Immigration activists urge Obama to act boldly

Latinos and immigration activists want the president to curb deportations and allow more immigrants to remain in the U.S.
Associated Press
Apr 15, 2014

Latinos and immigration activists are warning of political peril for President Barack Obama and Democrats in the fall election unless the president acts boldly and soon to curb deportations and allow more immigrants to remain legally in the U.S.

Many activists say Obama has been slow to grasp the emotions building within the Latino community as deportations near the 2 million mark for his administration and hopes for immigration legislation fade. With House Republicans unlikely to act on an overhaul, executive action by Obama is increasingly the activists' only hope.

"There is tremendous anger among core constituencies of the president and the Latino and Asian communities in particular," said Deepak Bhargava, executive director of the Center for Community Change, which champions immigration change. "He has a momentous choice to make."

Activists credit their sit-ins and hunger strikes for Obama directing new Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson to review the administration's deportations policy and suggest ways to make it more humane. Now they're focused on ensuring they get the outcome they want — an expansion of Obama's two-year-old policy allowing work permits for immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally as children who have been in school or the military.

The program has helped more than 600,000 people. Activists want it expanded to include more immigrants, such as those who have been in the U.S. for at least five years or who since their arrival have had children. Depending on how it's defined, that could help many millions more.

Obama has said he doesn't have the authority to take such a step without Congress. At a White House meeting with religious leaders Tuesday he emphasized he wouldn't act on his own while there still was a window for congressional action, participants said.

Republicans have warned that a unilateral move by Obama would end any possibility for cooperation on immigration legislation. A bill to improve border security and offer a path to citizenship for many of the 11.5 million immigrants here illegally remains stalled in the GOP-led House 10 months after passing the Senate.

But many activists say they've all but given up on Republicans and argue that Obama has the responsibility and authority to take expansive steps to legalize large segments of the population. They worry that Johnson's review will produce only small measures aimed at slowing deportations and improving procedures.

"At this point anything short of an affirmative administrative relief program for parents of U.S. citizens and Dreamers is not enough," said Lorella Praeli, director of advocacy at United We Dream, which represents immigrants brought here illegally as kids, known by their supporters as Dreamers. "The clock on Obama has run out."

Administration officials haven't tipped their hand on the timing or outcome of Johnson's review, though activists anticipate initial steps fairly soon. Peter Boogaard, spokesman for the Homeland Security Department, said the review will be completed expeditiously and the aim is to see "if there are areas where we can further align our enforcement policies with our goal of sound law enforcement practice."

Despite the complaints from activists, Republicans accuse the Obama administration of inflating its record on deportations by counting people removed as they're attempting to cross the border or shortly thereafter. In the 2013 fiscal year more than 60 percent of the nearly 370,000 deportations were of recent border crossers, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Immigration activists, meanwhile, say they feel betrayed by Obama, who was elected with strong Latino and Asian support in 2008. They complain his strategy of winning GOP cooperation by increasing enforcement has failed.

Cynthia Diaz, 18, participated in a six-day hunger strike outside the White House last week to protest her mother's detention. She pointed to Obama's promise to prioritize immigration reform.

"That's how he got the Latino vote, and now he just stabbed us in the back," Diaz said, adding she and others would think twice in the future before supporting the president and his party.

Democratic pollster Celinda Lake said recent polling shows a drop-off in enthusiasm among Latino voters. "Lack of progress on immigration is hurting our chances of getting these voters out to vote," Lake said

Immigrants' rights leaders say executive action by the president would energize Latino and Asian voters, as happened before the 2012 election when Obama deferred deportations for young immigrants. However, it also could mobilize conservative voters.

Frustration has spilled over onto some of Obama's allies in Congress. Protesters from California were arrested last week after swarming the offices of Democratic Reps. Loretta Sanchez and Xavier Becerra to push toward stronger action.

"We're doing everything that we can," Sanchez later complained. "So when they come and they pressure us it's almost like, 'Guys, we understand where you're coming from, but what we need to do is we need to get a vote out of" House Speaker John Boehner. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said activists were giving "a gift to the Republicans" by targeting Obama instead of the GOP.

Obama expressed a similar complaint at a meeting with immigration rights groups last month, asking officials present to give him 90 more days and meantime keep the focus on the GOP. Participants portrayed a president getting drawn reluctantly into contemplating executive action and focused, at least initially, on smaller steps that he told them would likely not satisfy them.

That meeting, and Obama's announcement of a review by Johnson, came shortly after Janet Murguia, head of the National Council of La Raza, labeled Obama "deporter in chief."

Now activists are waiting for Obama's next step.

"The pressure for sure is working, and I think the question is how bold are they ready to go," said Marielena Hincapie, executive director of the National Immigration Law Center. "The hard part is this is not a bold administration, and especially on immigration where the focus has been on legislation."

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Stop It

If you are in this country illegally, you have no first amendment rights.

STFU and like it.

JudgeMeNot

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coasterfan

And......it's your particular brand of Republican Intolerance that leads the vast majority of Latinos to vote Democrat. Such a stark difference between the two parties, isn't there? We Dems welcome any and all. We're an open, inclusive bunch. If I had to sum up Republicans in one word, it would be "haters".

Darwin's choice

You moron! What part of illegal do you wish to state here you agree with?

Go ahead, show everyone the azzhat you are!

JudgeMeNot

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Donegan

LOL! The most intolerant party in American history wants to point fingers. You welcome who votes for your party while keeping them in poverty, just look at Detroit and Chicago.

The Big Dog's back

And LA,(Lower Alabama), Mississippi, Louisiana, Oklahoma. All welfare states, and all Repub, right wingnut states.

Donegan

Cannot say anything good about your party so you point fingers. Typical for a hypocrite Dem.

The Big Dog's back

I've said it before, you just refuse to listen.

Stop It

I have my own POV and since it disagrees with yours, I'm automatically named a Republican? That shows tolerance?

KnuckleDragger

LOL. That's because idiots like coaster believe that helps them win the argument. He says the same about me, when the truth is, aside from Mitt Romney I hadn't voted for a Republican since Ronald Reagan. I am a Libertarian, and have been voting as such for years.

JudgeMeNot

Democrats need more victims because they can’t generate enough on their own.

wasthere

Because someone knows the meaning of the word "illegal" that makes them a republican? I think coasterfan has been sniffing the exhaust fumes from his Prius.

rbenn

Some acts of love by illegals, 42. Mexican national deported from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania after sexually assaulting a minor. The 43-year-old was arrested by U.S. authorities on charges relating to exploitation of a child. The victim was a 7-year-old girl.

41. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deports an El Salvadoran man suspected of kidnapping in his home country. The man was illegally in Penitas, Texas when he was captured by U.S. law enforcement.

40. Mexican Citizen Caught Allegedly Smuggling 140 lbs. of Pot 34-year-old Francisco Manuel Villa-Ruiz of Cananea, Sonora, Mexico allegedly attempted to smuggle 53 packages of marijuana weighing 139 pounds in his vehicle's back seat and quarter panels at an Arizona border crossing.

39. Pedestrian Foreign National Reportedly Caught with $15K in Meth An unnamed 40-year-old male was apprehended after reportedly attempting to walk through an Arizona border checkpoint with $15,000 in methamphetamine.

38. Mexican Septuagenarian Arrested with Nearly $200,000 in Coke, Heroin 70-year-old Andres Gamez-Garcia Cajeme, Sonora, Mexico was reportedly found with 14 packages of heroin and cocaine.

37. Mexican National Allegedly Busted with $165K in Meth 40-year-old Fernando Cejudo-Nevarez of Nogales, Sonora, Mexico was allegedly caught with 10 packages of methamphetamine at the Mariposa crossing in Arizona.

36. Mexican National Allegedly Caught Smuggling $81,000 in Narcotics into US A 20-year-old Mexican national was reportedly caught attempting to smuggle large quantities of drugs into southern California using vacuum-sealed bags hidden in his vehicle's fuel tank.

35. Guatemalan Arrested with $1.16 M in Drug Money in Arkansas A Guatemalan national was a member of a large international organization that imported cocaine into the United States and was described by U.S. authorities as ‘a trusted member’ who could ‘speak directly’ with the organization’s leader in Guatemala.

34. Washington State: Mexican National Ran US Front Company to Hide Cartel Meth Ring A Mexican national in the U.S. illegally was sentenced on Monday to ten years in prison for distributing methamphetamine and running a front group for Mexican cartels.

33. Thirty Days: Mexican Narco-Rings on US Soil in Alabama, Idaho, Oregon Three US states saw separate large, Mexican-led narcotics rings either busted, indicted, or sentenced in a thirty day period.

32. Four Mexican Nationals Sentenced as Part of Large Narco Operation in Idaho Illegal immigrants were charged and sentenced for operating a large narcotics ring in the Northern U.S.

31. State DOJ: Busts Reveal Unprecedented Cartel Presence in Oregon The Oregon Department of Justice confirmed the Mexican cartel presence in the state, and indicated that the presence was growing and overwhelming law enforcement efforts.

30. Mexican Cartel Kidnapped Man in US, Smuggled Across Border, Feared Dead Mexican cartel hitmen entered the U.S., kidnapped a man from the arms of his wife at his U.S. home by impersonating police, tortured him, then smuggled him from the U.S. into Mexico. They had the wrong person and the victim is now believed dead.

29. UN Warns: Mexican Border ‘Global Pathway’ to US for Illegals from Horn of Africa The United Nations warned that illegal immigrants were coming from the terror-prone Horn of Africa and crossing into the U.S. illegally by following the same paths Mexican nationals follow across the porous U.S./Mexico border.

28. Mexican Cartels Recruiting Assassins Among US Teens, Prison Gangs, Military Mexican cartels began coming to the U.S. to recruit assassins among American teens, prison gangs, and the U.S. military.

27. Illegal Convicted of Child Porn Might Not Be Deported Due to Immigration Reform An illegal immigrant ws incarcerated for downloading and viewing images of children engaged in sexual acts.

26. Source: Illegal Aliens from Mexico Increasing Assaults on Border Patrol Agents The number and frequency of illegal immigrants increased greatly since 2011.

25. Mexican Smuggler’s Wild Ride: Dragged Passenger, Rammed Border Patrol, Crashed in Ditch An illegal immigrant who has previous convictions for smuggling immigrants in the U.S., was seen loading illegal immigrants into the bed of a truck near the U.S./Mexico border in Laredo, Texas. The man attempted to escape by ramming the U.S. Border Patrol.

24. Female US National Park Ranger Attacked Near Mexican Border U.S. Park Ranger Karen Gonzales was found in a public restroom, unconscious and with a serious head injury. She had allegedly been beaten in the head by an illegal immigrant.

23. Chain-Link Fence Only Border Barrier at Site of Brutal Beating of FBI Agents Several illegal immigrants came into the U.S. and severely beat and maimed two FBI agents, one a woman. They fled back to Mexico and most were never prosecuted.

22. US Attorney’s Office Admits to Incorrectly Identifying Charges Against Illegal Alien A Mexican national ran a large-scale methamphetamine trafficking and possessed an illegal firearm--all on U.S. soil.

21. Mexican National Sentenced for Running Drug Ring in Wisconsin A Mexican national will serve 20 years in U.S. prison for conspiring to possess cocaine with the intent to distribute and for distribution of cocaine.

20. Previously Deported Illegal Alien Gets 20 Years on Meth, Gun Charges A Mexican national was sentenced for his part in an operation to distribute a large amount of methamphetamine and four other crimes: being a felon in possession of eight firearms, being an illegal alien in possession of a firearm, possession of firearms in furtherance of a drug trafficking crime, and illegal entry into the U.S. after having been previously deported.

19. DEA: Cartels Expanding US Territory, Meth/Heroin Smuggling The U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) stated that availability indicators reflected that the supply of Mexican methamphetamine was increasing in the United States. Price and purity data and increased methamphetamine flow across the Southwest Border indicated rising domestic availability, most of which is the result of high levels of methamphetamine production in Mexico by cartels.

18. Illegal Aliens Charged with Attacking Border Patrol Agent Two suspects, a Mexican national and the other an Ecuadoran national, allegedly attacked a U.S. Border Patrol agent. The Mexican national is also charged for allegedly illegally transporting migrants for personal financial gain.

17. Drug Trafficking Ring Operating Outside of Arizona Busted A man from Mexico came to the U.S. and was sentenced to 360 months in U.S. prison for his role in leading a cocaine trafficking organization across the U.S.

16. FBI Wiretap Disrupts Kidnap, Torture Plot by Mexican Cartel At least one of the three Mexican cartel members who entered the U.S. did so illegally in their plan to kidnap U.S. drug dealers, bring them back to Mexico, torture them, and then dissolve the victims' corpses in acid.

15. Corpse of Mexican National Found in US Near Border The corpse of a Mexican national illegally in the U.S. was found and had been severely tortured--a mark of Mexican drug cartels.

14. Illegal Alien Sex Offender to be Sent Home After Latest Illegal Entry An illegal immigrant from Mexico continuously re-entered the U.S. and later sexually assaulted a woman in Houston, Texas.

13. Crowd of 100 Illegal Aliens Attack US Border Patrol, Mexican Authorities Let Them Go A violent group of illegal immigrants attacked U.S. Border Patrol agents, crossed back into Mexico, and were allowed to walk free by Mexican Authorities.

12. Illegal Alien MS-13 Member Gets Life for US Murder Rampage An MS-13 leader (Sitios Locos Salvatruchas clique of La Mara Salvatrucha), was sentence to life in prison after his March 21, 2013 convictions for racketeering, racketeering conspiracy, murder, assault with dangerous weapons, and related firearms and conspiracy offenses--on U.S. soil.

11. 100% Increase in Previously-Deported Sex Offenders Returning from Mexico One sector of the U.S./Mexico border has seen a 100% increase in the number of illegal immigrants, previously deported for criminal sexual offenses, apprehended while attempting to illegally re-enter the United States.

10. Another Mexican National Sentenced for Murdering Border Patrol Agent An illegal immigrant who was on supervised release for smuggling human beings into the U.S. from Mexico helped lure, trap, and murder a U.S. Border Patrol agent on U.S. soil in an effort to steal night-vision goggles.

9. Graphic Images Justify Border Patrol’s Use of Deadly Force Against Rock Attacks Illegal aliens routinely cross into the U.S. from Mexico and assault U.S. Border Patrol agents with rocks and boulders.

8. Border Patrol Agent Attacked and Almost Shot by Illegal Immigrant An illegal immigrant punched a U.S. Border Patrol agent all over his body and repeatedly choked him. During the altercation, the agent's service pistol accidentally fired into the air twice.

7. Two Mexican Nationals Arrested for Running Alleged Stash House on TX Border – An alleged 90 illegal immigrants passed through a residence in one month. The home was operated by two Mexican nationals who were illegally in the U.S.

6. Texas: 50 Illegal Immigrant Convicted Criminals Arrested in Three Days Nine of the captured aliens had previously been deported from the United States. One of the illegal immigrants was a Mexican national arrested in San Antonio who was previously convicted of sex crimes involving a child.

5. Human Smuggler Jailed for Raping Illegal Immigrant An illegal immigrant from Guatemala was arrested and accused of raping a woman before and after they illegally crossed the U.S./Mexico border.

4. 27 Illegal Aliens Convicted on Child Sex Crimes Arrested Near Border The majority of the illegal immigrants arrested in this instance had committed sexual crimes and assaults against children. Various charges against the individuals included felony child sexual contact, lewd acts with a child, sexual exploitation of a child, and sexual assault of a child.”

3. Previously-Deported Illegal Alien Convicted of Child Human Trafficking An illegal immigrant operated a stash house in Houston, Texas containing two children and 24 others. The victims were held hostage in the underwear, occupying locked rooms with boards over the windows. Authorities described the living conditions in the home as ‘deplorable’."

2. Illegal Immigrant Allegedly Tried to Kill Texas Border Agent An illegal immigrant fought with a U.S. Border Patrol agent and allegedly attempted to take the agent's gun and kill him. The illegal immigrant allegedly attempted to choke the agent as well.

1. Mexican Cartel Assassin Confirmed 11 Kills on US Soil, Confessed to More Jose Manuel Martinez, a Mexican cartel assassin, had at least 11 confirmed kills. He is originally from Mexico but obtained legal status in the U.S.

Bluto

Damn reben , Your comment is almost longer then the article . I would read it but " Ain't Nobody Got Time For That " ; )))))

deertracker

LOL!

dontknowmuch

So you're saying its fine to welcome the lawbreakers with open arms. Typical Demmy response.

Bottom Line

Typical liberal logic. Conservatives don't support ILLEGALS who are helping to destroy this country and we're "intolerant." Of course.

Stop it is exactly right.

JudgeMeNot

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bucknut36

In 1986 Pres. Reagan signed an immigration reform bill that granted amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants. The program was meant to benefit employers looking for cheaper labor.

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The Hero Zone

What's interesting in your point is that above when they threaten to take their votes elsewhere...where will they take them? Even after amnesty Reagan nor any Republican after ever got a majority of that demographic to vote for them. I would suspect, if history is any indication, that no matter what happens the percentages for one party or the other will stay the same.

That's another issue one can muse or grumble over, but it is an interesting place to start looking at just what happens when laws along these lines are passed. Nothing seems to change at all.

KnuckleDragger

@Bucknut. To quote an often used Democrat phrase, "Quit living in the past." The situation is different today than in 1986.

The Big Dog's back

Reagan's amnesty was for the employers benefit for cheap labor.

There you go again

We have the Feds going after Americans trying to make a living (ie. Bundy) and turning their back to immigrants jumping our borders. Can't we just enforce all of our laws and not just the ones Obama wants to? Thanks a lot Government

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The Hero Zone

These are reasons we need term limits in Congress. It will be interesting to see what this rancher's story uncovers as there seem to be Reid-related fingerprints on land-grabs for sweetheart deals (one such was with a Chinese solar company I believe). How does he make his millions and live at the Ritz after all? Hmmm...

Bluto

Infowars is probably not the best source to be using , but I guess if you're Fox News you'll take that hook line and sinker . Hee hee .

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The Hero Zone

Is there anything in the infowars article (which laden with other references all tying together) that you disagree with or seems unreasonable?

Here's a few other sources and interesting articles:
"The Desert Tortoise, Harry Reid: Why the BLM wants Cliven Bundy's Ranch"
http://www.commdiginews.com/poli...

Now it's interesting to note that the desert tortoise is not an endangered species and in fact many are being euthanized by the government.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...

So nearby the Bundy grazing area we have a claim by the BLM that it is a protected area for a species that isn't endangered. Meanwhile we have a former Reid staffer who was put in charge of the BLM now making a grab for this land all while just miles away is one solar farm and I believe the groundbreaking of another. Both of these apparently don't impact the land any worse than grazing cattle? Funny how some projects are treated differently than others, especially when a certain Senator who's been in power for 30 years spearheads efforts and went to be a millionaire for his service in the Senate and whose family members often seem to also prosper under his rule.

While I respect your skepticism, I honestly think there is a lot more to this than is apparent. Why does the Federal government own 87% of the land in Nevada? Why were all the other ranchers bought out leaving Bundy to be the only one? I don't think it has to do with turtles as much as that is the claimed reason. How does this align with political interests that have been in power since the early '90s when this began?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/bl...

I honestly hate to say this, but I think we are reaching a boiling point in our country. Many of those in charge, I don't believe, are appreciative of the civil society which has thus far not broken into the same reactions we have witnessed in other countries around the world. But for how long? How long can we be told by people that "the conversation is over", that we must pass laws to see what's in them, that we will forever be stirred and distracted into a fervor by disingenuous numbers or the lack of questions offered whenever they even are?

Just in time to celebrate the recent lunar eclipse, I'll offer: http://youtu.be/4YlTUDnsWMo

The Big Dog's back

Dude, it's not his land. He stole it from you and me. If this was some Liberal, commie, pinko, you would want him tarred and feathered.

Donegan

The Dude stole your land Dog. Better go out there and sit in the desert to make it doesn't happen again. Please go hurry hurry.

Bluto

Bundy = tax evader , who doesn't recognize America . Militiamen , whom he surrounded himself with = bunch of pu$$ies who use women and children as shields .

downthemiddle

It is indeed a pity that Timothy Geitner is no longer the Secy. of Treasury.

Hero's comment about Reid will prove out to be true. It may not make the main street media, but it will be true nonetheless.

Darwin's choice

So tell us bluto, what about all the government employees that owe millions in taxes, what "status" do you give them?

And your blind allegience to harry reid is pathetic.

rbenn

Not too mention the 68 million in bonuses IRS employees are gonna get.

Bluto

That's easy . If they owe money then they need to pay what they owe , if not they are deadbeats just like Bundy . In Bundy's case though he was given plenty of opportunities to pay up . Hell , he was even given a discounted price for letting his cattle graze and he still snubbed them . All this has been going on for years and years . I suppose you think Harry Reid hatched this plan what ? 15 years ago ? I don't thinks so . I really don't care about Harry Reid anyway . If it were true and he legally obtains those lands , so what ? Doesn't change the fact that Bundy is a thief stealing what isn't his .

Darwin's choice

So,you agree they should be treated like bundy? Then why aren't the military jackboot thugs hauling their azzes off? Where's the armed thugs at their places of employment to collect these taxes?
Typical obamabot, and in step with obama and holder, selective prosecution! You rant about this "thief", yet the current administrations thieving, lies, and outright stomping on the Constitution doesn't get a blink of an eye?????? You are incredibly psathetic.

From another blog.....
"There are other questions raised about Reid’s involvement. Why did this assault become the #1 priority of government only days after a senior political advisor to Nevada Senator Harry Reid took over BLM? Coincidence?
Government appeared completely uninterested in backing down for days on end…and completely unconcerned with instigating a deadly confrontation like Waco or Ruby Ridge. Then suddenly Senator Reid’s involvement was brought up by conservative web sites across the Internet. INSTANTLY, out of the blue, within hours of Reid’s name being attached to the raid, the BLM decided to back down, pack up and walk away. Don’t you think that this timing was a tad too coincidental?"

The Big Dog's back

Typical right wingnut, facts just bounce off your head.

Bluto

What does Obama have to do with this ? He wasn't president when Bundy started this whole mess . The way I see it Bundy was given every chance and then some to pay what he owed . Hell , he could have let them graze on as much as they wanted if he had just paid the fees . Mr. Bundy dug his own hole by himself and now he wants to act like the one being wronged . This man doesn't recognize the Federal government , but without it none of us would be here today . The Native Americans have more right to these land then do some White ranchers . Would you support them if they road in and said they were taking back what is rightfully ours ? Or , even the Mexicans , because they were there before Bundy when this country was still young . Mr. Bundy , just pay up and stop freeloading .

Darwin's choice

Google this....

"It is important to note for the purpose of clarity that no formation of women and children in the front line actually took place."

Read more: http://benswann.com/truth-did-bu...
Follow us: @BenSwann_ on Twitter

So, where do you get your kool aid from bluto?

Bluto

When they approached the pens holding the cattle with their wives and children in tow towards armed officers and then boastfully threaten to put the women up front is EXACTLY what I seen and heard from the video . A bunch of cowards ready to sacrifice women and children for a deadbeat too cheap to pay what every other rancher in the area already pays . PATHETIC !

Darwin's choice

So, have an answer to my above post? Yes, I thought you wouldn't!

You may want to watch this, and learn something, about the BLM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t...

The Big Dog's back

Cliven Bundy supporters were planning to put women on the front lines in case the federal officers started shooting, Former Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack said Monday on Fox News’ “The Real Story.”

“We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front,” he said. “If they are going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.”

Mack and other organizers, reportedly armed, traveled to Nevada to support Bundy during his dispute with the Bureau of Land Management, which had seized hundreds of his cows grazing on Nevada-owned land. The standoff drew hundreds of states’ rights protesters, but ended peacefully Saturday when the BLM released the cattle to Bundy.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/1...

There ya go durwood. Now drone him.

Darwin's choice

Both of you harry thieving reid supporters should stop making biggers azzes out of yourselves! Incredible, that the truth is 'ol harry and his son have a huge land deal with China brewing, and Bundy is in the way. You fools are ignorant, but standard procedure for democrats. But, look, tortoises....! Must save them.....!

fools !

Donegan

You are all for killing citizens without trial so whats your problem? Some would say your a enemy of the state.

Darwin's choice

What are you talking about? Show me where I've ever said anything about killing someone without a trial!
I may be considered an enemy of the obama state.....I despise corruption, lies, and failure!

Donegan

Darwin the comment was pointed at Dog but was made later than yours so it was beneath. As with this post aimed towards you is will be indented under your comment.
In other words admitted wannabe citizen killer was the intended recipient of that post. Not you.

The Big Dog's back

He had his court date dummygen. HE LOST! Like I said, if it were a Liberal, commie, pinko, they would have sent a SWAT team in already.

The Big Dog's back

Typical right wingnut (bundy) wants something for nothing. Thief.

deertracker

EXACTLY!

dontknowmuch

Sounds like a closet Dem wanting all the free stuff he can gobble up

The Big Dog's back

Bundy had his trial and he lost. Time to drone him.

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The Hero Zone

Shame on you for that.

The Big Dog's back

Back in the old days , which you right wingnuts want to go back to, he would have been hanged for stealing land. This case, stealing from us. Shame on you.

Darwin's choice

You sure are sold on his being guilty of something, but obama,hillary and many others in the current administration have tons of fails and proof of it, and you turn a blind eye! Fool!

deertracker

Will you get off the Obama, Hillary noise? It's old and played out. Neither have ANYTING to do with this!!!!!

Darwin's choice

Sure deerturd...nothing to see there.....clingon.

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The Hero Zone

Excuse me, I am not calling for the remote murder of a citizen for peacefully protesting his government. I believe YOU wish to destroy this man via remote controlled plane, not me.

Ladies and gentlemen, is this an example of the modern Democrat? This mentality? Are there any Democrats on here who are willing to distance themselves from this sentimentality and desire to assassinate protesters to possible government overreaches/corruption? Please speak up and keep Big Dog from dragging your party into a close-minded, murderous lust.

Big Dog, why is it that you and others here constantly invoke the '50s, '60s etc. meanwhile I and others am actually looking at the present and hoping for the future recognizing just how far society has come. So don't you dare levy such a charge against myself and others who don't fit your convenient stereotypes.

Bluto

So now armed militia equates to peaceful protest ? This man had his day in court and lost . If the owner of the building in which you lease space doesn't get his rent what happens ? He comes in and shuts you down . What do you do ? Pay up ? Move out , or do you invite a bunch of thugs with guns over and continue to squat ?

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Were any shots fired? Was anyone injured, raped, or killed? Were any of the guns carried or brandished illegally? Seems rather peaceful.

Bluto

Come on , The only reason this ended peacefully was because the Federal officers defused the situation by standing down , because of the women and children present . I've heard the expression " Bringing a knife to a gun fight ..." but " Bringing a wife to a gun fight ..." ? Priceless !!!

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Are we talking about the ranchers or are you also taking the position of the racist white majority during the civil rights movement? The sentiment seems to be quite timeless. I guess black protesters should not have put the faces of women and children too to their cause? I can totally understand where you may think it hackneyed. Heck, I roll my eyes every time our President finds an anecdotal body or two to frame him in pictures for the newspaper. But even if it may seem lame it serves as a reminder that this isn't just a "man" thing. Everyone is affected.

Did you ridicule at all the Occupy movement because women and children were a part of that, too? Or even in the case of the President. Is it "priceless" of him to stage women and children with him when he signs a bill into law?

The Big Dog's back

hz, open your right wingnut eyes. This originally had nothing to do with being anti Gov. This man is a thief, stole land from us, lost his day in court rightfully so, and now wants to hide behind women and militias.

Like I try to tell people, there is no reasoning with right wingnuts. Facts bounce off their heads.

deertracker

Hero, I am a bit shocked at your posts. Aren't you a law abiding citizen? Would you use your wife and kids as a shield? Does the word entitlement come into play here?

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Entitlement to what? I am as law abiding as most everyone else. I have gotten tickets before. I also see protests such as this, Occupy, Tea Party rallies, or any other similar gathering as a great chance to discuss important issues about life, our government, and the priorities of our society. The ranchers killed nobody, weren't shooting in the air, or otherwise made a statement without the use of violence.

I can make my own points, but if others who are women or children stood by me as I did I wouldn't hide behind them but neither would I patronize them and tell them to go home and leave it to the "menfolk". But then again I'm not Cliven Bundy. I can only follow along with his protest and use the opportunity to ask questions and find out what's going on.

I think you'll notice that I post under my store's name. My store serves women and children aplenty. What I speak of here under this name must not only reflect my views but protect those of the people who come into the store. If you wonder why I seem defensive or as inquisitive as I am it is because I want something better for everyone regardless of religion, gender, political affiliation, etc.

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The Hero Zone

How did he steal land from "us" when his family had been homesteading and ranching on the land for a great many decades before the BLM was even a twinkle in a politician's eye? This issue is raising a discussion and awareness of things going on in our Federal government.

Can you answer the question of "Why does the Federal government own 87% of Nevada?" Let's follow that up by, "What is that giving 'us'?"

dontknowmuch

But its okay to welcome lawbreakers with open arms as if they deserve preferential treatment? Dog you're kind of a hypocrite

Bluto

The huge glaring difference to your example is GUNS . Even though some protest in the civil rights movement erupted into violence , violence itself was not condone by the likes of Martin Luther King Jr. . Yes , there were the more militant Black Panthers and others , but they were just as bad as these militiamen , and I wouldn't support their methods either . I also didn't condone the violence at Occupy Wall Street , but did support the peaceful efforts of that protest . If the militiamen had showed up without their guns and supported Mr.Bundy , I might have been impressed , and perhaps more sympathetic , but they didn't and I'm not .

Babo

Day in Court??? LOL. Do you really believe Bundy received a fair shake in a United States court room when the United States was his opponent? Yes he undoubtedly got his "day" in court but due process of law was likely nowhere to be found.

The Big Dog's back

If he doesn't like the United States then he needs to get out. Right now I consider him a domestic terrorist.

Donegan

Bloodthirsty tonight huh? Typical Democrat, If you cannot oppress them you want to kill them.

The Big Dog's back

I didn't see you speaking out when the cops were cracking heads at Occupy Wall Street.

deertracker

Of course not, that was "different". SMDH!!!!!

Donegan

I didn't see you labeling them domestic terrorist either.

dontknowmuch

+1

rbenn
downthemiddle

It is amazing to read the comments of people who I assume work and pay taxes, but don't comprehend that their taxes have been going up for decades to pay for the millions of illegals who have simply walked in to the US and flopped down an anchor baby. Every relative of that baby is now eligible for free food, medical. schooling thru college, on and on.

Now the democrats bait them in with more cradle to grave free stuff, just to buy their votes.

Tax revenue can no longer support basic services, like police and fire... and nobody seems to know why.

JudgeMeNot

Like.

The New World Czar

Giving amnesty to tens of millions... and then what, tens of millions more? Who is paying for this?

JudgeMeNot

Yes, more immigration means more Democratic votes cause the democrats know there is a huge erosion in thier own voting base. The added costs of more Spanish language schools, signs, text books etc. will be staggering.

PRESS 2 for English.

It will be interesting to see how blacks react to illegals elbowing them out of spaces in the entitlement lines.

Fromthe419

Pretty simple, apply for a visa and come here legally, otherwise when caught you have to go home.

downthemiddle

It is also interesting to read rather well written comments from people who have made it clear that they are very democrat/ pro obama, but are critical of things like illegal immigration and high taxes. These people do not seem stupid....

Whoever is telling them how to vote is VERY effective...

The Big Dog's back

Who are you referring to?

Darwin's choice

Why? Suddenly feeling stupid?

downthemiddle

Thanks

The Big Dog's back

Buzzzzzzz. Wrong answer.

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Josh31

If we kicked out all of the illegals, Norwalk, Willard, and the surrounding areas would assume near ghost town status.

The Big Dog's back

Ya'll were cheering when the cops were cracking heads at the Occupy Wall Street movement. And these people had no guns, didn't threaten to put women in front of them, and didn't steal land from you and me.

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The Hero Zone

Are you referring to the people who crapped on police cars (and many public places/parks), raped women in tents, dealt drugs, incited violence, or destroyed property? You mean the actual criminals who were within the movement and jeopardizing/distracting the peaceful protesters elsewhere?

How many ranchers raped people during the protest against BLM agents? Apparently none as no shots were fired nor heads cracked.

Donegan

To ease the tension of Dogs blood thirsting the cattle are no longer "Illegal" They are "undocumented" That should get him chilled out enough to try to give the cows voting rights along with healthcare.

The Big Dog's back

Your "news" channel advocates killing Americans (Dems) everyday.

Bluto

Why were no shots fired ? Because the authorities had the good sense to back down . The militiamen were itching to take this to the next level and willing to gamble the lives of their families in the process . I'm sure that those officers at that point had all the proof they needed to know that these guys are nut jobs . What happens next ? I guess we'll see when Mr. Bundy tries to take those cattle to market .

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The Hero Zone

Is this what you said? I'm just clarifying: "Why were no shots fired? Because the authorities had the good sense to back down. The blacks were itching to take this to the next level and willing to gamble the lives of their families in the process. I'm sure that those officers at that point had all the proof they needed to know that these guys are nut jobs. What happens next? I guess we'll see when black parents try to take their kids to school."

Bluto

This is not about protest against racism . We're talking about a man who is stealing from the federal government .

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The Hero Zone

What exactly is he stealing from the Federal government? This protest is doing an excellent job of (I hope) helping people shake the stars out of their eyes and begin to ask questions. I'm not contending he doesn't have judgments against him. In fact he even states that he owes $300k in grazing fees that haven't been paid in protest. Those details will get worked out especially now that there is such a huge spotlight on him and this issue.

What I contend is that this is an opportunity for us to ask our own questions of our representatives in high elected office. In this case: "Why is the Federal government spending $1,000,000+ to herd cattle from non-endangered species land instead of allowing a ranch that has existed for over 125 years continue its practice with a few hundred head of cattle instead of enforcing things like border security, help for the impoverished, etc.?"

"What is the Federal government doing with ownership over 87% of Nevada? Land that, perhaps, isn't as public as it seems?"

"Is there a connection, scheme, or some kind of unethical purpose to all of this especially considering that the BLM's chief came out of Senator Reid's office and this Senator has had questionable practices in the past?"

I think these are very reasonable questions but ones that may otherwise never have come to light. Are there any answers for these questions you can share? You stand up for just how immaculate our Federal government is here in this case. Do you know something we don't?

grumpy

I don't know enough about grazing laws, water rights, which I understand Bundy has on that land, what BLM is required to do under the law, regarding fences and water, which I understand they have not done, some law passed in 1976 putting "federal Land back to the states and the feds started to do so then stopped doing 5 years later. There is much I don't know enough about, but I do know that there is much that isn't understood by many posting here. It is not as one sided as some are trying to make it out to be.

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The Hero Zone

Agreed which is why I think that this issue is more of an "issue" because it raises so many questions along the lines you have pointed out. Real property, mineral/water rights, leases, fines, fees, taxes, bureaus, homesteading, etc. is a big ball of mixed up...something. But I think we'll get it figured out and see if any hands are in improper cookie jars. Unless Big Dog assassinates him first, I suppose?

The Big Dog's back

I called you from the getgo, a right wingnut.

The Big Dog's back

hz, go try and build something on someone else's property without their permission and then refuse to move and threaten the owner with a gun. See what happens.

Bluto

I don't have a problem with people questioning the federal government on it's intentions for said lands , but the Bundy situation started long before anyone even cared what the government was doing with it . I bet that if Bundy had just paid the fees no one would even care what happened out there , but now that it is convenient for the rightwings it has become an issue . Go figure . Heck , maybe they have aliens from outer space camped out there working on next gen. smartphones .

thinkagain

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Sun, 04/14/2013 - 5:21pm
“Try watching Ancient Aliens, you might learn something.”

The Big Dog's back

You're right pooh, you don't know squat.

The Big Dog's back

I have failed to see where you right wingnuts have called out your "news" network, We deceive, You believe fox, for egging these people on to shoot Gov workers.

The Big Dog's back

Remember when bill o'reilly put out a contract on Dr. Tiller?

Donegan

No I do not remember Bill O reilly doing that as i do not watch TV to get my news. You on the other hand seemed glued to the channel as that is all you can talk about. Do some research sometime, the entire internet and papers,news,and official documents are at your command. But that might require some work something i know your allergic to.
I do recall how Obama murdered a 16 year old American citizen with a drone without a trial though.

deertracker

Selective memory dummygan?

Donegan

Funny how your tolerance shows through with every post. I do not watch the MSM as it is owned and operated by the same jackwagons that own your god. Interesting how every liberal on the planet sets around and watches the channel they claim to hate.
BTW. I am selective, I choose my vote wisely unlike you who chooses leaders by race and not their accomplishments. That makes you a racist you know.

The Big Dog's back

Typical right wingnut, won't own up to anything, like watching faux news.

Donegan

I don't watch what you Obama worshipers like to watch, Seems like it makes you dumber.

Bluto

Because everyone knows that you can't put it on the internet if it isn't true . Hee ,hee !!

Bluto

How many children did W. murder for oil ?

Darwin's choice

You really like wearing your azz on your shoulders, don't you! Incredibly stupid!

Donegan

So you agreed with Bush killing kids, Why is it wrong for Bush to do it But OK for Obama? That trap of hypocrisy is a deep one and you must have dove in.
For your information I did not vote for Bush as he was a idiot that got us into the wars and started the patriot act, Then again i do not change my opinion of bad policy based upon the color of the guy in office either.

The Big Dog's back

You voted for bush and you know it. Own up to it and take some personal responsibility.

Donegan

It is comical that you try to put words and actions on me, Go watch fox news and continue to complain Dog.
BTW I vote third party and don't like Bush, He reminds me too much of Obama.

The Big Dog's back

http://www.newshounds.us/

NewsHounds
We watch Fox so you don't have to

dontknowmuch

And Dems are innocent ? They're notorious for the same kind of crap.

pntbutterandjelly

And illegal is still and always be illegal.

11.5 million illegals and 12 million outsourced jobs = millions of LEGAL WORKERS & the tax base they represent.

Illegal is still and always be illegal AND very costly for America in many, many ways.

The Oligarchs LOVE cheap labor. Better still for them is free labor.

Illegal labor = cheap labor = Oligarchs' benefiting.

*Oh...by the way....I am not a prejudiced person. I have an adopted Korean daughter, black friends, gay friends and dated a deaf girl. (Illegal is illegal even if you are Mexican, Democrat or Republican.) I AM prejudiced against hate, greed, stupidity and illegal acts.

pntbutterandjelly

If illegals are a good thing and should be pardoned (AGAIN) then why not just open the floodgates to every country in the entire world so they can all rush in? We have immigration rules for a reason. If those rules are abolished...then it becomes another matter.

Illegal is illegal. It's why we have laws. It's why we incarcerate thieves, murders and pedophiles.

Stop It

Illegal aliens was the topic. Dick wads got off the topic and created a different forum, but it was all good.

Illegal aliens have no rights and the BLM has say over 100% of all land in the USA. None of which were elected. ALL LAND in the USA. Private, gov't owed (which to me, is not public when an entity other than the public has the final say.)

Do we hold elections for bureaus to say what where when who and how they they steal from us? Obviously not. This is riotous behavior. It deserves the attention it gathered.

Stop It

I've also learned that dedicated Democrats are all for "droning" people they don't like. That IS good to know.

The Big Dog's back

More like people who have either committed acts of terrorism against us or are plotting to, i.e. bundy's bunch. Good golly if this guy was Black or a Muslim you would have dropped a nuke on him by now.

Donegan

Like the 16 Kid they droned with no trial? Yeah his only act of terrorism is he was related to someone. I wonder who your related to.

The Big Dog's back

Yep, the Muslim terrorists are much like the right wingnut domestic terrorists, they like putting their women and children in harms way. What kind of man would put his family intentionally in harms way? From your answers I already know.

Donegan

Still pointing fingers to distract from your murdering god huh? He..Murdered..A...16 year old...American ..Citizen...Without...Trial. Facts are facts.

pntbutterandjelly

Big Dog....your last post was funny AND correct. I might add too that if they were gay they would have also have been nuked. Its odd how "some" people want LAWS enacted/enforced when it's to their liking (anti-abortion, gay marriage, illegals, taxes) but when some gun-toting cattle rancher breaks existing laws...it's anti-American to penalize him. They'll come up with any idiotic and poorly fabricated rationalizations to prove their bass-akward views.
These people speak out of both sides of their mouths.

Illegal is illegal. Law breakers are lawbreakers.

Ps. Oh...by the way....I can post comments on any subject I want here. It is MY Free Speech Rights.

Donegan

Not if Dog and the other worshipers have their way, They want "Zones" For people that like to exercise that right.

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The Hero Zone

In fairness Donegan many of the "zones" are established so that people CAN express themselves without obstructing traffic or endangering others. Many places have them including college campuses or is the reason why groups need to apply for permits to assemble. It's also one reason we saw the group of Occupy protesters being pepper sprayed by a police officer (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ca...).

Dr. Information

The USA already has immigration laws. Why not enforce the ones we have.

Typical liberals, if the current law doesn't work, just add another one just like it because it makes them feel better when they sleep at night.

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"Logical Song"

When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful,
a miracle, oh it was beautiful, magical.
And all the birds in the trees, well they'd be singing so happily,
joyfully, playfully watching me.
But then they send me away to teach me how to be sensible,
logical, responsible, practical.
And they showed me a world where I could be so dependable,
clinical, intellectual, cynical.

There are times when all the world's asleep,
the questions run too deep
for such a simple man.
Won't you please, please tell me what we've learned
I know it sounds absurd
but please tell me who I am.

Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical,
liberal, fanatical, criminal.
Won't you sign up your name, we'd like to feel you're
acceptable, respecable, presentable, a vegtable!

At night, when all the world's asleep,
the questions run so deep
for such a simple man.
Won't you please, please tell me what we've learned
I know it sounds absurd
but please tell me who I am.

Dr. Information

We have immigration laws already. Enforce them.