U.S. prepares tough response for Russia over Ukraine

Russian President Vladimir Putin gives no indication that would heed the West's warnings
Associated Press
Mar 2, 2014

 

Western powers on Sunday prepared a tough response to Russia's military advance into Ukraine and warned that Moscow could face economic penalties, diplomatic isolation and bolstered allied defenses in Europe unless it retreated.

The crisis may prove to be a game-changer for President Barack Obama's national security policy, forcing him to give up his foreign policy shift to Asia and to maintain U.S. troop levels in Europe to limit Russia's reach.

The ill will and mistrust also could spill over on two other global security fronts — Syria and Iran — where Russia has been a necessary partner with the West.

Russian President Vladimir Putin gave no indication that would heed the West's warnings. Hundreds of armed men surrounded a Ukrainian military base in Crimea. In Kiev, Ukraine's capital, Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk alerted allies that "we are on the brink of disaster."

Secretary of State John Kerry said he has consulted with other world leaders and "every single one of them are prepared to go to the hilt in order to isolate Russia with respect to this invasion."

He was considering a stop in Kiev during his trip this coming week to Paris and Rome for discussions on Lebanon and Syria.

In Brussels, NATO's secretary-general, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, said Russia's actions have violated a U.N. charter. He said the alliance was re-evaluating its relationship with Russia.

"There are very serious repercussions that can flow out of this," Kerry said.

Beyond economic sanctions and visa bans, freezing Russian assets, and trade and investment penalties, Kerry said Moscow risks being booted out of the powerful Group of Eight group of world powers as payback for the military incursion.

Several senators also called for bolstered missile defense systems based in Poland and the Czech Republic.

Russia is "going to be inviting major difficulties for the long term," said Kerry. "The people of Ukraine will not sit still for this. They know how to fight."

Still, it was clear that few, if anyone, in the West were immediately prepared to respond to Putin with military force.

At the Vatican, Pope Francis used his traditional Sunday midday appearance in St. Peter's Square to urge world leaders to promote dialogue as a way of resolving the crisis in Ukraine.

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., discussing the potential of U.S. military strikes against Russian troops in Crimea, said, "I don't think anyone is advocating for that."

Rubio said it would be difficult to rein in Moscow. He said Putin has "made a cost-benefit analysis. He has weighed the costs of doing what he's done, and ... clearly he has concluded that the benefits far outweigh the costs. We need to endeavor to change that calculus."

As a starter, Rubio and fellow GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said the Obama administration should return to plans it abandoned in 2009 to place long-range missile interceptors and radar in Poland and the Czech Republic.

Russia believed the program was aimed at countering its own missiles and undermining its nuclear deterrent. The White House denied that, and has worked instead to place medium-range interceptors in Poland and Romania — aimed at stopping missiles from Iran and North Korea.

Experts said potential U.S. budget cuts to Army units based in Germany also could be slowed, or scrapped completely, to prevent a catastrophic erosion of stability and democracy from creeping across Europe.

The Pentagon is considering new reductions to Army units in Germany that already have been slashed under Obama. Currently, there are two Army brigades — up to 10,000 soldiers — based in Germany, where armored and infantry units have dug in since World War II. At the end of the Cold War, more than 200,000 American forces were stationed across Europe.

Damon Wilson, an Eastern European scholar, former diplomat and executive vice president of the Washington-based Atlantic Council think tank, said the U.S. must be ready to pour its efforts into Ukraine, even at the cost of policies and priorities elsewhere.

"We should be no longer deluded by the fact that Europe is a safe spot of stability and security, and not a security risk for the U.S.," Wilson said Sunday. He said that if Putin goes unchecked, it could result in war — the second one on NATO's borders.

The 3-year-old civil war in Syria is already a crisis for neighboring Turkey, a NATO member state. Ukraine is not a NATO member, but it borders four nations that are — Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania.

"This is the biggest challenge to Obama's presidency," Wilson said. "This is a pretty tectonic shift in our perception of European security."

Wilson said the White House may have to abandon the policy shift to Asia — its attempt to boost America's military, diplomatic and economic presence there — to refocus on Russia's threat.

He played down concerns that the new schism between Washington and Moscow will have an effect on the their efforts to end the war in Syria and limit Iran's nuclear program.

In Syria, Wilson said, Russia relied on a "bankrupt plan" in its failure to convince President Bashar Assad to embrace peace. "There's nothing happening there that's credible in a positive way,' he said.

With Iran, the bulk of negotiations already have been between the U.S. and Iran, said Wilson, who described Russia as mostly playing in the background.

Even so, officials said the U.S. and the West would not be able to roll over Russia on any number of global diplomatic or economic fronts.

Russia has made clear it is ready to provide weapons and military equipment to governments across the Mideast that have irked Washington. Russia's permanent seat on the U.N. Security Council gives it veto power over major world deliberations.

"The challenge is, we do need to have some kind of working relationship with Russia," Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., said Sunday. "And while we can impose these costs and take these steps, we've got to be mindful of the fact that they can impose their own costs on us."

Kerry appeared on CBS' "Face the Nation," ABC's "This Week" and NBC's "Meet the Press." Rubio was NBC, while Graham and Schiff were interviewed on CNN.

 

Comments

vikingOne

As the US plans to cut our military to pre ww2 size. whats the big O ganna do.. shake his fist, and yell at them... the whole world is laughing at us right now.

The Big Dog's back

No, the world's actually laughing at the right wingnuts.

Darwin's choice

Still needing wormed?

Obama is the laughing stock of the planet! Putin is playing him like a cheap banjo, and kerry may as well go play marbles while he's there. This administration is the "most transparent" alright, everyone sees right through it!

coasterfan

Uh...no. The actions of the last president (the war-mongering one) greatly ramped up hatred toward America. Anyone recall Bush getting a shoe thrown at him? It was specifically the hatred the rest of the world had towards Bush that resulted in the huge positive reception Obama received in Germany during the 2008 campaign. Obama has been far from perfect, but he is quite obviously a huge improvement in the area of foreign policy.

Darwin's choice

Obama failing.....!!

But keep shoveling your chit troll.

anthras

Re:"Obama received in Germany during the 2008 campaign"

Yea they had a free rock concert that was on stage prior to Obama how was the crowd the last time he was there without the free rock concert?

BabyMomma

Didn't Obama rip Romney apart when he askd about Russia? Made him sound foolish and naive to insinuate that Russia was more of a threat than Al-Quaida. Well I knew who the fool was then, and he's proving Romney right and making himself look like the r-tard I already knew he was.

anthras

Re."Anyone recall Bush getting a shoe thrown at him? It was specifically the hatred the rest of the world had towards Bush"

One person throws a shoe at Bush and you interpret that as the rest of the would hates him I must say that you have an imagination far beyond anyone that I know. Actually I do have relatives in Europe and I do know that they do not hate Bush.

Contango

Ask the Iraqi Kurds what they think of the U.S.

The Kurds are the largest group of indigenous people in the world without a homeland.

They HATED Saddam!

The Big Dog's back

So what.

vikingOne

yeah well im sure the people of the Czech Republic wish they had rifles to defend them selfs from the invading army..

Little Giant

An informed person would know that even with these cuts, the US will spend more than the next 10 countries combined.

coasterfan

That is correct, Little G. America spends more on defense than the next twelve (12) countries combined.

angrybird

Let them laugh, I'm laughing at you while you shake your hand with a closed fist! Forget that country we don't need a war.

Steve P

Lets punish Russia, make Obamacare mandatory for all Russians. If that's not enough, make Joe Biden their spokesperson, import Michelle's lunch program to their military and Hillary Clinton in charge of all Russian embassy security.

Darwin's choice

Oh my!!! That would start WWIII !! LMAO !!

coasterfan

Steve, I'm glad to hear that you can't really find any huge problems with the Obama years. The worst you could find is Healthcare for everyone, Joe Biden, a lunch program that encourages healthy eating and Hillary. It's likely that Russia would thank us for sending the things you suggested.

If you really want to punish them, why not send them the Bush years: two unfunded wars that add 4-6 trillion of debt, 7 million jobs lost and a huge recession?

Darwin's choice

When the obama memoirs are written, the book, like obama, will have no spine!

anthras

Re;"The worst you could find is Healthcare for everyone"

Cfan now that you again mentioned Obamacare maybe you will be kind enough to answer my questions to you on a previous blog,

Obama said there are 4 million signed up for health care and I am hoping that someone can tell me out of the 4 million how many have actually paid and have valid insurance? If they have valid insurance will their current dr. be covered under their plan ? How many of the persons gaining coverage did so via medicare paid for by the tax payers? Also if we hear about the 4 million signed up however how many have had their insurance cancelled? Which would be greater the number of persons that have obtained insurance or the number of persons that lost their insurance? Finally how many persons were full time employees that are now part time employees?

Peninsula Pundit

As a reminder, this article is about the Ukraine.

BabyMomma

To insure the uninsured, first we make the insured uninsured. Then we make the formally insured, pay more to get reinsured. Then we can insure the uninsured for free.

Steve P

clusterfan, Obie spent 8 billion on a failed stimulus and does nothing but destroy our military. Seems funny our intelligence didn't give us warning on what the Russians were planning, I forgot they are to busy spying on normal Americans under the leadership of the most open administration, aka regime in history.

Donegan

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn... Its weird that even Palin saw this coming.
I wonder if the old Campaigner and chief will Campaign against Putin, that's all he seems to know how to do.

The Big Dog's back

Did she see it from her porch?

coasterfan

If Palin saw anything, it would merely be an example of a blind mouse eventually finding the cheese.

Donegan

That blind mouse obviously knows more than your god. Too bad the pied piper leads his blind mice around without ever finding anything besides more lies and golf courses.

anthras

Re;"Did she see it from her porch?"

Sorry to disappoint you dog but she did not say that she stated that you could see Russia from Alaska and from an Alaskan island it can be seen just another main stream press fabrication. I do think that she did say that if Obama were elected president Russia would invade Ukraine.

Tuesday’s World News with Charles Gibson showed clips of an interview between Barbara Walters and Sarah Palin which will air on Friday’s 20/20. At one point, Walters seemed to allude to the fact that there is a misconception that Palin once claimed that “I can see Russia from my house,” during the 2008 campaign, as evidence of her foreign policy experience. But Walters did not clearly identify those words as part of the famous Saturday Night Live skit as they were uttered by Tina Fey playing Palin to parody what the Alaska governor had actually said in an interview with Gibson from September 2008

In a 2012 debate Romney expressed concerns about Russia and Obama said to Romney you said Russia not Al Qaeda not Russia in his usual smug tone of voice.

jacksonbrowne

I find it ironic that Obama calls Putin to warn him about Ukraine as we currently have our troops in Afghanistan. Though Obama didn't initiate Afghanistan he has certainly inflicted his share of pain on the people there.

coasterfan

If only Bush had handled Iraq and Afghanistan like Obama handled Syria. Here we are, several months later, and isn't it interesting that Republicans aren't giving Obama any credit for diffusing a volatile situation and keeping us out of war. Thank you Mr. Obama.

Clearly, sending a warning and/or trying diplomacy is the intelligent thing to try first. Sure beats the heck out of lying to Americans about non-existent WMDs, to justify getting us into another war, as the last guy did... And some idiot conservatives are actually calling Obama a warmonger? Talk about short memories...

anthras

Re."Obama handled Syria" I do think it was Putin that handled Syria.

coasterfan

My point being that with Obama at the helm, we dodged a bullet. If it were Bush, we'd be neck deep in Syria as of today.

rottnrog

WOW, we have a lot of Russia lovers here !!!

Darwin's choice

No, just tired of the failure in the white house.

"Putin is very capable. Obama is not.Putin rose to the top. Obama was placed at the top.Putin is decisive. Obama is flaccid.Putin is ruthless. Obama is an accomplished liar.Putin will act independently. Obama must have a system to manipulate.So, in a straight game of raw power, Putin will beat Obama every time."

Seems Sarah isn't the only one to forsee failure!

jacksonbrowne

Don't love Russia. I have always found it to be ironic that we, USA, sits here and tells the world what to do while we do the exact opposite.

Peninsula Pundit

Here we agree unanimously!

SamAdams

Obama didn't "diffuse" anything. Vladimir Putin "defused" it.

Darwin's choice

Full of chit again! Sending kerry? Maybe toplay marbles!

SamAdams

Obama warned Putin there would be "consequences" if Russia invaded Ukraine. And sure enough: Today Obama brought out the BIG guns and unfriended President Putin on Facebook.

In all seriousness, Vladimir Putin isn't the LEAST bit worried about what Barack Obama says. He already knows what kind of "leader" he's dealing with and is well aware he has zero cause for concern from that quarter. Say whatever else you will about Putin (and there's plenty), at least Russia's president is a MAN! (And one who actually appears to love his own country to boot.)

coasterfan

I always have to chuckle when conservatives imply that Obama doesn't care about America. Putin is an uncontrolled, impulsive warmonger with no regard for human rights, yet some Republicans actually appear to side with him. A good case could be made that THEY are the ones who don't love their country. When your hate for your own president is so huge that you instead show admiration for someone like Putin, in my mind you are anti-American.

We've already seen the GOP strategy: shoot first (and not always at the correct country) and consider consequences later. Bush's response to 9/11 can be best evaluated thusly: it was the same as if FDR would have invaded Mexico after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. In short, nobody is looking to you for strategy/advice, because your party really really stinks with foreign policy.

Darwin's choice

Can you possibly suck any more?

Peninsula Pundit

Why? Are you tired?
(I couldn't help myself.)

KnuckleDragger

LMAO! Putin a warmonger? Let's see how many wars has Putin been involved in since taking office? Hmmm?

Donegan

You may not realize this but the citizens of the US are the enemy that Obama is focusing on. He is shredding the constitution and you people are cheering it on. If this was any other politician other than your god you would be screaming. Face it you and those like you are hypocrites.

BabyMomma

How can you say he cares about this country? Do you honestly believe the crap you type on here. He is a no good bum and I hope he gets Kennedy'd. It would be a glorious day here in America

huronguy

I love the quote I read today from a politician. "Russian is playing chess and well America, we're playing marbles". So true. Obama is naive. Bush was too, just not as much so. Personally I think bush had good intentions it was dick Cheney that was the snake with so many ulterior motives.

BabyMomma

At least we don't have to worry about Biden being a snake. That guys too fu€kin stupid to tie his own shoes. They give him Velcro so he doesn't get stressed out.

coasterfan

I would agree with some of your comments, HG. What you see as naivety with Obama, I see as optimism - the hope that (through diplomacy) someone can get Putin to reconsider his course. With Putin, I don't see his actions as a chess game at all. He is simply a bully. And Obama is trying to avoid playing at all (i.e. doesn't want us to get involved in another war halfway across the world).

Bush wasn't naive. He was clueless. He never seemed to realize that he was a sock puppet while the truly evil Cheney ran the war effort.

Darwin's choice

All that obama could do is dance for putin like the ballerina he is!

And you should't talk of sock puppets, you're the top suck puppet on here.

You're "optimism" is seen by all others as stupidity!

obama/failure

KnuckleDragger

Don't waste your time Darwin. coasternut and big dogs behind would glorify their messiah if he was about to put a bullet in their heads. Neither one of them are capable of thinking for themselves.

BabyMomma

I actually believe that. They follow so blindly and there is always 30 people telling them they're idiots, and giving facts why he is a turd sandwich. But the same 3 retards always defend him, they never get any support from other commenters, just blindly say "whatever, whatever, best president ever, you just racist".

BabyMomma

I guess when the blunt of the people you got to vote for you don't have jobs and can't afford computers, but they got new Jordan's, they can't defend him. Or they're too stupid to use the internet. Or they're too heroined up to see straight. Or they're in prison. Bottom line, IF HE DID get voted back in, his supporters are too embarrassed to own up to it, or too busy selling their snap cards to defend coasterfag, queertracker, and Santown420.

sugar

Kerry is going to Ukraine, I'm sure he is going there to warn the Ukrainians about the great threat of climate change. This level of ineptness is stunning. Of all of the regimes failures this one could have the the most devastating consequences. I didn't think they could do anything more utterly stupid than obamacare. Pray.

Darwin's choice

Getting serious now......

to show Putin he means business, reports are that obama has courageously un-friended putin on facebook......

Steve P
BabyMomma

Exactly, Obama tried making him look foolish. Who's the fool now?

Contango

FYI: The U.S. moved tanks back into Germany this yr.

http://www.stripes.com/news/amer...

Kiev has appealed to NATO for help.

The Bosnian War raged for yrs. in the backyard of NATO and they did NOTHING until Pres. Clinton intervened.

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Economic sanctions? The Russians are laughing.

Pres. Obama reeks more of Neville Chamberlain than JFK.

“The single most important test of American foreign policy today is how we meet the challenge of imperialism, what we do to further man’s desire to be free.” – JFK, 1957

BTW: What EXACTLY is the Obama admin's foreign policy?

Bet it has 'something' to do with global warming.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/16/po...

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Some analysts predict no war before Oct.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/20...

Contango

Why did Pres. Obama attack Gaddafi in Libya?

Because NATO was too weak to launch an effective offense by itself.

(Italy and others relied on the importation of strategically important Libyan oil.)

Without the U.S. taking the lead to a forceful response to the Ukraine invasion, this goes nowhere until the Russian atrocities begin.

Crimea = The Sudetenland

"History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme." - Mark Twain

Peninsula Pundit

Thus far, the only real 'invasion' is when a duly elected parliament and president were overthrown by a mob who installed an unelected parliament and president.
The Crimea has been a Russian Naval Port, much like Gitmo, Subic Bay and any other number of US installations around the world, for decades. The US would certainly do the same thing Russia has in a similar situation.
Or are you advocating the Russians just let the Ukrainians board their vessels?
Be honest. The only thing we know about what is going on their is what the corporate media feeds us. I don't trust what I'm hearing at all.

Contango

Re: "Crimea,"

The Soviets gave it to Ukraine in 1954.

http://www.politifact.com/pundit...

Had a good chuckle over your nonsensical moral equivalency argument between the Russians and the U.S.

So Obama's aims should be no different than Putin's? Interesting.

Peninsula Pundit

Sure, 'Gave.'
OK.
Very many of the things Khrushchev did have since been undone.
Just as you would be delighted if many of the current administration plans to be undone.
See, the truth IS enjoyable once you admit you're wrong and stop fighting it.
Bottom Line is that we have no business there at all.
Let's keep our coin and soldiers out of it.
How can you disagree?

Contango

Re: "Let's keep our coin and soldiers out of it."

I would agree, BUT the U.S. IS a member of NATO.

So why did Pres. Obama get us involved in Libya, which was a NATO issue?

Why did Pres. Clinton get us involved in the Bosnian War, which was a NATO issue.

There are historical precedents which you are ignoring.

So if the Russians start slaughtering the Tartars and Ukrainians in Crimea, the world should look the other way?

Peninsula Pundit

Just to close this out with your own sentiments:
Obama did nothing right in Libya.
Clinton did nothing right in Serbia.
So now, faced with a similar situation, you want Obama to go in and do the wrong thing again.
Tango, I'm not making this up. This is the heart and soul of your debating technique.
The world has spent so much time 'looking the other way' they've got a crick in its' neck.
No coin or soldiers to the Ukraine.

The New World Czar

But, but, but, but...didn't President Obama declare the Cold War was over in 2012? He wouldn't mislead the American people, now would he?

Peninsula Pundit

Blah,blah, Obama.
Blah, blah, Bush.
I think we can all find common ground here by realizing we have no darn business in a backwater located on Russia's front door step.
You have rioters who overthrew a democratically elected parliament and president, installed their parliament without a vote and appointed a new president from their ranks.
It's best we just sit this one out.
We really don't have a god-given right to intervene in every dust-up that happens around the world.
We shouldn't be giving them American Taxpayer funds.
We shouldn't send our young people in there.
Doing absolutely nothing is exactly the course America should pursue.

Contango

FYI: The U.S. is part of NATO.

Kiev has requested NATO's help.

Russia has invaded Crimea.

?????

Peninsula Pundit

'NATO' just can't say 'No'?
Please address any further points keeping in mind the patent illegitimacy of the body that is asking for assistance:
A bunch of rioters who overthrew a duly elected parliament and president and inserted themselves without a vote of the people.
Now you say NATO should jump based on that?
I really don't think you believe that at all, if the past body of your posts on these boards have an legitimacy at all.
But as I have noted, lately I wonder about you.

Peninsula Pundit

I see here on the noon news that the UN is sending someone.
That may be a way forward, but again, without any US lead whatsoever.
There are lots of countries around the immediate area.
Let them get together and help their neighbor.

Contango

Re: "There are lots of countries around the immediate area."

AND they are members of NATO.

Contango

Re: "A bunch of rioters who overthrew a duly elected parliament and president and inserted themselves without a vote of the people."

A simplistic and wholly naive statement.

You might want to read the preamble to our Declaration of Independence.

You haven't really been following the events in Ukraine over the past few yrs. & more importantly months have you?

Typical dumbed-down, publicly educated American.

Steve P

Obama, the best president for the Russians.

http://youtu.be/4JpPU-SwcbE

KURTje

Blo- Contango blo, because you sure never did much else. Typical of most older Americans.

Contango

Re: " because (snip)"

lol

More off-topic nonsense. Blo on kookie.

grumpy

I wonder if this administration will follow through on its promises and treaties?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/...

Wonder if there are more things yet to be found that will effect this situation? I don't know enough to make much of a comment on this yet. But someone in the gov't should have known about this days if not weeks ago.

The Hero Zone's picture
The Hero Zone

About a half hour after spending three minutes effectively saying nothing about this he went to a fundraiser and declared it Democratic Happy Hour to raucous applause.

Contango

FYI:

I found this opinion of the 'mess' interesting:

http://www.bloombergview.com/art...

Potentially reminds me 'somewhat' of the "Phoney War":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pho...

pntbutterandjelly

Who was the U.S. president when Russia invaded Georgia? (Hint #1: He was the last president before Barack), (Hint #2: His first name starts with a "G"), (Hint #3: His last name starts with a "B"), (Hint #4: He was a Republican), (Hint #5: he was a two term president),(Hint #6: He didn't do so well with Putin's Georgian invasion)
Give up?

sugar

PB&J I thought your slogan was forward? Can't move forward if your always looking behind.
Now moving into 2014; Did anyone hear kerry today? What a blistering moron, he actually believes he is so "evolved" that he can spew around his "evolved" rhetoric and Putin will "evolve" with the most highly "evolved" people ever, the obamaites. LMFAO.... The hubris these people display is downright dangerous.

pntbutterandjelly

Sugar; Apparently my point went way over your head. That is, "Before the Far Right begins to throw mud (and gasoline) on Barack...they should look in the mirror at other past performances." "To date, they have not really offered anything different because they know there is truly little that can be done."

grumpy

Yes it is always a good thing to point to a failed President to show that this failed President could do no better than the last failed President. Good debating tactic.

It is generally better to compare your guy to someone who succeeded rather than to compare your guy to someone who failed. Will you be comparing obama to carter soon?

pntbutterandjelly

Dear Grumpbutt; Please reread my entire post to see if you can decipher its real objective. If you still have trouble, please ask me and I'll try to explain it for you.
Your friend,
PB$J

grumpy

What part of this post was not to show bush did it too, and did it first. Do you think it is OK to fail in the same way as another failed president?

Who was the U.S. president when Russia invaded Georgia? (Hint #1: He was the last president before Barack), (Hint #2: His first name starts with a "G"), (Hint #3: His last name starts with a "B"), (Hint #4: He was a Republican), (Hint #5: he was a two term president),(Hint #6: He didn't do so well with Putin's Georgian invasion)
Give up?

Love and kisses,
grumpy

The Big Dog's back

Could do what Raygun did, cut and run. (Lebanon)

pntbutterandjelly

I say, "Give them Crimea and let it go at that."

Contango

Re: "Give them Crimea,"

Believe that it is fait accompli and we "gave" the Russians nothing - they 'took' it.

Let's see what the Russians do in Eastern Ukraine.

The mkts. beat 'em up pretty bad financially.

grumpy

Does the US and England follow through on the treaty signed by Bill Clinton? Does a treaty mean anything anymore? Just asking. It does complicate things a bit if you believe that treaties mean something more than just a piece of paper and a picture for the public.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...

The two Western powers signed an agreement with Ukraine in 1994, which Kiev's parliament wants enforcing now. The Budapest Memorandum, signed by Bill Clinton, John Major, Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kuchma – the then-rulers of the USA, UK, Russia and Ukraine – promises to uphold the territorial integrity of Ukraine, in return for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons.

pntbutterandjelly

What treaties did we honor with the Native Americans?

grumpy

It is always a good idea to show bad behavior to excuse further bad behavior. It has worked for children for generations... till they grow up and become adults... or at least some folks grow up and other just make excuses. All the while some fools wonder why other countries don't trust this administration. This is an example of how they reason out their policies. The US did this a hundred fifty years ago what can you expect us to do? Keep our signed pledges?

Contango

Re: "What treaties (snip)"

An attempted use of a red herring.

Different circumstances, different times; two incompatible cultures.

pntbutterandjelly

You all don't need to worry about the Russians. It's the "lead by the wallet Far-right Americans" that worry me most.

Contango

Re: "You all don't need to worry about the Russians,"

With obviously too much time on his hands, just a couple days ago Secy. of State Kerry said that global warming is a big threat:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/16/po...

What EXACTLY is the Obama admin. stated foreign policy????

pntbutterandjelly

Contango is a situation where the futures price (or forward price) of a commodity is higher than the expected spot price

Contango

As opposed to backwardation.

http://www.investopedia.com/term...

Yes, I know.

KURTje

And the blo-ing......just keeps on coming. (Like CKLW; & the hits, ...just keep on coming)