Primaries offer first major test of voter ID laws

Citizens in 10 states required to show a photo identification before voting
Associated Press
Mar 1, 2014

In elections that begin next week, voters in 10 states will be required to present photo identification before casting ballots — the first major test of voter ID laws after years of legal challenges arguing that the measures are designed to suppress voting.

The first election is March 4 in Texas, followed by nine other primaries running through early September that will set the ballot for the midterm elections in November, when voters decide competitive races for governor and control of Congress.

The primaries will be closely watched by both sides of the voter ID debate, which intensified in 2011, the year after Republicans swept to power in dozens of statehouses.

For months, election workers have been preparing new voting procedures, while party activists and political groups seek ID cards for voters who do not have them.

The debut of the new laws in a few smaller-scale elections over the last year has already exposed some problems, such as mismatched names, confusion over absentee voting provisions and rules that require voters to travel great distances to obtain proper documentation. In one case, voters had no recourse if their credentials were challenged.

"Unless people are paying attention, and a lot of them aren't, they don't even know this law exists," said Brian Schoenman, secretary of the elections board in Fairfax County, Va., a Washington, D.C., suburb.

Supporters of the measures, mostly Republican conservatives, contend the ID checks protect against fraudulent voting and thus help build trust in government. Critics see them as a way of discouraging the kind of voters who lack picture IDs and might be more likely to support Democrats.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2008 that states can require voters to produce photo ID at the polls without violating their constitutional rights. And last year, the high court threw out a key part of the landmark Voting Rights Act, a decision that allowed voter ID laws to take effect in states where voting procedures had been under strict federal oversight for nearly 50 years.

Georgia and Indiana adopted some of the first voter ID laws. This year, in addition to the Texas law, new or stricter photo-identification voting laws take effect in Alabama, Arkansas, Mississippi, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Tennessee and Virginia.

Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have approved similar action, but those measures are on hold because of court challenges. In Mississippi, black lawmakers have asked Attorney General Eric Holder to block their state's law.

When Arkansas held a special legislative election in January, dozens of mail-in absentee votes were thrown out after voters failed to include a copy of their photo ID with their ballot. The Arkansas law, passed over Democratic Gov. Mike Beebe's veto, did not address absentee voting, and the GOP-controlled Legislature is not expected to take it up during the 2014 session.

The law allows voters without photo ID to cast a provisional ballot, but the ballot will not be counted unless they show identification by the Monday after the election.

"This is in no way an effort to suppress any valid vote," said GOP state Rep. Andy Mayberry, who supported the law. "It's a measure to help secure the credibility of our elections."

Arkansas voters will have two important races to decide this year. Sen. Mark Pryor, a Democrat, is expected to face an aggressive challenge from Republican Rep. Tom Cotton. A competitive contest for governor is also unfolding, with Republican former Rep. Asa Hutchinson likely to run against Democrat Mike Ross.

The higher-than-normal turnout expected for the midterm election will only compound the problems that emerged during the January election, according to Craighead County Election Commission Chairman Scott McDaniel, a Democrat.

"I foresee a great number, an unacceptable number of absentee voters to be disenfranchised because of this whole deal, and I don't like it," McDaniel said.

Virginia could be particularly confusing. Majority Republicans enacted a law requiring proof of identification, but no photo, in 2012. Last year, they amended the law to require photo ID to vote but set the effective date for the new law as July 1.

Virginia's primary is June 10, when voters will not be required to present a photo. But in November, they will.

"What I'm worried about is you've got a good number of communities of elderly, and foreign-born citizens who speak different languages," Schoenman said. "And we'll only have four months to get ready."

The state has about 330,000 more registered voters than licensed drivers, which is why minority Democrats last week unsuccessfully sought $250,000 to pay for the photo ID cards voters must have by November.

Democrats will be seeking to safeguard every potential vote. Last year's attorney general race was decided by 11 votes. This fall, the Senate seat held by Democrat Mark Warner is on the ballot, and the GOP needs to gain only six seats to claim the majority.

In Texas, as many as 600,000 voters could be prevented from having their ballots counted because of the state's newly enacted photo ID law, according to officials with Battleground Texas, a Democratic-leaning group aimed at helping register new voters.

One third of Texas' 254 counties do not have Department of Public Safety stations that can provide the cards. That means voters without proper identification have to drive more than 200 miles to get a card, provided they have the proper documentation, such as a birth certificate.

Still, state GOP Chairman Steve Munisteri said few problems popped up with the law during last year's election, a low-turnout affair that included constitutional changes but only drew about 10 percent of the electorate.

"The law has already been tested and performed quite well. I see no reason for concern," Munisteri said.

The 10 percent were devout voters, well aware of the new requirements, said Dana DeBeauvoir, election commissioner in Travis County, which includes Austin.

"This was not a population that needs extra support," she said. "Where we're going to see the problem is in November."

The Brennan Center for Justice at New York University is suing Texas and states with similar laws, but it's not clear whether the lawsuits will be decided by November.

"We have shown already that these laws correlate with places that had demographic changes that currently favor Democrats," said Wendy Weiser, director of the Brennan Institute's Democracy program. "When you look at these things together, what's going on is discrimination."

 

Comments

jacksonbrowne

Every day, rich & poor, need an id for one reason or another and this should be no different.

Bottom Line

And that really should be end if story right there.

JudgeMeNot

Libers are butt-hurt over getting ID cards. How typical of the bunch of race card pullers.

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Simple Enough II

+1

The Big Dog's back

Jim Crow making a comeback.

deertracker

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeee's BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JudgeMeNot

Awww, the poor people who cannot get an ID card. Boo-f%^&in-hoo.

SamAdams

Wow, look at Big Dog suggesting that black people are too stupid, too ignorant, or too irresponsible to get photo IDs. Because that's what you're saying, isn't it, buddy? That Voter ID laws suppress the black vote?

Drivers licenses and passports are obvious forms of photo ID. But not everybody drives, and certainly not everybody needs a passport. For those folks, there's the handy dandy State ID card. Which, as it happens, is available for FREE for those who can't afford to pay for it.

I suppose there's something to the idea that anybody who doesn't get themselves a photo ID, especially when one is required for myriad transactions in today's world, really IS stupid, ignorant, or irresponsible. But I'm pretty sure that's not limited by race!

The Big Dog's back

So poor people should have to go 200 miles to get an ID? Really sam?

Contango

Re: "poor people,"

So how do these 'hypothetical' "poor people" prove their identity currently to cash a check, drive, et. al?

jacksonbrowne

Go to the food pantry? Need ID. Apply for Snap card? Need ID. Buying booze? Stores can ID. Doggiedo stop playing the "people can't get id's" card as it is getting old. If they truly want to vote and don't have an ID they will find a way to get one.

Contango

Good points!

Elk Grove Village, IL, city ordinance:

EVERYONE regardless of age MUST show an ID to purchase alcohol.

Is the act of voting less important?

deertracker

Happy White History Month Sham and jackassbrowne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JudgeMeNot

Libertards butt-hurt over an ID card. Hillaryous.

coasterfan

Sam: No, that's not what Big Dog is saying. It's a personal lack-of-money issue. How this actually tends to play out is this: you'll have an old, infirm minority voter who lives in poverty on the southeast end of a city in poverty. They don't own a car and, due to continued GOP cuts to food stamps and other services they need to just get by day to day, they have zero money for anything extra. They suddenly learn that they need to purchase a government-issued ID, and that the only place they can get one is at a government office on the far end of town.

Instantly, it's a much bigger challenge for them to vote. They have to find money for public transportation to/from their residence, and often, there IS no public transportation from their area. And...they have to choose between eating dinner OR using that money for an ID.

And all for what? To prevent the almost non-existent problem of voter fraud. I recently read that the verified number of Ohio cases of actual voter fraud in the 2012 election was in single digits. No matter, say gerrymandered GOP politicians. They got what they wanted: the disenfranchising of thousands of lower-income minority voters.

Republicans often insist that they are NOT anti-minority or anti-poor or anti-gay. Actions speak louder than words, of course, and when they push through legislation that is obviously targeted at those groups, their thinly veiled excuses are exposed for all to see. They're enacting policies that adversely affect minorities because they know that minorities don't vote for their candidates.

Further proof of the above are the Ohio GOP's attempts to make it harder for Ohioans to participate in early voting and vote via absentee ballots. When a party blatantly does things to make it HARDER for people to vote, it SHOULD be a concern to all Ohioans.

Contango

Re: "It's a lack-of-money issue."

lol

Say it ain't so!

A progressive-socialist writing that there isn't enough money?

How about taxpayer funded govt. programs to get people FREE photo IDs?

Wait....there are.

So here's a govt. program that you don't like????

Say it ain't so!

jacksonbrowne

Yet they can get to the store to purchase items with their Snap card and the food pantry right coaster?

deertracker

Who's they?

Contango

Re: "Who's they?"

Correction: Who 'are' they?

deertracker

You got me pooh! BTW, Happy White History Month!

jacksonbrowne

The individuals that coaster claims to be to poor that can't even afford to go get an ID. Read all of his previous posts and you will find your answer.

ladydye_5

" old, infirm minority voter who lives in poverty on the southeast end of a city in poverty" How, did this person get the food stamps? How do they get to the store to use the food stamps?

The Big Dog's back

In the mail and pay to have groceries delivered.

ladydye_5

To APPLY to GET the food stamps you APPLY IN PERSON IN AN OFFICE WITH ID and all your income, social security card, address, bills, etc. You do not send it in the mail like a credit card offer. And as for PAYING to have them delivered??? Thought they were broke and poor??? DUH?

deertracker

The benefits are added to the card electronically. The bus, a friend, taxi, is a possible form of transportation.

jacksonbrowne

Well they can use the same forms of transportation to get to the voting booth.

deertracker

I agree! ID?

ladydye_5

To receive the benefits at all you first need to apply to get them, correct. To do this you need to go to an office and APPLY IN PERSON, with all your income, your ID, your social security car, your bills, your address, your "pertinent" information. They do not do that electronically or by mail!!!

jacksonbrowne

Amen.

deertracker

Was that what you were asking? Why do you assume every voter gets assistance?

ladydye_5

I quoted coasterfan. My comment was posted on a comment/thread about food stamps. I do not assume every voter gets assistance, that is just plain dumb. I do not get assistance. My father does not get assistance. My neighbor does not receive assistance. I did not know it was so hard for YOU to follow along.

jacksonbrowne

Lady, he has eaten to many deernuts and is a little wacky.

deertracker

I followed you just fine. Problem is this is not about foodstamps.

ladydye_5

No, it is not about foodstamps. But I was commenting about something that was posted about it. If you can find a ride to apply for the friggin foodstamps and you have an ID to apply for the d @ m n things you should be able to have the ability to VOTE. QUIT with the excuses. I need to provide an ID to vote, you can too! Quit whining about it.

JudgeMeNot

So why make it out to be just that deer poo?

Simple Enough II

So you are saying that the person you gave an example of never possessed or had the opportunity to attain a any form of ID? I just find that really odd.

jacksonbrowne

The argument that is being made by the ACLU and their ilk is that this is predominantly discriminatory against those that are poor and also racist.

I think the point myself and some others on here are trying to make is that if you really want to vote bad enough you will find a way to make it happen. This would be no different than the situations many face on a daily basis. Cashing checks, flying, purchase of alcohol, driving, obtaining Snap card all require id's. Many jobs now require id swipe cards. The use of ID cards is all around us. It is ridiculous, IMO, not to require an id when selecting people to the position of power they would be in.

ladydye_5

It was NOT my example. But yes. I too find it odd that someone would never have had an ID.

Contango

So 'disenfranchised' voters can get their *sses to the polls, but it's too difficult for them to secure a 'free' photo ID within a three yr. period?

coasterfan

Contango: Voting locations are within 1/2 mile of most voters. That's within walking distance if you live within city limits, as do most of the voters Republicans are trying so hard to disenfranchise. The gov't offices where IDs are available can be 20-30 miles away - NOT within walking distance.

Can I assume, Mr. Complete-Lack-of-Empathy-For-People-Less-Fortunate-Than-He, that you'll offer your services to help transport those who have no way to get to the locations where IDs are available?

In other countries, Election Day is a national holiday, to assure that everyone can get to the polls. In America, we have one political party that does everything they can to assure that all Americans CANNOT vote.

Contango

Re: "Voting (snip)"

I know you'll find this hard to believe but; I'm NOT going to take your word on this.

Got some stats or a link?

BTW: In some countries, e.g Australia, voting is mandatory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Com...

As an authoritarian Statist, how would you feel about that being the law in the U.S.?

deertracker

I wish it was!

mikeylikesit

that seems to be the case..

Dr. Information

Liberals support lazy people, hasn't anyone figured that out yet

coasterfan

Nope: Liberals support people who are unable to help themselves, either through age, infirmity or poverty. We don't point fingers, we just help.

Conservatives don't want to help anyone but themselves, and have zero empathy for others less fortunate. Hasn't anyone figured that out, yet?

JudgeMeNot

Cry me a river.

The Big Dog's back

Boy you right wingnuts sure like Gov laws and regulations when it applies to someone you hate.

deertracker

You got that right!

Dr. Information

Hate? This is about voting numbnuts.

huronguy

If it was a free food stamp card, a Cadillac or a white girl or a free weave and get your nails done free day they'd find a way to get 200 miles anywhere anytime

coasterfan

It's sad to see that racism and ignorance are still alike and kicking in America, in people like Huronguy. Like Ted Nugent, he is an embarrassment to most Americans.

The reality: the states with the largest number of food-stamp recipients are states in the south who vote overwhelmingly Republican. The biggest taker: Texas. In other words, the states who pay the least into public assistance programs are the ones who TAKE the most from those programs. Reality #2: more than half of food stamp recipients are white folks.

JudgeMeNot

IT is sad and you keep promoting it with your unintelligent comments.

deertracker

@hurineguy
White people drive Cadillacs, use food stamps, get their nails done and wear hair extensions. NEXT! Happy White History MONTH!

JudgeMeNot

White people also worked to get their Cadillacs, get their nails done and wear hair extensions. Hurray for White History MONTH.

BabyMomma

Lol

JMOP

Nothing wrong with showing eligibility to vote. It protects all political parties.

The Big Dog's back

So, would you right wingnuts be OK with paying for voter ID stations in every neighborhood? And for shut ins paying to go to their houses?

Contango

Re: "So, (snip)"

lol

Now you've moved off into Bizarro World.

Do you need to go outside and piddle, derpy?

coasterfan

Of COURSE they wouldn't want to pay for it. The GOP is only in favor of UNfunded mandates, like No Child Left Behind, and unfunded wars like Iraq and Afghanistan.

deertracker

Don't forget about Medicare Part D!

Contango

Re: "Of COURSE (snip)"

lol

No need to be so smug & sanctimonious.

With $17T in fed debt (and climbing), plus hundreds of trillions of dollars in potential unfunded liabilities from earned and unearned entitlement programs; looks like there's A LOT of bi-partisan finger pointing to be had.

The Hero Zone's picture
The Hero Zone

I believe that locally every wingnut of flavor and variety "pay for" the ability to pay $1 (ONE DOLLAR) to ride a shuttle to various places around town/county. In addition I would find it hard to imagine that if I contacted the Erie County Democratic Party that someone couldn't come to my house to help me get my ID to vote. Don't Democrats want me to vote if I reached out to them with some kind of inability?

I wonder which other organizations can be reached for assistance? Churches? Civic clubs such as Lions? I wonder if the Board of Elections can be reached and be able to answer questions based on all the of extreme, fantastic circumstances we are applying to hypothetical people who may very well not exist?

The Big Dog's back

The right to vote was originally White privilege. It took a lot of blood, sweat and tears to get the right to vote for everyone. Now the neanderthal, knuckle draggers want to go backward.

JMOP

It was originally a white mans privilege (landowner's I believe), then the black mans, then women.

Bottom Line

Why are you libs so dead set on running this country further into the ground each day? Why do you always have to make it about race? You just HAVE to have something to b*&ch about.

coasterfan

Gotta love when conservatives enact policies that adversely affect minorities, and when Democrats point out that obvious discrimination, conservatives like Bottom accuse us of bringing race into the discussion.

Rolls eyes...

Bottom Line

Because you make EVERY article about race. You have constant double standards. Your arguments contradict your other arguements. That's why 98% of the people on here know you are a pathetic racist! You hate white people! You need ID to do all these other things, why should voting be any different??? You're acting like it's oh so difficult and demanding for "your" people to obtain and it's clearly not.

And last time I checked there was black history month and Hispanic heritage month etc. But I can't find a white history month on the calendar.

deertracker

It's you Cons that are ruining things!

grumpy

Last time I looked any place that issues a drivers license in Ohio (and since these are state issued ID's) can issue a state ID with picture. Where is it that there isn't a place to get a drivers license more that is more 20 miles away, let alone less than 200. And most rural areas, most folks travel more than 1/2 mine to vote. Some are even more than 10 miles. But then exaggeration is expected when politics is in the discussion. Most folks who are infirm, or destitute are on some form of assistance and have to prove their identity so a free state issued id would be a thing they would need. The political system needs to evolve and modernize. doing things like they did 100 years ago is hardly "progressive". It is old fashioned. Welcome to the 21st century. Try to get out of the 19th century where folks knew all their neighbors for miles around. Modern folks move more often than they did in the 19th century.

The Big Dog's back

Did you read the article pooh?

deertracker

Happy White History Month pooh jr.!

grumpy

Re: "Did you read the article pooh?"

As previously stated several times, piddles. When you answer either Hero Zone's or my next half dozen questions I will answer your questions. I am tired of answering your questions when you don't answer mine.

Have a nice day piddle puppy.

The Big Dog's back

Was there a question in that rant of yours?

Contango

Do you need to go outside to piddle AGAIN, lil' fella?

grumpy

Re: "Was there a question in that rant of yours?"

You must not have the ability to either read or know enough grammar to know that. I am not surprised. As I stated before I will answer your questions after you answer HZ's or my next half dozen questions. I am tried of answering your questions when you don't answer any.

The Big Dog's back

What's the matter poor pooh, can't read? AHAHAHAHAHA.

grumpy

Already told you I won't answer your questions till you answer HZ's or my next half dozen questions. I am tired of answering yours while getting no answers from you.

Darwin's choice

The "democrat voter" base foundation is in jeopardy! Look at all the rats scurrying to prop up their constituents! "We need to protect our phony baloney jobs..." From a good democrat!
I guess all those "illegals" not voting have you nervous coasterfail!

deertracker

Happy White History Month Dagwood!

Darwin's choice

Thank You, Casper!

deertracker

You are welcome Buckwheat!

grumpy

Quote from above article. Pretty much answers whatever disagreement there is.

"The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2008 that states can require voters to produce photo ID at the polls without violating their constitutional rights."

Others opinions are meaningless after SCOTUS has ruled. They can jump up and down and flap their jaws all they want, it won't change facts, SCOTUS has made their ruling and chance that they will hear another case on this for decades... little to none.

If state issued picture ID is passed by the State government, it will be pretty much what some folks like to call such things... the law of the land. Much like the same sex marriage, or at least striking down part of the defense of marriage act (passed by a dim majority in both the house and senate and signed by Clinton) and other things that some folks disagree with. Once it gets ruled on by SCOTUS the argument is pretty much meaningless.

The Big Dog's back

SCOTUS ruled abortion is legal. Might want to remind those southern states (Confederacy)of that.

grumpy

Are you now claiming that there are no abortions in any southern states? I would like to see your proof of such a statement. Sounds like deflection to me. Please show any state that has a current law making it illegal to get an abortion that Roe v Wade allowed.

I don't know how showing an Id to vote has to do with getting an abortion, but somewhere in piddle puppies brain there is a connection.

The Big Dog's back

THREE days after the Arkansas House of Representatives passed the Human Heartbeat Protection Act, Jason Rapert, the freshman state senator who sponsored the bill, took to Twitter to boast that the new law “stands to save thousands of lives”. Its chances of doing so, however, depend first on surviving a court challenge. The law, which passed on March 6th, bans abortions after 12 weeks of pregnancy—the age by which an ultrasound examination can usually detect a fetal heartbeat—except to save the life of the mother and in pregnancies resulting from rape or incest.

This directly contravenes the Supreme Court’s 1973 ruling in Roe v Wade, which held that the right to privacy—which it had earlier found in the Fourteenth Amendment and “in the penumbras of the Bill of Rights”—effectively set the date at which a fetus can survive outside its mother as the point at which states have the power to ban abortions outright. Mike Beebe, the governor of Arkansas, vetoed the bill for just this reason, though the legislature overrode his veto. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), its Arkansas chapter and the Centre for Reproductive Rights, an abortion-rights advocacy group, have vowed to file suit shortly.

Now what pooh?

grumpy

Quote from me:
"Please show any state that has a current law making it illegal to get an abortion that Roe v Wade allowed."

From piddles:
"Human Heartbeat Protection Act"

Then, once more from piddles:
"Now what?"

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LITTLE ROCK, Ark., May 17 (UPI) -- A federal judge has blocked enforcement of an Arkansas law restricting abortion because it may violate a woman's constitutional right to terminate a pregnancy.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2...

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2...

What part of "Please show me any state that has a CURRENT LAW making it illegal to get an abortion that Roe v Wade allowed" is beyiond your understanding? The one you mentioned was overturned, by a federal judge, thus it is not a CURRENT law. You really have a reading comprehension problem. I think you may need profesional help as this is far from the first time you have not understood simple sentences.

I still don't understand what anything on abortion has to do with showing your ID to vote. I just think piddles is trying to defect after he saw he is losing the discussion.

The Big Dog's back

Always moving the goalposts pooh. I provide what you asked for and you move the goalpost.

grumpy

My earlier quote:

"Please show any state that has a current law making it illegal to get an abortion that Roe v Wade allowed. "

As stated in my earlier post CURRENT LAW. I did not move any goalpost. You did not show a current law. Not my problem that you either don't know what current law means or you have no reading comprehension.

I can show where booze is illegal, and women can't vote, and that requiring picture ID's to vote is unconstitutional (to keep this post minimally about the article) ... but those also aren't current laws. Booze is legal, women can vote, and picture ID's can be required to vote. Abortions are legal in Arkansas, and everywhere else in the US. Poor, poor piddles... shot down again.

The Big Dog's back

Always trying to hijack a thread for your warped mind. Please come back and say I did.

Contango

Re: "Always trying to hijack a thread for your warped mind."

LMAO!!!

And you DON'T EVER toddle off into Bizarro World????

THANKS FOR THE LAUGH, Cupcake!

That quote has been securely placed in my brutus archives.

The Big Dog's back

You forgot to change your name to grumpy. AHAHAHAHA. Caught again.

Contango

Re: "change,"

Wholly different writing style. It ain't me and never was Bizzaro. :)

The Big Dog's back

Hurry up and post under grumpy. OOOOOOPS!

The Big Dog's back

Or steve p.

Contango

Nope again.

Do you need to be let outside to piddle, derpy?

The Big Dog's back

pooh is in meltdown mode.

grumpy

Re: meltdown mode."

Reads like piddles is seeing conspiracies against him on a newspaper blog.

I bet he forgot his meds this morning or his monthly perscription hasn't been filled yet.

Steve P

piddle, deerdong, off the track coaster, 2008 U.S. Supreme Court Crawford vs Marion County Board of Elections, majority decision written by liberal Justice John Paul Stevens upheld voter ID law. Piddle should take deerdong and off the track coaster for one of his golf cart rides....

gilamonster

Seems you libtards understand abortion rights regarding the constitution but have no trouble abolishing the second amendment.

Your arguments against showing ID to vote are a joke, regardless of party affiliations. This is clearly about letting anyone from illegals to dead people vote.

Your so called “disenfranchised” voters have no trouble providing ID when it comes to receiving assistance. I see the democrats felt it was ok when they failed to uphold the Overseas Voter Empowerment Act? In 2008 less than 20% of 2.5 million military voters successfully voted by absentee ballot.

They have issues getting transportation to the voting booth? They sure can make it to any supermarket on the first of the month. (And no I am not against welfare as a means of help; not something to live off of) Better yet, have ACORN drive them there. When they get to the polls they can be greeted by a thug sporting a Kangol beret, dollar store sunglasses, and carrying a night stick. They can get a sticker “I voted today; with the New Black Panther Party”

Just recently in Texas, a group that supports democrat candidiates; Battleground Texas worker Jennifer Longoria admitting that her group uses voters’ phone numbers — protected under Texas’ privacy laws — to turn out like-minded voters on Election Day.

KURTje

While small in number, some Amish & Mennonite vote. This for them could prove interesting.

Dr. Information

Nearly all of them drive, requiring an ID. Try again.

mikeylikesit

maybe it will curtail the two time voters. if not, it should stop the dead ones from voting..

JMOP

It should. I'm a registered Republican, when I'm dead, I'm sure I will be a democrat, unfortunately.

Simple Enough II

+1

Simple Enough II

I've had concerns about a person voting more than once, voting as someone else, convicted felons voting (who have not had that right restored), Non citizens voting etc. I would like my vote to actually count. I would also like the Churches to stay out of this process by not using the pulpit to tell voters to vote one way or another, want to do that maybe they should lose their tax exemption status.

Contango

Re: "tax exemption status."

It of course depends on which political party they are promoting:

http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blo...

Eliminate the 16th Amend. and the "tax status" issue would be greatly reduced.

Remember: Tax laws are used for societal engineering, NOT just for the collection of revenue.

pntbutterandjelly

Is "voter fraud" so extensive that we need additional proof of identity? How much will all THIS new paperwork going to cost the taxpayers on a "per illegal vote"? No matter how you slice it...this is voter suppression. (I wonder what the Far Right will come up with next. Oh. Wait! Next will come legislation so anyone, anywhere getting public aid is disqualified from voting. Then, it will be anyone over 60 years old. Why stop there>>>>make it illegal for the gay community to vote. While they are at it....they may as well just appoint themselves into office. Problem is, they will still complain amongst themselves!)

Contango

Re: "Next will come legislation so anyone, anywhere getting public aid is disqualified from voting." "over 60 years old" "gay community"

An absurd argument. NO ONE has or is suggesting any of the kind.

"over 60 years old"? Seniors tend to vote conservative don't they?

JMOP

Yes, I've noticed most of the left seem to be very theatrical.

Contango

Surprised that they haven't tied the issue into causing global warming with all that increased ID production. :)

pntbutterandjelly

Is "voter fraud" so extensive that we need additional proof of identity? How much will all THIS new paperwork going to cost the taxpayers on a "per illegal vote"? {So much for monetary restraints and NO more legislation!}No matter how you slice it...this is voter suppression. (I wonder what the Far Right will come up with next. Oh. Wait! Next will come legislation so anyone, anywhere getting public aid is disqualified from voting. Then, it will be anyone over 60 years old. Why stop there>>>>make it illegal for the gay community to vote. While they are at it....they may as well just appoint themselves into office. Problem is, they will still complain amongst themselves!) "If you can't win on policy.....CHEAT!

grumpy

Re: "How much will all THIS new paperwork going to cost the taxpayers"

Don't know, but since the vast majority of people have picture ID of some kind and the BMV issues these ID's anyway... I can't see how it would be much. Perhaps if you are really curious you would look up what the cost of a state issued, picture Id would be. I'm not interested enough to do so. I guess you aren't either since you haven't done so.

I do know when I opened my first bank account I didn't need an ID birth certificate or anything but a SS card. Nowadays I need a picture Id and more. I used to be able to buy cigarettes without an ID, get a post office box, and many things without an ID. Now I need that ID to do those things. Now we need one to vote in some states, and the Supreme Court has said it is Constitutional for states to do so. Welcome to the 21st century. You can try to keep things as they were or you can evolve with the times.

Contango

Re: "first bank account,"

Good points.

Reminds me: Refied two yrs ago.

The mortgage co., along with stacks of additional paperwork ordered by the DC bureaucrats gave us a MAJOR financial proctology exam.

Why they even took our IDs and photocopied 'em!

The Big Dog's back

So glad you right wingnuts love regulations.

JudgeMeNot

Libers are butt-hurt over getting ID cards. How typical of the bunch of race card pullers.

pntbutterandjelly

SCOTUS also passed Citizens United. (And of course...I'm sure all you Far Righters were in favor of that.) (???)

Nor'easter

Go to Job & Family Service, you need a photo ID plus a document proving your current address. Go to a food pantry,
need photo ID plus document proving you live in Erie County. Getting to vote only requires a photo ID. Go figure.

Dr. Information

NO ID NO VOTE. Very simple. Stop the excuses.

8ballinthesidepocket

Consider the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured but not every citizen needs to prove they are a citizen? That requires a citizen to prove who they are in order to buy Sudafed, but not require proof of who they are to vote. To require proof of who they are in order to purchase booze and liquor, but no proof required to vote. What is wrong with this picture? Or is voting less important than Sudafed or Camels?

pntbutterandjelly

And the % of "voter fraud" was how much???