Who is your favorite U.S. President?

Barack Obama, George W. Bush or one of the other 42?
Luke Wark
Feb 17, 2014

 Abraham Lincoln, also known by some as Fred Priebe, tells tales of the nation's 16th-president's life during a school presentation to the Immaculate Conception School in Port Clinton on Tuesday, February 11, 2014.

Do you have a favorite president this President's Day? Tell us who and why in the comments below

Comments

Contango

Geo. Washingon.

Wthout him helping to bridge the political divides between the Northern and Southern colonies, this country would most likely have never come into being.

On the other hand, if he saw the current political state of affairs in DC, he might very well wonder why we even bothered to fight a war in order to throw off the yoke of oppression only to gain another of our own making.

Horace Mann

If we are oppressed, it's because The People's government has been co-opted and corrupted by money.

Horace Mann

Who is your LEAST favorite U.S. President? REPLY HERE.

Licorice Schtick

Dubya Bush. Nothing personal, but worst ever.

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All of them...

'A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years.'
~ Lysander Spooner

Nor'easter

Obummer.

pntbutterandjelly

Bush(wacker)

Contango

Re: "LEAST favorite U.S. President?"

Give ya a TWO-fer back-to-back: LBJ & Nixon.

Haven't trusted govt. since.

Horace Mann

Who is your MOST OVERRATED or UNDER APPRECIATED U.S. President? REPLY HERE.

Factitious

Harding always gets terrible ratings because he was a weak leader who couldn't keep his own administration out of scandal, so the good things he was able to do, thanks to his pragmatism, get overlooked. He was a victim of his own party's corrupt politics.

hometownboy

He also had an affair in the White House...in a broom closet with a lady by the name of Nan Britton. He also had another one whose silence was bought by the RNC.

Factitious

Wikipedia has an exhaustive entry on rankings of U.S. Presidents. When 17 different polls are aggregated, the top five are Lincoln, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Washington, Jefferson, and Theodore Roosevelt, in that order. Only 2 of the 17 rated Washington #1, for all the rest it was either Lincoln (9) or FDR (6).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/His...

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Contango

Re: "corrupted by money."

Sophomoric answer.

Better complain to Fed Chair Yellen about the liquidity trap.

Licorice Schtick

Pompous gasbag answer

From the Grave

This is a trick question, right?

Left Sandtown

Mine was Ben Franklin-without him we might not have light.

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Hahaha Ben Franklin was never a president. Its a good bet though if you bet a person they can't tell you what president is on a $100 bill.

beepx22

Please be sarcasm. If not change your name to Left Grade-school

Licorice Schtick

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet...

Dr. Information

George Washington. We have progressively gotten worse as the years have gone on presidentially speaking.

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That doesn't say much for even G. Washington... Following that logic, we may as well go all the way back to John Hanson (1782) under the Articles of Confederation, but that being said the Articles didn't give the executive enough power to do any real damage. I say it's not the president that's the problem, it's the CONstitution itself that's useless. It either allows for this type of government OR it's powerless to do anything about it.

Pterocarya frax...

Oh no you didn't just go there!!! Conservative minds are just going to explode!

Like the username, btw.

Licorice Schtick

I think WinTangoTarianPayer would be good. Is this guy lampooning himself, or is someone else doing it? Help me out here!

Babo

He's playing with himself.

tk

Franklin D. Roosevelt. His policies brought us out of the great depression.

Contango

Re: "His policies brought us out of the great depression."

WWII and the aftermath ended the economic depression in the U.S.

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Not true... I that's the case then explain why the dollar has done nothing but loose value since 1913?
Gas hasn't gone up in 'price' since 1963, it's the buying power of that useless green paper in your pocket that keeps going down.
Thank you Federal Reserve...

tk

Excuse me Contango but I believe we are all entitled to our opinion.

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FDR was nothing but a tool for the Military Industrial Complex... How's that for opinion.

hometownboy

I believe that there are a list of tools...a long one at that... I think we can even add Hoover to that list as well. . . and not for the depression... how about how the military (lead by MacArthur) steam rolled him with regards to treatment of the Bonus Army?

Contango

Re: "opinion."

True. But that's all it is.

The facts:

After WWII, most of the developed world was in economic shambles. Only the U.S.' remained intact.

Selling goods and services to the rest of the world ultimately brought the U.S. out of it's economic malaise.

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The Myth of US Prosperity During World War II

In my previous article, I laid out why war is not good for an economy generally. Yet, while many people admit that the resources used to fight the Vietnam War or either of the U.S. wars on Iraq could have been put to better use, they still have an almost romantic view of how good World War II was for the U.S. economy. I promised in my previous article to delve further into that issue.

The main reason most people, including economists, think that the U.S. entry into WWII was good for the economy is that they compare the economy during the war with the economy during the Great Depression, which began in 1929 and lasted until the U.S. entered into war. On its face, this reasoning is plausible. The U.S. was officially at war from Dec. 8, 1941, with its declaration of war on Japan, until Sept. 2, 1945, with the surrender of Japan's government. So, the unemployment rate for 1941, since it includes only three weeks of war, can be taken as an indicator of prewar peacetime unemployment. That rate averaged 9.9 percent for all of 1941. Unemployment fell dramatically throughout the war, reaching a low of 1.2 percent by 1944. Also, between 1941 and 1944 – the peak year of wartime spending – real gross national product rose by 37 percent. In short, World War II reduced unemployment and raised GNP; ergo, World War II was good for the U.S. economy. So goes the reasoning.

But let's look more carefully at those numbers, beginning with the unemployment rate. The U.S. government imposed military conscription in 1940 and got the draft machinery moving early in 1942. Between 1940 and 1944, the size of the military increased by almost 11 million people. Of the 16 million people who were in uniform at some time during World War II, fully 10 million were conscripted. (For more on this, see Robert Higgs, "Wartime Prosperity? A Reassessment of the U.S. Economy in the 1940s.") In other words, they had "jobs" because the alternative was jail. And many of the 6 million who volunteered were what military manpower economists call "draft-induced." One can hardly judge people to be better off, based on their having jobs, if they were forced into these jobs. The only way economists have, or anyone has, to figure out whether someone is better off having a job than being unemployed is to know that the person chose the job. But conscription is the antithesis of choice. And to put all this in numerical perspective, the civilian labor force during World War II was only 54 to 56 million. It's not hard to reduce unemployment by almost 7 million people if you use conscription to raise the size of the armed forces by almost 11 million people.

Still, didn't gross national product increase? Yes, but during World War II, GNP became a meaningless measure because of price controls and war production. Take price controls. Please. When the U.S. government entered the war, it did what many governments do – imposed price controls on a vast array of goods and put itself at the front of the line for those goods. Then it rationed what was left to the general population. The government imposed price controls on virtually all goods used in the war effort – gasoline, rubber, nylon, food and, through the draft, manpower. So when we look at the incomes of consumers and consider what they were able to buy with those incomes, we get an overstatement. Sure, it's great to be able to buy things cheap – if they're available. But price controls and rationing made them unavailable. It's like the old butcher joke:

Customer: How much is your filet mignon?

Butcher: Nine dollars a pound.

Customer: That's outrageous. I can go across the street and buy it for six dollars a pound.

Butcher: Then why don't you buy it across the street?

Customer: He doesn't have any.

Butcher: When I don't have any, I sell it at five dollars a pound.

I think about my parents in this context. The main stories they told me about privation were not about the depression preceding the war, but of the rationing of sugar and meat during the war. They were in Canada, but conditions were similar there, both before and during the war. One thing that stands out is a Feb. 4, 1945, entry in their guest book – just four months after their October 1944 wedding – in which a couple invited for dinner gave a complete listing of everything they'd eaten that weekend, presumably using up my parents' ration coupons for the week. The highlights: bacon, eggs, meat loaf, and cake. Why comment with that degree of detail if it wasn't special?

Probably more important, though, is the way the GNP figures distort in the area of war production. As economic historian Robert Higgs points out, the U.S. essentially had a command economy during World War II. Had he wanted to be less polite but equally accurate, he could have said that the U.S. had a fascist economy. The essence of fascism, as an economic system, is government dictation of what is produced, along with nominal private ownership. The 38 percent1 of GNP that the federal government spent on war in fiscal year 1945 (from July 1, 1944, to June 30, 1945) actually understates the expenditure. The reason goes back to price controls. By putting itself in line for all the goodies, the government paid low prices. But because these prices were artificially low due to price controls, the goods were valued artificially low. It is highly likely that the government truly spent more than 40 percent of GNP on war that year.

But this spending on war still counts as GNP, doesn't it? Yes, in the sense that the government defined it that way. But not in the sense of being production that Americans valued for its usefulness in consumption or investment. All of those expenditures that went for guns, trucks, airplanes, tanks, gasoline, ships, uniforms, and labor were expenditures that were destroyed. Not just the goods, but even the millions of labor hours, were used up without creating value to consumers. It's true that they might have created value by saving America from invasion. Whatever your view on that possibility, that's a separate issue. The point is that it's not prosperity to produce things that government quickly destroys. So, if we factor out this 38 percent, we're left with virtually no increase in real gross national product per capita between 1940 and the last fiscal year of the war.

It's actually worse than that. Despite various policies of Franklin Roosevelt that extended the Great Depression, the economy was coming out of the Depression in the prewar years. The unemployment rate, which had reached 24.9 percent in 1933, the worst year of the Great Depression, had fallen to 17.2 percent in 1939, 14.6 percent in 1940, and, as mentioned, 9.9 percent in 1941. Relatively-free-market economies, as the U.S. economy was, even after eight years of FDR, tend to recover from recessions and depressions as businesses find valuable uses for previously unused resources. The odds are high, therefore, that the unemployment rate would have continued to fall, absent U.S. participation in World War II, possibly reaching as low as 6 or 7 percent by 1944. This means that GNP per person, properly measured to reflect consumers' values, would have been well above its actual level in 1944. Whatever the value of U.S. participation in the war, for Americans' standard of living, World War II was a bust.

Licorice Schtick

When you copied to paste, you missed,

Copyright © 2006 by David R. Henderson. Requests for permission to reprint should be directed to the author or Antiwar.com.

http://antiwar.com/henderson/?ar...

PLEASE learn to provide links.

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Most people don't want to dig any deeper... +2 points to you good sir. I would have given you =3 points but you just copy/pasted into google yourself. Still, good on ya for doing the leg work. That's more than I can say for %90 of the people posting on the SR comment section.

Licorice Schtick

Hmm. The pomposity has a familiar ring. Dinged for using Google. Wonder how he would you have done it?

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"Requests for permission to reprint should be directed to the author or Antiwar.com."

I didn't know that the comment section of a backwater cesspool's local newspaper was considered "reprinting"

Licorice Schtick

Your excretions are not improving the water quality here.

Contango

Re: "war is not good for an economy generally,"

John M. Keynes disagreed.

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Keynes was a status quo idiot... Google: "Ludwig von Mises" and prepare to finally understand economics.

Contango

No doubt about it: War increases aggregate demand.

No need to Google, when I've read several of his books; including "Socialism" and "The Causes of the Economic Crisis."

coasterfan

Nah... the New Deal policies had taken effect for several years before WWII, although the war did help the improvement continue.

themomx6

Ronald Reagan

Licorice Schtick

Reagan was diefied by the oligarchs for making them richer with tax cuts that made a shambles of the budget. Nice guy, mediocre President, completely overrated, especially as the "great communicator. Clinton was a better at that.

coasterfan

Agree with Licorice. We Democrats cannot begin to understand why anyone would deify Reagan. His policies greatly expanded the chasm between the haves and have-nots, the deficit ballooned under him, and his Iran Contra scandal was one of the top 3 political scandals in America over the past 30 years. Like Bush II after him, America continued to suffer AFTER he left office because of things he did while he was in office.

SamAdams

Thomas Jefferson. George Washington set the stage, and a better man probably doesn't exist. But Thomas Jefferson refined the stage. He made more mistakes than Washington, but his general outlook included great imagination for the future.

For the record, he, too, would be gravely disappointed in what little is left of his legacy.

deertracker

I don't have one!

OMGNEWS

good old Ben Franklin huh lol. Clarify what number prez was he agian? I dont recall. Wonder how many people think he was a president.

Left Sandtown

My bad Daily News,I meant Edison!

Little Giant

Sandtown may have left Sandusky but he kept his Sandusky Public Schools education.

santown419

This coming from a little girl.

The Big Dog's back

Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Licorice Schtick

Thumbs up!

slappymcgee

Lincoln, for destroying slavery and defeating traitors

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You went to public school didn't you? That's cute, I bet you think Washington cut down a cherry tree too.

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"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races — that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."
~ Abe Lincoln - Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858

pntbutterandjelly

One of the last things Abraham Lincoln had on his list of accomplishments was the freeing of slaves(That may have been, at one point in time, due to his friends owning slaves or his lack of interest at any level in that debate.)as he was at last forced to bring it up to help win enough popularity to continue the war to its bloody end. What he actually did accomplish was to take powers away from the states and centralized it into the Feds realm of authority. "That" was the beginning of the end to "United States". He knew...without the Southern states...the U.S. as a whole would be much weaker. That's NOT to say that freeing of the salves was in and of itself was wrong. But again...it wasn't his intent in the beginning.

badboy

This is so funny, Just like Leno's "Jay-Walking".

Dinghy Gal

Ronald Regan

thinkagain

I’m torn between President Lincoln and President Ra-ghoratreii.

SanduskyNow

Mine is Alexander Hamilton

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Aaron Burr was the best Vice President because he shot and killed Hamilton. If only they could have had the duel BEFORE the ratification of the CONstitution we might actually be free instead of being told we're free.

SamAdams

Money troubles at the federal level? Duh. Who's to blame? Lots of folks. But the FIRST man to blame is: Hamilton.

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We can thank Hamilton for just about every oppressive, statist situation that resulted in "We The People" being coerced into trading essential liberty for temporary security.

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Andrew Jackson was a nasty SOB, the only president before the 21st century with more blood on his hands is Abe Lincoln. But he did have a redeeming quality in the fact that he "Killed the Bank" and that was his life's proudest moment. He said as much on his deathbed...
Bottom line is everything that has to do with the CONstitution is the biggest lie ever sold to the American sovereign. That includes every president since 1789 and the usurpation of the Articles of the Confederation.

grumpy

Jackson was also the last President who paid off the National Debt. Few since haven't deficit spent, but he paid the whole thing off.

Licorice Schtick

Jackson is despicable for his key role in the genocide of Native Americans of the Southeast. The shame, still festering, is shared by this entire great country, but no one could have done more to prevent the Trail Of Tears.

Contango

Re: "Jackson,"

Looking at History while using current morality and recency will only lead to ignorance.

One must view the times as best as possible through their eyes.

Not saying that it was right, but one needs to understand their reasoning.

For one: Indian and Western cultures were wholly incompatible.

Easy to sit here in the 21st Century and judge.

Cliff Cannon

@ Contango : I about swallowed my tongue, remembering our prior " Jacksonain " debates as I read your commentary. Remembering, of course, that , I had attempted to say the same thing to you.


No matter, at least to me, as my wife isn't part Cherokee nor does her family come from " Oklahoma " ( which translates " land of the red man ) So I ain't headed for the sofa for saying the same thing as you.


Some how, some way, I always knew when I said in essence " Easy to sit here in the 21st Century and judge. " that you agreed,no matter how much you loved your father in law or his family heritage or how badly, you wanted to disagree with me.


P.S. All of us should never forget Jackson on his death bed, through his writings, as well as his influence over Polk, helped bring what ? 9 additional westerns states into America. No wonder, Jackson's famous quote " One man with courage is a majority " will always ring true to the American person of action.

Contango

Re: "I had attempted to say the same thing to you."

Our recollections are different and we're out of context.

I've known of the fallacy of "recency" since college.

As I wrote: Not justifying, only attempting to understand.

(Study the Spartans' institution of the agoge.)

Not-to-worry; in 500 yrs., our ancestors will probably shake their heads in wonderment at our ignorance.

Cliff Cannon

" Our recollections are different " Go figure. Who would have ever thought humans would remember 'things' differently ?

Contango

Also: Out of context and without explanation.

It's been said:

Our memories are like they're scribbled on posted notes randomly stuck to walls in a darkened room.

pntbutterandjelly

One great big "YES" in agreement with Licorice Schtick. "Free the salves and euthanize the natives." Sounds like a fair balance wrapped in "Public Domain". Next up; imprison the poor and weak for minor infractions and then shackle those left with Bank-generated depressions and recessions until they too submit. America...love it, leave it or fight back.

(Our history books are filled with incorrect data, outright lies and other deceitful innuendos in order to give the masses of feeling of American Superiority and....hope. These falsehoods give a faux pretense to one's own self-destiny, relevancy and unity of purpose. It is nothing more than a ruse to placate the masses while the proverbial fox is busy raiding the henhouse.

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William Henry Harrison because he died after 32 days in office. I'm sure, given more time, he would have been just as tyrannical as the rest.

“A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years.”
-Lysander Spooner

Cliff Cannon

@ WinstonSmith : You leave out he most important part of the Harrison presidency. His vice president--- John Tyler.


Nicknamed " his accidency " Tyler, being first to attempt it, made succession work. So where would we be with out him ?


Tyler, also brought to the presidency through his wife. This great tradition. Every time, he entered the room, she insisted the song " Hail to the Chief " be played.


Tyler's wife Julia, who was 27 years younger than him ( she gave him 7 children, which proves life begins at 54 if you have a young wife) was a Gardiner who's family owns to this day " Gardiner's island " at he end of " Long Island "


This island is the last piece of land still in the original family's hands from all the lands deeded by the king of England. Last trivia note : Tyler, joins James Monroe & Jefferson Davis in Richmond's " Hollywood cemetery" to be the only place in America where 3 Presidents are buried together


P.S. Harrison who made a career out of trying to be killed by the great chief Tecumseh. Also, was the first person to bring together 2 men who made the impossible work---joint command. There names ? " Lewis & Clark "

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In 1842 Lincoln married Mary Todd, who came from one of Kentucky's most prominent slave-holding families.2 While serving as an elected representative in the Illinois legislature, he persuaded his fellow Whigs to support Zachary Taylor, a slave owner, in his successful 1848 bid for the Presidency.3 Lincoln was also a strong supporter of the Illinois law that forbid marriage between whites and blacks.4

"If all earthly power were given me," said Lincoln in a speech delivered in Peoria, Illinois, on October 16, 1854, "I should not know what to do, as to the existing institution [of slavery]. My first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia, to their own native land." After acknowledging that this plan's "sudden execution is impossible," he asked whether freed blacks should be made "politically and socially our equals?" "My own feelings will not admit of this," he said, "and [even] if mine would, we well know that those of the great mass of white people will not ... We can not, then, make them equals."5

One of Lincoln's most representative public statements on the question of racial relations was given in a speech at Springfield, Illinois, on June 26, 1857.6 In this address, he explained why he opposed the Kansas-Nebraska Act, which would have admitted Kansas into the Union as a slave state:

There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people to the idea of indiscriminate amalgamation of the white and black races ... A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation, but as an immediate separation is impossible, the next best thing is to keep them apart where they are not already together. If white and black people never get together in Kansas, they will never mix blood in Kansas ...

Racial separation, Lincoln went on to say, "must be effected by colonization" of the country's blacks to a foreign land. "The enterprise is a difficult one," he acknowledged,

but "where there is a will there is a way," and what colonization needs most is a hearty will. Will springs from the two elements of moral sense and self-interest. Let us be brought to believe it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or, at least, not against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be.

To affirm the humanity of blacks, Lincoln continued, was more likely to strengthen public sentiment on behalf of colonization than the Democrats' efforts to "crush all sympathy for him, and cultivate and excite hatred and disgust against him ..." Resettlement ("colonization") would not succeed, Lincoln seemed to argue, unless accompanied by humanitarian concern for blacks, and some respect for their rights and abilities. By apparently denying the black person's humanity, supporters of slavery were laying the groundwork for "the indefinite outspreading of his bondage." The Republican program of restricting slavery to where it presently existed, he said, had the long-range benefit of denying to slave holders an opportunity to sell their surplus bondsmen at high prices in new slave territories, and thus encouraged them to support a process of gradual emancipation involving resettlement of the excess outside of the country.

Licorice Schtick

Plagiarist steals another long quote.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n5...

SR, please!

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WinstonSmith

Are you the copy/paste police?

Busting my balls is one thing, being a Nazi tattle-tale is another.

This is the Internet, you must be new around here.

Licorice Schtick

Yeah, the quintessential Nazi - a tattletale.
What do you think, Buffoon, that I just choose random victims to pick on? You're breaking the guidelines in multiple ways, thereby screwing up this experience for everyone else.

mikeylikesit

especially bob..

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I like how you nitpick on guidelines and protocol instead of debating the facts, and then you reward yourself by calling me a "Buffoon"

Your argue nothing but "formal semantics" and that's the behavior of someone who wants to debate but doesn't have the ability to argue the topic being debated. If you'd really like to gain insight into the current topic you should start with this book that was not available in your public school library:
http://books.google.com/books?id...

I'll make it simple for you, and considering I'm such a buffoon, you should have no problem logically deconstructing my stance:

Lincoln was a racist and tyrant with the blood of over 600,000 human beings on his hands for no better reason than to centralize power.

Your turn...

Cliff Cannon

@ Licorce Schtick : I am new to writing on the " Register " site. However, I am also as much as possible an honest man. So thanks for busting out" Winston Smith" .


Because, having seen him on this site get caught ----twice, stealing ---- other peoples works, personally, I have seen more than enough.


Perhaps, Mr. Smith should enter politics as he has already conquered todays most essential element's of politics----- lying & stealing.

Darwin's choice

Happy 5th anniversary "failed" stimulus bill!!!
800 billion that obama said would be "the beginning of the end of economic problems" in the country.
Coasterfan, big dog, deertracker, and the rest of you clingons, party on!

The Big Dog's back

We are.

coasterfan

9 independent studies graded the Stimulus Package. 7 of the 9 concluded that it worked. Since the recession did end - we didn't fall back into a 2nd bigger recession, as conservatives predicted, it would seem that history is on the side of those who say it worked. Unemployment has continued to drop, and job creation is up. We lost 8.7 million jobs during the last two years of the Bush years, and have gained 7.8 million of those jobs back.

Of course, I understand that Darwin defines "success" and "failure" different than I do. Personally, I don't miss the 2007-2008 financial meltdown...

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The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: Your money, or your life. And many, if not most, taxes are paid under the compulsion of that threat.
The government does not, indeed, waylay a man in a lonely place, spring upon him from the road side, and, holding a pistol to his head, proceed to rifle his pockets. But the robbery is none the less a robbery on that account; and it is far more dastardly and shameful.
The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger, and crime of his own act. He does not pretend that he has any rightful claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit. He does not pretend to be anything but a robber. He has not acquired impudence enough to profess to be merely a “protector,” and that he takes men’s money against their will, merely to enable him to “protect” those infatuated travellers, who feel perfectly able to protect themselves, or do not appreciate his peculiar system of protection. He is too sensible a man to make such professions as these. Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you, as you wish him to do. He does not persist in following you on the road, against your will; assuming to be your rightful “sovereign,” on account of the “protection” he affords you. He does not keep “protecting” you, by commanding you to bow down and serve him; by requiring you to do this, and forbidding you to do that; by robbing you of more money as often as he finds it for his interest or pleasure to do so; and by branding you as a rebel, a traitor, and an enemy to your country, and shooting you down without mercy, if you dispute his authority, or resist his demands. He is too much of a gentleman to be guilty of such impostures, and insults, and villainies as these. In short, he does not, in addition to robbing you, attempt to make you either his dupe or his slave.

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The Constitutional Convention of 1787 was a bloodless coup d'état.
Hamilton and the other Federalists gave us back the same Rothchild controlled British system that we had just broken free from.

We should have hung every one of the "Founding Fathers" for treason and stayed with the Articles of Confederation.

Licorice Schtick

Everyone know the first thing you do after the revolution is kill the revolutionaries.

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Lincoln was a racist tyrant... Just as bad as Hitler, maybe worse.

SamAdams

You're not allowed to say that. Revisionist history has all but canonized him, and it's the rare student that knows any different any more!

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I like to call them "The Cult of Lincoln" and they've got to be some of the most brain dead zombies to ever walk the face of the Earth.

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When ever I run into a Cult of Lincoln member, I like to ask them the question: If Lincoln was all about freeing saves and so on so forth, then what was the Underground Railroad for? To avoid the plantation paparazzi?

Factitious

So...you're saying Lincoln was NOT about freeing the slaves?

Casting him as the enemy of African Americans is as absurd as the rest of your trolling nonsense. He risked everything personally to do what was thought to be impossible. That included lulling racist by feeding them whatever BS necessary to soften their opposition. He was nothing if not a pragmatist.

Contango

Re:"So...(snip)"

You obviously don't understand the complexity of the origins of the War Between the States if you believe that it was ONLY about "freeing the slaves."

The disputes went back to before the Revolutionary War.

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That's EXACTLY what I'm saying... The Emancipation Proclamation didn't free a single slave and was never intended to and there are more than enough of Lincoln's own writings that dispel the myth of the angelic Union making all men equal at the point of a bayonet.
If Thomas Jefferson, Sam Adams and George Washington were alive during the War to Prevent Southern Independence they would have, all three, been fighting for the Confederacy. Fact.

Matthew 7:16 - By their fruit you will recognize them...

1) In 1842 Lincoln married Mary Todd, who came from one of Kentucky's most prominent slave-holding families.

2)While serving as an elected representative in the Illinois legislature, he persuaded his fellow Whigs to support Zachary Taylor, a slave owner, in his successful 1848 bid for the Presidency. Lincoln was also a strong supporter of the Illinois law that forbid marriage between whites and blacks.

3) One of Lincoln's most representative public statements on the question of racial relations was given in a speech at Springfield, Illinois, on June 26, 1857.In this address, he explained why he opposed the Kansas-Nebraska Act, which would have admitted Kansas into the Union as a slave state:

There is a natural disgust in the minds of nearly all white people to the idea of indiscriminate amalgamation of the white and black races ... A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation, but as an immediate separation is impossible, the next best thing is to keep them apart where they are not already together. If white and black people never get together in Kansas, they will never mix blood in Kansas ...

Racial separation, Lincoln went on to say, "must be effected by colonization" of the country's blacks to a foreign land. "The enterprise is a difficult one," he acknowledged,

but "where there is a will there is a way," and what colonization needs most is a hearty will. Will springs from the two elements of moral sense and self-interest. Let us be brought to believe it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or, at least, not against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be.

4) Lincoln-Douglas Debates of 1858 Lincoln stated:
"I have no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."
"I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the white and black races. There is physical difference between the two which, in my judgment, will probably forever forbid their living together upon the footing of perfect equality, and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that there must be a difference, I, as well as Judge Douglas, am in favor of the race to which I belong having the superior position."
"I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

And it goes on, and on, and on, and on.... The only reason a person would hold true the idea of 'The Great Emancipator' is cause that's what they were told to believe and didn't do any of their own leg work. It takes less than an hour with an internet connection for anyone with two functioning brain cells to debunk the mythology of "Honest Abe"

pntbutterandjelly

@ WinstonSmith; Whether copied and pasted or written "off hand"...I give 10 stars for bringing forward the truth of A. Lincoln. Truly..."the truth will set you free".
Thank you for your efforts at re-educating rather than the fairy tales we have told to dutifully swallow.

coasterfan

Yup. In less than 3 decades, the same thing has happened with Reagan, who personally saw to the decline in the middle class that we still "enjoy" today.

Contango

Re: "Yup."

Yea, those days of Pres. Carter's stagflation and long gas lines were GREAT weren't they?

Pres. Reagan had a Dem controlled Congress. So what was their excuse?

Licorice Schtick

...just in case anyone ever doubted Godwin.

puddin95

Can't beat Reagan&First Bush.

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WinstonSmith

You mean the ex-director of the CIA and his Hollywood sock-puppet?

Licorice Schtick

Dr. Emmett Brown: Who's President of the United States in 1985?
Marty McFly: Ronald Reagan.
Dr. Emmett Brown: Ronald Reagan?! The actor?! Ha! Then who's Vice President? Jerry Lewis?

- Back to the Future (1985)

Contango

That was a funny bit.

How about a remake with a similar scene where he tells 'im that the guy's name is Barack Obama AND that he's black?

Should be good for another laugh.

Ned Mandingo

George Washington was the man. He was a great general who helped beat the red coats. After his terms were up he turned down offers to become king. He retired to his farm to grow hemp and distill whiskey. Who can top that?

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WinstonSmith

Google the "Whiskey Rebellion"
George Washington wasn't a complete tyrant like John Adams and every other statist clown to ever hold that office since the ratifaction of the CONstitution, but he was still manipulated by Hamilton and his Rothchild banking interests. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...

Licorice Schtick

Teddy Roosevelt was an amazing over-achiever. And I like our National Parks.

Cliff Cannon

Re: " Teddy Roosevelt was an amazing over-achiever " Amen !

Few if any, ever made us spell " American " this way " Amer-I- Can " like Teddy Roosevelt.

queenjhb

Both Roosevelts, Now they knew how to lead.

whattheBucks

I would have loved to see what the son of a bush could have done, he kinda got dealt a bad hand with the whole terrorist bombings and all from the get go.

G_Richardson

David Rice Atchison. I like to believe he served one day as president and liked the idea of term limits.
In an interview with the St. Louis Globe-Democrat, Atchison revealed that he slept through most of the day of his alleged presidency: "There had been three or four busy nights finishing up the work of the Senate, and I slept most of that Sunday."
A president who sleeps though his entire term of one day knows what his priorities are.

BadMinton84

My Favorite President of all time has to be. James Polk our 11th president.

The US increased its land by 1/3, and is responsible for making America a true coast to coast nation.

Formed a currency. System that lasted until early 1900s

Just imagine if we increased Americas continental size by 33% today?
I mean, you would have to be a badass President to do that.

He's the Rodney Dangerfield of presidents.. He gets no respect!!

OMG.LOL.WT_

My favorite: The buck stops here Harry S Truman.

BabyMomma

Tricky Dick Nixon

Left Sandtown

Grover Cleveland,I don`t know why,just that Cleveland Rocks!

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The Hero Zone

Theodore Roosevelt.

EDIT: Though I was reminded of the Seinfeld episode about the gang called the "Van Buren Boys" which made me chuckle. VIII

Cliff Cannon

Re : "Though I was reminded of the Seinfeld episode about the gang called the "Van Buren Boys" which made me chuckle. "

Quick trivia question. Did the Seinfeld episode mention that Martin Van Buren was known as " Old Kinderhook " ? The nickname comes from his home town.


So the democrats in an effort to trick the Whigs when exchanging letters & memo's took to writing " O.K. " approves, agrees and so on. The Whigs, of course, could not let it seem that they couldn't crack this code.


Said ' yeah, we know what " Ok " means', it means o.k. and the rest as they say is history.

whattheBucks

I like Lincoln, look at the jobs he created with the chimney sweepers !

Coram Deo

Calvin Coolidge.

“I want the people of America to be able to work less for the government and more for themselves. I want them to have the rewards of their own industry. This is the chief meaning of freedom.

Until we can reestablish a condition under which the earnings of the people can be kept by the people, we are bound to suffer a very severe and distinct curtailment of our liberty.”

Factitious

Not terrible. Not great. At least his tax cuts helped ordinary people - by the time he was done, only the top 2% were paying any Federal income tax at all.

curious

seriously people..............hands down, (and maybe pants too...hahaha)it has to be Bill Clinton. Best ever!!

starryeyes83

None.

Brick Hamland

Andrew Jackson

Ned Mandingo

Ted Nugent!!!!!

coasterfan

Ted is the reddest of racist rednecks. Obviously has some dain bramage from all the drugs during his 70's run as a no-talent rock star. Why is it, that the more stupid and/or offensive a person is, the more of a hero he is to the teaparty bunch? Birds of a feather?

Ralph J.

I did not like LBJ or Nixon.

Ralph J.

I did like Ike. He did warn us about the companies that profit from wars.

44846GWP

John Kennedy, for the simple fact he saved the world from nuclear war during the Cuban missile crisis. We now know if he had followed the military advice we would have had nuclear war. His cool head kept that from happening.

Cliff Cannon

@ 44846 GWP : Ah, JFK


" Don't let it be forgot
That once there was a spot,
For one brief, shining moment
That was known as Camelot "


Amen brother.

Contango

Re: "Camelot"

King Arthur and the Kennedys - both myths.

Contango

Re: "John Kennedy,"

A rapist, adulterous, philandering member of a wealthy crime family.

Re: "Cuban missile crisis."

Know your history: It ain't all one sided.

Bay of Pigs invasion? U.S. missiles encircling the USSR? U-2 spy flights over Russia?

Yea, JFK was blameless.

44846GWP

Oh Winnie, just go away. People are tired of your bull. Get a job.

Contango

Re: "Oh,"

Oh Zippy, just keep your head up your butt, while praying to your little tin god. :)

Cliff Cannon

@ Contango : I can assure you my friend, I have forgotten more about JFK than the average person knows. However, what can not be denied is that he, like Ronald Reagan ( who's administration had more scandals in it than Harding's, if that's possible ) inspired Americans like few others ever have done. And that is, bless it be fond memory's, what we remember him for.

coasterfan

Agree with Cliff. JFK was the first president who wasn't an old stodgy white guy. He had flair and panache, and spoke for the common man. I find it funny that 50 years later, Republicans are still nominating stodgy, grumpy old white guys.

Contango

Re: "JFK was the first president who wasn't an old stodgy white guy."

What? His father wasn't politically connected and didn't help buy his son an election?

Let's just ignore the adultery and philandering.

Contango

Re: "inspired Americans like few others ever have done."

The avg. American of today probably couldn't tell ya one thing that he did or tell you when he lived.

I tend not to fawn over politicos. Especially rich, pompous hypocrites like the Kennedy crime family.

wally44824

Not sure about the best, but Washington would be near the top of the list. I have NO DOUBT who the worst is: the current clueless IDIOT residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. He should have been impeached 6 years ago!!!

coasterfan

Wally: how it works is this: to be impeached, you have do something that rises to the level of impeachment. Here's an example: you have to lie about Weapons of Mass Destruction in order to coerce America into supporting your plans to enter two unnecessary wars.

In short, if Bush didn't get impeached for the above, if he didn't get impeached for ignoring obvious pre-9/11 warnings about Al Qaeda, if he didn't get impeached for bringing us into the worst financial disaster in 90 years, then nothing Obama has done is even remotely impeachable.

Contango

Re: "Weapons of Mass Destruction"

"Beware lest you lose the substance by grasping at the shadow."

- Aesop

One word: CIA

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Re: "worst financial disaster in 90 years"

Yea, Pres. Bush did it singlehandedly and Dems were TOTALLY non-complicit. lol

Impeachment for Pres. Obama? Perhaps for incompetency.