Debt limit saves GOP from political showdown

Republicans’ new acquiescence to letting the government pile up more debt with no strings attached spared them another politically debilitating showdown with the president
Associated Press
Feb 13, 2014

 

Republicans' new acquiescence to letting the government pile up more debt with no strings attached paid double political dividends: It spared the GOP another politically debilitating showdown with President Barack Obama and also forced Democrats to cast votes that rivals immediately used against them in this year's midterm elections.

The GOP's top priority is maintaining its House majority and seizing control of the Senate, and the political strategy is to keep it simple — talk incessantly about Obama's unpopular health care law and avoid cataclysmic fights like the one that led to last fall's 16-day partial government shutdown.

That largely rules out the contentious issue of overhauling the nation's immigration laws.

Both House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, and Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., convinced many in their GOP caucus to accept legislation lifting the nation's borrowing authority with no concessions from the Obama administration. Gone were demands for the Keystone XL pipeline, repeal of the health care law and even a popular plan to reverse the pension cut for working-age military retirees.

Republicans wanted to avoid the drama of a possible default and the political fallout from last year's government shutdown. Facing a Feb. 27 deadline from the Treasury, they acted swiftly, realizing that there was no negotiating with the White House or Democrats on the issue. Boehner, who has often struggled with his fractious caucus, including a strong lineup of tea partyers, got grudging respect from conservatives.

"I think it's always better to have something that is straightforward than smoke and mirrors," said Rep. Mick Mulvaney, R-S.C., who didn't like the idea of attaching the military retiree provision to the debt limit bill. He added that Boehner was better off with his final strategy.

"It's much more honest to have a straightforward vote," Mulvaney said.

The House passed the debt limit bill with 193 Democratic votes and 28 Republican on Tuesday. Boehner and several other members of the leadership along with a handful of retiring congressmen provided the GOP votes.

"I think the speaker did the only thing that he could do," said Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga. "If you have certain votes that are going to be cast one way, and that's the only way they're going to go and there's no negotiation, then your hands become tied, depending on how many votes that is."

Immigration has no deadline and House Republicans from predominantly white districts see no political imperative to act this year. They fear days of divisive, internal debate over the issue could undercut their standing, especially with core conservative voters. Despite a desire to act, Boehner all but ruled out immigration this year, blaming his Republicans' distrust of Obama to enforce any new laws.

The debt-limit outcome left some outside groups grumbling, with the Tea Party Patriots demanding Boehner's ouster and railing against "go-along-to-get-along capitulation," but no loud voices in the GOP caucus threatened the speaker's standing. At least one Republican had suggested that if Boehner brought up immigration, his speakership was in jeopardy.

Immigration advocates argue that the strategy is shortsighted.

"Why did they go forward on the debt ceiling vote? Because they think their electoral future was at stake," said Frank Sharry, executive director of the pro-immigration group America's Voice. "If they don't take the window of opportunity to move forward on immigration this year, their electoral future is in doubt. Not in 2014, but in 2016 and beyond. So it may make it more comfortable for them in the short run, but it could doom them in the long run."

In 2016, Republicans will be defending 24 of 34 Senate seats, with several races in states with fast-growing Hispanic populations such as Florida and Arizona.

In the Senate this week, tea party favorite Sen. Ted Cruz demanded a 60-vote threshold to move ahead on the debt limit bill, forcing Republican leaders such as McConnell and Sen. John Cornyn to reluctantly deliver the votes. The maneuvering opened McConnell to criticism from the tea party and his Republican primary challenger, Matt Bevin.

"Outside of Washington, just about every American understands we can't keep going on the path we're on," said Cruz, who along with Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, precipitated last fall's shutdown over demands for Obama to gut his health care law. "We're bankrupting the country. And it's irresponsible to our kids, and it's irresponsible to our grandkids."

Other Senate Republicans saw no positive outcome to Cruz's strategy.

"At the end of the day you still have to deal with the fact that you can't let the country default," said Sen. Mike Johanns, R-Neb. "What's the other strategy? Default? See how the world reacts to that, see what the stock market does?"

Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., said the choice was clear.

"We can put the country through two weeks of turmoil, or we can get this vote behind us," he said.

By the end of the day on Wednesday, the bill lifting the borrowing authority passed on a party-line Senate vote of 55-43. Republican candidates moved quickly to criticize incumbent Democrats who voted for the legislation.

"With a national debt over $17.3 trillion or $54,000 for every American, we are clearly on an unsustainable fiscal path," said Dan Sullivan, who is looking to oust Alaska Sen. Mark Begich. "Instead of righting that course, Senator Begich voted today to send a blank check to President Obama, allowing the federal government to recklessly spend money we don't have."

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The Hero Zone

No grander spectacle of party before the people could be made for either Rs or Ds in this article. As well, the proof of how much of a leviathan our Federal government is when those who are elected to legislate it don't even know how it works by wringing hands over "default".

A convention of the states to amend the Constitution can't come quickly enough and is fortunately gaining a lot of unnoticed steam. While the grasshoppers fiddle, we ants will continue on.

coasterfan

Only one of the 2 parties is truly dysfunctional, in the sense that it cannot even agree upon an agenda, and instead experiences constant infighting and a tug-of-war/power struggle. It's fascinating to watch today's Republican Party implode, as it finally whimpers in complete acquiescence to Obama and the Democrats.

Change is never pretty. Yet they continue to resist any type of evolution that might give them a fighting chance of being a viable political entity. Examples:

Problem: can't attract Latino voters. GOP Solution: Resist Immigration Reform and Amnesty. Problem: alienating women voters. GOP Solution: oppose abortion and expanded contraceptive services, oppose efforts to deal with sexual assault in the military.

And so it goes. With most every important issue, they continue to piddle down their legs, alienating millions of swing voters in the process.

Darwin's choice

Watch this, then tell us again who's dysfunctional.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a...

Obama at his best????

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JMOP

Reverse? Obama went full throttle ahead!

There you go again

Oh, that is the best yet.
What, are you saying our President Obama is a big, fat, liar???

JudgeMeNot

Videos like that have the 0-bamabots running to the hole they crawled out from.

Thankfully, soon we can reverse the bad choices 0-bama has made for our great country. It is worst president EVER in the United States, and he is not even out of office yet!

(Please pass this on)

These are possibly the 5 best sentences you’ll ever read;

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

Contango

^^^^Compliments of Adrian Rogers.

I still like the old Soviet dominated Eastern European phrase:

Socialism makes us all equal, equally poor.

EVERY empire and great nation, e.g. Rome, Spain, France, UK, Soviet Union, et. al, went down the same path to economic collapse as the U.S. is following with too much debt and military adventurism.

This time is NOT different.

History is NOT on the side of the progressive-socialist Democrats.

"History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme." - Mark Twain.

grandmasgirl

JudgeMeNot: Agree 100%.

The Big Dog's back

Is that why you don't work?

Darwin's choice

Good one, wormy!

Contango

Coasterfan writes: "evolution that might give them a fighting chance of being a viable political entity."

So, Mr. 'political expert':

And what would a political party's platform that differs from the progressive-socialist Democrats look like?

Contango

Coasterfan writes: "alienating millions of swing voters,"

Know your history:

Mr. Romney took the independent voter block in '12.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs...

deertracker

He also took a big L!

Contango

Re: "He (snip)"

Independent voters = "swing voters," poop.

Dr. Information

just go away coasterfan. You and big dog and deer are in a boat of your own. Nobody with a brain agrees with anything you guys say. Its full of non fact, opinion based garbage. Go find another website.

deertracker

I don't like boats.

coasterfan

Doc: Apparently we aren't the minority viewpoint, or our guy wouldn't have won the election. I see an innate anger/frustration in most of the Republicans who post here. I'd be angry too, if my party was split as yours is. Clearly, you don't like when we Dems point out the obvious.

We think that Fox is opinion-based garbage, because (unlike CNN or the 3 major networks) during "news" broadcasts, they actually have 2-3 person discussions on the "news". When that happens - and they do it all the time - it blurs the line between News and Opinion/ Editorial. That's fine if they want to do that, but they really, really ought to drop the "Fair and Balanced" baloney, because they are anything but.

Unlike many of the conservatives who post here, I don't just get information from a website and post a link. Also, unlike most every conservative I know, I don't just listen/read information that backs up what I already believe. Although a mainstream Democrat, I do watch Fox for giggles quite often, along with Hannity, Levin and Limbaugh (since there really isn't anything except the Republican viewpoint on mainstream radio), although I can't stomach them for longer than 5-10 minutes at a time.

Fox and the conservative radio guys typically only tell half the story - the portion that reinforces their biased viewpoint. The danger of listening to only one viewpoint, of course, is that it's really easy to assume that everything you hear is the 'absolute truth'. The next step is you become absolutely sure that you're 100% correct,and anyone who disagrees with you is a stupid idiot.

In short, you become Contango, Darwin's Choice or Dr. Information.

I really do believe that Republicans, just as we Democrats do, want what is best for our country. Recent history continues to prove to me (and a majority of voters) that Republican economic ideas #1 make the economy worse, and #2 make things better for the extremely rich and worse for everyone else. If you don't agree with that, I'll be glad to remind you of the Recession of 2007-08. Recent history also shows that Dems don't have all the answers, but that things have gotten better under Obama and that he continues to fix the things Bush screwed up.

Contango

Re: "Apparently (snip)"

Delusional wrong-headed nonsense.

Conversely:

Bill Maher, MSNBC, "typically only tell half the story - the portion that reinforces their biased viewpoint. The danger of listening to only one viewpoint, of course, is that it's really easy to assume that everything you hear is the 'absolute truth'."

"In short, you become" coasterfan.

Notice, I tend to ask you straightforward questions, which you NEVER answer.

Fox, Limbaugh, et. al:

"You don't need a weatherman. To know which way the wind blows."

- Bob Dylan, "Subterranean Homesick Blues"

deertracker

Pooh, you are a master at not answering questions. "How does it feel?"

Contango

Re: "you (snip)"

Oh, I answer the questions, poop. But due to your ideological blindness, you just don't understand the answers.

Donegan

The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents — #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic.
B. Obama.
Now for the last 5 years he has doubled Bush's Debt. To use your Gods words "That’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic". I am sure you will not agree but then again you Dems are hypocrites.

Darwin's choice

Spin, ballerina, spin away!!! Cfan, you have to be getting paid to act so incredibly stupid. Guess that travel agency job sucks,huh?

You can't refute the lying sob in the video!!!!!

anthras

cfan says " #2 make things better for the extremely rich and worse for everyone else."

You can say that and many uninformed people will believe it however all the while Obama has been in office the gap continues to widen. Unemployment especially among young blacks is really critical at this time and the Democrats continue to say that the Republicans are anti poor and anti black and the people believe what he says of course what can you expect from a country that continues to slide because of sub standard education I just read a poll showing that 1 in 4 Americans do not realize that it is the earth that orbits the sun. I think that it might be best to eliminate the Federal Department of Education and allow the states to educate our youth the way they did it prior to double digit Jimmy Carter

Steve P

Like!

Contango

Remember this Nov: Vote Republicrat.

One party rule is best.

Arguments between two distinct socio-economic political philosophies tends to confuse the proletariate.

slightthroat212

why would anyone in their right mind vote for a Republican after what they did in holding the government hostage? I doubt that any American would soon forget that. No one doing business with any government entity at the time could get a thing done. And, if like me, you needed something done, you were at a complete stand still for some time. I don't like my time wasted for nonsense or someone trying to prove a stupid point like the Republican's did, especially the Tea Party portion of your Republican party. Sorry, that makes them no better than Obama in my book.

Contango

Re: "holding the government hostage,"

Yea, if the debt is left unchecked, attempting to tax, print, borrow and spend our way to prosperity which will end in eventual monetary and fiscal collapse is such a better idea eh?

Not-to-worry, the Repubs went along – they’re now safe to vote for!

The Big Dog's back

The debt didn't mean shinola to you right wingnuts when Raygun and Bush were President.

Darwin's choice

You go, wormy!

Donegan

So you are the same as the republicans because you do not care either huh? That whole "Bush is bad because he raised the debt" thing was all a show but now Bush2.5 is in office you all embrace spending and Cheneys mantra. That's known as hypocrisy you know.

The Big Dog's back

What part of Obama is spending less don't you get done again?

Donegan

Spending less than what? Oh his first 4 years in office. Cutting what you have doubled doesn't matter much on the debt end. Its unpatriotic and irresponsible to use your gods own words. Tell us again why you don't like Bush.

grumpy

Re: "What part of Obama is spending less don't you get done again?"

Bush increased the national Debt $4.785 Trillion in 8 years.
Obama increased the national debt $6.779 Trillion in 5 years and one month.
Which is larger bush's $4.785 trillion or Obama's $6.779 Trillion?
I will let you search for the gocv't projection for the next few years deficits to get an idea what obama will have after 8 years. (hint National Debt will be higher than today, which means even more increased spending.)

Every year since before 2001 federal spending has gone up. Deficit spending has varied how much it has risen, but every year since before Bush was in office spending has gone up. Even those couple of years Clinton and the repube Congress "balanced" the budget. Spending still went up as did gov't revenues. keeping taxes level and dropping cap gains tax percentage.

Try learning some facts before making even more of a fool of yourself piddle puppy. Look at places other than left wingnut blogs, comedians, and the comedy channel for your facts. You might just find some actual facts.

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JMOP

Oh, the government shutdown. I recall obama picking what he wanted closed down. White House tours to the public, only his invited Hollywood, and millionaires could tour. National parks, including the WWII memorial, which was open air. He shut down the Amber Alert system, but he did keep his wife's move.org site running. Yet his followers see nothing wrong with him? Mind blowing!

Dr. Information

Obama still thinks that people that work hard and earn a good paycheck are holding the poor down. You can lead a horse to water but can't force it to drink.

If our government would make people more responsible for their actions instead of trying to figure out ways to make excuses we would be in much better shape.

deertracker

The GOP needs to take their party back from the Tea Party. This is a start!

SamAdams

Apparently, avoiding a "politically debilitating showdown" and getting re-elected is more important than avoiding a CERTAINLY debilitating debt. These men and women don't represent anybody but themselves, and that goes for BOTH major parties. I can count on the fingers of one hand those in Washington who are legitimate representatives of their constituents. The rest? Egotistical, power-hungry, greedy, and all too often just plain stupid. In fairness, apparently a lot of voters are even dumber. They keep re-electing the same folks after all!

donutshopguy

++++10 Sam.

All you Republican and Democrats bloggers out there please explain how this country can continue to function with this mounting debt? Do we just ignore it? Do we just sacrifice our children's and grandchildren's future so we can live this lifestyle ?

You argue about silly problems while Rome burns. God help us.

Dr. Information

It cannot but who is the party trying to address this issue? It surely isn't the Democrats. They want to keep borrowing and spending our way to the landfill. When the Republicans have tried to cut spending in the past the liberal media cry's foul, along with Obama and all the Democrats that its not fair.

coasterfan

Nope. We still have the same expenses we've always had. What changed is that we've decided to cut our paycheck by lowering taxes, while simultaneously adding 2 wars to our expenses. If you suddenly made $20,000 less per year, and increased spending $20,000, would your debt increase? Let's all thank Mr. Bush for that.

Until Republicans can own up to the massive spending increase under Bush (8% per year compared to a little more than 1% increase per year under Obama), they cannot be part of any sensible discussion on the topic. Sorry, but you have absolutely Zero moral high ground on the issue.

Cutting spending only will put a small dent in the debt - which is why we still HAVE debt after 2 years of non-stop budget cutting.

If you were $100,000 in debt, stopping add'l spending will keep the debt from growing, but won't do diddly to pay off the $100,000 you already owe. What you need is $100,000 to pay off a $100,000 debt, and one way to do that is to bring in more tax revenue.

If conservatives were TRULY interested in paying off the country's debt, they would push for more taxes from EVERYONE. If you say you want to pay off your credit card, but never send payment, you don't get to gripe that you owe more and more money.

Contango

Re: "we've decided to cut our paycheck by lowering taxes."

You mean the "Bush tax cuts" of which Pres. Obama locked in 98% of 'em?

Those tax cuts now belong to him.

Contango

Re: "paying off the country's debt,"

LOL!!!

The govt. would have to raise taxes on EVERYONE by about 70% and cut spending accordingly.

Looking to bankrupt the country eh? lol

Stick to music, economics and finance ain't your forte.

grumpy

Re: "Nope. We still have the same expenses we've always had. What changed is that we've decided to cut our paycheck by lowering taxes, while simultaneously adding 2 wars to our expenses. If you suddenly made $20,000 less per year, and increased spending $20,000, would your debt increase?"

You can make anything work or not work when you use pretend numbers. Use the actual numbers and you can't stack the deck to make wrong statements work. It is just a function of math., but if you use made up numbers it is meaningless. Thank god you no longer teach.

The Big Dog's back

Your post is meaningless. Contains no facts. Fact free zone.

grumpy

This from someone who gets his "facts" from comedians, the comedy channel, or left wingnut blogs, at least we have tracked where he quotes from and those are your sources.

You think a point can be made with made up numbers that have no relation to what is happening?

That explains a lot. Almost as much as where you get your "facts".

Darwin's choice

Got worms?

And,your one to talk about meaningless posts....

grumpy

Re: "Until Republicans can own up to the massive spending increase under Bush"

The raw numbers...

National debt 1-1 2001 $5.628 trillion I know this is 20 days before bush took office but it is close enough to compare.

National debt 1-1 2009. $10.413 trillion again close enough to compare.

Bush added $4.785 trillion in round numbers

Today checking the debt clock it was $17. 292 trillion.
Obama added $6.779 trillion in 5 years and one month.

The NYT reports a projected $759 deficit. making it around a projected $7.538 trillion for 6 years under Obama with 2 years more to go. giving the country a projected National Debt of $18.051 trillion with 2 more years to go.

Total of bush's deficits was $5.628 trillion.
Obamas total deficits to date is $6.779 trillion with just shy of 3 more years to go.
Obama;s projected total after this year is $7.538 trillion.

with these numbers coasterfan thinks we need to focus on bushes $5.6 trillion spent 5+ years ago, and we should ignore the $7.5 trillion obama has spent the last 5 years and not be concerned with the current spending that can be changed. Bush's spending has been done for over 5 years, I would like to know how he proposes to change what has already been spent. We cna change current spending but would REALLY like to know what can be done about spending from 5+ years ago.

If you want to check my numbers you can go to the wiki on "national debt" NYT did an article on the 2014 projected deficit, search it, and if you wish to see the current national debt search "national debt clock" Then do your own math.

I don't expect you to believe what I tell you so I give links to back the facts I use. I don't expect you to believe me if I just say I worked out the numbers and not say where I got the info or where to look to check on my word. I know where I get my info, not that I heard it on TV, radio, or read it somewhere but you can trust me. Check my sourses and numbers. don't believe some person on the internet writing on a newspaper blog.

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The Hero Zone

I agree, we need a FAIR or FLAT tax. Though I must disagree with the presumption that all our expenditures are necessary. I agree that establishment Republicans have no mental purchase on the podium of blaming others but that is why the Tea Party came about at the end of our former President's rule. But I must ask, who is fighting against establishment Democrats from within their own ranks? Or is it enough to have a unified vision that it isn't needed? Lemmings, too, share an agenda at migration.

donutshopguy

Dr.,

The Republicans just kicked the can down the road. Don't waste my time with it's someone else's fault. There is no difference between a Republican and Democrat.
Their primary goal is to get re-elected. All spineless cowards.

slightthroat212

All professional politicians that we have "kick the can down the road" and worry only about getting re-elected. That is their job. Do you think they really care about the future for your children? Think again. It has nothing to do with what party they are in or what they think. It has everything to do with getting and keeping that cushy little seat they are sitting in.

What is real is that none of these guys stay in Washington really care after they learn the real ropes. They learn to survive by the saged old men that have been there far too long.

Read your history, ladies and gentlmen. This country was founded on debt and has always had it, minus the year Bill Clinton and Al Gore balance the budget with their gang. It wasn't a PARTY that did that, it was the men and women in charge during that administration that did that. It may NEVER happen again. We can only hope.

Perhaps Hillary Clinton knows Bill's secret to it. I sometimes wonder. But this is for sure....that Clinton, Gore combination did it, so why can't others learn it? The minute Bush took over this country went right into debt again....so it is the men who run things not necessarily the party.

Contango

Re: "the year Bill Clinton and Al Gore balance the budget,"

The Gingrich Congress and the Repub-held Senate forced it.

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JMOP

Why bother giving them facts Contago? They never give credit where credit is do.

Contango

Re: "Why"

Understood.

Also, the housing boom was starting and the Internet boom was in full swing resulting in record fed tax revenue.

Pres. Clinton lowered the cap gains tax rate to 20% from Pres. Reagan's 25%, causing more money to flow into the stock mkt.

The deficit surplus was a fluke that started to unravel when the Tech Wreck began in March '00.

The Big Dog's back

pooh, you mean when Newt took out the contract on Americans?

grumpy

Which part of the 8 issues in the contract do you object to, and why did you object to them piddle puppy?

Government and Operational Reforms[edit]
On the first day of their majority in the House, the Republicans promised to bring up for vote, eight major reforms:

1. require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress;
2. select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
3. cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
4. limit the terms of all committee chairs;
5. ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
6. require committee meetings to be open to the public;
7. require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
8. guarantee an honest accounting of the Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Con...

deertracker

Sheeple much? Gingrich is/was a crook! I give him credit for that!

Contango

Re: "Sheeple (snip)"

Where are the facts that Pres. Clinton argued for a balanced budget, poop?

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JMOP

Double post

grumpy

Re: Read your history, ladies and gentlmen. This country was founded on debt and has always had it, minus the year Bill Clinton and Al Gore balance the budget with their gang."

Read your history... The "gang" that Bill Clinton had that passed the budgets and sent them to be signed by Clinton were Republicans. It was not one party rule back then it took both and they both had to talk and make deals. Not like today.

Here is a site that shows deficits, and who was President, their party, which party held the majority in the Senate, and which had majority in the House. Also shows the top income tax rate, Public debt in their current year dollars, and public debt converted to 1983 dollars, which was the year this chart was first made. Check who had majorities in house and senate the years there were no deficits when Clinton was prez.

The chart is Table #1. If you read the link you will see he converted it to January 1 to December 31 for the year instead of fiscal years, since most people think in calender years instead of fiscal years.

There is much more info and charts to see so scroll through and read more information.

Information you can check on instead of having to believe what someone heard on the radio, read someplace or saw on TV and can't be bothered to back themselves so you can see where the info actually comes from, or if it came from anywhere. You don't know me and I don't expect you to blindly just believe me. There are links to where he came up with his information, feel free to check on them, I did.

http://home.adelphi.edu/~bl16056...

Here is a link that shows when even the Notional Debt was also paid off, the country had not just no deficit but no DEBT at all.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2...

The Big Dog's back

So since Repubs now control the purse strings and have since 2011, all this additional debt is their fault? Gotcha! Glad you admitted it.

grumpy

Re: "So since Repubs now control the purse strings and have since 2011, all this additional debt is their fault? Gotcha! Glad you admitted it."

Ladies and gentlemen this is a prime example of democrat reasoning.

Piddle Puppy in your mind the House, by itself spends every dollar and the Senate doesn't vote on any spending bill?

Piddle Puppy in you mind the president doesn't have to sign the spending bills the start in the house, must be passed by the Senate before going to the President to become law?

Quote at the top of the page shows the intelligence and reasoning power of one of the people who expound on all things democrat. Aren't you democrats proud to have him as one of the vocal democrats making their opinions public?

donutshopguy

All you all do is try to crucify the other party. What a waste of time.

Folks, they are all culpable and are sending our country down the toilet . Wake up before it's too late. Sorry, it might be too late already.

Contango

Re: "Sorry, it might be too late already."

The fat lady is warming up her vocal cords.

IMO, diversify your assets - real estate, stocks, bonds, gold, cash, et. al. as best as possible.

"God bless the child that's got his own." - Billie Holiday

deertracker

Sprinkles is right. Both parties are at fault here. The rest of the world laughs at America!

Contango

Re: "The rest of the world laughs at America!"

Hardly, foreign assets are flowing into the U.S.

More like the majority of world leaders think that Mr. Obama is a rank amateur AND a joke.

grumpy

Re: "Hardly, foreign assets are flowing into the U.S.

More like the majority of world leaders think that Mr. Obama is a rank amateur AND a joke."

The foriegn assests are coming because they trust the federal reserve, not the amateur sock puppet in office. Do Russian wealthy trust Russian gov't? Do wealthy French trust their gov't? England, japan, Greece, Italy, Ireland, Portugal? Germans might, but the countries whose wealthy trust theyr gov't is VERY limited.

deertracker

That must be why he is considered the leader of the free world. Just saw a story about your old stomping grounds pooh! Cabrini Green! LOL!

Contango

Re: "Cabrini Green! LOL!"

Progressive-socialist nonsense. Hope you enjoyed it. You foolish libs at work. lol

The area around University Village (Little Italy) has been gentrified.

deertracker

Snap out of it pooh. Were you one of the snipers picking off some of those progressive socialists? Free enterprise at it's finest!

Contango

Re: "Free enterprise"????

Quit watching documentaries on the Comedy Channel.

grumpy

As I stated they trust the Federal Reserve, not the sock puppet in office. I suggest you work on your reading comprehension, this is not the first time you have shown a lack in that area of communication.

Dr. Information

Hear the new one out of California? Barbara Lee D-Calif and a dozen other house democrats are claiming that global warming could drive women to prostitution and the sex trade business.

Wow, and we let people like this continue to run our country.

deertracker

Did you hear that on faux news?

Contango

Yea, I hate listening to right-wing weather reports don't you? lol

"The resolution, from Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) and a dozen other Democrats, says the results of climate change include drought and reduced agricultural output. It says these changes can be particularly harmful for women."

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-a...

Trust, but verify.

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The Hero Zone

Her explanation could neither be any more vague or unspecific. But, as many Ds seem to do what matters more is what's between your legs and not your ears. Instead of focusing on gender (which by many of the same party's efforts is increasingly irrelevant/mutable <--said neutrally) why not focus on what's best for all?

Maybe in her suggestion she should define what a "woman" is as well as specify other details such as...her entire explanation for her call.

Dr. Information

Deer gets his weather from kockgobblers.com.

donutshopguy

deer,

Did you just agree with me?

deertracker

When you're right, you're right.

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The Hero Zone

That's why I appreciate conversation with you, deertracker.

Darwin's choice

More from the morons.....

"On Friday, President Barack Obama is expected to announce his intention to create a "Climate Resilience Fund" that will cost taxpayers $1 billion.
"Weather practically everywhere is being caused by climate change," said Assistant to the President for Science and Technology John Holdren.
Last month, Holdren explained that the U.S. is cold because the planet is hot.
"If you've been hearing that extreme cold spells, like the one that we're having in the United States now, disprove global warming, don't believe it," said Holdren.
The new government program would be in addition to Obama's global warming initiative announced last June.
In comments to Politico, Matt Lehrich, White House spokesman, said President Barack Obama “is going to continue to make the case that climate change is already hurting Americans around the country and that it will only get worse for our children and grandchildren if we leave it for future generations to deal with.”
Obama is expected to announce his new global warming program in California today, as 49 out of 50 states experience snow and record-smashing cold temperatures."

How about it deertracker?
Coasterfan?
Big dog?

Anyone?

Dcfred20036

Here in the naked truth: in DC nobody cares about the deficit and the national debt, because the plan is to inflate it away over time. The Federal Reserve has already said that their goal is to devalue the Dollar 33% over the next few years. The gov borrows and spends the money at its current value and pays it back with devalued Dollars. And despite the public rhetoric, both political parties are in this fix!

grumpy

Precious metals (gold,silver, etc), gems, real estate, and hard assets are hedges for inflation. Why do you think China, India and others are buying and importing gold by the tons?

Darkhorse

And the Republicans roll over once again. No back bone whatsoever. They are useless.

Darwin's choice

+1000

grumpy

Tis why I haven't voted for a mainparty candidate for president for over a decade. We need more parties, more candidates more choices. Their is little difference in what the parties do. If you listen to them they are different but when they get into office, they do mostly the same as the guy before them did, and usually it is the wrong thing. More parties, more power in the states and less for the feds. Make real change instead of bumper stickers.

Dr. Information

At this point in the game, its smart to just let the Democrats sink on their ship. What good is holding out on a game you cannot win. The media, the president, and all the freeloaders are against you when you try to fix the problems plaguing this nation.

We are going to print, borrow and spend ourselves into one of 2 things: Another civil war, which will not end good for the citizens as any Democrat has proudly displayed they will use a drone on Americans at anytime. Or we will be going to a world currency that will not have enough gold, silver, platinum….heck horse crap to back it up. It will be the new age of digital currency where you really don't have anything but a digital display of your money and nothing to really hold onto.