Paul Ryan: Immigration legislation unlikely in '14

GOP's conservative base opposes any measure that creates pathway to citizenship for immigrants living here illegally
Associated Press
Feb 3, 2014

 

Days after House Republicans unveiled a roadmap for an overhaul of the nation's broken immigration system, one of its backers said legislation is unlikely to pass during this election year.

Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., said distrust of President Barack Obama runs so deep in the Republican caucus that he's skeptical the GOP-led House would pass any immigration measure. He said a plan that puts security first could only pass if lawmakers believe the administration would enforce it — an unlikely prospect given Republicans' deep opposition to Obama.

"This isn't a trust-but-verify, this is a verify-then-trust approach," Ryan said.

Last week, House Republicans announced their broad concerns for any immigration overhaul but emphasized they would tackle the challenge bill-by-bill. Immigration legislation is a dicey political question for the GOP. The party's conservative base opposes any measure that would create a pathway to citizenship for immigrants living here illegally, but many in the party worry that failing to act could drive many voters to Democratic candidates. In 2012, Obama won re-election with the backing of 71 percent of Hispanic voters and 73 percent of Asian voters. The issue is important to both blocs.

Republicans have preemptively been trying to blame the White House for immigration legislation's failure, even before a House bill comes together. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said "there's a lot of distrust of this administration in implanting the law." And Republican Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., last week warned that distrust of Obama would trump the desire to find a solution for the estimated 11 million people living in the United States illegally.

"We just don't think government will enforce the law anyway," Rubio said, recounting conversations he's had with fellow Republicans.

House Republicans are pushing a piecemeal approach to immigration that puts a priority on security before considering a pathway for those here illegally to earn citizenship. That strategy runs counter to a comprehensive bill, passed through the Senate seven months ago with bipartisan support, that includes a long and difficult pathway to citizenship.

The White House, meanwhile returned to its position that any legislation must include a way for those living here illegally to earn citizenship and that the system cannot divide Americans into two classes — citizens and noncitizens.

"We ought to see a pathway to citizenship for people," White House chief of staff Denis McDonough said Sunday. "We don't want to have a permanent separation of classes or two permanent different classes of Americans in this country."

Last week, Obama suggested that he's open to a legal status for immigration that falls short of citizenship, hinting he could find common ground with House Republicans.

"I'm going to do everything I can in the coming months to see if we can get this over the finish line," Obama said Friday.

Obama's flexibility was a clear indication of the president's desire to secure an elusive legislative achievement before voters decide in the fall whether to hand him even more opposition in Congress. Republicans are expected to maintain their grip on the House and have a legitimate shot at grabbing the majority in the Senate.

McDonough said the White House remains optimistic that legislation that includes citizenship could reach the president's desk: "We feel pretty good that we'll get a bill done this year."

Not so, countered Ryan, the GOP's vice presidential nominee in 2012.

"Here's the issue that all Republicans agree on: We don't trust the president to enforce the law," he added.

Asked whether immigration legislation would make its way to Obama for him to sign into law, Ryan said he was skeptical: "I really don't know the answer to that question. That is clearly in doubt."

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, a Republican and son of immigrants, said Congress needs to address the "completely backwards system" not because it's good politics for the GOP but because it's the right thing to do.

"If the president had been serious about this the last five years, we'd be further along in this discussion," Jindal said. "But I think it's also right the American people are skeptical."

Ryan spoke to ABC's "This Week." Cantor was interviewed on CBS' "Face the Nation." McDonough appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press" and CBS. Jindal spoke to CNN's "State of the Union."

 

Comments

coasterfan

And....once again the GOP strives to alienate people they need to attract in order to have even a fighting chance in 2016. Once again, it's not about doing what is right, it's about opposing everything and anything Obama proposes.

Makes me chuckle to hear Ryan try to blame Obama because something didn't get done, considering their stance for the past five years has been to stick a hand in his face and say no. "Do Nothing Congress", indeed.

Anybody paying attention knows the REAL reason the GOP doesn't want anything to get done with immigration before 2016: they know that the vast majority of immigrants granted amnesty will vote Democrat, due to the appalling anti-immigrant stance of the Republican Party.

In effect, they have chosen to make sure nothing gets done, instead of revising their platform to an immigrant-friendly stance in which those new citizens might actually vote for their candidates. Nothing new here - this is a party who has always opposed equal treatment towards minorities. The funny thing is, their old, angry white base is gradually becoming a minority.

Democrats win presidential elections because we are inclusive - we accept and appreciate people of all race/color/creed. Republicans, generally speaking only know how to accept people who are like them. They profess to love America, but oddly, seem to hate all Americans who aren't exactly like them. Practically everything they do is an attempt to stop or deny someone else from getting things they enjoy themselves. Deplorable...

Darwin's choice

Watch this 60 second video of the reason there is a problem to start with!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?fea...

What do you say about this know it all??

You two obamabots can BS all you want, obama is the problem.

grumpy

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The Big Dog's back

GOP, Grumpy Old (white) People.

Contango

Immigration reform is a red herring.

If the Dems REALLY cared, they could have passed legislation when they controlled the House and Senate.

But they didn't did they?

The Big Dog's back

No they couldn't. Stop pushing that lie.

PirateBacker1975

Thank you, Big Dog. The Repubs like to push the myth that the Democrats held a filibuster proof majority for two years, but in actuality they only held it for six months. Those six months weren't in a row, either (two months in the summer of '09 and then four months in late fall and into Feb. of '10).

Contango

Re: "they only held it for six months."

Begs the question: So why didn't the Dems pass immigration reform?

H*ll, they pulled the ACA outa their *ss in hurry didn't they?

grumpy

Re: "The Repubs like to push the myth that the Democrats held a filibuster proof majority for two years, but in actuality they only held it for six months. Those six months weren't in a row, either (two months in the summer of '09 and then four months in late fall and into Feb. of '10)."

Wrong again, but then I am used to having to point out facts about recent history to some of you on here. Paul Kirk was appointed Senator shortly after almost dead ted became finally dead ted. The office was unfilled for 1 month. end of August 09, to end of Sept 09.(search Paul Kirk and read his wiki, I won't bother to link to it)

Mostly dead ted could have resigned from office when it became obvious he would never return to the chamber and done away with all your handwringing about not having a 60 vote majority. If he had been more concerned about the country, mostly dead ted would have done so. You should blame finially dead ted for not doing the right thing. Mostly dead ted screwed the dims in the end again. They allowed him to drive the car across the bridge one last time, with similar results as the last time.

Donegan

What lie? The fact is they could have did it but instead pushed a broken healthcare bill that panders to campaign donors. Admit it, Their priorities were, Force citizens to buy insurance from private sellers first, Everything else second.

The Big Dog's back

Normal people love the new healthcare plan vs the no healthcare plan pushed by CONservatives.

SamAdams

On the contrary, even the majority of the uninsured are against Obamacare. Why? Because, contrary to the official name of the law, it isn't affordable for a lot of people. Why isn't it affordable? Because insurers are required to provide a laundry list of "free" stuff, and SOMEbody has to pay for it, never mind the cost to us ALL of the subsidies!

I won't argue that healthcare needed reform. But if the Democrats and Republicans alike weren't hip deep in lawyers, we would have got some REAL change for the better, such as tort reform. And if the Democrats and Republicans alike weren't beholden to various and sundry lobbyists, I'd be willing to bet we'd get a lot more fraud prevention (and prosecution) handled as well.

This plan is taking the best healthcare in the world and destroying it. Did some aspects need fixing? Yes. Is the government fixing it? Nope. It's breaking it still more. And you'll note that it's the Democrats ALONE that are to blame for THAT much of the mess!

The Big Dog's back

Tort reform? Really? Are you serious? Less than 1% of costs attributive to health insurance. C'mon, you can do better than that.

anthras

would you please cite the source for your less than 1% figure ????

rbenn

He read that in his See Dick Run books next to the toilet

anthras

bigdog Second request would you please cite your source for the less than 1% figure if you do have a source.

grumpy

Re: "REAL change for the better, such as tort reform. "

Off the top of my head add in buying insurance across state lines.pooling high risk folks and subsidizing those folks, doing away with pre existing conditions, being able to only take those options you need ( if you don't need prenatial or mental health care you don't pay for it, and other things you don't need you don't pay for), I'll let others add onto those few and it would be a start. I would let those who have some knowledge about the subject chime in with their suggestions. (want to bet on who won't/can't come up with any suggestions?)

SamAdams

There are those who will claim that Obamacare DOES pool high risk folks (the pool's not going well, surprise, surprise), and that the healthcare exchanges DO facilitate buying insurance across state lines (in theory, increasing competitiveness). The crux, though, is found in the latter part of your list of suggestions: Take only those options you need. It's all of the "free" stuff that's pumping up the premiums so high, and they'd be even higher if it weren't for the new multi-thousand dollar deductibles.

I heard an interesting interview with a former state governor (a Democrat, though I don't think that makes a difference in the argument). He said that states didn't like the "selling across state lines" deal because their insurance commissions couldn't set minimum standards for the state's residents. I disagree that that's a necessity (that's one of the biggest problems with Obamacare), but I suspect it's a point a LOT of states would agree with!

Donegan

http://www.gallup.com/poll/16679...
Gallup poll says different than what your god has said, Guess you still trust him after all the lies. Normal people don't.

anthras

bigdog says : "Normal people love the new healthcare plan "

Seems there a lot of adnormal persons out there especally the ones that have had their policy cancelled, paying higher premims, awarded with higher deductables, will now have the opportunity to choose a new doctor after losing their privuous doctor not to mention at least 2 of the largest labor unions that feel betrayed by Obama.

Of course there is another bright side as Ms. Fluke will not have to purchase any birth control products as they will be free no deductible. I do pay a 30.00 dollar deductible for my Plavix of course I do realize the Plavix is only to help me sustain life and is not nearly as paramount as her sex life. My hearing aids cost me $3000 and insurance does not cover that either.

Darwin's choice

And there they are!!!

The experts have spoken!

Batfan and mini-he, the two biggest know it nots on the planet!

All it takes to strike fear into them is mention anything obama, or Sarah Palin, and into the frenzy they go!

Trolls, go peddle your crap elsewhere.

OldRightWingNut

@BigDog

What lie is that? The Dems don't even trust that POS or POTUS as you call him.

The Big Dog's back

Yep, sh$t for brains bush was so much better.

OldRightWingNut

I can agree with you on one thing. Bush was a failure as President. He is lucky that the loser currently in office will be remembered as a bigger failure.

Contango

Not a big fan of Bill O'Reilly, but if you haven't seen his interview with Pres. Obama, you need to:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/31426...

Yea, the head of the IRS visited the WH 157 times and they NEVER once discussed how the ins. cos. were gonna get paid from a poorly designed website?

Nobody except the Obama admin. would be incompetent enough to launch a website without beta testing.

The Big Dog's back

Please, please watch the entire video and see billo get his arse handed to him. Hahahahahahahahhaha.

The Big Dog's back

And please, please keep up the hate towards Mexicans. Your base,grumpy old white people, is dying off.

rbenn

Ignorant black man, 2 can play this game burger boy, Your not a good subliminal racist, try harder cupcake

goofus

Republicans, generally speaking only know how to accept people who are like them. They profess to love America, but oddly, seem to hate all Americans who aren't exactly like them. Practically everything they do is an attempt to stop or deny someone else from getting things they enjoy themselves. Deplorable... What part of the word Illegal do you not comprehend!!!!!!!! Coasterfan is so loony

SKULLNBONES

Excuse me, wasn't Bush governor of Texas and then president when most of the illegals came in? And hasn't McCain been a senator from Arizona all these years? This problem was made by the GOP.

SamAdams

I'm not sure who actually CREATED the problem, but one thing's sure: NEITHER Republicans nor Democrats have bothered to enforce the most basic of Constitutional requirements, and that's securing the borders.

Darwin's choice

See my above post/link !!

You're exactly right! Enforce the existing laws!!

slightthroat212

This is so simple a child can figure it out. The Republican's don't want to fix it because it is a political hot potato and they can't stand doing ANYTHING that Obama presents or pushes. OBAMA can't stand to do anything with the Republican's if he has to compromise because of politics. This has been going on for five years now.

Face it folks, you can say this and that about both parties and who is right or wrong about one situation or another but this isn't going to change. A "lame duck president" is still a "lame duck" and that is what this has become. Face facts. Nothing is going to get done.

As for Obamacare, it started as a disaster, and I am afraid it will end as such. It IS expensive and it will get worse before it gets better. Look at the charts online and see for yourself. Go compair the rates and see for yourself then do some checking like I did. I couldn't afford it and I HAVE insurance.

We don't do what England and other socialized medicine countries did so Obamacare won't work here. Nice try but no soap.

When you get a President in there and it matches with the house and senate, then we will have progress. But not with this group. Someone has to go and I am afraid it is both the President and Vice President, and a great many senators and representatives who have stayed too long at the fair.

Peninsula Pundit

As is well known on these boards, I am not considered a republican. However, I fully support their position on illegal immigration.
We are a nation of immigrants, my grandparents among them.
However, these immigrants entered the country legally and worked toward citizenship promptly after arriving. Although largely uneducated, they worked hard to learn the language of this country and eagerly embraced their citizenship.
The illegal immigrants in this country should return to their homelands and apply for legal immigration, using the current process towards citizenship. We should allow a period for their departure and then enforce our immigration laws. This would provide real work for all these border patrol trucks whose major action thus far is providing funeral cortège services. The border patrol should send most of its' forces to the Southern border, where the problem is worse.This would also open up work for the many unemployed citizens of this country.

Darwin's choice

Great post.

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The Hero Zone

I agree, Peninsula.

mikesee

There is a legal way that has worked for a hundred years. Enforce the law and send the illegals home!

Contango

"OBAMA TO BILL O'REILLY: 'Of Course' You've Been Unfair To Me":

"You know, the truth of the matter is that when you look at some of my policies, in a lot of ways, Richard Nixon was more liberal than I was,"

- Pres. Obama, 2/2/14

Funny as H*LL how he compares his policies to those of Pres. Nixon!!!

Man is this guy a 'thin-skinned' drama queen. He expects to always have his *ss kissed.

http://www.businessinsider.com/o...

grumpy

doubled

grumpy

Re: ""You know, the truth of the matter is that when you look at some of my policies, in a lot of ways, Richard Nixon was more liberal than I was,"

I can agree thain many ways, obama is much the same as dickie. Two peas in a pod.

Contango

Re: "obama is much the same as dickie."

I agree that Pres. Nixon was liberal; I just find it funny that he would compare himself to the most disgraced POTUS in recent history.

grumpy

Re: "Obama is just happy to be compared to someone other than Jimmy Carter, the least economically gifted President... till now. Carter sends obama thank you cards from time to time whenever a new low is reached. Last on was for percentage of people in work force a few weeks ago.

Dr. Information

Don't worry. Even the immigrants wont have jobs in the next 5 years.

President Barack Obama's signature health-care law will contribute to this phenomenon, the CBO said, citing new estimates that the Affordable Care Act will cause a larger than-expected reduction in working hours—eliminating the equivalent of about 2.3 million workers in 2021 versus a previous estimate of an 800,000 decline.

"CBO estimates that the ACA will reduce the total number of hours worked, on net, by about 1.5 to 2 percent during the period from 2017 to 2024, almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor—given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive," said the report.

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The Hero Zone

A read for all to consider, and I post this without regard to my opinions (which I'll blather about after):

= = = = = = = = = =

http://www.truthorfiction.com/ru...

If you read anything today, read this.

AMERICAN SUICIDE
Wherever you stand, please take the time to
read this; it ought to scare the pants off you!

We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado (Democrat). In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Recently there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of America's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Davis Hansen talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California He said it would
march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too
self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country." History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict,
and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficult times with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together."
Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would! replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other- that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks
believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common Language and literature; and they worshiped the same Gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty! Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum"
-- from many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'Pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America assuredly as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bi-lingual/bicultural country, having established multiculturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book "Mexifornia." His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing
as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path especially The American Dream. If you care for and love our country as I do, take the time to pass this on just as I did for you.

NOTHING is exactly what will happen if you don't!

The Big Dog's back

What's your point sappy?

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The Hero Zone

The point to me posting this is that as a society, not enforcing assimilation nor other features that are inherent in our current system but not enforced will balkanize us as a society and only bring tension and ruin. There should be a central ideal, and through that a language, that should facilitate the population to bring us together. It is also proof that I don't blanket-hate/disagree with Democrats as this speech resounded with me.

The above isn't the stereotypical "beer-drinking, gun-toting, 'MURRICA!" kind of person that may come to your mind. People can have their own interests, languages, and cultures, but it isn't the job of the government to embrace others' cultures and force them on other people nor to give them a pass on learning our history, the English language which is the language of our laws, nor a set of skills needed to be a functioning member of society.

The fact that anyone who can manage to birth a child over our border and have it be a citizen makes this place unique in that I believe only the U.S. and Canada have such laws (which should be amended, I think we have successfully accounted for all the slaves in the wake of the Civil War). Mix that with "chain migration" where, lo and behold, family members of citizens get priority in being drawn into citizenship makes our system wonky and unfair toward skilled, literate individuals who wish to come here for opportunity to succeed.

I am all for "reform", but without addressing our Constitution, sealing the southern border, implement better visa-holder tracking, the fact we have a President who chooses which immigration laws he wants to enforce, cities that defy federal law by being harbors, etc. we're just urinating in the wind by all these platitudes and special-snowflake treatments. On top of that, excluding the thousands of educated, literate, and legal immigrants who went through proper channels to wait for citizenship, what will adding millions of more citizens do to our already fragile economy?

I'm not even just harping on the stereotype of swelling welfare programs that citizens are provided and into which little if any taxes are collected to refill. Are we so rife with jobs that need filled that we can breed enough babies to fill them? Do we have absolutely nothing else going on in our country, especially economically, that all other issues must be put on the backburner to address a system that is supposedly broken but hasn't even been enforced? There are already many "pathways to citizenship" that exist. Why don't we get our trashy house in order first before we adopt more kids? That's fair for EVERYONE - legal or not.

I just think that there is a growing perception that being a legal citizen (or even legal immigrant awaiting official status) anymore now makes you a second-class-citizen in your own country with the treatments, platitudes, discounts, and ignored laws that are offered to those here illegally.

This issue really gets under my skin not because it riles me up in a xenophobic way, but because I care about humanity and laws that work for everyone, not just a minuscule portion of (non) citizens.

Little Giant

Anybody remember what Reagan the Great did about immigration?