1 million and counting

Federal health market surpasses 1 million signups.
Associated Press
Dec 29, 2013

 

A December surge propelled health care sign-ups through the government's rehabilitated website past the 1 million mark, the Obama administration said Sunday, reflecting new vigor for the problem-plagued federal insurance market.

Combined with numbers for state-run markets due in January, that should put total enrollment in the new private insurance plans under President Barack Obama's health law at about 2 million people through the end of the year, independent experts said.

That would be about two-thirds of the administration's original goal of signing up 3.3 million by Dec. 31, a significant improvement given the technical problems that crippled the federal market during much of the fall. The overall goal remains to enroll 7 million people by March 31.

"It looks like current enrollment is around 2 million despite all the issues," said Dan Mendelson, CEO of Avalere Health, a market analysis firm. "It was a very impressive showing for December."

The administration said that of the more than 1.1 million people now enrolled in the federal insurance exchange, nearly 1 million signed up in December. The majority came days before a pre-Christmas deadline for coverage to start in January. Compare that with a paltry 27,000 in October, the federal website's first, error-prone month.

"We experienced a welcome surge in enrollment as millions of Americans seek access to affordable health care coverage," Marilyn Tavenner, the head of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, said in a blog post announcing the figures.

The numbers don't represent a full accounting for the country.

The federal website serves 36 states. Yet to be reported are December results from the 14 states running their own sites. Overall, states have been signing up more people than the federal government. But most of that has come from high performers such as California, New York, Washington, Kentucky and Connecticut. Some states continue to struggle.

Still, the end-of-year spike suggests that the federal insurance marketplace is starting to pull its weight. The windfall comes at a critical moment for Obama's sweeping health care law, which becomes "real" for many Americans on Jan. 1 as coverage through the insurance exchanges and key patient protections kick in.

The administration's concern now shifts to keeping the momentum going for sign-ups, and heading off problems that could arise when people who've already enrolled try to use their new insurance.

"They've got the front end of the system working really well," said insurance industry consultant Robert Laszewski. "Now we can move on to the next question: Do people really want to buy this?" He also estimated 2 million will probably be enrolled this year.

The fledgling insurance exchanges are online markets for subsidized private coverage. Obama needs millions of mostly younger, healthy Americans to sign up to keep costs low for everyone. Open enrollment runs until the end of March.

Tavenner said fixes to the website, overhauled to address widespread technical problems, contributed to December's figures. But things haven't totally cleared up. Thousands of people wound up waiting on hold for telephone help on Christmas Eve for a multitude of reasons, including technical difficulties.

"We have been a little bit behind the curve," acknowledged Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, whose state has the highest proportion of uninsured residents.

"Obamacare is a reality," conceded one of the law's opponents, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., who as House oversight committee chairman has been investigating the rollout problems. However, he predicted it will only pile on costs.

"The fact that people well into the middle class are going to get subsidies is going to cause them to look at healthcare...sort of in a Third World way of do we get subsidies from the government for our milk, for our gasoline and, oh, by the way, for our healthcare," said Issa.

For consumers who successfully selected one of the new insurance plans by Dec. 24, coverage should start on New Year's Day. That's provided they pay their first month's premium by the due date, extended until Jan. 10 in most cases.

But insurers have complained that another set of technical problems, largely hidden from consumers, has resulted in the government passing along inaccurate data on enrollees. With a flood of signups that must be processed in just days, it remains unclear whether last-minute enrollees will encounter a seamless experience if they try to use their new benefits come Jan. 1.

The White House says the error rate has been significantly reduced, but the political fallout from website woes could pale in comparison with the heat that Obama might take if Americans who signed up and paid their premiums arrive at the pharmacy or the emergency room and find there's no record of their coverage.

Officials are also working to prevent gaps in coverage for at least 4.7 million Americans whose individual policies were canceled this fall because they fell short of the law's requirements. The administration has said that even if those individuals don't sign up for new plans, they won't face the law's tax penalty for remaining uninsured.

A few states offering their own updates have posted encouraging totals, including New York, where more than 200,000 have enrolled either through the state exchange or through Medicaid, a government program expanded under Obama's health law to cover more people. In California, a tally released Friday showed nearly 430,000 have enrolled through the exchange so far.

Castro and Issa spoke on NBC's "Meet The Press."

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Alonso-Zaldivar reported from Washington. Reach Josh Lederman at http://twitter.com/joshledermanAP

 

Comments

8ballinthesidepocket

How many of these free loaders are we psying for?

The Big Dog's back

Before Obamacare, all of them.

Darwin's choice

Your un-intelligence is remarkable.

Bottom Line

Indeed it is.. ***slurp slurp***

anthras

bigdog Re: Before Obamacare, all of them.

The MSM advises of different figures mostly they are saying that around 3million cancellations have been issued since Obamacare ergo they were paying for their own insurance and were able to see the dr. of their choice.

Many of the 1+ million that have signed up were placed into medicaid paid for by the tax payers and if you do the math you should be able to determine more persons were cancelled than have signed up leaving even more uninsured persons to stick it to the hospitals leaving even more for all of us to pay higher premiums to cover. Not to mention several million persons that were working 40 hours per week with a health care coverage that are now working 28 hours per week with no health care coverage.Even if they were able to keep the health coverage they are now working and receiving pay for 12 less hours per week.

Persons will now be paying an Obamacare tax on their healthcare coverage and most companies are just adding the tax to the premium with most persons not aware of the tax. Blue Cross of Alabama has announced that they will itemize the additional tax and fees so their insureds will be aware that they will be paying the tax.

coasterfan

Actually BigDog is 100% correct. Before Obamacare, we ALL paid for the health care expenses for the millions of uninsured Americans, via higher insurance premiums? Luckily, Obamacare forces the uninsured to purchase their OWN coverage, so that we don't have to. Since Republicans are always talking about the need for personal responsibility, I'm sure you must be in favor of Obamacare, as are we Democrats, correct?

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The Hero Zone

Your second sentence seems like universal health to me. Who pays for the care in those systems? Especially if we accept the premise I presume you are using in that any expense a hospital can't collect on is paid directly by the government via our pockets. If it is the case that you think you pay for someone else because a hospital writes off the cost and uses it to offset taxes that are presumably (not actually) owed (that is the only way I can seem to bring a reason why I keep reading this tagline over and over) then we actually should either ban under penalty any/all charity medical work or require hospitals to pay taxes on what the government says it owes instead of actual numbers so that it is always collecting no matter the business.

That pretty much takes care of the problem right there. Unless I am wrong about why you pay for someone else's care directly? Though suppose we were. Suppose that I go to Firelands, get treated, and flip the billing department the bird while I walk out all fixed up. This (somehow) leaves you holding the bill for me. As I asked before, isn't that universal health care already? Who pays for care in that paradise I hear that we need to embrace? We apparently are moving away from it now BECAUSE of the ACA!

Also, I presume you are aware of the words you write. That being said I take major issue with a core support you have with this program. For others who may be reading I'll narrow it down:

"Luckily, Obamacare forces the uninsured to purchase their OWN coverage, so"

See it yet? Let's keep going.

"Obamacare forces the uninsured to purchase their"

Getting warmer.

"forces the uninsured to purchase"

I could stop there, but...

"forces"

DING, DING, DING! There we have it. Can't say we have a winner because this is actually disturbing to read from an enlightened person (non-sarcastic, you earned your teaching degree for a reason) who primarily supports a party that is supposed to REJECT this especially from those on the right who want to impose their morals on others that they know NONE of their life circumstances!

What else should the government - luckily - "force" us to do? How else can our lives be forced into a behavior by someone who isn't you THINKS you should live based on...statistics? Predictions? Please, as you support a system that knows better than its participants while being ran by those same participants, tell me how I should live my life out of one side of a post and condemn others (I'll invoke thinkagain here as I doubt he minds being seen as a nemesis to liberal-minded people - nothing personal thinkagain but I doubt you and coasterfan are very close) who do the same with the other.

Isn't that schizophrenic?! Delusional? That one group can apparently predict with 100% accuracy the personal lives, decisions, influences, and circumstances of a diverse population of over three hundred and ten million citizens? Where am I on your list, as it knows better than me what I should be doing and how I should live. I'd like to see it unless it is all just a part of a mass-hallucination?

Geeze oh Pete. I think my cheeks flushed red writing this. Though I hope you're taking it as a civil discourse.

I guess I'll end this by saying simply personal responsibly does NOT equal forcibly-compelled action. If that was the case then every single person in North Korea absolutely and unquestioningly adores their dictator because they took the responsibility of hanging his family's picture in their homes that are subject to examination.

Clearly being forced by the government by methods that could include execution or multi-generational "loyalty" tracking has nothing to do with them being responsible citizens who hang the pictures on a completely voluntary basis.

Darwin's choice

Great post.

Is this coasterfan??
http://easttexas.craigslist.org/...

Contango

No. He just enjoys walking behind it while it's operating.

Says it smells like roses.

Stop It

Don't try and make sense with thinkagain without bullet points and personal experience, HZ. He is incapable of basic understanding unless his bible tells him so, somewhere in it.

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thinkagain

I love me some liberals and atheists! Just like shootin’ fish in a barrel!

The Big Dog's back

sappy, if you want to pay for other peoples healthcare, have at it.

Contango

Re: "if you want to pay for other peoples healthcare,"

With the progressive-socialist wingnuts you have and you will.

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The Hero Zone

Who pays for care in a single payer system, I am curious? Apparently not "us". I already proposed a solution that would meet the demands of yours and coaster's preferences: ban under legal and financial penalty any and all charity medical service. Make it illegal to treat people who can't pay and your dreams of "financial responsibility" will come true. There, no need for a three thousand page bill that spawned 27,000 more pages of regulation. No billion dollar, no-bid contract websites.

mikesee

You are so wrong coaster. Haven't you heard of the word subsidy floated around in the healthcare news. The taxpayer is paying for these plans for those that can't afford them. It is called subsidizing, coaster.

FTFOI

The way I read it is 5,000 of my 12,900 goes toward those who can not afford it. Obama is fulfilling his promise and spreading the wealth.
Next I will let my house forclose, quit my job, divorce my wife, move into an apartment and collect food stamps and free health care. all while letting the wealthy pay for my apartment. Then I can retire early. No need to work if Obama is going to just give it to me. Working is over rated anyway.

swiss cheese kat

Democrats Still in Denial on 0-bamacare Failure.

mikesee

I once signed up for a 5k race. Did not run it. Does that still count in the total number of runners?

Sign ups don't mean a thing until they actually make a payment.

coasterfan

Sign ups mean they want insurance, and it's a given that they know what the cost will be, since they get to choose the amount of coverage and cost. If a few default, that would not be the fault of Obamacare, any more than it would be the fault of an auto dealership if someone buys a car and doesn't make payments.

Why complain about something that hasn't happened yet, and something highly unlikely to occur in any significant numbers?

mikesee

They only know of the tainted cost at the time of the signup. New fees are set to happen in 2014 which will increase the cost of these plans.

Dr. Information

and again and again in subsequent years mikesee.

formeremployee

The govt. isn't forcing people to buy cars. If the govt. forces people to purchase health insurance that the people cannot afford, it is the fault of Obamacare if they default.

YoMamma

I signed up to be a millionaire!

SamAdams

There are more "freeloaders" now than ever. Between those who lost coverage, those who can't afford the higher premiums under the "Affordable" Care Act, those who suddenly realized they can sign up for Medicaid instead, and all of those 25 and 26 year-old "children" who remain on Mom and Dad's plan instead of being a young-and-healthy subscriber, well...but hey, at least Obamacare killed a bunch of jobs, too!

coasterfan

Nope. Every person who signs up for Obamacare is one less person for whom we - you and I - had to pay for 100% of their health costs via higher premiums. You don't actually think that hospitals were treating the uninsured for free, did you? At least now, they have to cover a portion of their medical expenses, not to mention their care will be less expensive, since they won't be forced to go to the ER for everything.

Contango

Re: "Every person who signs up for Obamacare is one less person for whom we - you and I - had to pay for 100% of their health costs via higher premiums."

STILL payin' about 60% of it.

Two words: Federal subsidies.

swiss cheese kat

Democrats Still in Denial on 0-bamacare Failure.

Northstar

Only issue is applied and accepted to a plan, but cannot find a way to pay. Plus a bunch of bigger issues they did not think about prior to giving subsidies regarding custodial parenting orders , family courts are going to be even more over run now. Each parent will get fined every year because of the alternating tax exemptions vs who is the custodial parent they live with. It is a mess.

This is only one situation....They also forget that this month was the largest month for layoffs or job losses and people are scrambling now to get insurance, next month will be worse since seasonal will be gone and budget cuts for companies will take effect. Dec through Feb are usually open enrollment in companies, somewhere out there I read the Big 3- UHC, Med Mutual and Blue Cross had up to 50% reduction in company sponsored plans, meaning open enrollment will not exist coming up from Dec - Feb, people do not even know and are waiting to find out and smaller companies and individuals are scrambling now also. The thing is a mess.

The website is the worst I have ever seen, no rule based enforcement in the questionaire as you start your application. You can tell by the questions being asked what is important, do you have kids, are they yours, do you claim someone else, do these people have relationship between themselves. The entire thing is guided to people who have children living with them whom also have their own children, and others living with them not their family; which they can claim and get an exemption for looks like...who knows, does not explain it at all......like my 2 yr old can have income to provide the household with..ridiculous. I call June of this year when penalties start flying out....this will all become a bigger mess....so what happens...IRS will be after you with a 50% penalty on top of what you took as a subsidy...and then they will take you house and land to repay that.

ladydye_5

They signed up, did they pay?

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JMOP

Guess that extra day helped to get those false numbers up. This is bogus!

Darwin's choice

How about this obamabots....

The Iowa Department of Human Services (DHS) warned the citizens of Iowa who have applied for Obamacare using the federal health care portal to try, try again, using the websites or call center. Nearly 16,000 Iowans whose applications are currently in limbo are going to receive emails and letters from DHS.

"Federal officials told the Iowans that more time would be necessary to process the Iowa citizens’ applications from HealthCare.gov.

DHS Director Charles M. Palmer asserted, "We are working hard to ensure that Iowans who applied through HealthCare.gov will be enrolled in health coverage. We are encouraging Iowans who applied at the federal portal to reapply through our state website and call center. We will make every effort to process applications in a timely manner so that these Iowans can have certainty about their health care coverage." "

This monumental failure should result in obama's impeachment!

And, aren't they about 16 million behind what they've needed?

More lies...

__________________

coasterfan

Seriously? You think this is impeach-worthy? Did you even read the article? Here, let me summarize. The website is fixed, and the number of people who have successfully signed up has grown exponentially, and continues to grow. Look, we didn't impeach Bush for ignoring pre 9/11 warnings, nor for lying about WMDs, so no one is going to impeach Obama for something that Congress passed, the Supreme Court upheld, and for which Obama got re-elected. Sorry to break the news to you, but Obamacare is working. By 2016, this discussion will be moot, as it will be obvious that it was the right thing to do for America and Americans.

Contango

Re: "Obamacare is working."

If it's "working" then how do you explain the 15-16 executive ordered mandate procedural delays?

Darwin's choice

"Seriously" You idiot, there are an encyclopedia of charges that should be brought up against the failure in chief. He's gotten away with enough crap to make Richard Nixon look like the saint he is! And your pathetic statement about WMD has been proven over and over to have been democrat supported. And, Stevie Wonder can see that obamacare is a failure, your stupidity and blatant disregard for the people of the United States with your constant cheerleading is alarming. I fear for the students you've brainwashed, if you really were/are a teacher.

There you go again

And who is paying for the subsidies so that these "folks" can get insurance?!
And who is gonna pay for these "folks" when they have to pay their $5000 deductible?!?!

The answer is the same for both questions, yep, it is You and Me.

And you are telling us that Obamacare is working?!?! Working on what?

mikesee

It is working so well the Harry Reid exempted any and all of his staffers from signing up! Working real good.

swiss cheese kat

Flagged for off-topic bull$h1t.

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The Hero Zone

October 17, 2008 - CBS

Hawaii is dropping the only state universal child health care program in the United States just seven months after it launched.

Gov. Linda Lingle's administration cited budget shortfalls and other available health care options for eliminating funding for the program.

A state official said families were dropping private coverage so their children would be eligible for the subsidized plan.

"People who were already able to afford health care began to stop paying for it so they could get it for free," said Dr. Kenny Fink, the administrator for Med-QUEST at the Department of Human Services. "I don't believe that was the intent of the program."

State officials said Thursday they will stop giving health coverage to the 2,000 children enrolled by Nov. 1, but private partner Hawaii Medical Service Association will pay to extend their coverage through the end of the year without government support.

"We're very disappointed in the state's decision, and it came as a complete surprise to us," said Jennifer Diesman, a spokeswoman for HMSA, the state's largest health care provider. "We believe the program is working, and given Hawaii's economic uncertainty, we don't think now is the time to cut all funding for this kind of program."

Hawaii lawmakers approved the health plan in 2007 as a way to ensure every child can get basic medical help. The Keiki (child) Care program aimed to cover every child from birth to 18 years old who didn't already have health insurance - mostly immigrants and members of lower-income families.

State health officials argued that most of the children enrolled in the universal child care program previously had private health insurance, indicating that it was helping those who didn't need it.

The U.S. is one of the few western countries that does not have universal health care, although many states have government programs to help parents cover their children.

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Not sure if the spam filter will catch me here so just visit the below for an article that has even more information:

nypost .com /2008 /10 /27 / hawaiis-hard-health-care-lesson/

I guess the two week long vacation in Hawaii is actually a business trip to discover why his home state wasn't able to sustain a program on good intentions alone. It's that dumb real life/economic consequences that keep getting in the way.

Much like Scooby-Doo villains, these legislators would get away with it if it wasn't for those pesky kids.

Contango

Also in the news -

"Hawaii 'Return To Home' Program Will Pay To Fly Homeless People Back To The Mainland "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...

Gotta luv those 'compassionate' liberals. lol

FTFOI

What they are not specifying is how many of them were medicade people who had until Dec. 23 to choice a plan or one would be chosen for them.

Don S

People are like pool tables. Their brains are in the side pockets and they only take them out to play with them !!!!!!

vicariouslyAlive

I think one thing most people are missing is the numbers game... which really is the funniest part....

The number 1 million, or, 1,000,000 seems like a pretty big number right? Well, when you put on the board against current population projection numbers of citizens in the united states and the amount of illegals that get the free health care just for signing up, 1 million people out of around 400,000,000 people in population... that's the same as 1 penny from 4 dollars worth of coins.

All of a sudden 1 million doesn't look too large...

BabyMomma

Obamacare is a joke. Is the Kool Aid grape or strawberry? And do you idiots drink it, or sniff lines of it?

Dr. Information

40 million uninsured people. Well make that closer to 50 million once people lost their plans due to Obamacare. So they have 1 million "INTERESTED" people who haven't even paid a dime yet. Wow, setting records.

Until 30+ million people are signed up and paying, then Obamacare is nothing less than a failure.

grumpy

One million people signed up for health insurance under obamascare, 5 million people lost their health insurance because it didn't meet obamascare coverage requirements. Seems to me we now have 4 million more people who don't have healthcare insurance. The gov't claims this as a proof that obamascare is working. Count me as someone who is glad that gov't isn't in charge of feeding the people... yet.

anthras

in addition to the millions of cancellations what about the millions that did not receive a cancellation but went from 40 pay with a health plan that allowed them to see their dr. to being regulated to part time 28 hours pay with no healthcare. Now they must obtain their own health care and have 12 hours less pay per week to do it.

AJ Oliver

civilized countries have health care plans that cover everyone. The right wing in the U.S. (which includes some Dems), has been blocking common sense reforms for over a century. The discussion here has mostly a laughable lack of international perspective. And, oh yeah, it's a coward's game to engage in anonymous name-calling.

Contango

Re: "civilized countries have health care plans that cover everyone."

A specious argument since those countries have mostly small homogenous populations.

To cover the U.S. with a single payer no out of pocket plan and it's approx. 320 million people with it’s diversity of cultures and races would be the equivalent of covering the entire European Union with a single payer plan.

Call up The Bernank and have him print another few trillion dollars in order to cover the costs.

IMO, a HDHP with an HSA for everyone is a debate worth having.

BabyMomma

How the heII do I know if that's your real name? I could make a name that is A.J. Oliver, And boom, I'm AJ Oliver as well.

Contango

Re: "The right wing in the U.S. (which includes some Dems), has been blocking common sense reforms for over a century."

And the progressive-collectivists won't be satisfied until all health and welfare programs are financially and procedurally secured under their control.

THEY in their infinite wisdom know what's best for everyone.

Unfortunately the progressive-socialists fail to acknowledge the contributions of autocratic strongman Otto von Bismark who began the modern day state controlled health and welfare movement.

Apparently life is better under a "kinder & gentler" form of tyranny.

As is said: The road to H*ll is paved with good intentions.

mikesee

And the base tax rate for those countries which EVERY person has to pay with NO tax refunds is around 47%. Like to see that work here!

Contango

Re: "47%"

Good point.

Also, countries like Germany are net exporters and not large domestic consumer cultures.

Since 70% of U.S. GDP is based on consumption, a tax increase would harm our economy as it currently stands.

We are a nation of spenders.

swiss cheese kat

Flagged for off-topic bull$h1t.

SamAdams

Let's take a quick break from the celebration to look at some numbers.

According to the government, about 30 million people were without health insurance coverage. Now, thanks to Obamacare, about six million people (so far) have LOST their health insurance coverage. Two million (if you believe government numbers — I don't, but what the heck?) have signed up for insurance under Obamacare (they haven't paid, so they're not covered, but again, what the heck?). So, thanks to Obamacare, there's a net LOSS of four million!

Wow. What an AWESOME program! If we applied this methodology to jobs or the economy, we could see unemployment hit 20% and the country would be bankrupt! You go, Obama! (Preferably, go AWAY...)

Contango

Re: "So, thanks to Obamacare, there's a net LOSS of four million!"

A camel is a horse designed and built by committee.

mikesee

To bad the caption isn't on here. I saw this in another paper that had the caption. The girl on the left is a customer who is high fiving a person that just signed her up for ACA. According to the caption it only took 1.5 hours to do it! Yep, working real well!

Contango

When all is said and done, Mr. Obama OWNS PolitiFact's 2013 "Lie of the Year."

"If you like your health care plan, you can keep it."

It's the phrase that will be like a stone around the necks of the Dems who repeated it leading up to the 2014 mid-term elections.

http://www.politifact.com/oregon...

mikesee

The BIG question is just how many of the sign-ups are healthy? In all probability the majority of the enrollees are probably not healthy. Unless an influx of healthy people sign up to offset costs the premiums will esculate in a hurry.

SamAdams

Don't know about healthy vs. unhealthy, but the age is skewed older than "desireable," and the majority have signed up for Medicaid NOT regular health insurance. Like I said, AWESOME program!

Contango

Why is the inequity of paying with after-tax dollars for individual health coverage on the exchanges, while continuing to allow corps., businesses & union trusts to deduct the cost of employee health care premiums (before tax dollars) not being addressed ???

Why isn't the market value of covered employees' and retirees' health and welfare benefits being taxed on an individual basis?

Sen. McCain suggested this in '08 and got skewered for it.

This income tax inequity is largely payback for Pres. Obama's union buddies.

SamAdams

Better yet, why don't we just institute the Fair Tax? Oh, wait. That might actually be, you know, less complicated; impossible to cheat on; result in LOWER tax liabilities for almost all of us (especially those who can least afford it), and be, you know, FAIR!

Obamacare is going to tax most of us into oblivion. And when we HIT oblivion, the progressives will say, "Oh, my gosh, we TRIED the free market, it didn't work, so now we'll go to single payer," and we can all look forward to 50% (or higher) taxes here, too. Can't wait.

Contango

coasterfan writes:

"no one is going to impeach Obama for something that Congress passed, the Supreme Court upheld, and for which Obama got re-elected."

Prohibition was passed by Congress AND the States, upheld by SCOTUS and was ultimately undone.

Impeachment fear is Dem propaganda.

After the Repubs take the Senate and retain Congress, Mr. Obama will be a TRUE lame duck president. Little need to bother with impeachment.

Donegan

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/progr...
The case is being made for impeachment for abuse of power and using what amounts to a line item veto.

Contango

"If 2013 Was Hard on Obamacare, Just Wait for 2014" (Bloomberg):

"First, some of Obamacare’s least popular provisions go into effect in 2014. This includes a new $60 billion tax on health insurers, which will be levied relative to premiums collected and directly passed on to consumers."

"Second, millions of Americans who buy their coverage on the individual market or get it through small employers will be shocked by just how much their premiums go up in 2014."

"Third, not only will millions of Americans on the individual and small group markets who like their plans be unable to keep them in 2014, but many will experience what it’s like to be unable to continue seeing the doctors they know and trust."

"Finally, Obamacare’s Medicare cuts will continue to hurt senior citizens. For the 14 million people enrolled in the Medicare Advantage program, the ACA’s $200 billion in cuts over the next 10 years will accelerate in 2014 and have tangible impacts on beneficiaries."

Good luck Dems in 2014!

The Big Dog's back

These right wingnuts are funny. Like a circular firing squad.

Contango

Re: "These (snip)"

Thanks for the news from Bizarro World.

Darwin's choice

Kinda like the circle you make licking your azz?

And you still won't get the taste of obama out of your mouth....

Bottom Line

As usual the pooch ignores and sidesteps all the facts and gives an idiotic comment. Typical.

swiss cheese kat

So true.

Donegan

I wonder, Will you change your name again to avoid the shame of failure after Obamacare fails or will you wait to Obama leaves? A hint for you:Change your name now and avoid the rush.

Donegan

I wonder, Will you change your name again to avoid the shame of failure after Obamacare fails or will you wait to Obama leaves? A hint for you:Change your name now and avoid the rush.

swiss cheese kat

Flagged for off-topic bull$h1t.

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The Hero Zone

Ok, that's it. You've forced my hand Big Dog. I didn't want to do this but I must.

I WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER THE SANDUSKY REGISTER'S GUILD OF EVIL CONSERVATIVES! SECRET IDENTITY ROLE CALL!

Contango, Nemesis, grumpy, SamAdams, Darwin's choice, swiss cheese kat, Dr. Information, Stop It, 2cents, thinkagain, mikesee, and donutshopguy (I know there are more and sorry for not listing everyone because there's a lot of us).

All here? Good. Now we need to set aside our plans about how we actively plot to literally destroy the environment and actually infect babies with disease to discuss an urgent matter that has come to light. Yes, this means more than our current project of overtly practicing racist and sexist law writing (referring in this case to Proposition 81 "Keep Everyone Who Isn't a Rich, Male W.A.S.P. Unemployed Act").

It seems we have a spy in our midst! Yes, yes settle down. Save the harrumphing for the end.

After having been a part of this group for about a year now I have come to the conclusion that The Big Dog's Back is actually a Republican plant. A spy, as it were. My evidence? There is no way that a Democrat could actually say and think the things he does if they are the party of compassion, people, etc. Look at his patterns of behavior over time and you will see that there can be no possible other explanation other than he is a Republican operative attempting to discredit the Democratic Party with his comments.

Like you, I have had the pleasure of meeting and conversing with liberals who can hold a conversation and make points even if they are ones upon which we disagree. However, and the reason I bring this up before the Guild, is that this spy is discrediting those who attempt to reason their different ideas. This poses a threat to our society and we can't stand for it because only WE are supposed to bring civilization to the brink of collapse. For what other reason does our Guild of Evil Conservatives exist?

So, I beseech you all to levy a verdict against Big Dog. He is not only threatening our job of telling other people what to do with their lives and making broad-brush strokes against society, but he is also actively committing espionage and subterfuge against a political party with which we may yet reason.

The Republicans are all but lost to us (a husk of a party, really, save for some scrapings at the bottom of the barrel), but the Democrats are an untapped reserve of potential that WE need to irresponsibly pollute and drill into like we do with every energy exploration we undertake. Big Dog is spoiling the Democrats before we can get to them!

So is he a spy/saboteur? If so, how do we deal with him as the Guild of Evil Conservatives?

The Big Dog's back

sappy, you've out did yourself this time.

Darwin's choice

Neuter the dog......!

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thinkagain

I really would like to help, but I’ll have to make it quick. My hateful, bigoted, judgmental efforts to bring light to a dark world takes up much of my time.

Deep down inside he knows he’s a sick puppy and that we destroy his arguments again and again.

If he is a Republican operative, he’s doing a bang up job at typifying the brain-dead liberal.

Consider the possibility big dog is manipulating human responses, positioning himself for the eventual take over by those like him.

Already his hidden agenda has successfully infiltrated our Highest Office.

Through Obama’s failed leadership, this country is going to the dogs.

I give him kudos for his apropos choice of pseudonym, after all, debating him is as intellectually rewarding as a conversation with the family dog.

Minuteman

Only those who are clueless signed up to be fleeced. I think they were rounded up with propaganda and are all signing up on a whim. Just like the presidential elections, voting with no idea of what's going on. Most have no idea it will cost them anything, they have been told it'll be free for them. The evil rich will pay for them. I also think many of those names are falsified. Let's see an alphabetical list, you'll be surprised at all the names that are nearly identical. I'm not buying this story of working Americans all getting on board Obamacare. It's those with no income that are signing up for a freebie.

Dr. Information

Can they just hand out the turd of the year award to Obamacare already? Going to be hard to top that with one day left.

Contango

"Change Is Obamacare's Only Certainty" (Bloomberg):

"Sometime after March 31 -- probably not very far after -- I would expect the administration to announce that after careful thought, it has decided not to enforce the individual mandate for 2014."

Geez, where would this legislative monstrosity be without all of Pres. Obama's numerous emergency patches?

I guess that Nancy had to pass it, so Barack could find out how scr*wed up it was.

Emperor Obama:

I don't...uh...need no...er...Congressional approval to...ah...change this law. It's...ah...named after me isn't it?

donutshopguy

.003 of 1% of the people in the United States are signed up. Success……you have got to be kidding me.

Contango

Using the Obama Admin.'s logic, the Browns had a winning season.

Darwin's choice

LOL....Again!!!!

grumpy

From the Wall Street Journal:

"On health care, President Obama oversaw a disastrous and, sadly, dishonest launch of his signature achievement. The president gave an exception to employers, but not to individuals, without any legal basis, and made other adjustments according to his whim. Even more troubling was his message over the past three years that if you like your plan, you can keep it, and that if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. We now know that the administration was aware that these claims were false, yet Mr. Obama continued to make them, repeatedly.

In 2014, millions of Americans will likely discover that the president's claim that the average family will save $2,500 on health insurance was equally disconnected from reality.

The president apologized in part for his statements, but his actions reveal the extent to which he has conformed to, rather than challenged, the political culture that as a presidential candidate he vowed to reform.

The culture that Mr. Obama campaigned against, the old kind of politics, teaches politicians that repetition and "message discipline"—never straying from using the same slogans and talking points—can create reality, regardless of the facts. Message discipline works if the goal is to win an election or achieve a short-term political goal. But saying that something is true doesn't make it so. When a misleading message ultimately clashes with reality, the result is dissonance and conflict. In a republic, deception is destructive. Without truth there can be no trust. Without trust there can be no consent. And without consent we invite paralysis, if not chaos."

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Pretty much sums it up.
I would have linked article but the spam filter won't accept links again today. If you wist to read entire article copy and paste into a search engine.

grumpy

From the Wall Street Journal:
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The Big Dog's back

WSJ = rupert murdock = no credibility.

Contango

So when Pres. Obama, Al Gore or other progressives write an opinion piece for the WSJ it's not credible?

The Big Dog's back

It's an OPINION piece.

Contango

Re: "It's an OPINION piece."

So in Bizarro World, when Pres. Obama, Al Gore and other progressives write an "OPINION piece" for the WSJ it's not CREDIBLE.

Got it!

Google:

"A Manifesto for Sustainable Capitalism" by Al Gore

"Toward a 21st-Century Regulatory System" by Barack Obama

Both in the WSJ.

grumpy

What parts have no credibility? The part where Obama told us we could keep our doctor period? The part where Obama told us we could keep our insurance, period? The part where Obama gave employers a years exception and not the individual? The part where Obama claimed the average person would save $2500 per year on healthcare insurance? Or did the fact that Obama apoligised for doing these things make it OK in your mind? How about the fact that the administration knew all these things were lies before Obama said them, time after time in speeches while knowing they were lies, but was trying to get the bill passed and made the false claims anyway? The part where the IRS targeted political foes for tax exempt status. Those are just the statements about Obamacare, I won't even get into those about Harry and the Senate. Do you claim that what I have mentioned above are not true? Or will you be licking your hindquaters in frustration for not being able to refute what is in the article? We are waiting for your response piddle puppy.Prove YOUR credibility by refuting, with proof, what was said above about obamaScare.

Contango

Here's a 'little trick':

Google the title in order to get past the filters on WSJ.

"Tom Coburn: The Year Washington Fled Reality"

Sen. Coburn is an M.D.

FAR more credible than wanna-be Dr. Obama.

mikesee

WOW! Since this article was written over 1 million more have signed up for obama health care! According to an article I just read in the USA Today newspaper the Obama admin says that over 2.1 million have signed up. So, in just 3 days a million more signed up. MORE LIES!

Dr. Information

Happy New Year. Big blow to Obamacare. Religious entities are getting their way. Cases over forced coverage of contraceptive devices is heading to the SCOTUS. I think they will easily win.