Patriarch off 'Duck Dynasty' after gay comments

Phil Robertson suspended indefinitely.
Associated Press
Dec 19, 2013

 

"Duck Dynasty" patriarch Phil Robertson — suspended from the series indefinitely after making disparaging remarks about gays — is getting some support from key followers.

Sarah Palin posted a picture on her Facebook page of her with the reality show clan with the message, "Free Speech is an endangered species." And Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal also lamented the suspension on free speech terms.

"It's a messed-up situation when Miley Cyrus gets a laugh, and Phil Robertson gets suspended," said the governor in a statement Thursday (the show is filmed in his state.

A&E announced Wednesday what it called a "hiatus" for Robertson, 67, after he disparaged gays in the January edition of GQ magazine. He also said that, growing up in Louisiana before the Civil Rights movement, he never saw mistreatment of blacks.

In a statement, A&E said it was extremely disappointed to see Robertson's anti-gay remarks, which it said were based on his personal beliefs and do not reflect those of A&E Networks or the show. A&E Networks, a joint venture of The Walt Disney Co. and Hearst Corp., called itself a supporter of the lesbian and gay community.

The channel's move was lauded by the gay and lesbian media advocacy group GLAAD, which had quickly condemned Robertson's comments.

"What's clear is that such hateful anti-gay comments are unacceptable to fans, viewers, and networks alike," said GLAAD spokesman Wilson Cruz. Robertson's removal "has sent a strong message that discrimination is neither a Christian nor an American value."

Robertson and his extended family became wealthy manufacturing duck calls and were turned into TV and pop culture stars by "Duck Dynasty," which has set cable ratings records for a non-fiction series. Several family members appeared in this year's Macy's Thanksgiving parade.

In his GQ interview, Robertson was asked his definition of sinful behavior.

"Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there," such as bestiality, he said.

GQ said he then paraphrases a biblical reference: "Don't be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers — they won't inherit the kingdom of God. Don't deceive yourself. It's not right."

Robertson and his family had no comment on his hiatus, A&E said on their behalf. He may be in some previously taped scenes when the show returns Jan. 15 for its fifth season, a network spokesman said.

Robertson did respond to initial criticism of his GQ remarks.

"I myself am a product of the '60s" who indulged in sex and drugs until hitting bottom and accepting Jesus as his savior, he said in a statement. Although his mission is to teach people that men and women are meant to be together, Robertson said he "would never treat anyone with disrespect" because they are different.

In the interview, he also said that in his Louisiana youth he picked cotton with African-Americans and never saw "the mistreatment of any black person. Not once."

"We're going across the field.... They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, 'I tell you what: These doggone white people' — not a word!" Robertson told the magazine.

A&E said it had received no complaints about those remarks.

 

Comments

Unassumer

First of all, the show is overrated and probably best liked by past viewers of Jerry Springer. Who cares? Ohio is full of these christian bigots, just take a look at some of the comments! Everyone goes along with the majority and I have already seen so many post on FB putting down A&E and defending this old hippie turned Jesus freak that I am about to go insane! We all have our opinions, which you know are like a**holes-everybody has one but this is one show and one guy we can live without.

beepx22

Careful all of your tolerance is leaking...

bondgirlM

lol excellent beep :)

areyt55

upto I looked at the bank draft four $9231, I didnt believe that...my... mother in law could trully bringing home money in their spare time from there computar.. there mums best friend has done this for only 13 months and just now cleared the debts on their apartment and got a top of the range BMW M3. read more http://goo.gl/f6e95V

fenderstrat52

Unassumer, I would like to know what your personal thoughts are on the Kardashian's and Honey Boo Boo. Just wondering.

Unassumer

pretty much the same. aggregious waste of tv air time. people that should not be emulated, much less aggrandized through the media. if this is your reality, I'm sorry.

Dr. Information

The show is not overrated. Its one of the most watched TV shows on right now. So there goes that theory out the window. Derp!

pntbutterandjelly

D I T T O that

Think9

Unassumer sez:
"We all have our opinions, which you know are like a**holes-everybody has one".

Yea, but I don't want a wiener in it. If I happen to have a germ in there mixed with my poop, it may give him hepatitis and then I'd loose my lover. Nope, my butt's for poopin and poopin only, as God made it used for. But, to each his and hers own.
Personally, I don't like the show.

John Harville

And what about all the germs in Phil's vaunted vaginas? They've been spreading disease since legs first began spreading...

Minuteman

No, this is business. They'll put him back in if it pays. That depends on the political correctness of the viewers.

pntbutterandjelly

I agree with "Unassumer" and would like to add, "I hate "ducks" and ignorant/stupid people. This would most definitely include (ahh, err..) mr. Robertson." (The lower case "m" in Mr. was intentional. Now...can we all move past this bigoted Hillbilly. (c how easy it is to throw out slanderous and biased B.S.?)

Note: A millionaire duck is still nothing more than a duck with a lot of money but possesses little class or common decency let alone real intelligence and...quacks incessantly for no reason.

pntbutterandjelly

Unassumer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>u r correct.

Mr Bean

Unass---whatever: Have read all your comments---not one possitive statement. What are your likes and dislikes, what do you watch? Are you a "Pitbull? Do you just attack, do you have a suggestion? What is a Christion Bigot? The two terms are not synonamous! What is an "Old Hippie" , what is a "Jesus Freak"?

deertracker

Freedom of speech is not so free!!!!!!

margaritaville88

So TRUE....After this b.s., A&E will start losing money and be UNHAPPY, UNHAPPY, UNHAPPY !!!

fenderstrat52

Deertracker, yeah, but you gotta remember, that of all the things the government has taken away and screwed us out of, freedom of speech is (checked on today) still a right. Naysayers or not, lump it or leave it people.

Unassumer

freedom of speech appears to only be okay if what was said or who said it is popular. if I went around making comments about gays and blacks then I'm sure I'd be ostracized or called a bigot. Mel Gibson made remarks about gays and that didn't go over too well; why are people defending this guy? because he praises the Lord? give me a break. he's a hypocrite and so is everyone standing up for him.

John Harville

-Jim Jones praised the Lord, too, as he led 900 souls to suicide.
-Ted Haggard - homosexual-hating preacher of a mega=church praised the Lord while getting a treatment from his male masseuse.
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pntbutterandjelly

Valid points John but we can add, "God is watching us all." He and He alone holds the scorecard to Heaven's Gates. Until His judgment day arrives for us each...we should try to help each other and not try to demean, belittle or alienate ourselves from each other because of preconceived or misguided concepts that break down or distract from our personal responsibilities and to the possibilities to and for each and every man, woman and child. Mr. Duck has a purpose in life that may yet turn out to be constructive, somehow, someway, someday for some people just...not for me. That is unless...I can personally talk to him and show him the error of his reasoning.

pntbutterandjelly

Ah but ignorance, bigotry, indecency and lack of good judgment is on sale!

John Harville

Deertracker Please elucidate for us how Congress abridged his Freedom of Speech.

Raoul Duke

How can we preach tolerance if we can't even tolerate the intolerant?

Capt. Ford

Nailed that one Duke.

Licorice Schtick

Should we also tolerate intolerance of intolerance? Wait. What?

pntbutterandjelly

I guess we should all just hang out with those who most despise us. (works for me!)

Unassumer

if we tolerate the intolerant it will become acceptable and apparently already has.

Raoul Duke

Apparently NOT.

pntbutterandjelly

Unassumer>>>>>>u may be onto something! Just think, "If we all tolerated the intolerant and they in turn didn't tolerate us we would we live in an intolerant tolerant world and everyone would be happy or...not."
Kahlil Gibrahn once said, "So much is lost and so much is gained in these words, Nice a$$."

pntbutterandjelly

There is a wide chasm between "tolerance" for those who have decency and intolerance for those who pose a threat to society and themselves. Mr. Duck is the later rather than the former and therefore is NOT worthy of "tolerance". (Can you quote one example where a gay individual EVER bespoke of a rancid and ignorant Hillbilly?) "TOLERANCE"

John Harville

Good question for Martin Bashir....

The Big Dog's back

sarah palin is all for freedom of speech except when it comes to her and her family. Ask Bashir.

Stop It

I watched that show once. It's frippin' stupid! We must have a whole crapload of people that have an IQ of a pineapple if this is the highest rating show on TV.

And as an aside, 'reality shows' are anything but.

Unassumer

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Licorice Schtick

Oh, I don't know, I think it's healthy to give your brain a rest and watch mindless garbage once in awhile. When you need something smarter, you can switch to "Spongebob Squarepants."

Pete

SpongeBob or MSNBC. They are of the same intellect.

santown419

Yes Sarah playem is a rocket scientist. That means false news is spongebob friend Patrick they just make things up as they go.

Raoul Duke

I've completely stopped watching TV aside from some sports, and that's next. I cannot stand the commercials anymore, and the shows are worse. Instead, I have been reading actual paper books, and listening to actual vinyl records.

Kottage Kat

Raoul Duke,
In addition to your comment, I have no computer.
If one is asked a question and answers honestly should not be punished for that.
Just because he is not Lady GaGa and keeps his clothes on, really????

mikesee

That IQ of a pineapple has made them $$millions$$!!! How much has your brain made you???

pntbutterandjelly

Are you a Bernie Madoff backer too? (give it a break as your comment has been summarily trumped)

mikesee

Not a Madoff supporter. People are on here saying how stupid he is. I am just merely pointing out that sometimes they are actually smarter than the typical normal person. I am sorry that I offended you and s sorry that a dumb hillbilly is actually smarter than you when it comes to making money.

Minuteman

The show has high ratings because people have been restricted by political correctness and this show gives them an outlet for what they know is right and are afraid to say aloud. Just the opposite of Jerry Springer which glorifies what is wrong.

pntbutterandjelly

The sound of thunderous applause is heard throughout northern Ohio. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

pntbutterandjelly

"Tabloid" reality is main stream media now. Just look at Faux News.
Speaking of that....is there any truth that Fox is offering Mr. Duck Master a broadcasting position? Just curious.

pntbutterandjelly

Question to "Stop It", What would the total IQ of a crapload of Pineapples be? (just curious cauz I would like to possibly raise some sweet and intelligent Pineapples)(thanks for your help)
PB&J
Ps. Do you know where I can get some Pineapple seeds???

8ballinthesidepocket

I may not agree with what the dunce said, but he has every right to say whatever he wants and A&E has every right to suspend him IF he violated his contract. Hope he sues the crap out them for violating his right to free speech! If they fire him they ought to get rid of Rachel Maddow and the rest of the libs on TV for all the dumb outlandish lies they spew. And what about our great leader, is lying worse than making ignorant comments? If so, get rid of him or have we sunk to a new low?

Nemesis

He has a right to free speech, but not to be free of social ostracism for his speech. A&E is not a state actor, and they have a right to freedom of association - not to associate, commercially or otherwise, with someone whose message is not the one they wish to send.

That said, those who preach tolerance are some of the most intolerant.

pntbutterandjelly

Nemesis (great name by the way!)>>>Your comment was short, t the point and....dead on! Thanks, PB&J

Nemesis

People seldom grasp the difference between the free speech as a legal concept versus as an ethical one. While private parties are not legally bound by the First Amendment, they are morally and ethically bound by their own proclamations of support for free speech, tolerance, and diversity to treat holders of opinions they share equally with holders of opinions they don't.

pntbutterandjelly

tsk. tsk. tsk. It appears your panties are too snug around your brain and has completely cut off the oxygen supply to your one good typing finger.

samiam

He has the right to his opinion. If you don't like it or agree with him, turn the channel. Period. A&E needs him and his family more than they need A&E.

Unassumer

We all have the right to our opinions. Unfortunately if you don't agree with the popular one, it appears you become the bad guy.

Dr. Information

Wait. Who are the people throwing a fit because of what he said? Intolerant people like you.

John Harville

Can turn the channel on the TV.
CANNOT 'turn the channel' on a magazine that will be on stands/in archives/in libraries for decades.
The Arts and Entertainment Channel - of which Dick Dynasty is neither - does not need this.a But... now they have it for another full season unless they dump the entire show.

queenjhb

these are his Christian beliefs , he says he would never show anyone disrespect. He hates [ the sin] and not the person. Many Christians believe this. I think he is being honest about his feelings.

Lil DAB

pntbutterandjelly

Hmm. Who did Jesus hang out with? Just the Righteous? (guess again) "Yes" I am afraid he IS being genuine with his thoughts and feelings. That IS the problem and a scary one at that. It's more example of a wealthy individual who has the spotlight spotlighting their own ignorance, arrogance, stupidity, bias and bigotry who reputes to be a Christian. People like him give religions a really bad name. "Preach the religion and then crap all over with your own self-wrought brand of intolerance." what a joke

John Harville

queerjhb... no Christian hates ANYTHING.

"I command you to love one another as I have loved you." -Jesus

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thinkagain

Another day, another lesson in liberal hypocrisy.

They are fond of preaching "diversity" and "tolerance". But hateful hypocrites that they are, it doesn’t apply when it comes to bashing Christians or discriminating against them.

Their never-ending pressuring of society to give up religious faith, merely exposes them as bigoted, intolerant, christophobes.

Keep removing God out of our society, but stop wondering why crime increases and our children are killing each other.

Christians who proclaim the truth that homosexuality is a sin have homosexuals' best interests at heart, whether those in the homosexual community feel that way or not.

One thing that is absolutely true is that people that are activists for the homosexual lifestyle hate God.

The Big Dog's back

Liberal hypocrisy? Last I knew he wasn't jailed for saying anything.

Nemesis

Hypocrisy doesn't require jailing.

The leftist definition of diversity: everybody looks different but thinks the same.

John Harville

jBut it was okay to get rid of Martin Bashir because he called Sarah Palin an idiot after she compared the China debt of Bush/GOP to the slavery of the Civil War.

I think there is a big slice of hypocrisy for you thinkagain.

pntbutterandjelly

You can't be serious with those statements. Are you??? Are you too to say that EVERYONE must be verbally chastised and publically held accountable for their sins as no perfect human exists? Or...are you saying that some sins are, in God's eyes, greater than others? Or are you saying you and you alone hold the patent to God's truth and KNOW that one sin is greater than another? You not only leave me stunned but also confused with dialogue such as you expounded. Are you freakin' serious, delirious, on medication or belong to the cult known as I.G.N.O.R.A.N.T.I.S.B.L.I.S.S.? You really need to re-read the Holy Scriptures before you make further comments. Please?

SamAdams

Robertson was asked his views by an interviewer. He expressed them. And he's PUNISHED for that? He merely exercised his right to free speech which, in this case, also involves his right to freedom of religion.

Never once did Robertson suggest that homosexuals be rounded up and separated from society or worse. He didn't say homosexuals should be criminally punished or that they should voluntarily just STAY in the closet. What he SAID was that a) he doesn't get it (most straight people DON'T, not really), and that b) he thinks it's a sin (many religions do).

When we start being punished for a mere viewpoint, it's well beyond the beginning of the end for freedom! And while A&E surely has the right to control what is broadcast on its own network, that's not where this happened. Shame on A&E for succumbing to the political correctness police, and shame on those who are right there WITH A&E screaming for Robertson's head.

For the record: I've not seen Duck Dynasty, and don't know whether I'm all that interested in ever seeing it. I'm not exactly a religious fundamentalist. And the nearest and dearest friend I've ever had is a gay man. I STILL think every last hypocrite demanding diversity and tolerance and yet castigating Mr. Robertson are the people who are TRULY exhibiting a shameful and harmful attitude!

The Big Dog's back

It's not a case of "free" speech. A&E chose a path. Don't like it, don't watch it.

Señor Clown

People seem to be missing that point. Your may have the right to free speech, but others have the right to hold the things you say against you. Just because you're free to say it doesn't mean anyone has to like it. And when a public figure says things in an interview that might not go over well with their employer, you've got to expect that they might be fired for it.

oheaglefl

Hey, El Presidente says things all the time that are lies, why isn't he fired for it. I'm real sure most doesn't go over well with his employers (that would be us)

John Harville

is that how he won two elections?

mikesee

No. He won it on the backs of the entitlement receivers.

John Harville

entitlement receivers.... all of us who have paid SS taxes for years? Medicare taxes for years? Income taxes for years?
Of course you don't mean the upper level incomes who have paid very little for years but still reap benefits - like Paul Ryan who went to college on his dead father's SS although his family was worth more than $50 million.

Nemesis

No, all those on food stamps with Obama phones who never paid a dime in income taxes.

Licorice Schtick

You seem to think the First Amendment is suspended when you walk through your employer's door.

John Harville

Try it.... walk into your boss - confront him in front of others - and say "You GC SOB. You're a whoremonger and you screw around on your wife with anything with a front-loading slit."
Let's see how long you keep your job?
Or how about "hell no I ain't doin' that fckin' job. Kiss my rosy red assss"
Or try this. Go to your favorite bar and talk where others can hear about what a jackassss you boss is and that he's stealing from the company."
Do it... I triple dog dare ya Schtick.

Uh oh! "YOUr submission ahs gtriggered the profanity filter and will not be accepte3d until the inappropriate language is removed."

Yeah... so much for freedom of speech.

John Harville

Where IS MY freedom of speech, Contango et al?

mikesee

I don't think he specifically said that to his boss. Big difference d.a.

John Harville

Yeah, his actions did say that to his boss A&E. They told him not to do the interview and not to speak about his personal beliefs that do not reflect A&E. He did both - to a magazine which, in the newest issue, urges men to wear suits without socks as professional attire....

mikesee

Funny, I read the article and can't seem to see where he said to his boss, get f'ed. Maybe you give me page, paragraph? DF

pntbutterandjelly

"Words" Words should be carefully weighed rather than merely blurted out. Why? Simply because wars have even begun due to idiotic self-righteous or self-gain concepts are actually in place. "Words" are the ONLY way to attempt to communicate our thoughts, ideas and philosophies. "Words" like, "Ignorant, long-haired, Hillbilly" come to mind. "Words"

OSUBuckeye59

A&E had a choice: pull Phil from future shows and hope to not lose many viewers and sponsors, or tell everyone Phil has a right to free speech, keep filming new episodes w/Phil included, and suffer the consequences, which again means potential loss of viewers and sponsors

I predict even more viewers to tune in and watch DD, including those shows already taped that included Phil but yet to air. Even with what A&E did, there's every possibility they'll still lose some sponsors. Personally, I would've liked A&E to tell everyone Phil has a right to free speech, and "we will not make any changes". I absolutely support Phil having the right to say whatever he wants, and stand behind that conviction. But I'm not running A&E.

And for those who believe Phil's 1st amendment rights have been infringed, were you also just as outraged over 10 years ago in March of 2003, as the U.S. was preparing to invade Iraq under the alleged belief that Saddam Hussein was hiding "weapons of mass destruction", when Natalie Maines of the 'Dixie Chicks', while looking out over an audience at the Shepherd's Empire Theater in London said, "Just so you know, we’re on the good side with y’all. We do not want this war, this violence, and we’re ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas.”? Outraged by the incredibly swift, brutal and ongoing reactions, including stations boycotting the group and fans burning their CDs?

The rush to condemn the Dixie Chicks 10 years ago was just as swift and massive as the rush to support Phil today. The Dixie Chicks were never able to recover. The groups' career pretty much ended that day. As for Phil, I have every belief his exposure & fame will only increase, that is if he allows it to. But my point is this: 1st amendment outrage is too often one-sided. And that's not right or fair. If you really support 1st amendment free rights, you must support ALL free speech viewpoints.

Bherrle

I suspect the show would have lost very few viewers, if any. But A&E chose to be "politically correct."

John Harville

A&E chose to make a financial decision... and is reaping the benefits with a DD Marathon through Christmas.
One feature yesterday was focused on using a poodle as a hunting dog and the shame of being seen with the fine hunter "ridin' around with you in your truck'".

JudgeMeNot

Natalie Maines and The Dixie Chicks S%ck. There! I said it.

John Harville

Judgeyou not.... why? Because you LIKED the White guy in the White house?

Yep! I'll throw a card on Phil's race card about his 'best friend' Blacks.

He didn't say anything about Mexicans or migrant workers or...

Bherrle

"In his GQ interview, Robertson was asked his definition of sinful behavior."

He answered the question honestly. They are his beliefs. He was answering a flipping question asked of him during an interview by a major magazine!

Why is it OK in this country to burn the Stars & Stripes, in the name of free speech, but one is not allowed to answer a question honestly, in the name of free speech?

Our forefathers are turning over in their graves.

Unassumer

Really, there is no such thing as free speech anymore. Others will attack you if your opinion is different from the majority. Just take a look at any comments on any social media. Robertson has a big following and many supporters and they seem to be looking at A&E as the bad guy here. In reality, Robertson is a hypocrite. A man who found Jesus but shuns humans who don't agree with his beliefs. He is tolerant but as a person in the public eye, he is supposed to keep his personal beliefs to himself or face this kind of backlash. Oh, and burning a flag is way less offensive than claiming homosexuality is unnatural. Our flag has lost its democratic and pursuit of freedom meaning since 9/11. Where have you been?

Nemesis

"Our forefathers are turning over in their graves."

Why? His rights have not been violated. The Founders prohibited GOVERNMENT from sanctioning speech. Private actors are free to exercise their rights to freedom of association (something else about which the Founders felt strongly.)

John Harville

Robertson was being interviewed about his Duck Dynasty role, ministry etc. He was not responding as a 'private actor'...unless you believe GQ would have sought the interview if he didn't have the very public show etc.
Don't be a decoy.

Nemesis

He was and remains a private actor. Your response betrays both ignorance and lack of reading comprehension.

ignorance: The term "private actor" is a legal term describing a person or group of persons unaffiliated with, and not acting on behalf of, any government body, in contrast with a "state actor" which is someone acting as an agent of the government, and thus bound by limitations such as those in the Bill of Rights.

-reading comprehension: The term "private actor" was not describing Robertson, but rather A&E, which, as a private corporation, is not bound by the First Amendment or constrained by Robertson's free speech rights.
You are responding to the opposite meaning to that of the comment to which you intend to respond. I suggest therefore that you take your own advice about decoys.

White Owl

Actually, A&E as an employer that profits from public owned television broadcast rights is not permitted to violate certain civil rights statutes, including retaliating against an employee on the basis of race, gender, handicap, ethnicity and RELIGION.

This isn't a First Amendment speech case but a labor and telecommunications law case. Thus, your private actor or state actor analysis not applicable.

Nemesis

Guess again.

First of all, A&E does not use the public airwaves. It's a CABLE network that sells content to PRIVATE TV providers.

Second, he's NOT an employee. At best, he's a contractor. Third, BECAUSE of the First Amendment, those producing content in the media enjoy broad leeway in production decisions such as casting. Furthermore, ALL employment discrimination laws are subject to exceptions for bona fide occupational qualifications. You can't force a producer to cast an Asian as Hamlet, or a woman as Al Capone.

White Owl

OK, you're correct on the cable aspect. However, he likely has an employment contract, so he is an employee. Even if he is an independent contractor, it is illegal to enter into contracts that e violate the law.

Nemesis

No, he doesn't have an EMPLOYMENT contract. He has a contract whereby he sells access to his personal life. An author doesn't have an employment contract with a publisher, either.

However, none of that matters. Even if he WERE an employee, they'd be within their rights on multiple grounds. If an employee's CONDUCT publicly damages A&E's business, brand, or the value of their intellectual property, they can fire that employee, and he doesn't get to turn it into religious discrimination by saying that his religion made him do it. As a member of the media, they have a First Amendment right to control the content of their broadcasts, including excluding controversial people from said content. Soap operas have prevailed in cases over firing actesses who got pregnant because their condition was incompatible with the story line. If they're casting a movie role of a white historical figure, they can specify that only whites can audition.

Employment discrimination law is not as simple as you seem to believe.

John Harville

Sullivan v New York Times. He is a 'public figure' and as such has no protection from action for his comments, words or actions.
A&E is a public not-for-profit corporation that receives public funds and therefore is bound by all regulations... however, A&E is NOT an arm of the Federal Government and therefore is not restrained by the First Amendments proscription of 'CONGRESS'.
Who would know of Phil's comments if not for his very public persona on television.

And what about the PR consultant fired on her way to South Africa for her comments about AIDS and being white? Does she have freedom of speech?

Nemesis

-Sullivan is not applicable - it deals with public figures' privacy, not employment rights.

-A&E is a for-profit joint venture owned by Hearst Publishing and Disney, and they do not receive public funds. You are thinking of PBS.

On the other hand, you're on the right track with the comparison to the PR person. I guess that counts as an improvement.

John Harville

Really, Bherrie? Nobody has kept him from answering the question. But does he get carte blanche just because he's some sort of hell-raisin' 60 guy who - by his own statement - banged any woman walking, drank and smoked heavily, enjoyed weed and other drugs. Then he 'found Jesus' after he 'hit rock bottom' Bully! Has he apologized to all those women? WWJD?

pntbutterandjelly

I wrote this before and I'll say it again, Mr. Duck gives Christianity a bad name." Your so-called "forefathers" (who..oh by the way...owned slaves, despised the Irish among many other nationalities and abused the Native Americans amongst many others)are far less important that than the very basic teachings of our Lord.

badboy

The latest professional "outrage groups" are having a field day with this.

Unassumer

Well, at least they got Brian back on Family Guy!

John Harville

Martin Bashir was forced to resign because the "Sarah Palin Outrage Groups" had a field day... same with Keith Olberman because Billow the Clown got all outraged and his sheeple wrote letters.
the difference with Phil.... A&E is an entertainment/family network and children/teens what him and take his example.

bondgirlM

I find it funny that "tolerance" means say what the minority wants to hear. When is the minority going to get around to tolerating others? They have the right to believe what they want and they can state it just like "Uncle Phil" has. That's what the 1st Amendment is all about. It means we ALL have the right to say what we want as long as your are not threatening the well being of anyone.

Bherrle

^^^ - What she said. Totally agree.

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JMOP

Exactly

Dr. Information

yup

The Bizness

The government is doing nothing to this guy, he has every right to say what he wants to say, but he has to accept the consequences for what he said. A&E has their own right to suspend him.

Also the majority of people actually disagree with him (52% back legalizing gay marriage in all 50 states), not the minority like you state.

Nemesis

Majority or not, they are hypocrites. They have no tolerance for diversity of opinion.

Camille Paglia (who is openly gay) said it better than I can:

“To express yourself in a magazine in an interview — this is the level of punitive PC, utterly fascist, utterly Stalinist, OK, that my liberal colleagues in the Democratic Party and on college campuses have supported and promoted over the last several decades,” Paglia said. “This is the whole legacy of free speech 1960’s that have been lost by my own party.

“I think that this intolerance by gay activists toward the full spectrum of human beliefs is a sign of immaturity, juvenility,” Paglia said. “This is not the mark of a true intellectual life. This is why there is no cultural life now in the U.S. Why nothing is of interest coming from the major media in terms of cultural criticism. Why the graduates of the Ivy League with their A, A, A+ grades are complete cultural illiterates, etc. is because they are not being educated in any way to give respect to opposing view points.”

John Harville

Wait a minute BndgirlM.... you just put an "as long as" stipulation on the First Amendment.

How do you get to do that?

If the counter guy at McDuckDynasty cusses at a customer or even raises the voice - does the Manager/Owner not have the right to discipline or terminate the employee? The actions certainly threaten the well-being of the customer and the company.

pntbutterandjelly

Oh MY GOD! Please...define "threatening the well being of others"? Words of intolerance and hate DO threaten the well being of others at so many different levels that you obviously don't understand.

John Harville

and bondgirlM gives us an 'exception' to the First Amendment.

Almost like yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater when there is no fire.

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2cents

This situation like many others just shows you how wrapped up a large percentage of people are. Really, this guy has an opinion, probably the same opinion he has had since his youth. You praise these TV people until you do not like something they say or do that takes them off your little pedestal you have placed them on. I say get a life, if you watch TV for anything other than entertainment you have a problem!

How about the football gang banger they turned into a star, oops, he still likes to murder, what no background check for super star football players either!

pntbutterandjelly

2cents>>>you are correct! They all (including Mr. Duck) need to be driven out of society or....re-educated.

John Harville

"sinice his youth' 2cents? He claims he was a hellraiser in the 60s and 70s (born in 1946 he's 67), screwed any vaginal opening that smelled okay, drank heavily, used drugs, avoided the War, and generally destroyed himself and others before he 'found Jesus'. He hasn't read the Bible - only picked (or was given) phrases that suited his opinions (got the Leviticus part about 'lying with a man' but missed the part about 'don't tattoo your body'.

KURTje

Yeah....a lot like Hu*tler Magazine & Larry Fl*nt. Don't like it don't buy it.

The New World Czar

It's OK for Mylie Cyrus to simulate sex on the air in the name of shock and ratings...and he gets suspended for what? This is a true measurement of how our society and media have lost their way.

pntbutterandjelly

What has been lost is our innocence. The tabloid mentality has now permeated our TV stations to such a magnitude that it is nearly impossible to find anything to watch that is either intelligent, truly constructive or informative with OUT running into political rantings and ravings or...without volumes of boneheads professing to hold some enlightened viewpoint of what is correct. Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! (get a life, open your minds and do something creative for yourself and our society. Like...read a book about how Adolph Hitler divided his countymen with repeated bashings of those he too felt were not worthy (read, Jews, Gypsies, Poles, et. al.) ONLY to cause his country's total demise with WW2.Division and bigotry is NOT a recipe for success. (Unless your name is Adolph)

John Harville

Czar... where did you get the idea Miley Cyrus' actions were okay?

Pterocarya frax...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Read that and tell me how this is a first amendment case. The amendment is all about the government not being able to tell us what we can and cannot say. Is A&E the government?

If you were to invite me into your home and I start saying things about your hero Ted Cruz that you don't like, then you have every right to order me to leave. That is absolutely no different than what A&E has done here.

Bherrle

True, I agree with your point. My point is that I am offended that A&E chose to censor him (from it's network), rather than having the stones to stand behind a belief this country was founded on.

Nemesis

Exactly. They haven't violated the Constitution, but they've run roughshod over their own intellectual integrity. That's legal, but contemptible.

John Harville

Bherrie. Please elucidate for us how A&# censored Phil.

Nemesis

They negatively sanctioned him for what he said. The word "censorship" is not limited to unconstitutional govt. activity. The major networks actually have censor committees who review and edit programs. Heck, one can censor oneself.

John Harville

Bherrie... The 'belief this country was founded on' is NOT the First Amendment nor the First Ten Amendments nor the 14th which negated many of the prohibitions in the first 10.

Nemesis

The 14th Amendment did not negate anything in the first 10. It expanded them to be binding on the states.

John Harville

Bherrie.. the Constitution counted a colored man as 3/5 of a white man for the census.
the Constitution did not prohibit SLAVERY.
The Constituion did NOT give women the vote - nor the right to be heard in public (The First Amendment did NOT apply to women).
The Constitution did not provide for ELECTION OF SENATORS.
The Constitution did not provide for a standing military (thus the Second Amendment)
If you don't feel a bit ignorant, maybe you should (MY freedom of speech,there)

Nemesis

You REALLY should consider how much of your house's exterior is windows before throwing the ignorance stone.

-The Constitution said NOTHING about colored versus white. It gave STATES representation based on 100% of their FREE population and 60% of their FREE population, REGARDLESS of race. Those who have only a vague comprehension of history (and with each comment, you increase the impression that you are one of them) love to cite this as some sort of atrocity against blacks on the part of the Founders, when, in fact, it was a strategy to end slavery by diminishing the influence of states that permitted it. The SLAVE STATES wanted to count 100% of their slave population to gain more representation, the better to turn the federal government more in favor of continued slavery. 3/5 was a compromise between them and abolitionists, who didn't want slaves to count at all toward represention.

- The First Amendment absolutely did apply to women, which is why women like Susan B. Anthony were able to organize and advocate for their suffrage.

- The Constitution provided for the appointment of senators by state legislatures. This was neither an oversight, nor the horrible evil you are so eager to imply. It was intended that the two houses of Congress would each represent the states in different ways. Amending to have senators directly elected was a bit of demagoguery to which most of the loss of liberty in the 20th century can be traced.

John Harville

Bherrie... Do you feel the same way about the PR executive fired by her company before she landed in South Africa for tweeting "I'm on my way to South Africa. Hope I don't get AIDS. Oh, I'm white."?

Was her Freedom of Speech violated by her company?

grumpy

I could ask the same about the 10th Amendment. It says what was meant, but the SC found weasel ways to get around it. Same with free speech. It isn't what is written it is what the SC sees in the rest of the Constitution and how they weasel way interpret it. This might be a contract dispute. I don't know what his contract with A&E is, Do you? I highly doubt it is a 1st Amendment case, more likely a contract difference.

John Harville

You need to check the 14th Amendment that kinda dumps the 10th.

Nemesis

The 14th in no way "dumps" the 10th. It makes the Bill of Rights binding on the states, nothing more.

John Harville

Wrong. The Tenth protects anything not specifically given to the government nor denied to it by the Constitution. The 14th extends federal laws to the states... thus saying the Federal government makes laws affective in all states. If that's not nullifying...

Nemesis

Wrong again. The 14th extends the Bill of Rights to the states, NOT legislated federal laws. Federal laws have been overturned by SCOTUS on 10th Amendment grounds in the last 10 years.

Also, your interpretation of the 10th Amendment is wrong, but it looks like that could just be a failure to proofread.

grumpy

I could ask the same about the 10th Amendment. It says what was meant, but the SC found weasel ways to get around it. Same with free speech. It isn't what is written it is what the SC sees in the rest of the Constitution and how they weasel way interpret it. This might be a contract dispute. I don't know what his contract with A&E is, Do you? I highly doubt it is a 1st Amendment case, more likely a contract difference.

White Owl

Employers are not permitted to discriminate against employees based on their religious beliefs (a First Amendment right).

Nemesis

They are when their mission is inherently expressive and the employee's conduct runs afoul of that.

He's also not an employee.

John Harville

White Owl.... go back and read your First Amendment again... "CONGRESS shall make no law...."

"CONGRESS shall not abridge... religion."

Nemesis

Wow, you got one right! The equal employment laws which forbid such discrimination are legislated, not in the Constitution.

White Owl

Again, A&E terminated his contract for employment as an actor on a show. This is not a First Amendment case, but a labor case or contract case.

It is illegal to discriminate against someone on the basis of race, gender, handicap, national origin and religious faith. Mr. Robinson expressed the viewpoint of the Christian religion, which teaches promiscuity (whether homosexual or heterosexual)is sinful and leads to separation from God. It is not an act of hatred to point out that certain behaviors are morally deleterious according to a person's religion.

Nemesis

See above for why you're completely wrong about this.

John Harville

Since A&E is running its marathon - and fifth season - will he now sue A&E?

pntbutterandjelly

Thank you for that. It is every bit a much of A&Es right as Mr. Duck's right. The only difference is...A&E KNOWS what is morally correct vs. legally correct. (big difference)

JudgeMeNot

Sarah Palin is soo right. Free Speech is an endangered species.

John Harville

CONGRESS shall make no law.....
Last time I checked A&E is NOT Congress.

pntbutterandjelly

And for some people...it s should be! Unfortunately..."freedom of speech" is not exclusionary of stupidity. 2 bad.

Kmf1984

I just want to know at what point was he hateful. He was asked what his beliefs are and he gave a straight forward response. No where did I read that he said anything about hating gays. He simply does not agree or understand the lifestyle because he is following The Bible.

John Harville

When did Jesus say anything about homosexuality?
Leviticus? No... that's Moses and Jewish law.
Corinthians? No... that's Paul talking about those heathen Romans.

Leviticus also outlaws tattoos (ooo look at all you goin' to hell) and against touching the flesh of a dead hog (hope you never played football) and against eating pork (ooops, there go all you rib-eaters). I can cherry-pick the Bible too.

Nemesis

Except that you don't know enough to understand the difference between cherry picking and the clear differentiation of the different types of commandments.

John Harville

The commandments are MOSAIC.
Jesus came to bring a new law and left us with his own great commandment.

"This is my commandment. I command you to love one another as I have loved you."

Nemesis

So, I guess we can just ignore all that "thou shalt not kill/thou shalt not steal" stuff, eh?

Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law"

pntbutterandjelly

L O L (not!)

One only needs to look at the man and he has biased ignorance written ALLLL over him. You know it as well as I do. Why do you avoid the truth? "If it walks like a duck...."
Viewpoints like his are grounded in a cesspool of hatred that has long re-dated the Bible. It was Jesus who tried to teach us the virtues of brotherly love. NOT brotherly bias. It really is all quite simple. Mr. Duck has lost his way and the way of the truth.

nobodycares

Why is it ok to be openly , but not ok to be openly Christian ??!!!

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