Fast-food protests return

Workers across the country walked off their jobs to fight for a $15 an hour wage
Associated Press
Dec 5, 2013


Fast-food workers and labor organizers marched, waved signs and chanted in cities across the country on Thursday in a push for higher wages.

Organizers say employees planned to forgo work in 100 cities, with rallies set for another 100 cities. But by late afternoon, it was unclear what the actual turnout was or how many of the participants were workers. At targeted restaurants, the disruptions seemed minimal or temporary.

The protests are part of an effort that began about a year ago and is spearheaded by the Service Employees International Union, which has spent millions to bankroll local worker groups and organize publicity for the demonstrations. Protesters are calling for pay of $15 an hour, but the figure is seen more as a rallying point than a near-term possibility.

At a time when there's growing national and international attention on economic disparities, advocacy groups and Democrats are hoping to build public support to raise the federal minimum wage of $7.25. That comes to about $15,000 a year for full-time work.

On Thursday, crowds gathered outside restaurants in cities including Boston, Lakewood, Calif., Phoenix, Washington, D.C., and Charlotte, N.C., where protesters walked into a Burger King but didn't stop customers from getting their food.

In Detroit, about 50 demonstrators turned out for a pre-dawn rally in front of a McDonald's. A few employees said they weren't working but a manager and other employees kept the restaurant open.

Julius Waters, a 29-year-old McDonald's maintenance worker who was among the protesters, said it's hard making ends meet on his wage of $7.40 an hour.

"I need a better wage for myself, because, right now, I'm relying on aid, and $7.40 is not able to help me maintain taking care of my son. I'm a single parent," Waters said.

In New York City, about 100 protesters blew whistles and beat drums while marching into a McDonald's at around 6:30 a.m.; one startled customer grabbed his food and fled as they flooded the restaurant, while another didn't look up from eating and reading amid their chants of "We can't survive on $7.25!"

Community leaders took turns giving speeches for about 15 minutes until police arrived and ordered protesters out of the store. The crowd continued to demonstrate outside for about 45 minutes.

Later in the day, about 50 protesters rallied outside a Wendy's in Brooklyn. Channon Wetstone, a 44-year-old attorney ended up going to a nearby Burger King because of the protests.

She said fast-food employees work very hard. When asked if she'd be willing to pay more for food so they could earn more, she said it would depend on what she was ordering.

"I would say 50 cents, 75 cents more," Wetstone said.

The push for higher pay in fast food faces an uphill battle. The industry competes aggressively on being able to offer low-cost meals and companies have warned that they would need to raise prices if wages were hiked.

Fast-food workers have also historically been seen as difficult to unionize, given the industry's high turnover rates. But the Service Employees International Union, which represents more than 2 million workers in health care, janitorial and other industries, has helped put their wages in the spotlight.

Berlin Rosen, a political consulting and public relations firm based in New York City, is coordinating communications efforts and connecting organizers with media outlets. The firm says its clients are the coalitions in each city, such as Fast Food Forward and Fight for 15. Those groups were established with the help of the SEIU, which is also listed on Berlin Rosen's website as a client.

The National Restaurant Association, an industry lobbying group, said most protesters were union workers and that "relatively few" restaurant employees have participated in past actions. It called the demonstrations a "campaign engineered by national labor groups."

McDonald's, Wendy's and Yum Brands, which owns KFC, Taco Bell and Pizza Hut, said in statements that their restaurants create work opportunities and provide training and the ability to advance. Burger King reissued its statement on past protests, saying its restaurants have provided an entry point into the workforce for millions of Americans.

In the meantime, the protests are getting some high-powered support from the White House. In an economic policy speech Wednesday, President Barack Obama mentioned fast-food and retail workers "who work their tails off and are still living at or barely above poverty" in his call for raising the federal minimum wage.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has promised a vote on the wage hike by the end of the year. But the measure is not expected to gain traction in the House, where Republican leaders oppose it.

Supporters of wage hikes have been more successful at the state and local level. California, Connecticut and Rhode Island raised their minimum wages this year. Last month, voters in New Jersey approved an increase in the minimum to $8.25 an hour, up from $7.25 an hour.




Burger flipping in an entry level job for High Schoolers and re-tired to suplment income. It is not ment to be able to raise a family on! $15 an hour for unskilled labor, no, go get an education and a better paying job.


You took the words right out of my mouth!


you could use a little education yourself (supplement, meant). all minimum wage jobs are not burger flipping and some of them have more duties than higher paying jobs (so some are underpaid for that reason). minimum wage jobs are not equal. also many people with degrees still cannot get any better than an entry level low paying job.


That's because any idiot with a computer can get a fake degree on the internet. Don't even need to change out of your pajamas or pay for it! I despise internet colleges. They are fake. Period. College used to be a privilege, now people feel it's a right.


Your comment shows your complete ignorance of online college education. While I will agree there are some unscrupulous ones out there, the same can be said of brick and mortar schools such as ITT tech, Fordis, and others. It is your job as a consumer to research a school before giving them money. To say all online schools are fake is disingenuous. I received my graduate degree online. Had I been forced to drive several days a week to a brick and mortar school I would have never been able to complete it as working adult with family to care for. The important thing to look at when researching an online school is whether or not they are regionally accredited. Regional accreditation means they have passed a rigorous evaluation of their programs and student outcomes. All public universities must be regionally accredited to issue degrees, so an online school that has this distinction means that it is operating at the same level as a public university. The school I attended only offered online degrees and is accredited by the same body that has accredited such schools in Ohio as Bluffton College, BGSU, Cleveland State, and Ohio State. It is far from a fake school. In fact most universities now offer degrees that are completely online in order to capture the non-traditional student demographic (working adults).


Fake school


Any one of the protesters should feel free to spend THEIR money and start their own business.

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The Hero Zone

I wonder if the SEIU was paying their sympathetic protesters $15/hour for their unskilled labor at holding signs and marching? Or is it like the ACA enrollment centers that primarily employ part time navigators so they won't have to supply them health insurance?

Many of the people in my store's community work at these places so I am not deaf to how hard it can be, but these are starting jobs and not jobs that should be making that money. I also have skilled, trained chefs that work at places of note as a part of my community and they don't even earn that much! But you have to ask, "Will increasing the minimum wage help the poor?"

Look at states that have increased theirs, are they devoid of poor and struggling people? Is the $1 jump in NJ sloughing enrollees from programs and creating generational wealth that will be passed on from one generation to the next? Would $10/hour? Would even $15/hour?

Or is this actually just a cruel stringing-along to continually keep vulnerable people duped and upset at things that aren't the root cause of dysfunction and despair?


After watching the news yesterday, the media came to the conclusion that people weren't walking off the job for the protest. MSNBC interviewed several of the protesters and the reporter said that out of the 60 she talked to only one actually worked at one of these places. The rest were paid hacks of the SEIU. Now for the real story...Several news outlets asked the protestors how much the SEIU was paying them to picket. $10/hr. Seems the SEIU wants fast food to pay $15/hr but refuses to pay their own employees $15/hr. Hypocrites. The same union keeps touting Kroger as being one of the retailers with low wages, what they fail to mention is that Kroger is unionized by the UFCW (United Food and Commercial Workers). One has to ask employees at Kroger, what are those union dues doing for you?


Many of them HAD good jobs until the Bush Recession. Please explain to us how they would possibly afford additional schooling, when they can't even afford to feed themselves. I recently read that one of the leading employers of people on food stamps is....drum roll, please....Kroger.
Before you pass judgement, please tell us what YOU would do, if you were in the same situation: working 40 hours a week, and earning almost $300 before taxes?


Isn't Kroger signatory to the UFCW?

Go union dues!


Yes they are.


What is the dues deduction for the "privilege" of being on food stamps?



Don't expect coaster to answer the union question, it will take him several days to get the egg off of his face. LOL


Exactly. Notice how few posts there were in the Detroit Goes Bankrupt section.

These people can't think on their own. Or form a complete sentence for that matter without prompting from MediaMatters or DailyKOS.


If you want to see herd mentality go and read the comments on any article or diary on Dailykos. It is there for all to see. It is where they see how flakey they can get, they try to outdo each other.


it seems like almost every protester they interview is a 'single parent' so yes, they could afford college since it would be paid for by the American taxpayer. Not to mention take out excessive student loans to eventually default on.


Or maybe, just MAYBE, they could have kept their pants on until they had acquired skills requisite with supporting a family.


That would require something called Personal Responsibility. They have zero clue what that is!


AND...You gotta ask yourself if maybe even $7.25/hour is overpaying someone who can't even figure out how to use a condom.

Bottom Line

How long are you going to blame Bush for everything? That's almost as old as you liberals playing the race card.


PLEASE....Do some due diligence. Kroger in our area is not and has not been paying minimum wage to its employees. Many of their jobs are, however, part-time. Most of retail has become less than 30 hours because of Obamacare. For those who haven't been following, one of the issues that was created was redefining full-time employment as being 30 hours per week. This has cost many people a reduction in their scheduled hours to avoid mandated employer provided insurance. All employee wages and benefits must come from a percentage of the sales of the company. Just because government passes a law, there is still the reality of economics and accounting that requires a profit margin or the business closes. Friendly's; Roadhouse; CiCi's; to name a few.


I finally agree with you!


how does one start a business with no money?


Do you have an idea for a new business?

Have you written a business plan?

Have you sought investors (friends or family) to start said business?

Are there patents to be applied for?


It's time that hard workers get a decent wage. I get tired of hearing get an education~just because you don't have the greatest job in the world doesn't mean you are uneducated! Good paying jobs are not out there no matter if you have a college education or not. Believe it or not~ALL jobs need the people that do the ACTUAL WORK~ If not for them there would be no need for you people who sit behind the desk and collect the mighty dollar while others slave to line you pockets! Not everyone was born with a silver spoon in their mouths and were lucky enough to be able to afford college! Get off of your high horse and PAY THE WORKERS!!


you go BEHAPPY!!!!!


Ah yes, the class warfare agitprop that the only honest work is manual labor that a machine could do.


I agree. People think you can just go out and get a better paying job by applying yourself and getting more education (these people have obviously never tried it) when in reality, companies are relying on minimum wage people to run their businesses and are doing away with the higher paid managers to save money. You can work 5 years at an entry level job, go to school at night and get a degree and still not be able to rise above. I don't think some entry level jobs should have a wage of $15 an hour, but $10 is fairly realistic; others should remain around $8. It depends on the duties and physical or mental stamina required-like a housekeeper should really be paid more than a burger flipper for instance; housekeepers have to work much harder and much faster.


Apparently you fail to look at the statistics if you actually believe what you are saying. It is the uneducated that suffer the brunt of economic downturns. Sounds like you've drunk the class warfare kool-aid that has you now attacking middle class workers and blaming them for your lot in life. If you are in middle age and are still working at McDonalds...look in the mirror, that is where you place the blame.


Fry cook want $15 hour? Learn a trade! Develop a skill! Further education! Washing lettuce and salting fries not meant to be a living wage.


a fry cook is a trade and requires skill. working for Burger King is not being a fry cook. washing lettuce and salting fries is not cooking either. all jobs should pay a living wage realistically and some jobs that pay minimum wage should be reevaluated because some require a worker to complete many more duties than BK employees. it's obvious that you don't know much.


LOL...that's a slap in the face to real skilled tradesman who has received years of training in many cases to earn their journeyman card. It take like half a day to learn how to throw burgers on the conveyer belt and run them through the machine that flame broils them at Burger King. This is a job even the village idiot can do and requires no special training. You are the one who obviously doesn't know much.


So you applied to Burger Apprenticeship School, took an aptitude test, and then were accepted into the program from there?

How long is the apprenticeship? What are the step increases? Is it an NLRB recognized program?


$10.00 Big Macs! Whoop whoop!


Price of gas has tripled, milk, nat gas,and electric doubled. The cost of living has doubled in the last ten to tweleve years and wages have nt seen much of any kind of meaningful increase. Its stupid and ignorant to think that is ok and acceptable. The Ceo and major corperations get rich at the expense of the lower and middle class.... min wage jobs make up the majority of the work force in alot of communities and should definitely be raised, maybe not doubled but a substantial raise is needed. And this country use to be filled with jobs that if you were willing ti work hard a put in the time you could make a good living, and them days are gone. I know plenty of people with bachelors degrees that are stuck working dead end jobs with no chance of advancement.


Minimum wage has almost doubled in 20 years. Back in 04 the minimum wage earner was ahead if the curve... now the curve has caught up.

Employers are still looking for hard workers. I got a new job 2 months ago paying what the burger flippers ate crying for. Easy as pie with a little effort.


So you go to Wally Mart and buy all that crap from overseas where all the decent manufacturing jobs flowed to and you didn't expect people to get fed up with service jobs?

How many of you can remember all the manufacturing plants, foundries etc. we had here in Sandusky where a person could work and afford to have a modest home and raise a family?

Those jobs all flowed overseas in search of the lowest wage countries and we're left with the cost of social programs to support those falling through the cracks, not born with a silver spoon, or lucky enough to catch a break and get on somewhere decent.

Our economy has always been consumer driven. Big business better wise up and realize if the workers can't afford to buy products,,,,,the house of cards will fall apart.

Excuse me for venting....but how many of our social problems would be eliminated if there were mmore decent jobs available?


Some of you have no clue at all... I have had money and I have been poor. Untill you have been in the situation of busting your butt for peanuts and not knowing where you were going to eat and sleep, while the whole time working and going to school trying to better your self, I don't expect you to understand, most people are selfish and ignorant. They had help from the time they were kids. Parents helped pay for cars, rent, and schooling and then they graduate and their parents friends set them up with interviews at big companies straight out if school. Most of these people claim to have worked so hard and have had it so difficult along their padded path to success. . I can read post after post and tell who you are. Its funny but yet so so sad


absolutely. these people need to walk a mile in the burger flipping aisle!


These people you speak of, can you name them? You speak as though everyone who has a job you are envious of was born with a silver spoon and didn't work hard to achieve it. I have a sibling who tried to tell me that was my case. I told them that was ridiculous. First of all we were both born of the same parents, both worked at New Departure and retired from there. They made a decent wage but I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I got my first job when I was 13 shoveling horse excrement from stalls at Steinen's Stables. I worked continuously from 13 until now at various jobs including cleaning swimming pools, and working in several fast food places. At 18 I went in the Air Force, something I had planned on doing a 4 yr hitch in and then moving on. I found after the first couple of years that I enjoyed the military and it gave me a sense of accomplishment and fulfilled my need to serve people. I managed to make a 21 yr career out of it.

I didn't stop there though. I took advantage of my time in and went to school, first I became a Paramedic, then I earned my Bachelor's Degree and then a Master's. When I retired, I was able to acquire a decent job in healthcare thanks to my efforts at networking while I was in the military as well as moonlighting in health care jobs while I was serving in the military. None of it happened due to me having a silver spoon in my mouth or because my parents knew people. I actively made it happen while I was in the military since I knew someday I would retire and would need to find other employment. Most people with good jobs are not there due to their parents, they are there because they spent the time educating themselves for the career they choose and then put out the effort to network with other professionals in order to obtain job leads and get a foot in the door. Sorry to tell you, the days of dropping off an application at an employer and hoping for a phone call are over. The jobs go to the ones who show the initiative to go after them. That means education, networking, and persistance. If you don't follow up on a position within 24hrs of submitting a resume there is a pretty good chance you won't get the job. You need to be persistant and put yourself out there. That's my advice, whether you feel it is useful is up to you.

dorothy gale

I agree. And trying to argue the point is useless. I believe hard work should be compensated fairly. So many people seem to believe they are so much better than those who have the grunt jobs. WORKERS deserve a little more. There is no shame in working hard, getting dirty, performing a service, and those who do these things daily should be compensated for it.


Define "fairly" - how much is enough?

The market does an excellent job - if your skills are in demand, employers will compete to get your services.


Some of you have no clue at all... I have had money and I have been poor. Untill you have been in the situation of busting your butt for peanuts and not knowing where you were going to eat and sleep, while the whole time working and going to school trying to better your self, I don't expect you to understand, most people are selfish and ignorant. They had help from the time they were kids. Parents helped pay for cars, rent, and schooling and then they graduate and their parents friends set them up with interviews at big companies straight out if school. Most of these people claim to have worked so hard and have had it so difficult along their padded path to success. . I can read post after post and tell who you are. Its funny but yet so so sad

Bottom Line

It's so obvious that raising the minimum wage, let alone to something as ridiculous as paying someone $15 per hour to flip burgers, hurts so many people in the long run. Including the people its "supposed" to help. Just a big distraction for Obama because his healthcare is a disaster. And the media is a willing accomplice and plays the role he needs them to.

Dr. Information

Raise the wages and people will just go out a get a bigger TV or smarter smart phone. They won't save. They will spend it and then complain again that it's not fair. You want to earn more you have to EARN it, it's not given to you.


the protesters are the people that are working their butts off for peanuts while holier than thous like you are telling them it's all their fault they didn't have enough money to keep their electric on or buy food. many don't have big tv's or smart phones or any phone at all. you're another one that's never been there.


The protestor's are paid hacks of the SEIU. The media has already proven that the people protesting are not the ones working at these places. This is the unions yearly attempt to bolster their numbers. They send people out to chant about a $15/hr living wage all the while they are paying those protestor's $10/hr. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Dr. Information

Unassumer. These protesters are not even McD's workers. They are part of D15, a conglomeration of multiple organizations, including Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and the National Action Network.

Must be easy for the union guy at the protest."I want them to get paid," said James Monger, a 54-year-old, $23-per-hour union construction worker entering the restaurant during the protest. "These (owners) make money."

Does anyone actually know what a McDonalds franchise owner actually makes a year? 10% of its sales. Yup, highway robbery (sarcasm).

Anyone know how much McDonalds has to pay our in royalties? The franchisees are currently paying up to 12% of store sales in rent.

Opening a major restaurant franchise is impossible for the average American.

McDonald's usually requires "$750,000 of non-borrowed personal resources" before considering an application, according to its website.

Bottom line. Before you open your mouth about how its so unfair, know your facts. Store owners aren't running away with anything and they are putting up a substantial amount of money (that takes a long time to pay off) to open a store.

Some people are just uneducated beyond repair.


The UCFW sent paid picketers to march in front of a Super WalMart for minimum wage with no benefits. After watching them march around for hours in all sorts of weather for a few days, the manager went out there, handed them all applications and told them what he was paying. They were all working for WalMart before the end of the day. He called the Local that sent them and asked them to send him some more because he needed more staff.


Has anyone considered the unintended consequences caused by raising the minimum wage. If you double the wage, will we have to double Social Security payments to offset inflation? Double food stamps for the unemployed? Double the income tax? Trying to artificially boost an economy was tried in 2009, result has been disastrous.


I only patronize fast food joints while traveling and even then I only get coffee.

H*ll, if $15.00/hr. is good, why not $50.00/hr.?

Wanna know why the poor are getting poorer?

As an example: Since 2000 ALONE, the U.S. dollar has lost approx. 38% of it's value.

Look no further for your answers than the Federal Resv. and U.S. monetary and fiscal policies for the past 50 yrs.

Contrary to the wrong-headed progressives, this issue did NOT begin with the Bush Admin.

looking around

Contango, a captain of industry such as yourself shouldn't be eating at fast food restaurants anyway. it's so beneath you! Ruth's Chris would suit your taste better. Why worry if the burger flippers and drive thru window worker want in on a little of the action of the franchise owner....


Re: "Ruth Cris"

Never been in one.

You wrongly assume how most self-made people became wealthy and what their tastes are.

You have no idea who the vast majority of wealthy are in this country. But you more than likely believe the populist tripe.

Those that flaunt it usually ain't got it and are generally up to their eyeballs in debt.

A somewhat out of date, but still relevant book for you:

My spouse and I are EXCELLENT cooks. We seldom eat out.

looking around

You assume that I'm not self made and wealthy as well? I wonder how you make such assumptions? I can assure you it is quite to the contrary. But unlike yourself I've never placed myself on a pedestal and looked down on those who's struggles have not resulted in the same success.


Re: "You assume that I'm not self made and wealthy as well?"

Hey! If you wanna eat at Ruth Cris or fly to Paris for lunch in your private jet, it's OK with me.

How is a "wealthy progressive" not an oxymoron?


Re: "looked down on those,"

Keep wrongly assuming, it makes your posts funny.

H*ll, I want everyone to be wealthy don't you?

Unfortunately, most will not or do not want to take the time, or will not expend the energy to understand basic personal finance and economics.

The mythical Robin Hood stole from the rich (the govt & the church) and gave back to the taxpayers - works for me!

Stop It



Did the SEIU deduct taxes from the money they paid the protestors and issue a 1099?

Also, did they deduct union dues from the money they paid?

I wonder how many of the paid protestors could pass a drug test. For that matter, how many at McD's, BK, Wendy's et al could pass a wizz test?


Raise the minimum wage to what ever dollar value you want. Those additional costs will be passed on in the cost of the product.

Raising the minimum wage does not solve the problem it compounds it.


I do think that $15 per hour is an unrealistic request. Obama's suggestion of around $10/hr. is a better idea. Although some of the workers are well-educated and underemployed due to the recession, many are working minimum wage because they don't have anything beyond a HS diploma or GED. So, $10 an hour will allow them to at least earn a living wage, while not devaluing the salary the rest of us receive.

I worked hard during HS and worked hard during college, and as a result, have always had the training that allowed me to get higher-paying jobs.
Scholarships and grants are available to those who can't afford college, but are only given to those who earn good grades in college. However, before conservatives jump on that bandwagon, we need to mention that they are complicit in the under-education of the poor, since they typically vote to cut funding of education at the local and state level.

We really need to stop thinking that every person who is on welfare or food stamps is lazy, and doesn't want to work. No one WANTS to live on a few hundred a week. Low pay perpetuates the problem: If you can only earn $300 a week (before taxes) working at McDonald's, and have to pay for day care and gas to get to work, and even the pittance you get from welfare equals that amount, what would YOU do?


Re: "I do think that $15 per hour is an unrealistic request. Obama's suggestion of around $10/hr. is a better idea."

Keepin' the working man down? For shame!

Turn in your progressive card.

Wanna end unemployment tomorrow? Eliminate the min. wage.

The reversion will be to the mean and those who are productive will be valued and compensated accordingly.

Min. wage and unions are protection for the unproductive.

Unfortunately, central planners like yourself hate the free market and believe that a highly controlled economy is best - hence the malinvestments and unintended consequences.

Even more authoritarian laws will help fix the previous authoritarian laws that aren't working, right?


Re: "under-education of the poor, since they typically vote to cut funding of education at the local and state level."

So increased funding will overcome the disastrous national HS drop-out rate?

There's a reason why the word "self" is in the term self-motivation.

Like most liberals, you're blind to what behavior it is that you are rewarding.

If you want more of it, just keep rewarding it.


Look no further than the Cleveland Metropolitan School District as proof that throwing more money at education doesn't usually end with better results.

Dr. Information

If one is making 300 a week, why is that our problem? Shouldn't that be motivation to look for better paying work or here is an idea, get an education. If one is making 300 dollars a week they shouldn't be having children because they simply will not be able to take care of them.

You are full of excuses, thats it coasterfan. Excuse after excuse. Of course I see why you think you are right. You are a retired teacher? You are from the occupation that if something isn't right, you just throw more tax payers money at it and all will be good. If that doesn't fix it, you just ask for more. Look around pal, its not working.
Outside of the communist manifesto that Im sure you had your kids recite every single day, what part of minimum wage do you not understand?


Re: "Shouldn't that be motivation to look for better paying work,"

Good point!

"McJobs" should pay $72K annually ($15/hr x 1440 hrs).

That'll help to LOCK 'em into low skilled jobs for the rest of their lives - SMART!


coasterfan re. "since they typically vote to cut funding of education at the local and state level"

I have never seen proof that more money equals a better education.

No student left behind was a bipartisan bill signed by President Bush and was meant to close the gap between the top and bottom students. It was to bring the bottom students up a few notches.

In an article I read in one of my Mensa Research Journal issues the study showed that in lieu of offering additional assistance to the lower group of students to close the gap it was easier for the teachers to just spend less attention to the upper group of students ergo they closed the gap by bringing the top down in lieu of raising the lower group up.

Dr. Information

In all reality. The US has been throwing more and more money at education and we are behind the ball. More money isn't the answer.


Re: "under-education of the poor,"

Continue to focus on the wrong end of the problem.

So your answer is increased funding for more mush-headed, feel-good, liberal public education?

"Shanghai teens top international education ranking, OECD says":

And then the dumbed-down progressives stupidly wonder why the world is "eating our lunch."


I worked two jobs for the first twenty three years after high school. Wife has always worked and raised a family. If you want to provide for them, you do what you have to do. We are in a position now that I can retire in another year and she doesn't work any more. You always mention the conservatives, but I guess working two jobs is not a standard that libs want to think about. Therefore, stay on food stamps.


Coasterfan:"I worked hard during HS and worked hard during college, and as a result, have always had the training that allowed me to get higher-paying jobs."

Thank you for proving our point.


What a bunch of crybabies! Why not just have a kid or two and get everything for free? Welfare is more profitable than minimum wage anyways. Less is more these days....thanks Obama, you are great! Or wait, isn't it Bushs fault? I can't keep up. But it is NOT the workers fault, they are victims and entitled to $15.00/hr. Poor poor burger flipping drop-outs. Yes I do want fries with that nucca!

Dr. Information

Exactly. Job pay is related to skill set. It takes one more than likely less than an hour to be trained to be a burger flipper at McD's. Same as lawn care. Get in a truck, drive to a house, hop on a mower, turn it on and mow. Its not rocket science.

I know a very smart and rich man who went to school and got his business degree and then masters. His starting job was an errand boy for a large firm out of Dallas. A better job opened up within the company and he moved up. 10 years later, he is at the top. He always tells me that people today just don't get it, they want everything handed to them with minimal effort. Moral to the story: If you do not like where you are, its in your hands to change that. No excuses.


Re: "If you do not like where you are, its in your hands to change that."

Unemployment in ND is 2.7%.

The Bakken area is goin' NUTZ!

Drive, borrow the money, hitch hike - whateveryagottado - get there!

Or instead, just sit where you are and b*tch and moan about how unfair life is.

"I bargained with Life for a penny,":


LOL. Most of those complaining wouldn't do the back breaking work of a crew member on an oil rig. They want a roughneck's pay but they don't want to work to hard for it. But hey, burger flipping is hard manual labor don't ya know?


Re: "oil rig."

True. But there are thousands of other ancillary jobs to be had flipping that probably pay more than $15/hr.

Supply and demand.

But, but it's TOO cold in ND...whaa, whaa.

I'll have to leave my family and friends...whaa, whaa.

And then the same bozos b*tch about Mexes coming up to the U.S. and stealing jobs. lol

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The Hero Zone

A few of the guys from the store's community went there to work and are pulling down six figures a year. Fast food places and Walmarts are paying at LEAST 15/hour with several thousand dollar signing bonuses to compete.


Are you telling me that the job fairy didn't bring him his job? Or the often spoke of never actually seen "Silver Spoon"?


LOL. You are right though, nearly everyone on here showing their envy of people who make more than them just can't help but to throw out the excuse that the person was born with a silver spoon in their mouth. Apparently,you can't get ahead by hard work and preparation only by having things given to you. The ignorance of these people is overwhelming.


I keep putting my resume under my pillow at night! no luck! Get up, go to work, do what you're told, and do it to the best of your ability. Opportunities knock everyday, if you're too lazy to get up and answer the door, you can only blame yourself. Hard work is what built this country, not handouts.


Once again people who don't want to work and want to get everything. I have over 25 years of succesful management experience and have been laid off and I can't find a job that pays even $12 hr. and these people want $15, fire them all and get people who want to work for their wages. The problem is that in today's world people are believing in "Entitlement", they are entitled to this and that but don't want to work for it.

The New World Czar

OK, for those of you unabashed wealth distributors...let's do a little reality math.

CEO of McDonald's makes approximately $20.7 million this past year. McDonald's employs approximately 1.9 million people company wide. Let's say now in the spirit of the season, the CEO decides to distribute 50% of the compensation back to the employees. Do the math...this comes out to $5.45/year per employee. Divide it by a 52 hour work week and you get $0.105/week. Divide it by 40 hours per week and you get $0.0026/hour.

So, again, in the name of social justice- how much will a happy meal cost if these wages go up to $15/hour from $7.25/hr?


"CEO of McDonald's makes approximately $20.7 million this past year. McDonald's employs approximately 1.9 million people company wide"

You do realize that over 95% of McDonald's restaurants are franchises? Do you know that franchises are owned and run by the owner of the franchise and he is the one who pays the burger flippers, not the CEO. The owner of the franchise pays Mcdonalds for the study for finding where they can build a store, the design of the store, the equipment in the store, the food brought to the store,the paper products, and nearly everything that isprovided to the store... or at least the franchise has to buy them from whonm the corporate tells them to or else they can't use the McDonald's name. The rate of pay is up to the franchise owner, not the CEO. Your example leaves that out of the equation. Corporate McDonalds doesn't care what the franchise owner pays... as long as it is a legal pay scale. Sorry to include inconvenient facts that make your example moot.

Look up what it takes to buy a McDonald's franchise... it ain't cheap, it ain't easy to comply with all the regulations the corporate require you to follow to use the McDonald's name.

Dr. Information

Andddd franchise owners only profit 10% of sales on avg. depending on the location.

The New World Czar

No arguing the mootness of the comparison. It was to give an idea that the living wage increase is going to translate into charging huge $$$ for meals...and sooner than later demand for the inflated product goes down, and so do the franchisees.

Do the math a different way- an increase of $7.75 per hour for the 1.9 million employees means an hourly increase of nearly $15 million, or $589 million per week ($30.6 billion per year). Hey, if GM can get sunk by its own weight, why not McD's? Better yet, BHO would bail them out and have them all unionize with the UFCW or SEIU. Nah, even he'd get stopped by his arugula-promoting wife.


Ding fries are done....ding fries are done....


Would you like an apple pie with that?




Vicariously alive are they hiring were you work? I know a single mom that would want the job you described at $15.00 per hour. Give us details please.


Figures don't lie. Liars figure. thanxs fn.


Knew it...stinkin snow crickets!


At the end of the day, it comes down to what works and what doesn't. The capitalist system that this nation has used for 250 years has created millions of good jobs and made our lifestyle the envy of the world. The last counry that tried to pay everyone the same salary regarless of value was the old Soviet Union. Gee, how has that worked out?


I have no clue what the point is in any of this just let it be .