Spending stumbling block to budget deal

Senate Republicans and Democrats hit an impasse Sunday over spending in their last-ditch struggle to avoid an economy-jarring default in just four days and end a partial government shutdown that enters its third week.
Associated Press
Oct 14, 2013

After inconclusive talks between President Barack Obama and House Republicans, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., took charge in trying to end the crises although no resolution seemed imminent.

"Americans want Congress to compromise," Reid said at the start of a rare Sunday session in the Senate in which he pressed for a long-term budget deal.

The two cagy negotiators are at loggerheads over Democratic demands to undo or change the automatic, across-the-board spending cuts to domestic and defense programs that the GOP see as crucial to reducing the nation's deficit.

McConnell insisted that a solution was readily available in the proposal from a bipartisan group of 12 senators, led by Sens. Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., that would re-open the government and fund it at current levels for six month while raising the debt limit through Jan. 31.

"It's time for Democrat leaders to take 'yes' for an answer," McConnell said in a statement.

The latest snag comes as 350,000 federal workers remain idle, hundreds of thousands more work without pay and an array of government services, from home loan applications to environmental inspections, were on hold on the 13th day of the shutdown.

Unnerving to world economies is the prospect of the United States defaulting on its financial obligations on Thursday if Congress fails to raise the borrowing authority above the $16.7 trillion debt limit.

Christine Lagarde, the International Monetary Fund's managing director, spoke fearfully about the disruption and uncertainty, warning of a "risk of tipping, yet again, into recession" after the fitful recovery from 2008.

The reaction of world financial markets and the Dow Jones on Monday will influence any congressional talks while politically Republicans are reeling from an initial, now abandoned, strategy to link defunding of the health care law with keeping the government operating.

"We're in a free-fall as Republicans, but Democrats are not far behind," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., in warning Democrats about seizing on the GOP's bruised brand as leverage to extract more concessions.

McConnell and Republicans want to continue current spending at $986.7 billion and leave untouched the new round of cuts in January, commonly known as sequester, that would reduce the amount to $967 billion. Democrats want to figure out a way to undo the reductions, plus a long-term extension of the debt limit increase and a short-term spending bill to reopen the government.

"Republicans want to do it with entitlement cuts," said Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y. "Democrats want to do it with a mix of mandatory cuts, some entitlements and revenues. And so how do you overcome that dilemma? We're not going to overcome it in the next day or two. But if we were to open up the government for a period of time that concluded before the sequester took place, which is Jan. 15, we could have a whole bunch of discussions."

Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, told reporters that the two sides are roughly $70 billion apart, the difference between the $1.058 trillion Senate budget amount and the $988 billion envisioned by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis.

"We haven't picked a number, but clearly we need to negotiate between those two," Durbin said.

Republicans dismiss the latest request as Reid moving the goalposts in negotiations as they were getting closer to resolving the stalemate that has paralyzed Washington. They also argue that it is disingenuous for Democrats to resist any changes in the 3-year-old health care law while trying to undo the 2011 budget law that put the cuts on track.

"I think the Democrats are on the verge of being one tick too cute as they see the House possibly in disarray — they now are overreaching, and I think that what we've got to do is get this back in the middle of the road, act like adults," said Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn.

Graham and Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said they would not support any deal that upends the spending limits imposed by the 2011 law, and predicted that their Senate GOP colleagues would oppose it as well.

Plus the House and its fractious Republicans remained a possible headache in the coming week.

"I think at this point we've got to figure out a way to get something out of the Senate that we think is close enough for the House to accept," Corker said.

Out of play, for now, was the Republican-led House, where Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, told GOP lawmakers early Saturday that his talks with the president had ground to a halt.

Also sidelined, at least for now, was the plan forged by Collins and a bipartisan coalition to briefly fund the government and extend the $16.7 trillion debt limit, in exchange for steps like temporarily delaying the medical device tax that helps fund the health care law.

Democrats said Collins' plan curbed spending too tightly, and Reid announced Saturday it was going nowhere.

Collins said Sunday that both Democrats and Republicans continue to offer ideas and say they want to be part of the group working to reopen the government and address the debt ceiling before Thursday's deadline.

"We're going to keep working, offering our suggestions to the leadership on both sides of the aisle in an attempt to be constructive and bring this impasse to an end. Surely we owe that to the American people," Collins said.

Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., a participant in the Collins' talks, said she sees the plan and the fact that the Senate leaders are talking as a positive going forward.

"We need that right now," she said. While Reid wouldn't accept everything in the Collins proposal, she said Reid "knows there are some positive things in that plan," such as opening the government in a "smart timeframe" not defaulting on debt and doing something in the long term on the budget.

Not far from the Capitol, Sens. Ted Cruz and Mike Lee, the two tea party Republicans who led the unsuccessful fight to tie the health care law to government spending, were part of a demonstration at the World War II Memorial where a crowd pushed through barriers to protest its closing due to the shutdown.

They were joined by 2008 vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

Klobuchar and Collins were on CNN's "State of the Union." Graham appeared on ABC's "This Week," Corker was interviewed on "Fox News Sunday," Schumer spoke on CBS' "Face the Nation" and Lagarde was on NBC's "Meet the Press."



Shizza he's a commie & a taker. Also a God forsaker. Hell awaits him - this we know. Cause everyday he does blo.....


"...he's a commie & a taker.Also a God forsaker. Hell awaits him ..."... and a game player.

He's got "LOSER" written all over him.


Re: "So, do have a hyperlink to this nonsense?"

"Fool me once, shame on you."
You didn't fool me twice.


@ 4shizzle:

Yea, maybe you ought to be preaching to your "God-fearing" womanizing pal about being a loser.

"Spent the night with a single mom."

"She & I both got the maximum + she got a bonus!"

"...I was 4" thick,"

- kURTje (Oct. 12, 2013)


Again: Good luck with your little fairy tale and I can see that you're really excited about your fantasy "World Dictator" overseeing the murder of over 1 billion Muslims and other non-Christians.

Pretty sick stuff ya got there.


"Again: Good luck with your little fairy tale and I can see that you're really excited about your fantasy "World Dictator" overseeing the murder of over 1 billion Muslims and other non-Christians."

.........Nah , like always , your understanding has failed you and your ignorance comes shining through , Commietango.
It's your funeral.


Re: "your understanding,"

So 1 billion Muslims and billions more non-Christians are just gonna accept your "World Dictator" and not put up a fight?

Where did you get this nonsense?


Are you new to this planet ?


Yes, I'm in the vanguard.

We're busy programing a humanoid android Jesus so End time nuts like you and your boyfriend kURTje will follow him, start wars and ultimately destroy your species. :)


I've got a question for you :
Does it hurt to be so crazy , Commietango ?


Re: "Does it hurt to be so crazy,"


The End time nuts were wrong in the yrs. 1000 & 2000, care to try for 3000? :)



The ignorance of God in this country is pathetic.


Re: "The Jews have everything ready to build the temple but the holdup is that the Muzz's own the Temple Mount."

"They also have the furniture , clothing ,etc. already made to fill the place."

"Muzz's"? So disrespecting Muslims is OK?

So how are the Jews gonna get it back?

And the Jews are gonna accept your “World Dictator”?



You would hate being a dhimmī - you would have to pay a lot of taxes or die.
You'd choose death.


Re: "You'd choose death."

And you'd pray towards Mecca?


I know that you'd pray towards Mecca if you didn't have to pay the tax.


Glad you notice oldster if you like guys that's your choice. Imo you don't like America. You want to denigrate those that will fight for her. My Rifle. You hate the Marine General that authored too? That's why Bullies always hate those that are stronger and are armed. (Probably think "Green Zone Josh Mandel is a warrior)


Shizza these are the oldsters that hurt America. Always taking. Never serving. Their father served, not them. Self-centered. The entitled generation. Stinkin commies.


" Never serving. "

What is the percentage of you generation who served? What percentage have been in combat? Please link to the numbers. Time to put up your proof, guessing is meaningless.

I bet you won't post up, as I have already found the actual numbers... and they don't back you claims... Are you just wrong or are you lying?


Didn't figure you would answer.

Fewer are serving (by percentage) than the oldsters did. Less than 1/2 of 1% of the current generation.


This one shows, with charts and graph the decrease in percentage over the years since 1960.


That should put the one note samba to bed, or back into the closet. Oh yeah, I bookmarked it for future use...


Don't work too hard. kURTje spends most of his time drunk and he thinks with his 6 o'clock:

"Spent the night with a single mom."

"She & I both got the maximum + she got a bonus!"

"...I was 4" thick,"

- kURTje (Oct. 12, 2013)

The topic was OH raising the min. wage - go figure. LOL.


We keep him around for comic relief.


Glad you watch also. The commie stated he never served, hence my previous discourse. He can't turn back his hands of time.


You were making a generalized statement about a generation to 4shi. I did not butt in when you were answering Contango.

Your generation has had fewer people to seve than anytime since well before 1960,(I didn't bother to go back beyond 50 years as it was clear how the numbers are running) you have nothing to brag about. Few people have served for generations and yours fewer than any before. Your generation is nothing special in that area. It has been over half a century since much of a percentage have served.

I have never liked when people use such things as a "crutch" to try to upbraid others. It is a sign of a stunted person.... same as trumpting union membership instead of standing on their own. It sure doesn't make me happy to be put into such groups when these people try to stand on the shoulders of those who did the same thing... and don't use the group for support. I prefer to walk alone to slinking in a group.