Food stamp debit cards stop working in many states

Temporary shutdown during routine tests leaves some residents in Ohio, Michigan and 15 other states unable to get groceries.
Associated Press
Oct 12, 2013

 

People in Ohio, Michigan and 15 other states found themselves unable to use their food stamp debit-style cards on Saturday, after a routine check by vendor Xerox Corp. resulted in a system failure.

The electronic benefits system experienced a temporary shutdown during a routine test of Xerox back-up systems, company spokeswoman Jennifer Wasmer said Saturday.

"While the system is now up and running, beneficiaries in the 17 affected states continue to experience connectivity issues to access their benefits. Technical staff is addressing the issue and expect the system to be restored soon," Wasmer said in an emailed statement. "Beneficiaries requiring access to their benefits can work with their local retailers who can activate an emergency voucher system where available. We appreciate our clients' patience while we work through this outage as quickly as possible."

U.S. Department of Agriculture spokeswoman Courtney Rowe underscored that the outage is not related to the government shutdown.

Shoppers left carts of groceries behind at a packed Market Basket grocery store in Biddeford, Maine, because they couldn't get their benefits, said fellow shopper Barbara Colman, of Saco, Maine. The manager put up a sign saying the EBT system was not in use. Colman, who receives the benefits, called an 800 telephone line for the program and it said the system was down due to maintenance, she said.

"That's a problem. There's a lot of families who are not going to be able to feed children because the system is being maintenanced," Colman said. "No one should put maintenance in during the daytime."

She planned to reach out to local officials.

"I'm trying to reach out to everybody because I'm not thinking of me an adult who can figure out things. I'm thinking of the simpler person in the world who is sitting there trying to just do basic shopping to feed their kids. You don't want children going hungry tonight because of stupidity," she said.

Colman said the store manager promised her that he would honor the day's store flyer discounts next week.

Ohio's cash and food assistance card payment systems went down at 11 a.m., said Benjamin Johnson, a spokesman for the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services. Ohio's cash system has been fixed, however he said that its electronic benefits transfer card system is still down. Johnson said Xerox is notifying retailers to revert to the manual system, meaning SNAP customers can spend up to $50 until the system is back online. SNAP recipients should call the 800 number on the back of their card, and Xerox will guide them through the purchase process.

Illinois residents began reporting problems with their cards — known as LINK in that state — on Saturday morning, said Januari Smith, spokeswoman for the Illinois Department of Human Services.

Smith said that typically when the cards aren't working retailers can call a backup phone number to find out how much money a customer has available in their account. But that information also was unavailable because of the outage, so customers weren't able to use their cards.

"It really is a bad situation but they are working to get it fixed as soon as possible," Smith said. "We hope it will be back up later today."

In Clarksdale, Miss. — one of the poorest parts of one of the poorest states in the nation — cashier Eliza Shook said dozens of customers at Corner Grocery had to put back groceries when the cards failed Saturday because they couldn't afford to pay for the food. After several hours, she put a sign on the front door to tell people about the problem.

"It's been terrible," Shook said in a phone interview. "It's just been some angry folks. That's what a lot of folks depend on."

Mississippi Department of Human Services director Rickey Berry confirmed that Xerox, the state's EBT vendor, had computer problems. He said he had been told by midafternoon that the problems were being fixed.

"I know there are a lot of mad people," Berry said.

Sheree Powell, a spokeswoman for the Oklahoma Department of Human Services, started receiving calls around 11:30 a.m. about problems with the state's card systems. More than 600,000 Oklahomans receive SNAP benefits, and money is dispersed to the cards on the first, fifth and 10th days of every month, so the disruption came at what is typically a high-use time for the cards.

Oklahoma also runs a separate debit card system for other state benefits like unemployment payments. Those cards can be used at ATMs to withdraw cash. Powell said Xerox administers both the EBT and debit card systems, and they both were down initially.

Like Ohio's Johnson, Powell said that Oklahoma's cash debit card system has since been restored, but the EBT cards for the SNAP program were still down. Powell said Oklahoma's Xerox representative told them that the problems stemmed from a power failure at a data center, and power had been restored quickly.

"It just takes a while to reboot these systems," she said, adding that she did not know where the data center was located.

Powell said that some grocery store cashiers had been speculating that the federal government's shutdown caused the problem, but state officials have been assured that that is not the case.

"We are hopeful it will be up this afternoon but we were not given a specific time frame," she said.

David Akerly, a spokesman for Michigan's Department of Human Services, also confirmed that residents in his state have reported problems using their cards.

Comments

mikesee

Oh well that is just to bad. Get a job.

Informed

Many people who receive SNAP do have a job. Some actually have more than one.

mikesee

You are right. However, the ones that I have seen on the news all appear to be healthy and instead of whining and crying about their card being down maybe that should prompt them to find a job!

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fewdss

Start working at home with Google! Its by-far the best job Ive had. Last Wednesday I got a brand new BMW since getting a check for $6474. I began this 8-months ago and immediately was bringing home at least $77 per hour. Useful Reference http://ow.ly/pAu07
WORK LESS EARN MORE

Mum-of-One

minimum wage does not feed a family.

Simple Enough II

Maybe some folks should think of that before starting a family?

Dr. Information

exactly simple enough.....everyone just does what they want to do without thought and then blames someone else for their actions.

deertracker

How do you know they didn't and just fell on hard times?

Simple Enough II

Because i know of a few examples personaly. Frustrates the crap out of me.

From the Grave

And some DID work, and WISH they still could work, but can't anymore. Should they go without food? Will you look them in the eyes while they starve and tell them "too bad?"

Perkins2060

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deertracker

Get a life 2060!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Perkins2060

I'm sorry

deertracker

I'm not sorry that you are not worthy of the label human! You are who you are!

Ms.Psych101

Sorry, but what about the older (elderly) disabled people who receive food stamps because they CAN'T work? I guess it's their fault that they are unable to work? Some people should THINK before they SPEAK! Everyone who receives food stamps aren't lazy, or just taking advantage of the system, SOME actually need the benefits, and if people such as yourself can't understand that, then shame on you, and I really hope YOU or anyone that you love ever falls on hard times, ESPECIALLY during your elderly years!

Simple Enough II

Yeah I guess like the lady that goes to a local charity organization that gives out bags/boxes of goods to the needy, she just likes the fruit so she gives the rest away..... and no those she gives to don't need it either.

shucks

Even the grave digging business is dying.

deertracker

Cremation is cheaper!

shucks

Hmmm, I could save some money.

Simple Enough II

Sure until they drop below 12% for men and 18% for women body fat, then I might help them!

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thinkagain

The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing this year the greatest amount of free meals and food stamps ever -- to 46 million people.

Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks us "Please Do Not Feed the Animals."

Their stated reason for the policy is because, "The animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves."

phroggy

Probably the best comment I've ever read. I bow before you, Master Po.

Informed

I thought you were a Christian, Think. Christians feed the hungry with no judgement!

SaraMac

Yes,they sure do. Including trying to feed humans to lions. Christians have been one of the most violent people around, or belong to a CULT they claim is a church. (westboro) Sorry, but you are wasting your breath. And before you even think it, DON'T offer to pray for me. Thank you.

Señor Clown

Jesus helps those who help themselves. Give a man a fish, and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, well you get the point.

Informed

You need to re-read your Bible. I don't recall him telling people that only those that deserved it could eat when he performed the miracle with the loaves and fishes.

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thinkagain

Now you’re just embarrassing yourself! Although that’s typical for an un-Informed atheist.

2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

Informed

First of all, I am neither uninformed, nor an atheist. Secondly, Jesus never turned away the hungry.
I love how you pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to follow. A true Christian helps the needy. Period.

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thinkagain

And I just love how your hypocritical argument totally lacks logic. You condemn me for not following a part of the bible, while failing to mention what part that might be. Yet, you on the other hand “pick and choose” to not follow 2 Thessalonians 3:10.

Informed

I'm not the holier-than-thou one that's always preaching and bragging what a good Christian I am. That would be you. And I already did state another part--the loaves and fishes. Do you want me to start naming others?

Nemesis

Until you show where He advocated taking money from others at swordpoint to feed the poor, or having Ceasar do so, nothing you cite bears relevance to the issue at hand.

arnmcrmn

Exactly. Jesus was against the overall idea of government. Jesus didn't turn his back on those that truly needed help. Example, the blind man who was a beggar and who could hardly walk.

You anti Christian big government lovers tend to just lump everyone in the same boat. Christian's love helping people who are willing and trying to help themselves. Jesus and his teachings weren't about taking from the working person to help the person who wants to sit at home and do nothing but is capable of working.

Think about it. Helping people that want to help themselves. Not continuously make the same bad mistakes, while blaming someone else and want someone else to pay for it.

Want a good example. Here ya go, this was on my news feed yesterday. This is taking over America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t...

shucks

@ arnmcrmn

"Jesus was against the overall idea of government. "
..............................No , you're wrong.

Informed

And no one is taking money from people at "swordpoint".

Nemesis

Only because now they use guns.

shucks

No Señor , that's not in the Bible.

margaritaville88

Agreed thinkagain: While i don't condone kids not eating, but the baby daddys selling there food for a 40 oz, cigs, and dope to 'cruise the streets'..that itself should be child abuse!! Keep your legs closed to thugs ladies!!!!!!! Bye the way..we actually have to LOOK at the prices at food before we fling it in our cart...very hard for must of us on a paying BUDGET!!!!!!!!!!!

santown419

Maybe they are using it on their cobras and their chewing tobacco ' to cruise on their tractors'. I bet that's what a lot of Pappi's do. Maybe they should watch out for the trash.

From the Grave

Let's stop helping EVERYONE because some people abuse the help. Let's lump the disabled and elderly in with the able bodied drug addict thugs.

From the Grave

I hear what you are saying, but just because you work and make money doesn't mean you aren't totally dependent on other people, like~your employer, the electric and gas companies, oil companies, your grocery store, the police and fire departments...the list goes on and on. Try moving to a log cabin in the middle of the woods and you'll find out how dependent you've become.

Perkins2060

We pay for these services. AND the losers who get this free ebt garbage most likely don't pay for their own electric and gas. Us workers pay for that too. Lazy, worthless bums.

shucks

@ thinkagain

You better re-examine "your" Christianity.

Informed

Right, she's all for supporting fetuses, but wants children to starve. Some Christian.

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thinkagain

You’ve questioned my discernment and now my Christianity? This coming from the most prolific abuser of the SR’s discussion guidelines. Here is but a small recent sampling of your “Christian” nature.

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 2:30am
Dumb ass, do you think he is a prophet who saw into the future?

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 1:05pm
dumbass troll

Sat, 10/12/2013 - 1:04pm
always the dumbass

You call into question my Christianity, while you continue to support the political party that advocates the sin of abortion and same-sex marriage. You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye.

shucks

I've said even worse than that, Mr. Legalistic.

I agree with :2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

But Jesus said :

Matthew 26:11
The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me.

Luke 11:41
But now as for what is inside you—be generous to the poor, and everything will be clean for you.

Luke 12:33
Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.

You support a party that constantly lies , slanders the President , and tries to crush the poor.

Yea , you should shut your mouth and re-examine YOUR legalistic Christianity.

PS

And you are pretty loose about judging people about whether they're saved or not.

Nemesis

But where is the relevant verse to this topic - the one that says send armed men out and forcibly take money from others to feed the poor?

Nemesis

Well, shizzle?

shucks

@ Nemesis

Give me the book , chapter , and verse of that in the bible.

shucks

Well, Nemesis ?

Simple Enough II

Cat Fight...Cat Fight!!!!

heresy22

Ever eat shellfish or pork? Oh how about clothes made of different clothes? Why is divorce legal if scripture is against it? Don't pick and choose the verse that supports your bigotry. I would have more respect if you told me you don't support same sex marriage "because it's icky". IRT the abortion comment, your god (yup lower case for an imaginary being) of the old testament killed more babies than any of our modern day abortion doctors. So please tell me who is the hypocrite.

Religion is much like a penis, it's ok to have one, and what you do with it in private is your business. But keep it out of my face and don't base your government decisions with it.

44824 north

Welcome to what the working people go through. I guess they won't get there junk food.

Trekkydotty

Oh thinkagain, I wish there was a "Love it!" Button! The program certainly has a place in some situations, but I for one am sick of watching people buy pepsi, frozen appetizers with zero nutritional value and best of all . . Lobsters.

Mum-of-One

It is one thing to judge a person because they use a SNAP card for their food. It's another thing to try to control or limit what they can eat. A SNAP recipient is just as significant as you are and it is not your place to re-victimize them by judging them based solely on the fact that they receive SNAP benefit. Remember this, they have been through the application process and approved long before you see them use their card in the store. It is not your place to cast a judgement on someone when you do not know their circumstances. Shame on you.

Señor Clown

You've apparently never witnessed the horror of seeing a family of morbidly obese individuals in dirty sweats push two grocery carts filled almost exclusively with cases of Pepsi and Mountain Dew, bags upon bags of Doritos, and box after box of Little Debbie snacks through a Walmart checkout.

Mum-of-One

Senor Clown, I have witnessed the same as you but I choose not to judge.

Perkins2060

It's a free country and I'm one of the ones paying for it so I'll say what I want about these lazy worthless leaches of society.

Tsu Dho Nimh

Would you say it if you had to post your real name?

deertracker

He absolutely would NOT!

Perkins2060

Yes, you go first.

santown419

Your talking to a person who thinks if you have Perkins or numbers in your screen name you are stalking them. You can't argue with dumba$$es.

PyrkinsPyrate

When a person relies on SNAP to get food it demonstrates a lack of judgement and poor decision making. Usually it involves being common street trash and sleeping with irresponsible men who are either unwilling or incapable of providing for their offspring. So if a person is a big enough loser to need help buying food it would not be a bad idea for someone with better decision making skills to dictate what that person should be able to buy because they have already demonstrated they are irresponsible.

Informed

Not only is that not factual, it shows a great deal of judgment on your part. There are plenty of hardworking people that need a little extra help, as well as a lot of disabled and elderly people that rely on SNAP to help get them through the month.
You need to quit thinking the exceptions are the rule.

YoMamma

Lobster has nutritional value. So do t-bone, crab legs!

phroggy

OMG the entire city of Sandusky will starve!!!

yea right

hey i tell you what..i will go back to my job..i drove school bus.. and when i have another mass heart attack..like i already did and lost a big percentage of my heart.. i can crash the bus full of your kids..me i will be dead so i would not care..
just becarefull of what you wish for..

sugar

Makes me really give a rats butt if you eat at all.

Simple Enough II

Touchy aren't we?! Well if you can't work, do you have a garden?

Señor Clown

While your heart attack could have been attributed to smoking, poor diet, lack of exercise, or other preventable factors, it also could have been caused in part by factors you couldn't control. It doesn't sound like you'd pass a CDL physical now, though, so how are you going to go back to driving a bus?

yea right

clown you are wrong on all accounts.. but then again are you "perfect"..i am sure not.. remember you might be there someday yourself..iv worked hard all my life including serving in the military for 6 yrs..your welcome..and now you want to treat me like crap..really..wow you are a narrowed minded person ..whom i feel sorry for.. including the rest of the narrowness on here..

Simple Enough II

Uh Yeah Right, I served also, Did you see combat? Were you the tip of the spear? We all weren't Audy Murphy or John Basilone, not everyone was a grunt (but if you hear the stories now 15 years later you would think that with all the BS stories)!

grandmasgirl

Yea Right: That is such a childish remark!!!

deertracker

It's from a clown! What did you expect?

Dwight K.

Not everyone on food stamps is a scum bag

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The Hero Zone

This is true and unfortunate that the long term abusers overshadow those who need the program as a temporary safety net or to give longer aid to a disabled or destitute person. I also find it offensive that the USDA celebrates their statistics because those statistics are people.

InGodsArmy

I find it hard to believe that people will go hungry if their food stamp card isnt working for one day. I cant believe they are complaining about it. Be grateful it worked the other 29 days of the month; Geez!

Simple Enough II

+1

starryeyes83

Ironic this happened during the shutdown.

Massive system failure in Washington D.C. on ALL levels.

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2cents

If you depend on someone else to feed you, then you should treat it like a blizzard and keep at least a week of food on hand for emergences.

Simple Enough II

+1

Darwin's choice

Wait until these people demand their "Obamacare"!!

The "setup" for system abuse is already in place.

KURTje

Heard SSI is approaching a similar scenario. Any facts on that?

starryeyes83

SSI or SSDI ? Or SS Retirement? Heard the same rumblings, Not sure if all three Involved or what.

Contango

Nah! The SSDI will NEVER go bankrupt.

The feds will just call "Bubble Ben" or "Gelan' Yellen" and have him/her print a few more greenbacks.

Or, the Chinese and the Japanese who already own over $1T in U.S. debt each, will just lend us a few hundred billion more.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource...

Not-to-worry, everything will be fine. :7

shucks

"Not-to-worry, everything will be fine. :7"

................Yep, the World Dictator will make everything just fine.

Kottage Kat

I am and just got mine cut from 18.00 to 15
00. I am frugal and many have far less. Please before you call me lazy, or tell me to get a job. I workedd 44 years. Spent my savings to live on while caring for my parents.
PLEASE not all who need help are to be called names.
THANK YOU

TrollingRageind...

You had 44 years to save up, I hope yours gets cut to 0.

Pterocarya frax...

That would be a good way to turn a solid republican over to democrat. And I hope you never need help.

Kottage Kat

I spent all my savings to live on while I took care of my parents. This not what I had planned, nor did I ask for sympathy from any or all
Just tired of being lumped with those who abuse the system
Being honest avoids Karma.
God Bless you sir or madam for your kindness and compassion

nonconformist

Kat, ignore Trolling. His name says it all!

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thinkagain

I’m certainly not advocating we do away with helping the truly needy like yourself Kat. One of my hearts burdens is the plight of the homeless and I am active in their support with my time and my money. May God bless you for taking care of your parents. 1 Timothy 5:8

Informed

But wait, you just said earlier that people should not be helped. Now you change your tune. You help the homeless, but not other people with children who will otherwise go hungry? You help the homeless, even though it might be their own fault that they are in that predicament, but not those same people if they had housing and SNAP? That makes absolutely no sense.

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thinkagain

Your kind is not interested in discussion or debate. You are content to make un-Informed assumptions and put words in other people’s mouths. This is why I seldom respond to liberal trolls.

Of course, you really don’t care if I respond or not, it’s obvious you enjoy one-sided conversation.

The Big Dog's back

Just pointing out your hypocrisy.

santown419

Come on man you have to be kidding you and your buddies come on here on negative bs and now you want to have a heart.

Informed

I am not making any kind of assumptions, not putting words in anyone's mouth. Just pointing out your conflicting statements and hypocrisy.
Explain how helping the homeless is different from helping people in a similar situation who happen to have a roof over their head and a SNAP card?
Also, please explain how it's okay to care more about a one-month old embryo than a one-year-old child? After all, you want all abortion to stop, but you don't want to help feed children that are already here.

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thinkagain

There is nothing to explain, for you are still putting words in my mouth. Your continual assumptions and straw man arguments only prove one thing. You do not have the ability to carry on a rational conversation.

Informed

What words did I put in your mouth? And what am I assuming? Please, do tell.

Nemesis

"Explain how helping the homeless is different from helping people in a similar situation who happen to have a roof over their head and a SNAP card?"

Simple - one may VOLUNTARILY make efforts and contributions toward what one sees as effective private programs to help the homeless, or anyone else in need without there being any conflict with objections to being FORCED to support programs such as SNAP which one does not see as effective. If I discover that the local food bank is giving out Doritos and Mountain Dew, or steak and lobster, I can stop contributing, thus providing an incentive for them to do what it takes to make sure they provide sensible, nutritious food in the most efficient manner possible. Even though SNAP has been documented to provide Doritos, Mountain Dew, steak, and lobster, it faces no prospect of people ceasing contributions, because if they do so, men with guns come to take them to jail.

You complain about lumping the people who need temporary help in with the abusers and the generationally dependent. That's a consequence of government assistance programs being devoid of any requirement for behavioral change from recipients, in marked contrast to private charities that have to demonstrate effectiveness in order to get people to donate.

You leftists are fond of chanting "government is a word for things we do together," but it's really a word for things we are FORCED to do together. The private sector, both corporate and charitable, is a word for things we do together VOLUNTARILY.

santown419

You do make us true Christians look bad.

red white and blue

Thinkagain you are right on point!

santown419

Its not only the food stamps that is effected it is also the child support accounts

akmed

people should not have to pay taxes as long as the Goverment is shut down.

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2cents

But they are applying the difference toward the deficit, LOL NOT!

SaraMac

Ha! We all wish!

shucks

@akmed

Isn't that the source of this problem ?

People dodging paying their taxes ?

grumpy

Who are you saying is not paying the taxes the law says they are required to pay? Or do you think YOU are the arbitrator of who should pay what, instead of the people who were elected?

shucks

mR. bUMPY

Why did all the jobs go to other countries ?

Cheap labor and to avoid paying taxes.

"Or do you think YOU are the arbitrator of who should pay what, instead of the people who were elected?"

...You like government ONLY when the elected officials give tax breaks for the rich.

Contango

But a foretaste of that inevitable day when the fiscal, financial and monetary train wreck occurs and the SNAP cards come back "stamped" NSF (non-sufficient funds).

The moronic Progressives think that there is 'somehow' an endless supply of money and this country can borrow, print, tax and spend its way to prosperity.

From the brain-dead cheerleading mascot of the Progressives, Nancy Pelosi:

"It is the biggest bang for the buck when you do food stamps and unemployment insurance — the biggest bang for the buck,"

http://www.politico.com/news/sto...

The Big Dog's back

The moron CONservatives/Libertarians got the debt train rolling. Now they claim to know how to get us back on track? ROFLMAO!

Contango

Re: "the debt train rolling."

And the tax, print, borrow and spend Dems have been better huh?

Better check debt-to-GDP ratios, while remembering which political party has controlled Congress for much of the last 80 yrs.

http://www.macrotrends.net/1381/...

sorryhog

I worked for over 20 years, was off work, somebody told me to sign up for assistance, guess what? They told me I had a house and a car, so I wasn't eligible. Also to move and find a job.
So get a JOB and support your family!

meowmix

Nice lie you typed out there sorryhog. A house and a car is not counted towards your eligibilty towards food stamps. You can also have thousands of dollars in an IRA/401K account that doesn't matter. Pray tell, where did you go to apply that you were told this?

called out

They say if you can't feed them don't breed them... and I believe if you are on assistance and you get pregnant while on them you should be denied any assistance for that child..

on the other hand I believe if you truly can not work or are elderly there is no problem with helping you out.. and when i say can't work I don't mean i'm FAT or Lazy.. like wahhh I stubbed my toy and can't work.

The Big Dog's back

Tell that to your trailer trash Repub base.

Dr. Information

The new America....watch please. It will shock you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...

starryeyes83

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starryeyes83

I watched it And I'm so NOT surprised. There are many vids like that.

This is why we need forced sterilization! These kind of people breed like rats. Or send them back to their ancestral land or wherever.

15 kids pffft. disgusting.

P. S.

Should have said 16 because she was arrested last year and gave birth to her 16th in June of '12

santown419

You are like so have to be kidding dude.

starryeyes83

@ Santown,

No, chicky,

I'm not kidding it's on youtube the same station did a followup on her.

Perkins2060

Good. Keep the system down. Bunch of lazy losers. Get a job.

nonconformist

I was going to come on here and say how sad it is that many of you feel the way you do with helping one another. And then I saw the video that Dr. Information posted. I have to say, this is just as sad. It's disgusting how the minority have pinned the honest hard working people in a corner and made the majority view everyone who receives any type of benefit in the same class as people like that woman with 15 kids. However, I am still of the same opinion that one life is no more important than another. This includes basic needs such as food and healthcare. I don't know how we solve this issue but it certainly isn't by bunching everyone in the same category. At one time, I was one of these people who needed a little help while I got on my feet and I'm grateful. There should be rules in place that anyone receiving assistance should be forced to not only find work, but to also get an education so they can become self sustaining. And, I was just talking to someone about this last night, after so many children they should be sterilized. Hey, if the government can force us to purchase things, why can't they tell us how many children we can have if we're getting government assistance right?

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The Hero Zone

I can't agree to forced sterilization, but I think that "incentivized sterilization" could be worth discussing. I know I would love to have others' input on the idea from all realms. That way it becomes a personal choice based on responsibility. The individual could consult with doctors, faith leaders, their friends, family, or significant others to see if it is right for them to do. Or not. But it is a conscious decision that would be made prior to its enactment. It completely preempts the fluster over Plan B, abortion, and condom giveaways and would, I believe, "save" more money in the long run by providing a tangible incentive to be responsible. But again, that is a discussion worth having.

nonconformist

Ok maybe forced sterilization is pushing it. Would never happen anyway. But I do believ education should be a requirement. I mean that's where it all begins right? Do you think that woman would have 15 babies and demanding "someone has to be held accountable" if she were educated? I think not.

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The Hero Zone

Education is the great equalizer that spans all disparities and divisions that keep us apart as human beings. Education should be our number one goal and greatest use of public money.

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com

grumpy

My kids went to private schools. That said I support public schools... to a point. I liked the fact that public schools are forced to accept the kids who don't wish to be in school and allowed my kids to be in a place where the kids WANTED to learn, were EXPECTED to learn, were not allowed to disrupt those who wanted to learn. When I was in public school they seperated those who wished to not be there, couldn't keep up, wanted to and did disrupt others. Now the public schools can't do that and must include all in each class no matter what. There was no mainstreaming kids. Sorry but that worked for the vast majority of kids. Did it hurt some kids... definitely. I would think that there would be some way to make that way work better... better than mainstreaming all kids through the present system. But that way was scrapped and mainstreaming has failed more kids than the old way... or so it seems.

nonconformist

Hero, absolutely! Grumpy, I could not agree more. The school system is as messed up as everything else. You have good, intelligent kids who are not getting the attention they need or deserve because the other kids are dragging down the classroom. With our current system in place, the ignorant parents of these kids simply yell some kind of discrimination or "My Johnny is being mistreated," when in all actuality these kids and parents are the problem. No one is held accountable for their own actions. This begins with the parents but when parents refuse to take responsibility, well... Ignorance breeds ignorance. Thankfully my child is now in an environment with other children who are on the same page in higher learning classes. And this is in a public school no less. Too bad they don't offer the same options in public elementary schools. Other states have successfully done this through Magnet schools. It all starts with education. I say, yes, let us help the less fortunate. BUT they should be required to get a GED, go back to school and graduate with a diploma and learn a trade, or go to college. Allow them to become contributing members of society and teach their children the same. The answers are so simply really...

starryeyes83

She had the 16th six months after that report was posted so she was already pregnant when they did that news story.

KURTje

Kottage Kat I grew up around wealthy families & recall events similar to what you stated about yourself. Most of those "types" are the biggest losers. Most imo are going 2hell

grumpy

That explains a lot. Easy to do what you said before "read between the lines".

Kottage Kat

Kurtje,
Sorry, using phone lower case didn't work.
Please see my earlier post. When I was able I used to give food to food bank. I am blessed, I am frugal and have learned to be content in all circumstances. While you mock me because I live in a manufactured home. Please note you can drop off your food donations to me anytime, I am always home.
Not sure with you if you are being supportive or sarcastic as your remarks to me have been caustic in the past
I appreciate your right to comment.
Kat

Kottage Kat

Kurtje,
Thank you so much for the offer of food. I am doing OK. Blessed with good friends, I coupon with a vengeance and have canned and frozen
Lots of folks with gardens who bless me from their abundance.
So many ways to make ends meet.
I make everything from scratch, no process foods, for health reasons.
Again I tnank you. God Bless

sandusky2012

good maybe they should get jobs

starryeyes83

One thing for sure if it wasn't for abortion, there 'd be millions and millions more overpopulation out there. More people to feed. That's why it's a choice.

Abortion has been around for centuries in one form or another, way before the Christian bible was written.

Surprise, not everyone believes in that work of fiction.

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BULLISDEEP

Who cares ,the money machine is turned back on today .

The New World Czar

Given time and the advocate-in-chief would proclaim "I will not sleep until this food stamp shutdown is resolved!".

Why wouldn't he? Because...
THIS IS A MAJOR PART OF HIS AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY VOTER BASE!!!

The Big Dog's back

No, more like the trailer trash Repub base.

WaterStreetCooncat

My hard working $ goes to them buying JUNK food. Cart loads of high end meat, while I'm buying bologna! There should be only certain things they can use their BET card for, the way they do it with WIC. The other day in line one broad bought $67.00 worth of Halloween candy. Really? I also think they should have been made to put their crap they couldn't "buy" BACK ON THE SHELF instead of "leaving full cartloads" i.e, When they can't get it for free, they could care less if meat, frozen food or dairy products sit in a cart and spoil. Now excuse me while I go catch a fish with my fangs.

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BULLISDEEP

READ THIS ,IT WILL MAKE YOUR DAY

http://www.naturalnews.com/04247...

Contango

Thanks for the link.

Govt. transfer of payment programs are essentially protection money.

But a foretaste of when the $ REALLY runs out.

KURTje

Never mocked you kat, remember it was you who thought I was cursing? (German language) Have seen and have been part of some misery hence my discourse is terse with many. (USMC) Frankly most feel entitled. They aren't. Good luck to you - where do you live in Norwalk? If you've got a need I'll drop off some frozen meat.

8ballinthesidepocket

Maybe if the cards stop working the owners will. All the food stamp program, with 46 million participants does, is incentivize people not to work and vote for frauds like Obama. Name two things that he has done? Now he is looking for a way to keep our troops in Afghanistan which he promised to remove by mid 2014. He promised he would clean up the economy in his first term, not even close to that promise. He promised in a speech he made in one of his infrequent visits to the senate as a senator, the raising the debt limit was bad, what happened to that one? Now he refuses to negotiate. He should remember he is president not king. Keep those cards turned off for all people who weigh or 250 pounds.

meowmix

The fraud and waste rate in the SNAP program is less than 1 percent. If anyone is “dependent,” it is corporations that pay so little their employees have to come to the taxpayers for help buying food for their families. Republicans are picking on the poorest citizens, lying and smearing them as lazy druggies and blaming them for the high unemployment by saying that $133 a month is keeping them from bothering to look for a job. Why do we put up with this?

Contango

Re: "The fraud and waste rate in the SNAP program is less than 1 percent."

Got a "reliable" source to confirm that figure?

My usual rule-of-thumb for any govt. program is to factor in 10-20% for waste, fraud and abuse.

At $75B that would clock in at $7.5B or $15B.

To "combat" waste, fraud and abuse, Govt. entitlement programs practice what is known as "pay and chase."

A private co. would go bankrupt using such inefficient methods.

But what the heck, it's ONLY taxpayer money.

8ballinthesidepocket

You are obviously eating too much cat food and it has affected your brain. You make a comment of less than one percent fraud in the SNAP. On what basis? The liberal based Atlantic magazine did an independent study which concluded that at a minimum the amount of inappropriate or fraudulent payments was more than 10@ of the payout, close to a billion dollars. Do your homework before you pop off like an expert. You should engage your brain before your keyboard. Of course if you like your taxes being wasted, just go ahead voting for the free stuff because it will sap you dry.

meowmix

You would eat your proverbial hat if you knew what I did for a living, fool. So, before you "pop off like an expert" I would suggest YOU engage your brain before your keyboard. The statistics are correct.

8ballinthesidepocket

Wrong as wrong can be. Who cares what you do for a living, if you are as inaccurate in your work as your erroneous statement, you should dismissed. Maybe I can help that happen.

Nemesis

I'm guessing you work for the government, and are parroting their party line on how wonderful their program is. I'm sure there's some tortured definition of fraud and waste for which that statement is true, such as incidents of fraud for which people are actually prosecuted.

meowmix

There are a number of members of Congress who feel the need to punish the poor on food stamps while receiving farm subsidies. Rep. Vicki Hartzler (R-MO)Hartzler has received $516,000 in farm subsidies. Kristi Noem (R-SD) has received $503,000 in farm subsidies. And Rep. Doug Lamalfa (R-CA) said that churches are more “accountable” at helping the poor than government. He said government has “failed” at helping the poor, so we should “retract” the program. (Lamalfa has received more than $1.7 million in farm subsidies.)

arnmcrmn

Biased post. How about those Dems?

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