Presidential invitation

Obama plans to talk to GOP again on shutdown, debt.
Associated Press
Oct 9, 2013

 

President Barack Obama is inviting Republican lawmakers to the White House as pressure builds on both sides to resolve their deadlock over the federal debt limit and the partial government shutdown.

With the shutdown in its ninth day Wednesday and a potential economy-shaking federal default edging ever closer, neither side was revealing signs of bending.

But amid the tough talk, Obama invited all 232 House GOP lawmakers to come to the executive mansion on Thursday. Republicans said only 18 would attend, including their leaders and some committee chairmen.

"It is our hope that this will be a constructive meeting and that the president finally recognizes Americans expect their leaders to be able to sit down and resolve their differences," said Brendan Buck, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio.

On Wednesday, Boehner and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., met for 40 minutes at the Capitol with House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and No. 2 Democratic leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland. Each side said the other had requested the meeting, and neither reported any progress in resolving budget differences.

Even so, there were hints of a brief truce, indications that both sides might be open to a short-term extension of the $16.7 trillion borrowing limit and a temporary end to the shutdown, giving them more time to resolve their disputes.

Obama was huddling with House Democrats Wednesday afternoon as both parties looked for a way forward.

So far, the underlying standoff remains the same. Republicans demand talks on deficit reduction and Obama's 2010 health care law as the price for boosting the government's borrowing authority and returning civil servants to work. The president insists that Congress first end the shutdown and extend the debt limit before he will negotiate.

"Speaker Boehner could end this government shutdown today, an hour from now" by letting the House vote to do so, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Wednesday.

Don Stewart, spokesman for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said GOP senators hoped that when they meet Obama — at a time not yet set — he would be willing to bargain.

"But if this is a meeting where he simply reiterates that he won't negotiate, this meeting will not be productive," Stewart said.

On Tuesday, Boehner told reporters he was not drawing "lines in the sand." He sidestepped a question about whether he'd raise the debt limit and fund government for short periods by saying, "I'm not going to get into a whole lot of speculation."

Hours later, Obama used a White House news conference to say he "absolutely" would negotiate with Republicans on "every item in the budget" if Congress first sent him short-term measures halting the shutdown and the extending the debt limit.

"There's a crack there," Boehner said of the impasse late Tuesday, though he cautioned against optimism.

The financial world is flashing its own signs that it fears Washington's twin battles could hurt the global economy.

On Wednesday, the International Monetary Fund's financial counselor, Jose Vinals, said a failure by Congress to raise the federal debt ceiling and a subsequent U.S. default would cause "a worldwide shock."

Also, the National Retail Federation became the latest business group to urge lawmakers to quickly end their standoff. In a letter to congressional leaders, federation President Matthew Shay wrote Congress must "reverse the economic crisis it has created through the shutdown while it is still a short-term crisis and not the beginning of another recession."

The Obama administration has said that unless Congress acts, it expects to have an estimated $30 billion in cash left by Oct. 17. That is pocket change for a government that can spend tens of billions more than that on busy days and $3.6 trillion a year.

Hitting that date without congressional action would risk an unprecedented federal default that would wound the economy and deal lasting harm to the government's ability to borrow money, many economists warn. Some Republicans have expressed doubt that the damage would be as severe.

In the House, Republicans were continuing their tactic of pushing through narrowly targeted bills — over Democratic objections — that would restart popular parts of the government.

On Wednesday, the chamber voted 425-0 to finance death benefits for families of fallen U.S. troops. Blaming the shutdown, the Pentagon has halted the $100,000 payments, usually made within three days of a death.

The stoppage of those payments drew the attention of Senate chaplain Barry Black, who in his prayer opening Wednesday's Senate session said, "When our federal shutdown delays payments of death benefits to families of children dying in faraway battlefields, it's time for our lawmakers to say, 'Enough is enough.' "

But an official of a conservative group that has pressed Republicans to try repealing Obama's health care law was unyielding, saying that fight should continue.

"We should not fund the government until we address the president's unfair, unaffordable and unworkable law," Michael Needham, chief executive officer of Heritage Action for America, said at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast.

Democratic senators took to the Capitol's steps to call on Republicans to reopen the government. But they struggled to be heard over chants from a nearby rally of Washington, D.C., residents asking Senate leaders to clear House-passed legislation letting the city use its own tax dollars to provide services.

D.C. Mayor Vincent Gray spoke briefly to Reid, who with other Democrats is blocking approval of House-passed bills reopening specific programs and is instead insisting the entire government be reopened.

"I'm on your side. Don't screw it up, OK? Don't screw it up," Reid was heard to tell Gray.

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Associated Press writers David Espo, Julie Pace, Andrew Taylor and Donna Cassata contributed to this report.

 

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thinkagain's picture
thinkagain

“I promise to pretend to negotiate if you give me everything I want.”
President Oblamer Oct. 9, 2013

Pete

"I, uh, just want to, uh, say that, uh, I'm willing to, uh, negotiate, uh, but only, uh, if, uh, I get, uh, my way"

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fewdss

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The Big Dog's back

You cannot negotiate with stupid teathuglicans.

Erie County Resident

Your right if we would do it the way your master Hopey Changey Clown wants to do it.
Obama says pass this bill exactly as "I" want it then we'll talk about it.
Now piddles you were in business you'd be all for signing a huge contract to deal out trillions of dollars and THEN afterwards work out the details. Only a moron like a Demonthug would do something like that.
Kinda like the ACA huh? Pelosy sez "Let's pass it to find out what is hiding inside".
Yep turn the sharks loose then we'll see if they bite.

0_0

"Hows that hopey changey stuff working out for ya?

The Big Dog's back

Excellent.

coasterfan

It's working extremely well. I shudder to think where the country would be if the Party that brought us the biggest Recession in 90 years had still remained in power. Palin, author of the 'hopey change' line is as inane and irrelevant today as she was when she quit her job as Alaska's governor. I'll take Obama over any of the stunningly out of touch Republican leaders of the past several years...

coasterfan

I agree, Big Dog. These are people who don't understand how Majority Rule works. These are people who aren't able to change a law the constitutional way, so they resort to hostage tactics. Obama already compromised by agreeing to push back the employer mandate by one year, and sure enough, they want more. He is absolutely doing the correct thing, this time, by not acquiescing to their demands. The ACA is already a law, passed by constitutional means, and approved by all 3 branches of our federal gov't, including a conservative Supreme Court.

Darwin's choice

"Most Americans disapprove of the way Obama is handling his job, the poll suggests, with 53 percent unhappy with his performance and 37 percent approving of it. Congress is scraping rock bottom, with a ghastly approval rating of 5 percent. Indeed, anyone making headlines in the dispute has earned poor marks for his or her trouble, whether it's Democrat Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, or Republican John Boehner, the House speaker, both with a favorability rating of 18 percent."

So, signed your family up yet??

The Big Dog's back

durwood, Repub congressional approval rating is 5%. ROFLMAO.

SamAdams

What, laws can't be overturned? Ever? Really?

More importantly, the High Court's ruling that Obamacare is constitutional actually rendered it UNconstitutional. I cannot WAIT for the inevitable class action suit to strike the nightmare altogether, and it will. Why? Obama claimed Obamacare wasn't a tax. The High Court ruled it was only consitutional because it WAS a tax. Obamacare originated in the Senate. Oops! Only the House can initiate taxation. Not that Obama gives a happy rat's a$$, mind you, but plenty of lawyers and judges will!

The Big Dog's back

oOOOPS.OBAMACARE originated in the house. HR 3200.

rezzy

Ugh! It appears Big Dog (I'll appease your screen ego by calling you that) is on a rhetorical rant again. In your unwillingness to admit your president is an epic failure by anyone's standards, you continue to stand at the beach to watch the tsunami approach. Your president has been divisive by anyone's standards and has shown that his lack of qualifications has greatly impacted our country. Our country should not have considered a community organizer any more qualified than a police officer applying to be a microbiologist. While it was a historically significant event watching a black man getting elected to the presidency, one cannot ignore his lack of qualifications and the ramifications of placing an unqualified person into such a position. Watching economic and political leaders act out in frustration while they watch our country fail makes me think of how our country's inward looking desire for social equality may have cost us the ultimate price, which is the fall of the once greatest nation on mother Earth. While you pontificate holding your shield of social justice, slow down and concentrate on why you would stand facing forward on the bow of a figurative ship that has just been split in half. In other words, your words are empty and your stance is built upon faulty logic and your true intent is no longer hidden as it is leveraged against the reality that your president has failed miserably. But understanding all of us are looking for something to fulfill some sort of deep emptiness, I will encourage you to consider fulfilling your lack of self-confidence in some other way.

Pete

Did ya see the First Parasite had to cancel her West Coast fundraising trip? Sux to be her...

VOTENO

Tell Hussein to stick it in his rear.

coasterfan

Jeez guys, the election was almost a year ago. Just how long are the sour grapes going to go on?

VOTENO

37% approval rate. Too bad the election wasn't today. Hussein shows his real self to all the sheeple idiots that voted blindly for him.

coasterfan

Actually Obama won in 2012 because people knew what Romney was like, and because a majority of Americans rejected the Republican philosophy. As long as Republican leadership and their rank and file voters continue to believe that the electorate are simply stupid, instead of looking in the mirror to fix their own deficiencies, they'll continue to lose presidential elections.

By continuing to think everyone who sees things differently than you is stupid, by continuing to alienate women, minorities, younger voters, the LGBT community, your party has Zero chance of attracting new members. Fine by me... We Dems are open-minded and inclusive, which is why our numbers continue to grow, as your old-angry-white-men base gradually dies off. Put simply, young people aren't "haters", and are turned off by the GOP.

Obama had been in office for 4 years by the 2012 election. To believe that people "voted blindly for him" - when he was truly a known commodity by that point - shows classic 'head in the sand' mentality.

Darwin's choice

So, cheerleader,have you signed up for Obamacare yet? I'll bet anything it's no.....

Typical of a democrat...it's good for everyone but us.....!

coasterfan

Actually, I already have insurance, but would definitely sign up, if I didn't. You're entirely wrong about Democrats. We tend to think that things are good for everyone INCLUDING us. Would rather be a cheerleader than a typical Republican naysayer; thanks for the compliment!

After all, what makes America good are people who identify a problem and work towards a solution, not people whose only ability is to invent reasons why something won't work. Guess which team Darwin is on?

Critics of the ACA don't seem to understand that the US spends 18% of its GDP on health care, more than any other nation. France, Germany and Japan (3 countries w/universal health care) spend between 9-12%, and obtain better results.

Uninsured Americans - about 15% of our population - force the rest of us (YOU and ME) to provide for their care, but in the dumbest way possible. Because they can't afford to see a doc regularly, treatable conditions worsen, and they end up going to the ER - the most expensive way to receive care. Those bills are passed on to us, via higher insurance premiums (in Texas, an ave. family pays $2700 extra per year to cover care for the uninsured).

Darwin's choice

So, that's no....no matter, you'll be paying through the nose with the premium increases soon enough! Tell your savior Thanks when he bends you over, then tell us how you like that!

More failure of Obamacare....

http://www.digitaltrends.com/opi...

Amazing the amount of money this disfunctional government throws away...

Kottage Kat

No minutes on my Obama phone.
Darn government

coasterfan

You're talking about the free cell phone program that George Bush introduced, right? Have always wondered why conservatives have labeled them Obamaphones... Of course, these are the people who scream about Obamacare, which was previously introduced by Republicans and the Heritage Foundation.

Typical of them...they're all in favor of something, until Democrats start to support it.

Huron_1969

The govt assistance program for telephones was passed in 1996 and is based on more than income status. It's bad enough the media spun it into the obamaphone urban legend, but don't add Bush to the false info

deertracker

Was Obama the president in 1996?

shucks

There are at LEAST two words that describe a Republican :

1. ignorant

2. hypocrite

Huron_1969

ummm, you're really asking that question ???

the point is it has nothing to do with Obama or Bush, and really Clinton wasn't a factor either. It's one of those rare moments when Congress put something together that has reason and purpose and is not a welfare handout. Yet the media labeled this as the Obama Phone and so many people believe it without knowing the facts

deertracker

You mean so many cons and Obama haters believe it!

KURTje

"Alls youse guys godda do is work for $16.00 an hour + 5K deductible on yer medical."

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thinkagain

Unlike the Democrats on this site, I'm optimistic that there are rational Democrats in Congress, who can come to an agreement with Republicans and get this done.

meowmix

hahahahahahahahaha!! Good grief--of course there are plenty of rational Democrats in Congress-- however, as any good hostage negotiator would vouch for, you can't reason with the totally insane, i.e. teabaggers and neo-cons.

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thinkagain

^perfect example of a non-rational Democrat^

The General

< sniff, sniff> I thought I smelled skank

shucks

Your mother ?

The General

Only you and your obama bots could rationalize this current crop of democrats

deertracker

What part of "I am not negotiating with a gun to my head" don't you wackos get? This man has nothing to lose. He can't run for president anymore and has put up with an enormous amount of crap from the rightwing dingbats. You LOSE!

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thinkagain

^another example of a non-rational Democrat^

“This man has nothing to lose.”

You might be right, he obviously doesn’t care about fiscal responsibility and helping resolve the debt burden for future generations.

shucks

"...he obviously doesn’t care about fiscal responsibility and helping resolve the debt burden for future generations."

..........Wake up thinkagain - this is characteristic of the Republican Party -- apparently you don't have the gift of discernment.

deertracker

Turn the channel neverthinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rottnrog

Unlike the republicans on this site, I'm optimistic that there are rational republicans in Congress, who can come to an agreement with Democrats and get this done.

Dr. Information

The polls do not lie. People dislike Obama, his healthcare plan and Congress.

When is enough enough? 20 Trillion, 40 Trillion.

You idiots cannot spend your way into prosperity, it doesn't work like that for the small business owner and does not work for our government as well.

deertracker

Polls do lie. Who was suppose to win the election?

SamAdams

Why exactly is Obama issuing an invitation for conversation when we all know that all he's going to say is the same thing he's been saying for weeks: My way, or the highway! Can't wait 'til HE hits the road!

grumpy

Be fair Sam, obama said he is open for negotiation... after he gets the bill passed exactly the way he wants it passed. Then he will be ready to negotiate, what he will negotiate he doesn't say. Must be what he has already gotten and has no reason to negotiate. This is what he brings to the table.

Much like having the car dealer offer to sell you a car for 25% over sticker, and you have to agree with that, and you write the check before he will negotiate the price with you. Logic is not a strong suit for him.

deertracker

It is the CONS that are saying "my way or the highway". I'll be glad when his term is up to so all of you haters can find something to do constructive!

grumpy

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KURTje

Still the sore losers. The next election will be very interesting.

meowmix

lolol...more than anything kURTje, I have a feeling soon that the sole sane members of the GOP are going to be retreating faster and faster away from the nut-tard teabaggers who have taken control of their party. Either way, it is certainly going to be a democratic blowout. There is going to be quite a few bloggers on this paper who are going to be shocked and awed for sure!

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thinkagain

Nothing the godless Democrats could do would shock me at this point. I once was a Democrat, but that ended with their acceptance of the murder of unborn children and support for the sin of homosexuality. How could a Christian possibly be a Democrat?

deertracker

Just like they were shocked and awed after Romney lost! What a quiet day at work that was!

shucks

"The next election will be very interesting"

..............You ain't kidding. I think it's going to be a crazy madhouse.

grumpy

Hardly. The congress won't take up any legislation that is remotely contriversial during a year when elections are held. The dumb and dumber parties don't want their stupidity spotlighted for the sheep to see, and maybe remember. All that will be going on is finger pointing, even more than is going on now.

shucks

Don't think so, huh? -- You watch the future of the GOP.

OMG.LOL.WT_

☭☮☻ Where is contango????:):):)

deertracker

Detox!

shucks

good answer

KURTje

sick

shucks

His liver ran away.

Darwin's choice

Something to think about while you berate each other...

http://www.digitaltrends.com/opi...

Obamacare is already out of control, it's only a couple dollars for every person in the U.S. to get this non-functioning web site up!

And you want the government to handle Health Care?? Hahahaha!

Democrats and Republicans both are destroying the country.....

deertracker

Please join pooh.

Darwin's choice

Your intelligence is stunning.

shucks

Your intelligence is stunted.

grumpy

It is obama saying he won't talk till it is done his way.

It is the repubes saying they won't pass a bill till they negotiate.

It is a circualr firing squad. It is the dumb and dumber parties doing what they do best... pointing their fingers and whining the other guy won't negotiate. Neither will negotiate unless the other will do it their way. All the while calling the other party, the other people they have to negotiate with names. Now they get to sit down with those they have been calling names for weeks and negotiate with them. What a good way to lead up to negotations by calling the other guys names. Sets a good tone for comprimise. These are the parties you sheepole support. The dumb and dumber parties at their finest.

deertracker

The repubes have NO leverage.

grumpy

Is that why obama invited the repubes in the House to the WH? Because they have no leverage? Really? The sound bite you heard and copied here makes no sense, but then most of what you write does no better. You either need a better place to get your sound bites from, or even better be able to understand those sound bites, and when they actually fit the situation.

shucks

You sound like Contango -- drunk.

The Big Dog's back

That's because he is winnie.

grumpy

If as you stated the GOP has no leverage why did obama ask them to the WH to talk. He said before he wouldn't negotiate till the CR was passed. It hasn't passed. Why did obma invite them to talk?

Because the GOP has leverage to make him talk. Your statement was obviously wrong ... again. Nothing unusual, that happens all the time.

The New World Czar

When it all comes down to definition by the Constitution, the House of Representatives makes the rules when it comes to appropriations.

The House can send as many single bills as they want to the Senate and the President. If they want to be jerks and vote the bills down, then so be it...but you won't see the MSM report it this way.

Maybe Obama should ask Boehner for permission to address the House in their chamber, now that would be fun to watch.

deertracker

Maybe just maybe he should hold a vote on a clean CR!

grumpy

There is no we in that decision.

The House has the control of what is in appropreations bills. Not the Senate, and not the President. Read the Constitution.

OSUBuckeye59

There's an acronym taught in business schools called BATNA: Best Alternative To a Negotiated Agreement, simply meaning when 2 party's are negotiating, the party having the best backup position if an agreement cannot be reached is the party who will most likely prevail.

With the President and the GOP, I'd give an edge to the President if he and the House GOP cannot reach agreement on a Budget and raising the debt ceiling. Here's my reasoning: #1) Big biz like the Koch brothers backing Tea Party members such as Cruz didn't think through the chess game when they poured million$ into groups like the Heritage Foundation, and should the debt ceiling limit not be raised by the House, the Koch brothers Achilles Heel will be hurt: their business empire's revenue will suffer. When I read the Koch brothers unprecedented letter to Congress, it all came into focus. The ripple effect of the U.S. potentially going "bankrupt" would cause many businesses to lose investment $$ and sales. And that brings me to #2) When big businesses start to lose investment $$ and sales, they'll jettison employees faster than you can say "Ouch!". Not only will the recession death spiral be incredibly swift and painful; there will be no government stimulus funding money to slow down or stop the downward spiral. And when this happens, Tea Party leaders such as Cruz will feel a backlash as hot and searing as a out-of-control forest fire, not to mention they'll find their mobile phone numbers blocked by the likes of the Koch brothers.

And what about the President? If a debt ceiling raise agreement is not reached, I expect the President to immediately execute the Powers of his Office and raise the Debt Ceiling on his own. I've read many stories on websites from journalists and constitutional law experts that all say there's enough ambiguity for Obama to raise the debt ceiling w/o prosecution for treason or having overstepped the boundaries of his elected office. If Obama did raise the ceiling on his own, publicly the GOP would be screaming for the Senate to start articles of Impeachment while privately they'd be trying to figure out how to properly remind people they stood their ground against Obama. It would not be an easy time for the President if he raised the limit on his own, but I'd wager U.S. citizens would be significantly more supportive of the President for preventing an outright global catastrophe and these same citizens be overwhelmingly critical of the GOP for not only driving the truck to the edge, but then driving it right off the edge of the cliff. Oh, I almost forgot: Obama doesn't need to worry about running for re-election. That's pretty significant.

I fully realize the ACA is not "settled law", but it is law, it was upheld by the Supreme Court and the GOP was not able to get their Presidential Candidate elected into office last year yet the Tea Party faction is now threatening financial Armageddon because they cannot accept the ACA being law, being upheld by the Supreme Court and Obama winning re-election. U.S. Citizen are not going to forget this. The next election cycle is going to be a really nasty one for both parties, even more so for the GOP. I'm hoping and praying at best we get non major party candidates elected into office and at worse long-time federally-elected officials bounced out of office.

I'm tired of continuing to be a pawn in this politically-charged chess game.

The New World Czar

Here is another way to look at the debt ceiling:

You get home from work and find that there has been a sewer backup in your neighborhood. Your home has sewage all the way up to your ceilings. What do you do...raise the ceilings or remove the sewage?

OSUBuckeye59

With all due respect, I think a better analogy might be this one: A family of 5 (Mom, Dad, 3 children between the ages of 16 and 20) has 5 cell phones, 5 cars (including auto loans on at least 3 of the cars), Satellite TV service, high-speed internet service in the home and Satellite Radio service for all 5 cars. Dad works in IT for a Computer company, Mom toils away at home, the two youngest children are in high school, with one of them a senior, and the eldest child is in college. Even though the eldest child has scholarships and student loans, the 5 cars/cell phones/satellite TV/car satellite radio/high-speed internet/auto insurance/medical insurance/dental insurance/mortgage payment/food purchase/utilities sum payment for each month exceeds Dad's net income, meaning Mom and Dad are running up the balance on their credit cards when they purchase groceries and gas and etc., etc., etc. to the point where their credit cards are maxed out. I think that's kind of where our Government is at. Of course we would highly encourage the family to *NOT* ask for an increase in their credit limit but instead sell off the 3 cars having loans & cancel Satellite radio service, to name at least 2 recommendations for the family to lower their monthly liabilities.

Our government has way more liabilities than the family of 5, but if we don't raise our debt ceiling, unlike the family, the financial repercussions for our country and the rest of the world will be truly Armageddon-like. But like the family of 5, our government does need to reduce its future spending. The deficit continues to decrease, but our overall debt just continues to climb. This is beyond ridiculous.

The New World Czar

OK, great analogy...let's put it to numbers:

US Tax Revenue $ 2,170,000,000,000
Federal Budget $ 3,820,000,000,000
New Debt $ 1,650,000,000,000
National Debt $ 14,271,000,000,000
Recent Budget Cuts $ 38,500,000,000

Let's now remove 7 digits from each and pretend it's this family's household budget (although Dad might not earn this much in IT):

Annual family income: $ 217,000
Amount spend anually by family: $ 382,000
New debts on credit cards: $ 165,000
Outstanding balance on the credit cards: $ 1,427,100
Total budget cuts so far: $ 3,850

Yeehaw, they must have saved around $320/month somewhere, maybe they refinanced their second mortgage...but then, they may not have the massive unfunded future liabilities either!

OSUBuckeye59

GREAT simplicity and breakdown of the numbers. Really like what you've posted. Thank you.

An IT salary of $217k? Dad sure is smart! :)

One thing though . . . with an outstanding credit card balance of $1.4+ million, you forgot to add in the spousal support payments Dad's making as a result of the divorce from either his or his wife's charging so frequently they keep wearing out the magnetic strip on their credit cards.

The New World Czar

...or their $500,000 cash advance to invest in this can't-miss company called Solyndra.

Contango

Gotta hope that the Repubs cave to Dear Leader to end the govt. shutdown, raise the fed debt ceiling and get back to the business as usual of: Printing, borrowing, taxing and spend, spend, spend our way back to prosperity.

The sooner the U.S gets to fiscal, financial and monetary collapse, the sooner our soon-to-be bankrupt country can get back to fiscal, financial and monetary sanity.

Contango

"Rand Paul: Why I Plan to Grill Yellen":

http://ideas.time.com/2013/10/11...

Should be FUN.

KURTje

Glad you notice fwd thinking Czar. Have mentioned many times about such items. Sadly most Americans cannot think independent. Hemp too should be utilized here. Along with some of Buckminster Fuller's ideas.