What will and won't happen with the shutdown

Campers in national parks are to pull up stakes and leave, some veterans waiting to have disability benefits approved will have to cool their heels even longer, many routine food inspections will be suspended and panda-cams will go dark at the shuttered National Zoo.
Associated Press
Oct 1, 2013

 

Those are among the immediate effects if parts of the government shut Tuesday because of the budget impasse in Congress.
In this time of argument and political gridlock, a blueprint to manage federal dysfunction is one function that appears to have gone smoothly. Throughout government, plans are ready to roll out to keep essential services running and numb the impact for the public. The longer a shutdown goes on, the more it will be felt in day-to-day lives and in the economy as a whole.
A look at what is bound to happen, and what probably won't, barring a political breakthrough:
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THIS: Washington's paralysis will be felt early on in distant lands as well as in the capital; namely, at national parks. All park services will close. Campers have 48 hours to leave their sites. Many parks, such as Yellowstone, will close to traffic, and some will become completely inaccessible. Smithsonian museums in Washington will close and so will the zoo, where panda cams record every twitch and cuddle of the panda cub born Aug. 23 but are to be turned off in the first day of a shutdown.
The Statue of Liberty in New York, the loop road at Acadia National Park in Maine, Skyline Drive in Virginia, and Philadelphia's Independence National Historical Park, home of Independence Hall and the Liberty Bell, will be off limits. At Grand Canyon National Park, people will be turned back from entrance gates and overlooks will be cordoned off along a state road inside the park that will remain open.
"People who waited a year to get a reservation to go to the bottom of the Grand Canyon all of a sudden will find themselves without an opportunity to take that trip," said Mike Litterst, a spokesman for the National Park Service.
BUT NOT THIS: At some parks, where access is not controlled by gates or entrance stations, people can continue to drive, bike and hike. People won't be shooed off the Appalachian Trail, for example, and parks with highways running through them, like the Great Smokies, also are likely to be accessible. Officials won't scour the entire 1.2 million-acre Grand Canyon park looking for people; those already hiking or camping in the backcountry and on rafting trips on the Colorado River will be able to complete their trips. The care and feeding of the National Zoo's animals will all go on as usual.
The shutdown won't affect Ellis Island or the Washington Monument because they are already closed for repairs.
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THIS: The Board of Veterans Appeals will stop issuing rulings, meaning decisions about some disability claims by veterans will wait even longer than usual. Interments at national cemeteries will slow. If a shutdown drags on for weeks, disability and pension payments may be interrupted.
BUT NOT THIS: Most Department of Veterans Affairs services will continue; 95 percent of staff are either exempted from a shutdown or have the budget to keep paying them already in place. The department's health programs get their money a year in advance, so veterans can still see their doctor, get prescriptions filled and visit fully operational VA hospitals and outpatient clinics. Claims workers can process benefit payments until late in October, when that money starts to run out.
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THIS: New patients won't be accepted into clinical research at the National Institutes of Health, including 255 trials for cancer patients; care will continue for current patients. Federal medical research will be curtailed and the government's ability to detect and investigate disease outbreaks will be harmed. Grant applications will be accepted but not dealt with.
BUT NOT THIS: The show goes on for President Barack Obama's health care law. Tuesday heralds the debut of health insurance markets across the country, which begin accepting customers for coverage that begins in January. Core elements of the law are an entitlement, like Social Security, so their flow of money does not depend on congressional appropriations. That's why Republicans have been trying explicitly to starve the law of money. An impasse in approving a federal budget has little effect on Obamacare. As for NIH operations, reduced hospital staff at the NIH Clinical Center will care for current patients, and research animals will get their usual care.
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THIS: Most routine food inspections by the Food and Drug Administration will be suspended.
BUT NOT THIS: Meat inspection, done by the Agriculture Department, continues. The FDA will still handle high-risk recalls.
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THIS: Complaints from airline passengers to the government will fall on deaf ears. The government won't be able to do new car safety testing and ratings or handle automobile recall information. Internal Transportation Department investigations of waste and fraud will be put on ice, and progress will be slowed on replacing the country's radar-based air traffic system with GPS-based navigation. Most accident investigators who respond to air crashes, train collisions, pipeline explosions and other accidents will be furloughed but could be called back if needed.
Kristie Greco, speaking for the Federal Aviation Administration, said nearly 2,500 safety office personnel will be furloughed but may be called back incrementally over the next two weeks. The union representing aviation safety inspectors said it was told by FAA Administrator Michael Huerta that nearly 3,000 inspectors will be off work. Greco did not confirm that.
BUT NOT THIS: Air traffic controllers and many of the technicians who keep air traffic equipment working will remain on the job. Amtrak says it can continue normal operations for a while, relying on ticket revenue, but will suffer without federal subsidies over the longer term. FAA employees who make grants to airports, most Federal Highway Administration workers and federal bus and truck safety inspectors will also stay on the job because they are paid with user fees. Railroad and pipeline safety inspectors will also remain at work.
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THIS: About half the Defense Department's civilian employees will be furloughed.
BUT NOT THIS: The 1.4 million active-duty military personnel stay on duty and under a last-minute bill, they should keep getting paychecks on time. Most Homeland Security agents and border officers, as well as other law enforcement agents and officers, keep working.
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THIS: The Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children, known as WIC, could shut down. It provides supplemental food, health care referrals and nutrition education for pregnant women, mothers and their children.
BUT NOT THIS: School lunches and breakfasts will continue to be served, and food stamps, known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, will still be distributed.
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THIS: A shutdown that lasts two weeks or more would probably start to slow an already sluggish economy, analysts say. Closures of national parks would hurt hotels, restaurants and other tourism-related businesses. And federal workers who lost pay would spend less, thereby curbing economic growth. A three-week shutdown would slow the economy's annual growth rate in the October-December quarter by up to 0.9 of a percentage point, Goldman Sachs has estimated. If so, that could mean a growth rate of 1.6 percent, compared with the 2.5 percent that many economists now forecast.
BUT NOT THIS: Little impact on the economy if the shutdown only lasts a few days.
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THIS: Economic data will be interrupted as the Bureau of Labor Statistics ceases almost all operations. This will leave the stock market without some of the benchmark economic indicators that drive the market up or down. The key September jobs report, due Friday, could still be released on time if the White House authorizes that, but that's not been determined. Statistical gathering also is being interrupted at the Commerce Department and Census Bureau. This means the government won't come out on time with its monthly report on construction spending Tuesday or a factory orders report Thursday.
BUT NOT THIS: The weekly report on applications for unemployment benefits is still expected Thursday. The Treasury Department's daily report on government finances will be released normally and government debt auctions are to proceed as scheduled. And at Commerce, these functions continue, among others: weather and climate observation, fisheries law enforcement and patent and trademark application processing.
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THIS: Some passport services located in federal buildings might be disrupted — only if those buildings are forced to close because of a disruption in building support services.
BUT NOT THIS: Except in those instances, passport and visas will be handled as usual, both at home and abroad. These activities of the Bureau of Consular Affairs are fully supported by user fees instead of appropriated money, so are not affected. As well, the government will keep handling green card applications.
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THIS: The Federal Housing Administration, which insures about 15 percent of new loans for home purchases, will approve fewer loans for its client base — borrowers with low to moderate income — because of reduced staff. Only 67 of 349 employees will keep working. The agency will focus on single-family homes during a shutdown, setting aside loan applications for multi-family dwellings. The Housing and Urban Development Department won't make additional payments to the nation's 3,300 public housing authorities, but the agency estimates that most of them have enough money to keep giving people rental assistance until the end of October.
BUT NOT THIS: It will be business as usual for borrowers seeking loans guaranteed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which together own or guarantee nearly half of all U.S. mortgages and 90 percent of new ones.
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THIS: Possible delays in processing new disability applications.
BUT NOT THIS: Social Security and Medicare benefits still keep coming.
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Associated Press writers Sam Hananel, Matthew Daly, Joan Lowy, Kevin Freking, Hope Yen, Lauran Neergaard, Andrew Miga, Deb Riechmann, Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Lolita C. Baldor, Jesse Holland, Mary Clare Jalonick and Alicia Caldwell in Washington; and Felicia Fonseca at Grand Canyon National Park, contributed to this report.
 

Comments

KURTje

Great! Shut the Panda Cam off forever.

shucks

dang !

Dr. Information

Imagine that. A stupid Panda Cam being paid for by the tax payer. I agree, that is one thing us tax payers should not be funding. Can you say WASTE?

dorothy gale

Yeah, it's kinda hard for me to shed a tear over the loss of the Panda Cam.

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2cents

LOL, Chinese Panda anyway!

The Answer Person

Instead of a shut down Mr. Boner, how about a SHUT UP!

From the Grave

Somebody's grandma needs to go in there and slap those snot-nosed rich boy brats across the face. Instead, most people's grandmas are probably scared to death that the Russians will take us over during this. Shame on them all. They deserve to be 6 feet under.

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TKeegan73

Close all of that listed but to delay Veterans' Disability Hearings and some Benefits?! How about you work double duty to ensure our Veterans that defended our rights and freedom are taken care of!These Veterans are the reason that Government workers even have a job and the Gov't just makes more excuses to screw them over, makes me sick!Our Veterans should be a priority being that they fought and risked their lives to protect each and everyone of us.....JMHO

RNR

I second this!

Just Because

Hear Hear! TKeegan. Really. Our government is shut down and the largest part of this article is how our Parks are affected? I realize this may ruin some peoples vacations for which I feel for them but there are peoples lives being adversly affected by our governments incompetence and you're (SR) are reporting the Parks?? In case you haven't noticed, our country and people are hurting. Most are not getting vacations. Some are having trouble putting food on their tables. Some are suffering for lack of healthcare....and you're worried about our Parks SR? Cmon, you can do better than this! I say if the government cannot come up with a solution we stop paying them AND our taxes until they get their heads out of their butts and start doing their job!!! JMHO!!

Kottage Kat

What is a vacation???

UJagoff

Good Lord NOT the panda Cams! Have mercy! ..... how can modern society exist without the Panda Cams! Its anarchy!

There you go again

"What won't happen" is that Obama will stop spewing lies about why USA is not recovering, why Benghazi was a phony scandal, why our debt ceiling is escalating, etc..........

KnuckleDragger

Yet again, the obstructionist Democrats block another CR in order to continue force feeding us a health care law that 57% of Americans DO NOT want. On the other hand I think the Republicans are going about this all wrong. I say, let the law stand, give the Dems what they want. In the end, when the law takes full effect and the idiots who think this law is a good idea are crushed by the weight of it, the Republicans can come in and fix it and come out smelling like roses. To the brain dead Big Dogs, and Coasternuts of the world, all I can say is, have you read it? I can assure you that I have combed through it because I am using it for my doctoral dissertation. If you are hanging your hat on what the Dems are telling you about the law, you are gonna puke when you find out how much it is really gonna cost you.

There you go again

Don't worry, Obamalovers, you will still get your food stamps and other entitlements.

PTBarnumWouldBeProud

Keep in mind.....the Democratically controlled Senate, has not passed a (Constitutionally mandated) budget since April of 2009.

http://www.politifact.com/tennes...

Thanks a bunch, Mr. Reid.

Pterocarya frax...

Perhaps in your hatred you didn't notice, but your information is out of date. The Senate passed a budget this past spring. Of course Boehner refused 18 requests to form a conference committee to resolve the differences between the house and senate bills.

http://www.politico.com/story/20...

PTBarnumWouldBeProud

Sorry, not hatred....just missed that one.

OK....maybe I do despise Senator Reid....

but I missed it nonetheless. ;)

Dr. Information

That spring budget was not passed because it was full of Trillions in tax hikes on the working class. Hummm, I thought the Dems were all about the working class. They almost fooled ya, but thankfully it was shot down.

PTBarnumWouldBeProud

Thanks....

Contango

Remember: To Progressive Democrats - DEBT DOESN'T MATTER.

In their limited brainpans, we OWE it to ourselves and besides, future generations will foot the bill.

Good to know, since the U.S. has the distinction of being the largest debtor nation in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

Just keep kickin' that can towards the fiscal canyon and keep raising that federal debt ceiling ad infinitum.

gramafun

I hope the nutbar cases in Washington enjoy their shut down and of course, the 27th amendment gives them THEIR pay. Why not? But all in all not much gets affected really except parks, etc. What should have happened was the Senate and House and President don't get PAID....that I would have loved to see.

This is the WORST government administration, house and senate I have ever seen. Talk about spoiled kiddies.

When is the Republican party going to get over the election and move on? When is the president going to get along? Another three years of this and this country will be defending its own shores....mark my words. From California on. We can't find our butts with both hands anymore. Please don't tell me its the Democrats or Republicans fault. There is enough blame for everyone.

Just someone make a deal and move it. Even Monty Hall didn't have this much trouble making deals with the dumbest housewife.

Darwin's choice

^^I agree^^ !!

Contango

Occupy Wall St. "occupied" the WRONG city.

http://www.businessinsider.com/i...

In the Soviet Union, they were referred to as the Nomenklatura (the Political Ruling Class).

Only mindless Washington bureaucrats could ACTUALLY believe that a budget impasse would "close down" the Grand Canyon.

Darwin's choice

More Obama bashing to defer from the shutdown....

http://www.mrconservative.com/20...

Dr. Information

Compromise is not in Obama or any Democrats book.

coasterfan

Doc: Yours is a rather hilarious comment, since the various factions of the GOP cannot even compromise with themselves, much less compromise with Obama/Democrats. The current government shutdown is caused by the House GOP, who refuses to budge even one inch - their pattern since Obama took office. You expect the party in power to compromise, when the party NOT in power will not do so? Dream on.... Polls show that a majority of Americans blame Republicans for the shutdown, and I applaud Obama for standing up to the GOP, instead of caving (compromising) as he has often done.

Dr. Information

They were willing to compromise you fool. They were willing to raise the debt ceiling ONCE AGAIN, and adding to our national debt in concessions delaying the mandates a year for Obamacare AND not allowing tax dollars to subsidize any of Washingtons health insurance.

They fooled you again. They don't want to play by the rules they set forth for the rest of America.

coasterfan

Doc: Wrong. Obamacare should not have even been part of the discussion. It is already a LAW, and was given the seal of approval by a Republican- dominated Supreme Court. The rogue minority of the GOP House wants to do anything to defund Obamacare, so they refused to sign on to what should have been a routine debt ceiling vote, unless the rest of Congress, in effect, did a recall on the ACA Law.

In effect, it is those Republicans who are refusing to play by the rules of normal Congressional process, simply because they don't like a law. If they don't like the law, they should work to repeal it, not use it as a tool to shut down the entire government. Sad that you don't see that...

Contango

Re: "It is already a LAW,"

Weak fallacious position; laws are never overturned?

Did you take U.S. History in school?

The New World Czar

Interesting, the government shuts down last night at midnight, the Capitol Building is still lit, Harry Reid's underwear is sticking outside the back of his pants as he's moaning after midnight, Debbie Wasserman Schultz is electrifying her scary hair and mouth on CNN, Rachel Maddow is frothing at the mouth on MSNBC, and Bloomberg Network is crowing gloom and doom.

I slept fine last night, thank you.

Contango

Market futures are up this morning!

Ya just need to learn the "secrets" of how the Political Ruling Class, i.e. the above mentioned make their money, and let the Proletariat fret over a govt. shut down.

Darkhorse

Dog and pony show has started and the chicken game continues all at the expense of the country and the people you live in it. We have an dictatorship government where the Democrats think they are the only party that should exist and there should be no democracy at all, their word or the highway.

coasterfan

Nope, Dems just realize that, through the 2012 election, the people have voted their party and mindset into power. They also realize that the losers (GOP) should not get to dictate policy, and completely stop the governing process if they don't get their way.

Conservatives thought Dems would cave, as usual, and this time, we decided to play hardball the exact same way the GOP has done in recent years.

Why IS it that Republicans think that losing an election means you get to run the show?

Donegan

Funny that Obama and Reid voted against Raising the debt limit in 2006, Pretty sure they are hypocrites and you fell for the rhetoric of change.

Contango

Re: "the losers (GOP)"

Short memory there; the Repubs were returned to control the HOR in '12.

coasterfan

I think we both know that the only reason the GOP maintained control of the House is because of extreme gerrymandering. They actually had fewer total votes in all House races. If you can't win through normal means, then you find ways to cheat/bend the process to affect a win here and there. The dying gasp of a dying party, whose constituency continues to shrink...

They, of course, can't gerrymander an entire country, which is why they continue to (and will continue to) lose presidential elections.

Contango

Re: "the GOP maintained control of the House is because of extreme gerrymandering."

Facts IS facts. Regardless of how you wanna "spin it."

Good thing that the Dems NEVER gerrymander. :)

Also, the Repubs have the majority of the state governorships and legislatures.

shucks

@ coasterfan

But they are trying like hell to gerrymander an entire country by voter suppression and whatever else.

Contango

Re: "But,"

Not to worry, your SSDI and Medicaid benefits are safe for now.

shucks

off topic

Contango

Re: "off topic"

Right, but only for Medicaid recipients like you who don't have to worry about the exchanges.

shucks

Why do you hate America , comrade ?

Contango

Re: "Why,"

So how long have your been collecting SSDI and on Medicaid?

shucks

So how long have you been hating America ?

What planks do you love about Communism ?

PTBarnumWouldBeProud

Keep in mind.....voter suppression is "code" for "May we please see your ID?" ;-)

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2cents

"voter suppression"

Yes having the Black Panthers intimidate non dem voters!

ACORN falsifying voters, creating voters, bringing back dead voters.

I guess it takes Chicago land style politics to drive their agenda down the honest publics throat!

Contango

Re: "voter suppression"

Yea, showin' a valid ID is harkening back to the Jim Crow days.

Give me a (bleepin') break!

And these are the same *ssholes that aren't concerned about hackers and identity theft on the IRS, the NSA and now the Obama☭are databases.

Dr. Information

House election is over coasterfan, time to move on kid.

Peninsula Pundit

The opportunity for Compromise was missed by the Republicans while the national health care bill was being crafted.
The Republicans wanted no part of ensuring that Americans would have access to health care and refused, as a party, to participate in the process.
THAT'S where they erred.
THAT was the time for compromise.
NOW, when it comes to an up or down vote on something that was passed by Congress, upheld in a clearly conservative Supreme Court and actually starting TODAY, they are at the edge of the cliff,with no ground left to stand on.
All of us have said at one time or another that it's a travesty how bills, that often in and of themselves have broad support in Congress, are voted down because of a unrelated rider attached to the bill.
None of us believe that is right.
But here, it's just 1 bill and 1 rider.
The bill is to fund the government.
The rider is to delay for 1 year the implementation of national insurance.
Drop the rider and let's move on.
It's just plain common sense.

Contango

Re: "The opportunity for Compromise was missed by the Republicans while the national health care bill was being crafted."

Revisionist history.

You musta been watching another Bipartisan Health Care Mtg. than the one that was televised.

Pres. Obama: My way or the highway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o...

meowmix

Do you really believe what you say Contango??? The President: My way or the highway??? All he has ever done was cave to the TP/GOP. He has finally grown a pair and refuses to time-after-time fight to uphold the ACA. It's about damn time.

Contango

Re: "uphold the ACA."

Is that why this boondoggle had to be passed on a partisan basis using legislative trickery because Pres. Obama and the Dems "compromised”?

Go pedal that manure elsewhere.

So where does your health care ins. originate? Will you be going to the exchanges?

meowmix

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Republican controlled Supreme Court uphold it's legitimate enactment? Yep, that tricky Justice John Roberts.
My insurance? Why I have to pay for it through my employer just like most of middle class America has had to. But, my employer keeps raising the price on me, increasing my deductibles and out-of-pocket ceiling. I really can't afford to become ill, even with my insurance. Again, just like most of middle America.

Contango

Re: "it's legitimate enactment"

SCOTUS ruled that it was a tax.

The Obama admin. originally argued that it was a "mandate" and not a tax.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/tick...

Like Justice Scalia said: Why can't the govt. just mandate that you eat beets?

Why don't you suggest to your employer that he just cut you a check like Walgreen's, Trader Joe's and other cos. and allow you to go on those exchanges for "affordable" health care ins.?

meowmix

The Rethuglicans have counted on being able to continously use tactics equal to extortion when it has come to the budget. Either cut funding for the Affordable Care Act or we're just gonna stomp our little feet and hold our breaths until we turn blue.
Well aria fans..the fat lady has sung and the President/Senate is going to let them throw their tantrum. But, guess who is getting most of the blame for this? That's right--the tea tards/GOP.
They're like a drowning person asking someone to throw them a cement block to save them. Too funny.

FlyBoy86

How can we expect Congress to get along and stop finger pointing when everyone who elected them is fingerprointing? How can we expect change when we're just as bad as our elected officials?

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thinkagain

Great comment! But it sure seems out of place in the SR blogosphere. We can’t allow your kind of common sense to prevail…what would all the regulars do for fun?

Truth2u

Keep it shut down until we pay off the debt.

deertracker

Send your SS check back and we will get right on that! LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Contango

Re: "Send your SS check back,"

Why, do you send back your SSDI and refuse your Medicaid benefits?

deertracker

I think these right wing dingbat comments are HILARIOUS! LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Contango

Re: "LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

So what kind of "affordable" ins. did you find on the health care exchanges this morning?

deertracker

No worries pooh, you don't have to tell them about your addiction!

Contango

Re: "you don't have to tell them about your addiction!"

Didn't tell 'em that you were a tweeker eh?

Good thing for you that there are no pre-existing conditions thanks to Pres. Obama huh?

So what kinda plan did you pick?

meowmix

AMEN!!!!! deertracker, you're always spot on!

Truth2u

I think those EXTREME left wing Bambi killers are Hilarious. Eating the bait ruined their logic

coasterfan

Odd. There seem to be many, many more extreme rightwing people who have posted here, as compared to those on the extreme left. Of course, if you're on the extreme Right, you probably think everyone else is a liberal.

Hint: if you have ever used the term RINO to describe a mainstream Republican(see Dole, McCain), you are a teaparty rightwingnut. Or a redneck. Or an NRA member. Or, quite possibly, all of the above.

Contango

Re: "NRA member,"

If you think that there are no Democrat NRA members, you just might be a clueless Progressive.

Reads like you're trying to get in touch with your inner Jeff Foxworthy there commie boy.

So nice that you don't have to sweat the health ins. exchanges since you and lammie pie have those sweet OH taxpayer GUARANTEED health and welfare benefits isn't it?

Darwin's choice

We have jobs. Azzhat

OSUBuckeye59

Economics 101: Incentives Matter. Right now, our federally-elected officials have virtually no incentive to reach a Budget compromise. And while our partial Government shutdown is not good, in ~2 weeks if Congress & the POTUS don't raise the debt ceiling limit, we're in a real world of hurt.

Both the GOP and Obama know full well the tug of war is with Obamacare. The suggestion by McConnell to pass the current budget and raise the debt ceiling if Obama agrees to delay enactment of the ACA is a suggestion Obama refuses to entertain, and the GOP knows this full well. A Congressional majority passed the ACA and the Supreme Court upheld it, but now the GOP is pushing back on approving writing the check to pay for what was passed by the majority. And there is zero incentive for the GOP and Democrats to reach a compromise.

Our majority two-party led federal government continues to assure nobody wins and everybody loses, yet they can't and won't recognize this.

meowmix

So true, unfortunately OSU.

coasterfan

Look, it's simple. Obama won the election, Obamacare is law, and a law that was affirmed by a Republican-dominated Supreme Court. If the GOP doesn't like the law, they should use the normal channels to oppose and repeal the law. They quite simply, aren't doing that. The time for compromise with Obamacare would have been pre-2010, BEFORE IT BECAME LAW.

What's that,you say? They tried the normal channels, and that didn't work? So, they stooped to blackmail, refusing to vote for the routine debt ceiling issue, unless Obama moved to defund his own signature law?
The dysfunctional Republican party somehow became even more dysfunctional, which sort of explains the uptick in infighting within the party. Amazing to see how a small group of anarchists can bring the entire country to a halt...

Contango

Re: "anarchists,"

The term is misused and only a politically ignorant Progressive sock puppet would repeat it, let alone use it in this context.

The Big Dog's back

Yep! Arsonists would be more appropriate.

shucks

Nobody could possibly be as an intelligent as you , Clowntango.

OSUBuckeye59

Just as the GOP and Democrats publicly attack each other in Washington, so to do all of us attack each other in our online comments. We write our viewpoints and deliver what we believe are witty, clever retorts to those who don't agree with us. But at the end of the day, our arguments continue to be just that: arguments.

Our federally-elected officials from both major party's refuse to work together to compromise, and all of us collectively continue to suffer the results.

Contango

Re: "both major party's refuse to work together to compromise,"

"More than any time in history mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness, the other to total extinction. Let us pray that we have the wisdom to choose correctly."

- Woody Allen

shucks

"One World government"- coming to a planet near you.

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The Hero Zone

Truth in satire. I am sick of the parties trying to grandstand to their own followers instead of to constituents as a whole. It is insulting.

http://www.theonion.com/articles...

coasterfan

Obama just gave one of his best speeches ever. Gave a succinct overview of what the ACA will do, dispelling the GOP myths about it. Then lambasted the portion of the GOP causing the current govt. shutdown. A very convincing point-of-view to everyone, except, I'm sure, the 10% who actually side with the teaparty. "That's not how adults act", he said.

Contango

Re: "Gave a succinct overview of what the ACA will do,"

So he truthfully explained that it was a bastardized free-market boondoggle approach that was doomed to failure because it was based on a socio-economic fantasy?

shucks

2nd request.

Why do you hate America ?
Which planks of Communism do you love ?

Contango

Off-topic.

coasterfan

Actually, in less than 3 minutes, he dispelled all of the GOP-invented rhetoric. He summed up Obamacare in easy-to-understand terms, which should help the GOP electorate immensely. Finally, even teapartiers will be able to understand what Obamacare will do for them.

Contango

Re: "what Obamacare will do for them."

Slight corrects:

What Obama☭are will do TO them.

OSUBuckeye59

To be fair, our President is a politician, and with the ACA being what I'm guessing he hopes will be the Landmark Achievement of his 8 years in Office...his legacy...Mr. Obama pointed out all of what he believes are the most positive aspects of the ACA, meaning of course he simply could not and would not point out the flaws and problems. The ACA does allow for every citizen of the United States to purchase health care, but there are definite problems with the ACA, including many people who have been paying for medical insurance will either see increases in costs to keep the same coverage, but if they want to keep costs current, possibly even save a few dollars, they will see many benefits eliminated.

Dr. Information

Did the president say that Obamacare is forcing many companies to drop insurance overall and cut hours, which ultimately hurts the avg worker. Did he? Yeah, thats right DIDN"T THINK SO!.

coasterfan

At the end of the day, Obamacare replaced a system that was totally non-workable and one in which costs were ballooning out of control. The 30 million people who had no insurance ended up going to the ER for what would normally have been routine dr. visits, as well as for medical emergencies.

Who do you think paid for all those visits? We all did, in the form of higher insurance premiums. The ACA attempts to deal with that, among many other cost-saving inducements.

At the end of the day, it's already better than what we had previous to Obamacare, and to be sure, Republicans had plenty of chances to introduce a nationalized health policy of their own, but did not do so.

Contango

Re: "Obamacare replaced a system that was totally non-workable and one in which costs were ballooning out of control."

Correction:

Obama☭are is complicating a system that will become even more non-workable and one in which premium and healthcare costs will be ballooning totally out of control.

Dr. Information

At the end of the day, of the estimated 40 million that are uninsured, 30 million will still remain uninsured. Wanna bet?

goofus

If Obozo can relieve himself in one hand and wish in another which one will fill up first. Generally
when Obozo tells you how it supposed to work he gives the theoretical point of view. Such a blatant liar OBOZO cannot be trusted

Darwin's choice

Here is a copy of his best speech ever for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z...

Darwin's choice

repost

devilsadvocate

How much are we cutting in foreign aid to countries who don't even like us?

Bleeding Turnips

Obamacare is already working great, my wife receives $632 per month in disability. Just received a letter that her medicare premium is going from $36 a month to $70 and her deductible is being raised from $300 to $1,000 per year. Yep, only going after the rich, $7,584 per year is the "new rich."

Dr. Information

This is truly horrible. I am very sorry for your family.

goofus

so that's how the GOP won back the house in the 2012 midterms and soon the senate in the 2014 midterms. The great white guilt and rhino republicans killed off the last
general election

The Big Dog's back

Wait until the old white teathuglicans stop getting their Guvment check. ROFLMAO.

The Big Dog's back

All you CONservatives can bend over and kiss your arse goodbye.

There you go again

You always say the nicest things.......

Darwin's choice

Azzhat

rezzy

Judging by your responses, I feel that it would be safe to assume you have little, if any, formal education. With that being said, I suspect you voted for Obama and accept responsibility for your poor and reckless decision that will ultimately lead to the collapse of America. If you have children, then you are truly despicable and self loathing. Either way, good luck with collecting public assistance when there are no more rich republicans to feed your face.

Bleeding Turnips

Rezzy,
Remember what happens when you ASS-U-ME, I have a respectable job, and I'm not on any government assistance and my wife worked as long as she could, however she has a debilitating disease. I never voted Obama. However the majority has spoken and we are stuck with what's coming. It's law and going nowhere. I have two children in college and having to spend another $1,000 + per year on her treatments just takes from them.
I hope you never have to deal with what she does.

KURTje

Shizz me-thinks a certain person hates America. Never served, isn't Christian. That sounds commie like to me. btw Congress still gets paid - go figger.

shucks

Funny, I've been thinking the same thing.

Hates God ,hates Gov't, comments are always filled with " commie speak" --- but he luvvs that money.
I think he just "uses" America to get that money.

puddin95

Does it really matter? What is going to change? Pope Francis should run for president.

rezzy

You Obama voters are getting exactly what you can expect when you hire a community organizer over a business man. Tighten down the hatches, because this ride is going to get a whole lot worse before it's over.

shucks

Ya think ?

coasterfan

Actually, being a businessman is not a prerequisite for being president, since a country is not a corporation. The Great Depression happened under the auspices of a president who was elected because of his (drum roll please...) business experience. Obama was a Constitutional law professor, which is probably a far more qualifiable prerequisite to being president. It's a silly discussion, since - with 5+ years on the job - he quite obviously has the experience to do the job he has already held.

Actually, we Dems pretty much are getting what we expected from Obama. What no one expected is that the teaparty would hijack the Republican Party, much to the chagrin of...well, everyone else, mainstream Republicans included. At the end of the day, we will still take Obama any day over McCain or (shudder) Romney. Apparently, a majority of Americans agree, or one of the above stuffed shirts would be in the White House.

Obama's only mistake, as a reasonable man, was to assume that Republicans would be reasonable, as well. They are a people for whom ideology is way way way more important to them than America and Americans, and unfortunately, there seems to be no effective way to deal with teaparty anarchists. Their own party can't reel them in, so it's not a surprise that Obama can't do so either.

Darwin's choice

In the top democrats own words..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O...

How about that, cheerleader???

Contango

Re: "since a country is not a corporation,"

Yea, but even not-for-profits go broke if they spend more than they take in.

The only thing that the U.S. has goin' for it is that it has a Federal Reserve printing money outa "thin air" and it has the reserve currency which allows the govt. to spend recklessly.

Russia, China and others are working to replace the $US as the world's reserve currency.

"...the dollar as a percentage of total world money supply. That total has plunged from nearly 90 percent in 1952 to closer to 15 percent now."

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100461159

Cheap money & Progressive "something for nothing" policies have helped to bring about the demise of the U.S.' Golden Age.

Dr. Information

This country is not a business? Ummmm ok??????

Ned Mandingo

The government should fear the shutdown not affecting us. Maybe then people will realize we don't need a big government.

meowmix

I saw a Jimmy Kimmel man-on-the-street skit where they were interviewing "regular" folks. The question posed was "Which do you oppose? The Affordable Care Act or Obamacare?" --Of the two respondents they showed, both were adamant about how much they opposed Obamacare but were totally supportive of the ACA-- just goes to show you how stupid and uninformed many Americans are (obviously Faux News viewers). Also, rezzy, you can get fairly cheap canned goods from Aldi's with which to stock your bomb shelter.

Contango

Re: "Jimmy Kimmel man-on-the-street skit"

The KEY WORD there for any dumbed down Obamabots that would post this mishegas and think that it is useful information: "skit."

meowmix

My Contango--did you get up on the wrong side of your beddie-by this morning? It was merely an observation on my part that there are alot of teatard/con's who proudly take up that label but haven't a clue. Now, get a cup of coffee and get your fix of Elisabeth Hasselbeck.

Contango

Re: "It was merely an observation on my part,"

It was a repetition of nonsense. We expect better from you.

What's next; more politically sophomoric "observations" from Bill Maher and your other Comedy Channel favorites?

On the other hand, nothing quite tops the “Obamaphone Lady” for a classic brain-dead Obamabot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t...

Will she be giving a speech at the 2016 DNC?

shucks

static

Dr. Information

Don't budge Republicans. Let this train wreck called Obamacare will kill America as its already starting to do. People will eventually wake up when they don't have the pay or hours they once did and finally vote some new blood in to rectify things.

Dr. Information

Don't budge Republicans. Let this train wreck called Obamacare will kill America as its already starting to do. People will eventually wake up when they don't have the pay or hours they once did and finally vote some new blood in to rectify things.

shucks

The Republicans have train wrecked themselves.

I doubt that they'll win anything again.

Contango

Re: "I doubt that they'll win anything again."

You better hope not; they 'might' cut off the "milk" to that govt. teat that you survive off.

shucks

Assume what you want, clown.

You may be wealthy , but you're still a loser.

Bleeding Turnips

We're stuck with Obamacare.

Contango

@ BT:

Remember the words of that great Roman philosopher, Anonymous:

"Illegitimi non carborundum."

(Don't let the b*stards grind you down.)

shucks

"A jackass laden with gold is still a jackass."

American pioneer proverb.

Contango

And a jack*ss without gold is JUST a jack*ss. :)

shucks

You are in a "lose-lose" situation.

Bleeding Turnips

rezzy
TUE, 10/01/2013 - 11:14PM
Judging by your responses, I feel that it would be safe to assume you have little, if any, formal education. With that being said, I suspect you voted for Obama and accept responsibility for your poor and reckless decision that will ultimately lead to the collapse of America. If you have children, then you are truly despicable and self loathing. Either way, good luck with collecting public assistance when there are no more rich republicans to feed your face.

Bleeding Turnips
WED, 10/02/2013 - 11:45AM
Rezzy,
Remember what happens when you ASS-U-ME, I have a respectable job, and I'm not on any government assistance and my wife worked as long as she could, however she has a debilitating disease. I never voted Obama. However the majority has spoken and we are stuck with what's coming. It's law and going nowhere. I have two children in college and having to spend another $1,000 + per year on her treatments just takes from them.
I hope you never have to deal with what she does.

KURTje

Shizza wins again. Oldster still an also ran.

EZOB

The show is over pass it 100%. Both parties have went "ALL IN". If it turn out good the Republicans are in for a huge defeat. If it's bad, Like I'm willing to Wager, It will be the demise of the Democrats for years to come and provide a golden opportunity for a third party. When the next President (A Republican) takes office you can rest assured He won't be blaming O'Bama at the end of His term.
Health Insurance and Health Care are vastly different. You can have the best Health Insurance and need emergency Health Care in an isolated place and suffer drastic results. You suffer a heart attack and there are 10 patients ahead of you in the emergency room and only 1 or 2 doctors. How many times have you witnessed people with excellent House and car insurance and when they suffer some type of catastophry it takes months or years to recover their loss. Well now, we are not only trusting the insurance companies (That are always immediately ready to pay a sum of money) but throw in the government and if you can't see this as a complete disaster I won't tell you to read the ACA Bill because it's beyond anyones comprehension including the House and Senate.

OSUBuckeye59

Our federally-elected officials, meaning our POTUS and members of Congress, have no incentive to insure we always have an approved federal budget. As learned in Economics, Incentives Matter. We need to properly incentivize the POTUS and Congress where there is no incentive today.

As such, I'm suggesting "We the People" utilize Article V of the Constitution to launch a truly grass roots effort in each of our 50 States where we craft a proposed 28th Amendment that has as a basic elements language directing Congress and the POTUS they MUST HAVE a Budget in place, with further language addressing the penalties should they not. We need to take away the escape clause of Appropriations bills, which are used as "Stop Gap" measures.

To date, all Constitutional Amendments have been proposed and approved by Congress. And since Congress and the POTUS can't seem to understand and realize they represent all of their citizens instead of their Party plank and lobbyists, I believe with all my heart it's time we remember the struggles and dreams of our Founding Fathers, then utilize the tools of our great Democracy to remind our Federally-elected officials who they really need to serve.

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The Hero Zone

This.

OSUBuckeye59

If my memory serves me correctly, Contango votes for other than one of the two major party candidates. I don't remember exactly which of the non-major parties he votes for, but the point is he votes for other than a major party candidate. And if my memory didn't serve me well on this, my apologies to Contango for my error.

And since both the GOP, and this does include those who profess to be of the Tea Party faction, and the Democratic Party both only seem to focus on getting & staying in office, thwarting whatever the opposition major party stands for, and furthering their party plank, from this day forward I will refuse to vote for a candidate of either major party. I will either select anyone on the ballot from a party such as the Green Party or Libertarian Party, to name two, or I'll simply write in the name of someone. Since both major parties can't seem to do anything but bicker and finger point, collectively they're not moving our country forward. As much as I believe there are individuals in each major party who would like to reach a compromise, I will no longer support their combined childish behavior. And I very respectfully request each of my fellow SR readers/writers who favor one of the two major parties to think about if their party truly is truly doing everything they possibly can to move our country forward.

"[D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few." –John Adams, An Essay on Man's Lust for Power, 1763

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The Hero Zone

You have my bow.

8ballinthesidepocket

Shutdown? Shutdown? What shutdown? I wish it were a shutdown with non of the phonies in Congress, and their staffs, getting a paycheck until it is resolved. So far, I am still able to breath, drive my car, go to the supermarket, fly on an airplane. But then I am not a WWII veteran trying to see their memorial, in DC or in Normandy. It cost the govt more to construct and man the barricades at these hallow grounds that it would have to keep them open. Using these as a political ploy, gambit or strategy better come home to roost on these idiots in the next election!