Fast-food workers stage protests

Thousands of fast-food workers and their supporters beat drums, blew whistles and chanted slogans Thursday on picket lines in dozens of U.S. cities, marking the largest protest yet in their quest for higher wages.
Associated Press
Aug 29, 2013

The nationwide day of demonstrations came after similar actions organized by unions and community groups over the past several months. Workers are calling for the right to unionize without interference from employers and for pay of $15 an hour. That's more than double the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour, or $15,000 a year for full-time employees.

Thursday's walkouts and protests reached about 60 cities, including New York, Chicago and Detroit, organizers said. But the turnout varied significantly, with some targeted restaurants seemingly operating normally and others temporarily unable to do business because they had too few employees.

Ryan Carter, a 29-year-old who bought a $1 cup of coffee at a New York McDonald's where protesters gathered, said he "absolutely" supported the demand for higher wages.

"They work harder than the billionaires in this city," he said. But Carter said he didn't plan to stop his regular trips to McDonald's.

Jobs in low-wage industries have led the economic recovery. Advocates for a higher minimum wage say that makes it crucial that the jobs pay enough for workers who support families.

The restaurant industry says it already operates on thin margins and insists that sharply higher wages would lead to steeper prices for customers and fewer opportunities for job seekers.

The drive for better pay comes as the White House, some members of Congress and economists seek to raise the federal minimum wage. But most proposals are for a more modest increase, with President Barack Obama suggesting $9 an hour.

The Service Employees International Union, which represents more than 2 million workers in health care, janitorial and other industries, has been providing financial support and training for local organizers in the fast-food strikes around the country.

Walkouts were also planned Thursday in Atlanta, Hartford, Conn., Los Angeles, Milwaukee, St. Louis and other cities, organizers said.

In New York, City Council Speaker Christine Quinn joined about 300 to 400 workers and supporters Thursday in a march before the group flooded into a McDonald's near the Empire State Building. Shortly after the demonstration, however, the restaurant seemed to be operating normally, and a few customers said they hadn't heard of the movement. The same was true at a McDonald's a few blocks away.

The lack of public awareness illustrates the challenge workers face in building wider support. Workers participating in the strikes still represent a tiny fraction of the industry. And the industry is still known for its high turnover rates and relatively young workers.

At a Wendy's in New York City, about 150 workers and supporters stood outside chanting, "We can't survive on $7.25." There were no customers inside.

In Detroit, the dining area of a McDonald's on the city's northwest side was shut down as workers and others protested outside.

In Raleigh, N.C., about 30 fast-food workers picketed outside a Little Caesars. Julio Wilson said he earned $9 an hour at the pizza restaurant, where he has worked for about six months. He said it's not enough to support himself and his 5-year-old daughter.

"I know I'm risking my job, but it's my right to fight for what I deserve," Wilson said. "Nine dollars an hour is not enough to make ends meet nowadays."

A few dozen people gathered along the street outside a McDonald's in Las Vegas, chanting and carrying signs that read "Strike for a living wage" and "Huelga por $15," Spanish for "Strike for $15." But an employee at the restaurants said it stayed open for business throughout the demonstration.

In Seattle, dozens of people gathered outside a Subway to chant for a $15 minimum wage. Workers inside said they stayed open during the demonstration, and customers were still able to buy sandwiches.

The latest protests follow a series of strikes that began last November in New York City. The biggest effort so far was over the summer when about 2,200 of the country's millions of fast-food workers staged a one-day strike in seven cities.

McDonald's Corp. and Burger King Worldwide Inc. say they don't make decisions about pay for the independent franchisees that operate the majority of their U.S. restaurants. At restaurants that McDonald's owns, the company said, any move to raise entry-level pay would raise overall costs and lead to higher menu prices.

It said that McDonald's provides professional development for interested employees and that the protests don't give an accurate picture of what it means to work at McDonald's.

"We respect our employees' rights to voice their opinions. Employees who participate in these activities and return to work are welcomed back and scheduled to work their regular shifts as usual," the company said in an emailed statement.

Wendy's said in statement that it was "proud to provide a place where thousands of people, who come to us asking for a job, can enter the workforce at a starting wage, gain skills and advance with us or move on to something else."

Starbucks spokesman Zack Huston said the strikes have not affected the company's stores. He noted that Starbucks workers earn "competitive wages" and affordable health care that other retailers do not provide for part-time workers.

Subway and Yum Brands Inc., which owns KFC, Taco Bell and Pizza Hut, did not respond to requests for comment.

Even though they're not part of unions, fast-food workers who take part in strikes are generally protected from being fired or having employers retaliate against them. Federal labor law gives all workers the right to engage in "protected concerted activities" to complain about wages, working conditions or other terms of employment.

"It's always been understood that people who fall under this concerted activity umbrella are protected as long as they are protesting not only on their own behalf but on behalf of others as well," said Robert Kaiser, a St. Louis labor law attorney.

 

Comments

The Big Dog's back

Workers of America, time to unite.

JudgeMeNot

Unite for what? Once again the sheep are being led to the slaughter. OBAMA is using you!

If the minimum wage increased from $7.25 to $15.00 per hour, it would increase operational costs 51.6% forcing many businesses to close. Striking a fast food business for $15. per hour is a joke.

Unabasho

No one expects these wages to more than double from $7.25 to$15.00. This is really about raising the minimum wage, which is totally reasonable, but the allegedly "liberal media," owned by a bunch a greedy selfish republicans, wants to distract from that and make a living wage for the working class sound unreasonable, further dividing American workers against themselves. Stop falling for it, you idiots!

From the Grave

The rest of us should BOYCOTT fast food restaurants for health reasons. I don't care about their jobs or wages.

starryeyes83

$ 15 ?? the fast food chains will close ... many factory workers OR Those working out in the heat and heavy lifting don't get that.

phroggy

They're paid too much as it is. If anything, minimum wage should be reduced by $1/hr. Minimum wage has surpassed the inflation rate while the rest of us actually have to work to earn what we make.

reporter54

Minimum wage workers often have to do more than higher paid workers. Apparently you have never had the privilege to work for less than you deserve. While some minimum wage workers only half-heartedly do their jobs, there are others that are doing twice as much. If you are basing your judgments on fast food workers, you need to do a bit more research. Housekeepers, laundry workers, cashiers, stockers, janitorial and other professions only make minimum wage in many cases. These people work harder than fast food employees. Still I believe they all deserve more money. People on minimum wage can hardly afford a place to live, let alone pay the utilities. So, before you go spouting off, you should walk a mile in their shoes. All minimum wage employees don't live at home with mom, nor are they young people. If you don't think they work, try cleaning 13 motel rooms in 4 hours by yourself. Bet you can't do it.

grandmasgirl

I worked a minimum wage job after my plant closed. I worked hard. I also worked hard when I was paid an above average wage. It's all about your work ethic. Do I think minimum wage earners deserve an increase in pay? Yes, but then you would have to raise the wages of all other workers. I can't see someone working in a factory for $11 or more being happy getting a lower wage than a McDonalds employee.

ladydye_5

I agree. It is work ethic. I worked minimum wage jobs. I worked 3 of them at a time. Front desk jobs, dairy queen jobs, gift shop at a hotel job. Do some (SOME) of them deserve a raise, yes. But to have a wage DOUBLED to 15$ is not reasonable. You do not deserve a raise just because you throw a temper tantrum and stomp your feet.

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The Hero Zone

I don't have a degree in economics but if minimum wage was set to $15/hour wouldn't the prices of everything else correct across the board and leave us exactly where we are today? Wouldn't $15 buy the same amount as $7.X? Then what? Another strike and demand because this time it will work? Australia was brought up in another thread as having that as their minimum wage. I haven't been there, but does Australia have no poverty nor income disparity to the point these strikes are trying to make?

Can anyone help create a thought experiment about what would happen if minimum wage was repealed and employers had to compete for workers?

What I wouldn't give to be in a position of power to ask these questions and get answers on a wider scale. To be able to call up the CEO of Wendy's, Taco Bell, etc. and ask them, "What would you do if there was no minimum wage? What would you do if it were increased to $20/hour with mandatory extras? What can we do to make a more competitive environment and foster growth?"

Have any Reps, Senators, or Presidents done that? I think I remember President Obama inviting CEOs for a conference but did anything come of it?

SamAdams

Google the question. I don't think you'll be surprised to find that, without exception, raising the minimum wage has HURT low income workers, not helped them.

The same principle we now see connected to Obamacare is involved. Obama claimed that Obamacare would decrease health insurance premiums even as it increased options and coverage. As was obvious to anybody with even the most rudimentary education in economics, we now all know that premiums are up; many businesses are decreasing employee hours to avoid paying those higher premiums; doctors are going bankrupt or quitting before they go bankrupt; and medical schools are going begging. Coming your way VERY soon, also as part and parcel of Obamacare: More broke government programs, and higher taxes for one and all. (California might be the best example of just what it's going to mean for all of us eventually because that state is in deep trouble NOW because of all of the entitlements it offers.)

Increase the minimum wage, and prices will increase right along with them so that businesses can afford to pay workers their demanded salaries and still make some kind of a profit. In this instance, demands couldn't be made of a more delicate industry. Restaurant (and grocery) margins are low as it is. Unless you want to pay $8 for a Big Mac, or unless you'd prefer to see still more businesses close their doors, you can't in conscience support such an increase.

Does it make you feel all warm and fuzzy that more people make more money? Sure. But you have to think beyond the demands to the inevitable repercussions (unlike the fast food workers who are currently proving they don't have the intelligence to move into a more lucrative profession).

You've got the right of it when you talk about free market wages. Those who truly work hard, work well, and DESERVE more money would GET more money. Unfortunately, we now live in a country where too many people want nothing to do with equal OPPORTUNITY (because opportunity resembles hard work, apparently), and everything to do with equal REWARDS, deserved or otherwise, and at the expense of everybody else.

deertracker

Explain why a CEO earns millions and millions of dollars. They went to school right? The pay is still ridiculous. Working in fast food does not prove you are not intelligent. You make really ridiculous hate filled comments Sam. You should be ashamed and embarrassed!

SamAdams

The paycheck for many CEOs IS ridiculous! It's on a par with the obscene salaries paid superstar baseball players. The issue, though, is that those people are paid what they're perceived to be worth, and their performance is the gauge. As long as the corporation continues to make decent profits, and as long as the baseball team continues to win before sellout crowds, those folks are going to get paid the big bucks.

You talk about what people deserve to make. Well, these men and women are getting what they DESERVE. How do I figure that? Simple: return on investment. That happens to be true for just about EVERYbody who earns a paycheck. They're paid based on a combination of skill AND how much above and beyond that pay the employer is making. Simple math.

And no, working in fast food doesn't prove you're stupid. It proves you're young and/or unskilled. Demanding $15 an hour to work at McDonald's, however, DOES prove you're stupid. More simple math that apparently they can't perform.

JudgeMeNot

Sam, deerwhaker's pin sized brain cant handle the great info you provide. Of course deerwhaker would be the first in line for a 10 dollar bic mac smiling and wearing his obama 2012 t-shirt.

The New World Czar

If we increased minimum wages to "living wages" for fast-food workers, then we'd end up as a basket-case economy like Spain. Hello 20%+ unemployment!

Pete

Did the SEIU issue 1099's to the paid protesters?

grumpy

I doubt any of them were paid the $600 that would require the 1099. The SEIU is too cheap.

The Big Dog's back

Wow! The right wingers getting their bullspit right out of the koch brothers playbook.

The New World Czar

Wow! When it comes to career fast-food employees, it really hits home with you, doesn't it?

Richard Bebb

I guess if they want a higher paying job then they should have done better in school.

Eph 2 8-10

AMEN!

deertracker

I bet the fast food workers with college degrees may think differently!

Richard Bebb

Ok, I bet the 0.7% of fast food workers with college degrees wish they had picked a better major - the liberal arts or art history degree obviously ain't cutting it.

arnmcrmn

Exactly. A degree in liberal arts with a minor in critical thinking just doesn't cut it these days. To the hundreds of thousands of kids going to college for a business degree....don't be upset when you are working at Rite Aid behind the counter when you graduate.

PTBarnumWouldBeProud

Just curious "Big Dog"....is there any sort of salary ceiling for unskilled labor? Should someone who has made no effort to educate themselves beyond the "minimum daily requirement" or worse, didn't even finish school, be paid a wage equal to someone who is a skilled laborer? You can't be serious. You've got to take off the myopic beer goggles once in a while. You're going to start bumping into things.

Nemesis

Dog's world has no room for individual responsibility, except the responsibility of 1% to take care of the other 99%

Fromthe419

This whole discussion is all about a failed currency policy. When our government tells us inflation is only 2 percent per year (minus food and energy I might add), do you know the result of 2 percent inflation over 30 years? It devalues the dollar by 50 percent. It is time for all Americans to unite together as Big Dog stated and get on the side of real Americans and end the Fed. I would think conservatives and liberals can all agree that a monetary policy based on nothing (fiat currency) is the problem. With a stable currency, inflation and devaluation of the dollar does not occur. I know many progressives consider JFK to be a great President, google Executive Order 10010, JFK wanted to end the Federal Reserve/Central Bank and fractional reserved banking system and alas, he was assassinated 6 months later.

Fromthe419

I might add that Nixon ended the Bretton Woods agreement in 1971 that essentially made the dollar a fiat currency, what happened from 2001 to 2008? We faced financial armageddon, well within the time frame that was predicted. We now depend on the Fed purchasing T notes and mortgage backed securities to the tune of 85B per month to make our financial system work. Look how the markets react everytime a "taper" is mentioned. Wall St is hooked on QE like Huron County is hooked on heroin. In the end, the banks will fail, we will bail them out Cyprus style and any wealth we have will go to the banks and we'll all be out of our homes. I hope and pray those on the left and right wake up and realize the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was the biggest hoax ever pulled on the American public.

SamAdams

You're right. Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) was a champion for an "End the Fed" bill. It's my understanding that his son, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, has also taken up that banner. It's well worth supporting!

Fromthe419

I agree Sam, all of this talk about raising minimum wage is a result of a failed monetary policy. Devaluation of the dollar leaves those on the bottom of the working sector behind and hence they need wage increases just to keep up with inflation. The economic system is a sham, print, borrow spend and what do you get? 17T in debt and no hope of ever paying it off, gridlock in government as they struggle to keep the status quo.

SamAdams

The Fed unquestionably causes some very real problems in this regard, but it's not the ONLY problem. The government is some $17 trillion in debt not because of the Fed but because it KEEPS SPENDING MONEY! There are myriad places where the failure to cut is inexcusable, and even more places where cuts COULD be made if there was the will to do so. There is, apparently, not the will to do so.

Rosa

Nothing from Rand Paul is worth supporting, he needs to stay in the backwoods of Kentucky where he belongs...\

There is no doubt about it, minimum wage needs to be raised but as long as we have CEO's who wish to live as kings, it will not happen. We need more wealthy CEO's as Starbucks & Costco who give a damn about their employees and not just themselves...

And maybe if it cost a little more at McDonalds, people would not eat as much and we could help our USA obesity epidemic...

Fromthe419

I'm off to bed now, but before I go, this is not Bush's fault or Obama's. This is the direct result of Congress giving up what was Constitutionally their right to create currency and giving it to central bankers who neither care about us or care about our nation. To quote a Rothchild, (and I know I am not quoting it word for word)..."If I control as nation's money, I care not who makes the laws."

T-B

Fromthe419 hit the nail right on the head. It's nice to see comments like your's, and people starting to wake up. It's time for people to turn off the MSNBC and Foxnews, and start doing a little research. Keep fighting the good fight 419!

reporter54

How one does in school has little to do with getting a better paying job nowadays. There are college grads working for minimum wage in occupations not related to their degrees because of a lack of opportunities or a great number of people qualified for a certain job. Minimum wage jobs are inequitable in that you can have a minimum wage job that requires you to do many duties and others where there are only a few. A fast food employee does not work as hard as a housekeeper yet the wage is the same. Wage reviews need done for many occupations and employers need to be willing to pay a little more for better employees. I have worked alongside many that only half do their job but get the same salary as everyone else. Then there are those that pawn off their work on others and get all the credit. Those kind of things have to stop also.

Nemesis

"How one does in school has little to do with getting a better paying job nowadays. There are college grads working for minimum wage in occupations not related to their degrees"

That's because they wasted 4 years majoring in political science, (insert victim group here)-studies, or some other made up field that boils down to 4 years of indoctrination in whining about how the world is mean. WHAT one does in school is just as important as HOW one does in school.

The Big Dog's back

Such a right wingnut answer.

JudgeMeNot

Such a puppy answer.

Nemesis

Translation, Dog couldn't handle a meaningful college major because it might involve math, and, you know, math is hard.

@Andria_XX, who has an “Honors BA in Social Justice and Peace Studies” and is pursuing a Master’s degree in Gender Studies, recently tweeted: “I have a honors BA and I’m defending my MA thesis in two weeks. I am also apply for jobs and I can only find stuff in the service industry. I applied for a Hotel Front Desk Clerk job today. My degrees mean NOTHING. I am at the end of my rope.“

This confuses dog as much as it does Andria.

arnmcrmn

The talk above is on such a higher level than most posters can comprehend. Big Dog is one of them. Fell sorry for him, not mad.

SamAdams

Sorry, reporter54, but Nemesis is right. I know two very recent college grads, both of whom majored in something where there's actually some demand in the real world. Both of them are currently working in their field of choice; both of them had more than one offer from which to choose; both are making VERY good money and will likely only make more as time goes on.

How anybody who is theoretically smart enough to go to college could be stupid enough to major in "women's studies" or "art appreciation" is beyond me. There continues to be a demand for qualified people in any number of REAL disciplines. On the opposite end of the scale, and pertinent to the story at hand, is the old joke: What does a liberal arts major say after graduation? ANSWER: You want fries with that?

registerer

I hope that all of those "striking" ante up the $500k+ that it takes to buy a "franchise". Once they do that then they can pay their employees whatever they want to. It's that simple!!

As I have said before it is always easier to bitch about someone else's money. Take a chance and start your business if you think your getting screwed on your wages and you will soon see that it is not always as simple/easy as one thinks.

deertracker

15 dollar minimum wage is probably not going to work for the reasons Hero stated. It would be nice though. I take exception with the consensus that fast food workers don't work as hard as others. That is just false. There are only so many crew members allowed per shift and corporate wants all food orders out within two minutes. During a thousand dollar hour you are working your butt off. If the average check is less than 8 to 10 bucks that is a lot of customers. As business decreases so does the amount of crew so it's not like everyone just gets to stand around after a busy hour. There's still plenty of work to do. It's called getting ready for the next rush. Some of you judges on here probably could not make it in fast food. It would probably be too fast! There are lots of educated people in the hospitality industry.

Justme...

It still requires low skill. I'd love it if my college kids could make $15 an hour working fast food or working at Cedar Point, but the jobs they do simply don't warrant that wage.

deertracker

It just doesn't require major skills and neither does manufacturing or lots of other jobs. You must be trained and qualified to do any job.

Justme...

You can't put a 16 year old on an assembly line. The work can be dangerous. So many peoples' first job was fast food. There's a reason for that. Of course you must be trained and qualified to do any job. But that doesn't translate to $31,000 a year.

deertracker

The reason is because we have child labor laws. What should you have to do for 31k per year? A 16yr. old is limited as to what they can do even in fast food.

Justme...

IMO, for $31k a year, a job that is most people's first job ever - no experience or special skills required...I don't think so. And you are right our labor laws make it tempting for companies to go over seas where they have none. Personally, I find that immoral if they are actually exploiting people (our labor laws - thankfully - are such that unions are no longer needed, but that's another story). But fast food workers are silly to expect that much money.

deertracker

Why? Is it because you want your burger cheap or the work is so easy? Unions are still needed. Have you seen the articles where companies have been fined by OSHA or the Labor dept.? Fast food workers just want a livable wage or don't complain when the gov't picks up the slack. Nothing silly about that!

Justme...

OSHA and Labor Dept. are WHY we don't need unions. I'm not saying companies don't need watched. I'm saying we have a system in place for doing that. I never eat fast food, so I could care less the cost of a burger. To suggest that minumum wage should be $15 an hour because you need that to raise a family...not every job out there can support a family. Again, start your own company and pay based on what each worker needs to support themself and their dependents. Never lay anyone off if your business gets slow. Make all you decisions based on your employees needs - let us know how that goes.

looking around

The existence of OSHA and the Labor Dept. are a direct result of unionized labor. The reason Unions are still viable and needed is to be able to monitor the workplace where OSHA and the Labor Dept. cannot on a daily basis. They make sure an employee who lodges a complaint can not be retaliated against. They represent the workforce in its entirety as well as individually. I've worked in both union and non-union as hourly and as management and I can tell you first hand Union is the way to go!

Nemesis

Why? BECAUSE OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND. There's a price people are willing to pay for a burger. There's a price for which people are willing to do the work. Right now, it's a buyers' market for low-skill labor.

Ever negotiate the price of a car, or a house? What's the basis for the strength of your negotiating position? Your willingness to walk away from the deal. If there are a hundred of that model on the lot and no customers in the showroom, you can beat the dealer up on price. Well, if there are an army of unemployed people out there who can do the job, the franchise owner can get a lower price for labor. If you want to make more, get the skills to qualify yourself for a job that fewer people can do. Value lies in scarcity.

Nemesis

Why? BECAUSE OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND. There's a price people are willing to pay for a burger. There's a price for which people are willing to do the work. Right now, it's a buyers' market for low-skill labor.

Ever negotiate the price of a car, or a house? What's the basis for the strength of your negotiating position? Your willingness to walk away from the deal. If there are a hundred of that model on the lot and no customers in the showroom, you can beat the dealer up on price. Well, if there are an army of unemployed people out there who can do the job, the franchise owner can get a lower price for labor. If you want to make more, get the skills to qualify yourself for a job that fewer people can do. Value lies in scarcity.

Nemesis

"15 dollar minimum wage is probably not going to work for the reasons Hero stated. It would be nice though."

It would be nice if Porsches grew on trees, too. Then there's the real world.

"I take exception with the consensus that fast food workers don't work as hard as others."

An ox pulling a plow works hard, too. It's about SKILLS AND KNOWLEDGE. Anyone can work hard - value comes from scarcity (ever hear of supply and demand?) and there's no shortage of strong backs and weak minds.

deertracker

How much do you pay an ox? Where was the ox educated? Does the ox have a family to support? A book can only teach you so much. It's about GREED! Do you really think that companies that move their operations to extremely low wage counties are concerned about SKILLS OR KNOWLEDGE? Get a clue!

Justme...

Deertracker, go ahead and start your own business, and decide how much to pay each person that works for you based on whether or not they have a family to support. Companies that move their operations to extrememly low wage countries don't need skills and knowlege. Fast food pays less than manufacturing for many reasons - the biggest being its a "starter" job for many people and market determines the wage, within the law. It is not greedy to own a business because you want to make money. If you want to employ people, start a business for that reason and design your business around that goal. Good luck and keep up posted!

deertracker

Worked for Henry Ford. Why do they need skills and knowledge here but not other countries? The greed comes from not paying your employees what they are worth. It's only a starter job if you are a juvenile.

Justme...

So we should pay based on the person's age and whether they have dependents? If its a job that be performed by a 16 year old, chances are its not worth $15 an hour.

arnmcrmn

If ones goals in life are to work the rest of their life at a fast food chain starting at 18 years old.....you simply have nobody to complain to or cry to because you have set your own bar way to low. Good luck in life.

Nemesis

"How much do you pay an ox? Where was the ox educated"

That's the point - the ox has a strong back and a weak mind, which is all that is required to work HARD. If a human wants to get paid like a human, they should bring more to the table than the ox does.

" Do you really think that companies that move their operations to extremely low wage counties are concerned about SKILLS OR KNOWLEDGE?"

They are to the level required to do the job. If you want to make more than someone in Myanmar, then bring more value to the table than the person in Myanmar does. If the job involves no skills or knowledge, then why should an employer pay a skilled/knowledgeable labor rate? Would you pay Rolls Royce price for a Yugo?

It's a free market, supply and demand determine the rates. There's plenty of supply, and in an era of automation and technology, not much demand for strong backs and weak minds. Ya load 16 tons, and a machine loads 32 in the same time. Why should they pay John Henry more than the cost of the steam drill?

deertracker

Good luck trying to get automation and technology to buy the products.

Justme...

You also don't employ people in order to get them to buy your products. I don't think you'll ever get it. I start a company to make money. I hire as needed and pay what I have to pay to get the job done. If I can grow my business without hiring more people, thats a good thing for my business! I personally work for a company. I don't hold it against them that they open their doors each day, not to employ me, but to make money.

Nemesis

Billions served, deer. McDonald's doesn't seem to have any trouble finding customers. I don't eat it, but apparently, someone does.

Nemesis

Billions served, deer. McDonald's doesn't seem to have any trouble finding customers. I don't eat it, but apparently, someone does.

JudgeMeNot

We all know you could not make it in fast food deerwhaker. You would be wanting to give out free burgers to the freeloaders and reducing the companies profit.

AEversole

Phroggy you r kidding right? Price of gas trippled in the past 10 yrs, electric bills at least doubled, milk over doubled, price of groceries almost doubled and don't think the cost of living has raised? Where did you go to school? Maybe you should go back simple mathematics. As stated they know they wont ge 15$ but if they get countered it might be high enough to be right were they need it......these jobs that have been made available since this recession are a joke.... all min wage junk that are impossible to support a family, so I totally agree, and if this country wants change and they stick together in every city in every store, they will see a change..make a stand so we as a whole can receive that change we were promised.

JudgeMeNot

Less than five years ago gas was on average 1.70. Electric has doubled because of obamas war on coal. Milk has doubled due to high fuel prices. The cost of living has increased, but so have taxes.

grumpy

If the owner/operator of the business couldn't find enough workers at $7.25 per hour, like in Montana and North Dakota, they would have to pay more to get workers. That is the definition of market wages. As is they have applications on file to replace the workers they have. Fast food has a rather high turnover.

Nor'easter

Doubling the minimum wage will also double the prices for no net gain. The real harm would be to Retired and people on Disability Social Security. They would effectively have their income cut in half. Most of these disabled are already living below the poverty level and needing to make a daily choice of food or medicine or keeping the electricity and water turned on. The folly of doubling the minimum wage is that wages are always a percentage of sales. If sales stay the same the number of hours for workers would be cut in half. If people are struggling now, how are they going to survive on half of what they already were making?

baller19

This is a complete joke. This will not be good no matter what they raise it to, cause everything else will go up in time.
"Fast food has high turnover rate" no kidding, it is a starter job and there is always others that step right in with smiles.
Not looking foward to seeing how this pans out. I feel sorry for my kids when they grow up all I can do is raise them the best that I can for the future what ever that might hold for them.

The Big Dog's back

Are manufacturing jobs that pay 8-10 dollars an hour "starter jobs"? I'd be embarrassed as an employer to advertise that pay rate.

Pete

As an "employer" what do YOU pay your workers?

JudgeMeNot

You wouldn't have the first inkling on how to have a business. Your comments prove that.

looking around

Can they raise the minimum wage? Will it improve the standard of living for the service industry workers? CEO's wont talk? Well, how about somebody from the register contact one of the local franchise owners? Seems the one who lives in Sandusky and owns 15 Wendy's could be interviewed if you can catch up to him. Try finding him at the airport getting ready to depart on his $800,000 Airplane perhaps going somewhere to watch one of his race cars compete or at the Sandusky Yacht Club getting ready to cast off for the Islands on his Yacht. Maybe they can ring the doorbell at his multi million dollar home if they can get the code the fire department uses to open the gated community. Maybe his wife who owns the Pump Tavern knows where he is, she has a lot of low paid workers frequent her place were she recovers the wages they have to pay them. I don't begrudge these people the lifestyle the have, I'm sure they worked hard to get there, but can they do better for their hard working employes with a little better wage and perhaps some health benefits without being forced into it by minimum wage laws and affordable health care act? I bet he spends more money on fuel for his toys than it would take to make a difference for these people.

Sorry to single them out but it's on a local level that many here can see for themselves, it's nationwide and yes a worldwide problem. Business people tend to take advantage of low paid labor when ever and where ever possible.

The Big Dog's back

You said it looking around. Nobody begrudges these people's lifestyle, but they sure could do a little more for their hard working employees who make their lifestyle possible.

Nemesis

The people who do that never see that lifestyle, because they go out of business.

Unassumer

I agree with looking around. I also don't believe all wages are based on skills and knowledge although they want us to believe that. Some people that manage others and do absolutely nothing make $21 and hour while the minimum wage people do all the work. Employers use people. Period. It's time to start valuing them and not let them be the first hit when sales are slow. CEOs don't need million dollar houses and an airplane when their workers are on food stamps. homeless or having to live with family because they can't afford rent anywhere. There is something wrong with our system. That's the bottom line.

grumpy

When you own the business, then you can pay your employees more if you wish

What makes you feel that you can tell an employer what they have to pay someone? Who gave you that power or the right to tell the business owner?

If you don't like the pay the employer pays don't work there and don't buy from that company. Not eating fast food would be good for your health.

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The Hero Zone

So how do you micromanage what every person does in every position in every private business? How do you legislate and forcibly compel this? I don't argue your emotion, but the implementation is the issue.

Just as well, while you may not think rich people need those houses and planes, but...who built them? Designed them? Did the wiring? Plumbing? Who pumped the fuel for the jet or to get the contractor to the worksite? Do the pilots of that unneeded plane and all the maintenance staff that keep it going not need jobs either?

I get your passion, but try to look at the bigger picture. Nobody "needs" comic books but yet I make my livelihood on selling things to people they don't "need" according to someone else's opinion that isn't the money holder. Do I need to go out of business so that someone else doesn't have to be on assistance?

The Big Dog's back

Your answer to your questions? Minimum wage workers.

grumpy

You think minimum wage workers designed the plane? Did the wiring? Piloted the plane? Really? Are you that deluded? I guess with that last question I answered my other questions.

looking around

Grumpy, you obviously don't know anything about the aviation industry!

arnmcrmn

and I can guarantee you that those people, along with the people holding the light sticks guiding planes aren't making minimum wage either. I had a patient who handled LUGGAGE for Southwest who was making $25.00 an hour to handle bags.

Nemesis

Pay is not based on the skills and knowledge of the employee; it's based on the skills and knowledge needed to do the job. If you're flipping burgers, a PhD is is of no value to your employer. Skills and knowledge don't justify asking for higher pay - they qualify one to go find a DIFFERENT job that pays more.

arnmcrmn

For those of you complaining. Go start your own business, see what overhead really is and all the time you put in at home and behind the scenes. Then tell your employees that you can't pay them $20.00 an hour because it cuts into your profit to much and wont allow you to grow.

Job pay is based on skill and the availabitity for someone to replace someone if you fired them. When a CEO of a major company is fired, the board does not call up Harvard and ask if they have an CEO's ready in their CEO 101 class. Hint: schools do not have CEO classes. CEO's are like professional football players. There are many out there that on paper look good and claim they can do the job, but when it comes down to it only a few can mentally and physically handle the job. Now, McDonalds.......21 year old Darnell who has been with McD's for 2 years decides to skip a couple days and play some COD on his xbox. The manager calls him in and fires him and then within a few minutes has a replacement, as he reaches into his "application drawer" and calls the next person on top of the pile. Training takes 2 days and they are off on their own flipping burgers.

If you don't own a business, you simply do not get the dynamics.

AnAmerican

If there were not so many lucrative entitlements there would be no discussion. No reason to strive or work hard when you can always fall back on the entitlements.