How much does your school's superintendent make?

Every area superintendent's contract posted here, as well as up-to-date salaries; pick up the Register today for full story, including interesting contract highlights
Alissa Widman Neese
Aug 26, 2013

 

When most area districts kick off their school years this week, a majority of their superintendents are poised to earn above-average salaries, according to a Register analysis of Ohio Department of Education data.

Among 16 local superintendents, salaries range from $77,000 to $158,000, according to the data.

A PDF of each area superintendent's contract is posted below.

The region’s top earner is Eugene Sanders, superintendent of Sandusky Schools, the area’s second-largest district. His five-year contract, finalized earlier this year, will land him about $900,000 in salaries, bonuses and benefits if he remains in the district through its completion.

The area’s lowest-paid superintendent is Steve Poe, of Put-in-Bay School, the area’s smallest district with just 72 students.

But when considering some of Poe’s unique contract benefits — such as the South Bass Island home the district provides his family during the school year, as well as work-related travel and lodging reimbursement on the mainland — it’s clear comparing superintendent compensation isn’t always clear-cut.

The second-lowest area superintendent salary is Gregg Elchert, a one-year hire at Monroeville Schools, at $85,000. The third-lowest is Benton-Carroll-Salem Schools superintendent Guy Parmigian, at $95,000.

All other superintendent salaries exceed $100,000, excluding other benefits, for an overall region average of about $112,300.

Statewide, the average superintendent salary is about $101,500, when accounting for all districts, community schools and educational service centers, according to the Ohio Department of Education’s most recent data.

Despite the ranging pay rates, many critics across Ohio claim district administrators — specifically their top-earning superintendents — simply receive too much. The scrutinizers take note of the faltering economy and budget cuts not just to public education, but all levels of government.

Those who support the wages, however, call attention to a superintendent’s vital, challenging role — working long hours, managing multimillion-dollar budgets, and representing hundreds of employees and students in the public eye.

Still others declare an appropriate superintendent salary is situational, depending on what a district and its taxpayers can afford.

To kick off the “back to school” season, the Register compiled a list of the area’s 16 superintendents, including their salaries from the past school year, contract highlights and characteristics of their districts.

 

BELLEVUE

NAME: Kim Schubert

SALARY: $100,485 

YEARS: Aug. 2012-July 2018

DISTRICT ENROLLMENT: 2,004

DISTRICT BUDGET: $21 million 

 

BENTON-CARROLL-SALEM

NAME: Guy Parmigian

SALARY: $95,000

YEARS: Aug. 2012-July 2014

DISTRICT ENROLLMENT: 1,508

DISTRICT BUDGET: $19 million

 

CLYDE-GREEN SPRINGS

NAME: David Stubblebine

SALARY: $103,500

YEARS: Aug. 2013-July 2016

DISTRICT ENROLLMENT:2,052

DISTRICT BUDGET: $21 million

 

DANBURY

NAME: Dan Parent

SALARY:›$105,987

YEARS: Aug. 2011-July 2015

DISTRICT ENROLLMENT: 552

DISTRICT BUDGET: $10 million

 

EDISON

NAME: Tom Roth

SALARY: $111,485

YEARS: Aug. 2011-July 2014

DISTRICT ENROLLMENT: 1,512

DISTRICT BUDGET: $14 million

 

EHOVE CAREER CENTER

NAME: Sharon Mastroianni

SALARY: $119,332

YEARS: July 2012-June 2015

DISTRICT ENROLLMENT: 717

DISTRICT BUDGET: $13 million 

 

FREMONT

NAME: Traci McCaudy

SALARY: $146,595

YEARS: Aug. 2011-July 2016

DISTRICT ENROLLMENT: 4,001 DISTRICT

BUDGET: $39 million 

 

HURON

NAME: Dennis Muratori

SALARY: $124,989

YEARS: Aug. 2013-July 2016

DISTRICT ENROLLMENT: 1,416

DISTRICT BUDGET: $16 million 

 

MARGARETTA

NAME: Ed Kurt

SALARY: $113,771

YEARS: Aug. 2013-July 2016

DISTRICT ENROLLMENT: 1,115

DISTRICT BUDGET: $14 million

 

MONROEVILLE

NAME: Gregg Elchert

SALARY: $85,000

YEARS: Aug. 2013-July 2014

DISTRICT ENROLLMENT: 600

DISTRICT BUDGET: $7 million 

 

NORWALK

NAME: Dennis Doughty

SALARY: $110,259

YEARS: Aug. 2011-July 2015

DISTRICT ENROLLMENT: 2,826

DISTRICT BUDGET: $24 million 

 

PERKINS

NAME: Jim Gunner

SALARY: $117,200

YEARS: Aug. 2011-July 2015

DISTRICT ENROLLMENT: 2,286

DISTRICT BUDGET: $22 million 

 

PORT CLINTON

NAME: Patrick Adkins

SALARY: $104,578

YEARS: Aug. 2011-July 2016

DISTRICT ENROLLMENT: 1,619

DISTRICT BUDGET: $21 million 

 

PUT-IN-BAY

NAME: Steve Poe

SALARY: $77,000

YEARS: Jan. 2012-July 2014

DISTRICT ENROLLMENT: 72

DISTRICT BUDGET: $3 million 

 

SANDUSKY

NAME: Eugene Sanders

SALARY: $158,000

YEARS: Aug. 2013-July 2018

DISTRICT ENROLLMENT: 3,080

DISTRICT BUDGET: $44 million 

 

VERMILION

NAME: Phil Pempin

SALARY: $122,522

YEARS: Aug. 2013-July 2016

DISTRICT ENROLLMENT: 1,915 

DISTRICT BUDGET: $24 million 

 

Pick up a copy of today's Register for a full listing of contract highlights of area superintendents.

Comments

fifteenthgreen

Gunner:

26. Should the School District receive an Excellent with Distinction rating on the Ohio Department of Education Local Report Card, the superintendent will receive an additional bonus of $7,500.
This bonus is in addition to any bonus for a rating of “Excellent” described hereafter. Should the School District receive an Excellent rating on its annual report card by the Ohio Department of Education, the Board will pay the Superintendent a $5,000 performance bonus
for each year the district received the Excellent rating of the contract. This bonus may be paid into a retirement fund of the Superintendent’s choosing.

Resident51

He is already justifying the 3 "F's". I wonder if they'll deduct $7500 for poor grades? Also heard ThorSports offered to pay all "pay-to-play" fees and there are various other private donations. Can anyone confirm this?

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Alissa Widman Neese

The check register I obtained from the district treasurer this past week only listed 3 private donations this year, totaling $1,695. 

Gardenman

I see too that the Vermilion Local Schools Superintendent gets a bonus if the district receives an effective/excellent etc rating. I really do not understand the thinking of our school board members. I can only deduct it's mostly not their money they are spending so they are quite free and easy with it.

Let's just consider you hire a plumber to repair a faucet in your house. So he/she comes within the hour and saves you buying a new facet and it works great. SO YOU GIVE the plumber a BONUS for doing the job you hired them to do???. You hire them to do a good job and when they do just that you then give them a bonus for doing what you hired them to do in the first place.

Do Boards of Education EXPECT a superintendent to DO THE JOB?? Are they actually suprised when they really DO THE JOB ??? Do they feel they must be REWARDED for DOING THE JOB they were hired to do ???? If I hired a superintendent to run a district I darn well expect them to do the best they can and NO WAY do I feel I would reward them for doing the job I hired them to do. I I hire them to be superintendent I absolutely want them to bring the district to excellent level. That's what I hired them to do !!!

Really is there any Board member in Perkins or Vermilion and maybe other districts too that do not expect the superintendent to do the job and when they actually do the job they are so excited, surprised and grateful they want to give them a bonus???? Obviously, they must be from the bonuses they give. Again, I go back to the fact they are very free with money that is mostly not theirs in the first place.

Perkins is in dire financial staights and they are giving out bonuses to folks for just doing their jobs. Amazing !!! Boards who have that mentality are Boards who are not asking the voters for more money to pay the bills.

I think some of these Board members need to have their heads examined for reality....or better yet just need to be voted off the Board. Let them run for an office where they don't have control over our tax payer dollars. They certainly have lost all creditability in doing a Board member's job.

From the Grave

Let's look at something that is REALLY wasting money~kids making too many trips to the bathroom. Water and sewer are expensive! Limit them to one potty break a day!

grewuphere

Again, it mystifies me as to why you chose to list every district in the area and leave NORTHPOINT out. They are a county tax based system that consists of ERIE, HURON, and Ottawa county...they have employees in almost all school districts and a whole tier of people making almost 100,000 before you step up to the superintendent, assistant, and treasurer. They are a stone never turned. Just saying...even when the count department heads make the paper they are avoided and interestingly enough they hire each other for these major positions and promote from within family and friendship lines. Just mystified.

margaritaville88

Hope this a start for you guys... http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/...

Gardenman

I would concur with your thoughts and hope the SR will go back and get their information.

lovesthebeach

You need to publish the salary of North Point ESC superintendent and the many executive directors they have. They are very top heavy on chiefs that make big money. A couple years ago the 2 at the top created jobs for their replacements who by the were also related to the executive director and their director of special ed. So for at least a year they had four big salaries to pay. They cut 25 hand on jobs to come up with the money for the pencil pushers aka family.

margaritaville88

And you are correct..bunch of them making over 100k yr.....

lovesthebeach

In 2011.... I counted 25 that had salaries of over $80,000 that did not count perks. 2012 had nothing posted. 3 over 100 and 3 in high 90's.

lovesthebeach

Their highest paid teacher made almost $70,000 in 2011.

bjm

It's eye opening to see the superintendents' salaries. Wonder what the North Point ESC super makes--he/she should be included? Also, wonder if they all work the same number of days--or do some work less than a full year.

margaritaville88

Here is what the Super at North point made in 2011 at Norwalk as an assitant!! wow.. http://ohio-employees.findthedat...

lovesthebeach

He made a lateral move.... And is the nephew of Dan McCarthy retired executive director who made 113,900 in 2011

MiddleRight

On top of the salaries:
STRS pick-up is 10% of their salary
Medicare 1.5% pick-up
Phone expenses
Annuity contributions
Grant reimburesments
Performance bonuses

Gardenman

MiddleRight I will update you on the figures,,,,,School districts pay to Ohio State Teachers Retirement System (STRS) not 10% as you have listed but 14% of the certified employees salary. Employee is paying 11% and that is now going up 1% a year to 14% matching the school districts amount. All being done to shore up the retirement system from 2008 disaster in the markets.

Thus you see a person making for example $100,000 that is really $114,000 with retirement paid by the school district plus any other benefits like health insurance.

starryeyes83

Wow, puts a whole new spin on the ever popular "but it's for the children" card...doesn't it?

KURTje

Thanks for the facts Register. Those in "authority" are in dire need of reduction of benefits.

eriemom

I think that somewhere I read a Gunnerism about administrators taking wage freezes and increases in health deductions or premiums before asking staff for the same. The contractual salary might be "frozen," but obviously other benefits make up for it.

Perkins2060

"Gunnerism" good one!

red white and blue

What is north point i've never herd of them.please fill me in

Stop It
eriemom

Google can be your friend only if you have some idea about what it is you are looking for.

Try this, North Point Educational Service Center

http://www.npesc.org

Don Hardy

if they do the job expected.. not a problem... they should post what the register employees make. then we can decide if this paper cost to much based on the wages.

Gardenman

Why do you see so many of these school districts Boards feel they must give a tax sheldered annunity to the superintendent ? Look at the contracts and one after another do that. Is it that it's sorta "hidden" salary to the super away from the public alas taxpaper's eyes? Do Boards feel we the taxpayers are that stupid to not see it? Alas, they get $90,000 and benefits and a tax sheldered annunity is a benefit and they think we will not ask or know what an annunity really is?

Makes you wonder who these school Boards are really working for....the taxpayers who elected them or the superintendents who they hire?

kal-el

You're joking, right? Lots of businesses offer their employees matching 401(k), a tax-sheltered annuity, as a perk. Get in the real world.

Kobayashi Maru

First of all I am all for government not wasting money. But, I don't have that much of an issue with the salries these people make. They are the CEOs of the district, are well-educated (Masters or above) and have experience. They work year round. They would be made a lot more money if they were in the private sector, and many of the benefits they get (phone, sheltered tax annuities, etc.) are comparable to the business world.

Also, while the Superintendent is usually the highest paid district employee in terms of salary, the person who makes the most per hour (or per day) is a 30-year teacher. That's surprising to me because they don't have the stress or responsibility that the Superintendent has. That's be like a longtime cook at McDonalds getting more money than the store GM. Doesn't work that way.

fifteenthgreen

Agree with the salaries of these Superintendents just not with Gunner's policies, poor objectives, communication skills, direction and lack of results.

coasterfan

Kobayashi: You made a lot of sense in your first paragraph, but your 2nd paragraph is basically misinformed/incorrect. It doesn't work that way.

A 30-year teacher in most districts in our area makes roughly $55-60,000 tops, unless they sign up for extra duties, which, of course, adds to the number of hours they work. I'm a retired teacher. During the school year, I put in 11-12 hours per day, plus time on weekends. Teachers - even the most experienced, who are at the high end of their salary schedule - make about 2/3 the salary of a supt. Add up the hours teachers work during the school year, and there's no way they get paid more per hour than a supt. making $100,000+ per year.

People have got to stop assuming that teachers work only the hours kids
are at school. And it's not just during the actual school year. My wife starting preparing for the school year with daily visits to her building in late July, and usually doesn't finish what she needs to do at school until mid-June.

I would contend that both jobs have a lot of stress. Until you've been in the classroom with anywhere from 20-100 students at once, you aren't qualified to assess which job is more stressful. There is a reason why the average teacher only stays in the profession for 5 years.

fifteenthgreen

Valid point, coasterfan, but what was your average work day assuming you worked 11-12 hours a day. 7am - 7pm? 6am - 6pm? 7:30am - 7:30pm? Mon - Fri.?

Base salaries of teachers at the Perkins School District:

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

Supplemental schedule at Perkins School District:

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

Administration:

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

Gardenman

Coasterfan "been there too done that" you are right. Let some of these who think teachers have it easy try spending 180 days a year with bouncing, yelling, anxioius, hormone charged bodies, etc I don't care what age and see if they think teachers are overpaid. Moms and dads get real upset when they ahve 2-3 kids at home try having 150 under your charge in a day !!!

Informed

Not to mention the psycho parents who range from do-nothings who don't even check their kindergartner's book bag the entire year, to complete helicopter parents who do their high-schoolers homework for them.

Kobayashi Maru

I understand where you are coming from - teachers work a lot of extra hours that they are not paid with overtime. However, so does the Superintendent. He/she is paid a salary for a normal work day but he/she constantly attends meetings, sporting events, etc., without getting overtime pay. It may be in his contract that he does those things, however, it is in the contract of a teacher that they are to be prepared to teach every day. If that means staying late or going in early, so be it. A teacher's job is to give the best education possible to each student. Some teachers work their contracted hours and that it is. Others, like your wife, give it their all and put in the extra time needed to be the best. Remember, though, it's her choice to stay into June and come back in July. She is not obligated to be there by the board. She is simply dedicated to her career, and I commend her for that.

My point was this - take Stacy Williams at Perkins, for example. Her salary, listed by the Register, is $74,409. She works a 185 day contract at 7 1/2 hours a day. That equals $53.62 an hour, regardless of benefits. Gunner makes $56 an hour, but works 260 days a year, and has to do work outside of his contracted hours. Now, I don't know who Stacy Williams is or what she teaches, but if I read the information correctly, that salary is based on her teaching duties only.

If you compare principal salaries to teacher salaries you will find that many times the teachers are paid more per hour than their immediate supervisor. That doesn't happen in the real world. Most professionals, be it in the private sector or the public sector, put in more hours than are required by their contract. It's a fact of life. CEOs all the way down to payroll clerks will do extra if needed. Supers and teachers are no different.

Common Sense

How many teachers do you know that follow their contracted hours and that is it? Do you have any idea what teachers must do to ensure their license is renewed? Do you know how many teachers are footing the bill to become reading licensed because they teach in the primary grades and are now required to have this special licensure due to the new, UNMANDATED bill? Nearly every teacher that I know works well beyond the hours in a contract and spend their hard-earned money on their classrooms to entice students and try new methods.
I just adore people who can slap around educators and yet have never walked in their shoes.

Kobayashi Maru

If you read closely all my comments on this story you'd see that I agree with you. I never said teachers don't work hard for their money. I am simply pointing out that the Superintendent does a lot of work outside his/her contracted day but no one wants to bring that up. I believe most people in education are earn their worth - minus the few lazy teachers that are simply hanging on.

I am sad to hear you don't adore me, because I have walked in those shoes of which you speak.

fifteenthgreen

I've said all along the teachers salaries are too close in comparison to all administrators.

Informed

Here's my issue--these school districts are all too small to each have their own superintendents. PIB has a super for 72 kids, and while his actual salary is only $77,000, he gets a free home to live on for him and his family. There should be one super and an assistant super for all of Erie Co. and the same for the surrounding counties. Many other states have such a county system and it seems to work just fine while saving money.
The school district I came from had as twice as many students in high school alone as some of these district's total enrollment, and we still had only one super for the district--about 10,000 students.

Nemesis

That's essentially merging the districts, in which case Erie County would become Sandusky City Schools, since that district holds the majority of the county's voters, taxed at SCS rates, performing at SCS level.

Informed

No, that's not what that means at all. There could be a county-wide superintendent that is paid by all counties in some formula that an actuary would have to come up with. All the school districts would still be their own.

Nemesis

And if we shared a president with Canada and Mexico, North America would be essentially one nation. If GM and Ford shared a single CEO, they'd be one corporation. It's not like the superintendent is a vendor offering a commodity service to multiple customers - the role is to be the CEO of the district.

Informed

Other states do it just fine.

Nemesis

By effectively merging their districts. I guarantee those districts are not independent. An independent entity needs its own leader. Pay that leader what you will, title the job what you will, but any district with any independence has its own leader. There is a state superintendent, but that doesn't mean he/she runs all the districts such that they don't need their own CEO's.

sorryhog

What a waste of money.

Azure Ray

The Register is really good at distracting people from the news that really matters. I bet you there are plenty of people on here who know the salaries of local educators like the back of their hands, but couldn't tell you the first thing about the issues that are really threatening their tax dollars, privacy, and safety. What a great plan from the media - make people sit and think about frivolous issues, and then ignore the stuff that has actual impact on your lives.

lovesthebeach

Don't the taxes you pay affect your life? It does mine, living on a fixed income!

Darkhorse

Sandusky Schools superintendent making $158,000 a year and what are we getting back in return? We get an "F" score and the rating is an 8 out of 24 standards that need to be met. It is all about what you can get out of the taxpayer in operating levies and nothing going into the kids. We expect better then this. The Sanders guy is way over paid for the results we are getting. The school is failing our kids and Sanders is laughing all the way to the bank when he deposits his check.

Azure Ray

Darkhorse: "The school is failing our kids?"

There are MANY other factors that go into whether or not a student does well in school. The superintendent may have a small part of that, but 90% of how well a student does comes from parents and the home situation.

Nemesis

BINGO! Schools don't fail; students do.

From the Grave

Dummy parents sending their little dummy kids to school to be taught by dummy teachers using a dummy curriculum. What do you get?
Dummies.

oldpirate

You are a case in point!

twosenseworth

SR, is there no information available on the assistant superintendent for each of the 16 schools, and while we're on it, how about the assistant(s)-to-the assistant? That would give us all a much better view of how our tax dollars are being absorbed.

Informed

I don't think that most districts in this area have an assistant superintendent. They have a secretarial type assistant, but not an assistant super.

twosenseworth

Sandusky has an assistant superintendent.

Informed

I said most, not all. Sandusky is probably the only district that does.

twosenseworth

The fact is that Sandusky has an assistant superintendent. The possibility that other school district's may have an assistant superintendent is the basis for my asking the SR to investigate and report back. Since the SR reported that 16 school district's have a superintendent, it seems logical to ask whether or not they also, like Sandusky, have an assistant superintendent.

Informed

Just look at the school district's websites.

Kobayashi Maru

Norwalk has one and she's paid $99,900. She's a retire-rehire as well...

rezzy

WAIT A MINUTE HERE! You mean to tell me that our tax dollars pay $180,000 a year for little old Sandusky's Superintendant? He makes more than our Congress Woman? In fact, our Congress members make less and live in Washington DC. According to most cost of living calculators, if you want to have the same standard of living in DC as your lifestyle in Sandusky while making $180,000 a year, you'd have to make $298,000 in DC. In fact, the median household (that's household) income in Sandusky was $46,000 in 2011. Folks, you all need to start showing up at the city meetings, writing letters and grabbing your signs. This a prime example of what happens when government stops being a good steward with our tax dollars.

queenjhb

But, your forgetting what matters , Eugene Sanders looks good in a suit, easy smile ,all worth $180,000 at least. What is his past record in Toledo? He does move around a lot, what's with that? Sandusky,you should expect so much more from all you have , your getting so little.

Browndog271

Gene is well worth any cost. He is a dynamic leader and educator. Sandusky is very lucky he offered to come here.

rezzy

No one is questioning his leadership or his ability as an educator. Based on your comment, I suspect you are yearning for social credits from the superintendant and understand that. If leadership and education are the justification you use, then you should consider that most three star generals in the Army don't make the same pay as our superintendant and have global responsiblity with tens of thousands of people under them. I'm also curious about true metrics that justify this absurd pay. Has he made any notable improvements that are more than just feel good observations, meaning justifiable by numbers (graduate rates, GPAs, etc...)? If so, we would have heard all about them, but I suspect that is not the case. By the way, I'm educated and a good leader, maybe I should get paid $180,000.

Browndog271

I guess not

queenjhb

@ Browndog- ask the property owners that pay the tax that pays his salary that know the kids aren't making the grade, what they think. I hope it gets better, what was his record in Toledo?

Browndog271

68% of the property owners have rentals, they seem fine

Perkins2060

They should have regional superintendents. This is nuts.

Nemesis

That's ridiculous on its face. There are multiple independent districts. You can't have them all being run by one person, who answers to all the different boards.

bondgirlM

Margaretta need not ask me for another levy AGAIN!!!

MP

Interesting data when you break it down and sort it out. I know that Perkins is the target of alot of scrutiny, however look a bit closer. Perhaps they are doing the best they can with what they have. Based on Register stats provided, sort by cost per pupil:

Norwalk 8492
Edison 9259
Perkins 9623
Fremont 9747
Clyde 10233
Bellevue 10479
Huron 11299
Monroeville 11667
Vermillion 12532
Margareta 12556
Oak Harbor 12599
Port Clinton 12971
Sandusky 14286
Danbury 18116
Ehove 18131

Props to Norwalk. They are doing a great job. Not sure if Edison is an updated number with their recently passed levy. If so, impressive. look at the disparity between Perkins and Sandusky for all those who support a merger. What's most alarming to me is Ehove and Danbury! Wow: $18K/kid! ...and Ehove passes levies by a landslide everytime. Makes no sense to me.

Now sort the super's salaries by cost per pupil:

Fremont 37
Norwalk 39
Bellevue 50
Clyde 50
Perkins 51
Sandusky 51
Oak Harbor 63
Vermillion 64
Port Clinton 65
Edison 73
Huron 88
Margareta 102
Monroeville 142
Ehove 166
Danbury 192

interesting trends on what supers are really paid. Again, Ehove and Danbury- Wow!

For as much grief as the bloggers give Perkins I think they are doing well with what they have. Stats don't lie.

Informed

You can't compare EHOVE to the rest of the districts in terms of money spent per pupil. They have equipment and specialized training that the other schools do not have. Other schools do not have an auto shop, a diesel shop, and robotics,etc. Students come out of there with industry certifications.

MP

Ehove is not what it used to be. Most of their programs now are targeted after college prep- not vocational. Teaching, nursing, engineering, etc. competing with local schools for the best kids not serving the local schools needs as they were designed to do. Not fair to give them a pass.

Informed

That is simply not true. They have just expanded their offerings to include those who will go on to college, not eliminated those for students who won't. They have many vocational programs. Auto repair, auto shop, diesel repair, industrial tech, carpentry tech, electrical tech, culinary, cosmetology, fire-fighter/emt for kids who want vocational training and aren't going to college. Then they offer things like computer network, visual media, exercise science, health tech, and the teacher academy for students who plan on attending college. They serve all types of students. I still give them a pass because they need equipment that the other schools do not need.

MP

You make my case for me. My post is about the funding. Ehove has evolved and changed, I get that. The funding has not. The partner schools signed up for Ehove to serve their vocational needs, not recruit their college bound students.

It’s hypocritical of the Perkins community to support twice the level of funding for the vocational school compared to the home school. It makes no sense.

Informed

Individual districts pay a very small amount to support EHOVE. And sorry, but the districts, including Perkins, do not have the types of programs that EHOVE does, so what difference does it make if college-bound students go to EHOVE when Perkins isn't offering them hands-on experience in Exercise Science or Health Care fields, for example? Their vocational needs are still being met, so I don't get what your complaint is. It's nice that students of all aptitudes have choices that will help them in their future.

fifteenthgreen

I agree, MP which is why they shouldn't need any more tax dollars right now plus a new school, etc... Get it done with what you've got and check back later if and when the economy improves.

MP

Not sure I agree 15. Look a bit closer at the cost per pupil…

Norwalk 8492… new school
Edison 9259
Perkins 9623
Fremont 9747…new school
Clyde 10233…new school
Bellevue 10479…new school
Huron 11299… talking about new schools
Monroeville 11667
Vermillion 12532…new school
Margareta 12556
Oak Harbor 12599
Port Clinton 12971…new school
Sandusky 14286
Danbury 18116
Ehove 18131…new school

Perkins has been making it work with what it has for 13 years. I think its time. The recession hit in 2008. They got us through that.

Informed

Where are you getting that Huron is talking about new schools? That's news to me!

MP

they bought new land, right? I should have said it that way

Informed

What new land? I haven't heard that.

fifteenthgreen

What do you mean they bought new land? Where, MP?

TellTheTruth

Has anyone noticed Gunner's most recently quoted misstatement of the facts (exaggeration/lie?) in the Register when he claims the District terminated ALL extracurriculars in the 80's? That never happened! For a short time the lowest level of sports, such as middle school football or track, was terminated for fiscal reasons, but at no time were all extracurriculars terminated. Gunner speaks with "forked tongue" again!

fifteenthgreen

Middle School sports was only cut for one year. That was it. Effected the Class of '89 when they were in junior high only and they were pretty good at the high school level. No other programs were cut. He's grasping again!

perk up

A very important issue to be voted on This November election is election of board members for Perkins Schools. This is in addition to the request for new taxes. The election of new board members may be the most important of the two. I would like to know where the candidates stand on current board decisions. We know where Mr. Chapman stands but where do the following candidates stand?
Mr. Michael Ahner
Mr. Jason Bennett
Mr. J. Franklin
Mr. Richard Uher
I would be willing to campaign for any who oppose current policies.

underthebridge

I think your best bet would be Ahner and Franklin.

perk up

Really like more info on these two.

Bherrle

As far as the facilities of the Perkins Local School district are concerned, how much farther does anyone think we can "kick that can down the road?" It was being kicked years before Jim Gunner arrived.

It is not the pure age of the facilities I am referring too.

fifteenthgreen

Bherrle,your question: "how much farther does anyone think we can "kick that can down the road?"

When crap like this stops happening in Ohio! KBI, Janesville, Bank of America, etc..... http://www.cleveland.com/busines...

Bherrle

15th,

So do we play the victim to these things, or do we figure out how to overcome them? How are other communities able to build despite what you reference. Why does it only affect Perkins?

fifteenthgreen

This isn't about building, remember? Also, those areas that have built have some industry left or at least did, like Norwalk for example. We do not have any jobs left, Bherrle and no leadership in the federal, state and local levels to attract new to the area. They're all leaving if you haven't noticed. You moved to a "shiny new turd" of a community that provided you with just a promise. That's it. Who is Perkins Township's best and strongest employer and not based solely on the number of employees? Name them!

Nemesis

Well, let's see, SMCC has managed to go OVER A CENTURY without replacing their facility and it doesn't seem to have hurt their academic performance.

Bherrle

Nemesis,

Perhaps you missed the part where I said that I am not talking about pure age.

fifteenthgreen

I get that you're gleaming with pride after a big win, but why does "pure age" matter? Perkins feels entitled while other schools get it done with what they have. Big difference. We could have the biggest and best school and we still would provide a mediocre, at best, education. The Perkins mentality. Also, check that scoreboard. Pay to play isn't hurting anyone!!!

underthebridge

I agree. A small group of people have been sounding the alarm for years about the decline in Perkins academic performance to Gunner, to the BOE for years. The response from them? Lets build new facilities! Ridiculous. I really think that if the district focused on improving education, the money would follow with affirmatives on levy votes.

TellTheTruth

Amen to that, underthebridge.

eriemom

"A small group of people have been sounding the alarm for years about the decline in Perkins academic performance to Gunner, to the BOE for years."

Or worse.

Bherrle

15th,

If the result of one football game is what you think my comments are based on, or is how you are judging the PTP situation, then I fear you don't "get" it.

Other schools "get it done with what they have."? Really, so no districts in the area have raised millage? We are certainly getting it done with less per student than most districts. As far as the state scores, Ohio hasn't been able to figure out how to fund schools fairly in 20 years. What on earth makes us think they can grade schools fairly or appropriately?

Entitlement and pure age? I don't care if our facilities were 200-300 years old. It's the conditions that matter. If anyone wants to compare our facilities to that of other schools, age alone is not an accurate measure. How were they built? What materials used? Any hazmats still exist? What are maintenance and repair costs? What conditions exist? How is the infrastructure? Electrical system? Plumbing and sewage? Environmental factors, such as air quality? What is going to happen with all of these things in the next 5-10-15 years?

If looking at the situation that way means a supporter feels entitled, then we have very different definitions of that word.

MP and oldtimer bring up some very valid points? How is it that Perkins wastes money when we are in the bottom half of the rankings in spend per student?

fifteenthgreen

Are MP and oldtimer factoring in the state compensation we receive for the 500+ open enrollment students? Are they included in those numbers?

Again, the building is a non issue until the finances are squared away, and I don't see that being anytime soon.

MP

yes, I am factoring in OE$ for Perkins and ALL the schools on that list

fifteenthgreen

Are you providing these numbers or is the Register?

MP

Thu, 08/29/2013 - 12:32pm

"Interesting data when you break it down and sort it out. I know that Perkins is the target of alot of scrutiny, however look a bit closer. Perhaps they are doing the best they can with what they have. Based on Register stats provided, sort by cost per pupil:"

MP

double checked with Cressimano...

The Perkins budget is $22M per year INCLUDING the $3.2M that OE brings in. According to your past posts you think we should stop that too. Where would that leave us? You do not support a levy that we desperately need or the BOE using other sources of funding (OE). Do you want a state minimum school?

fifteenthgreen

The majority of the voters didn't approve the levy for a third time. What is the district's agenda? School? No school? Teachers? Less teachers? Programs? Less programs? Operating money? No operating money? Wait? Don't wait? Now? Later? Maybe? What is it?

True Blue

Do any of you Perkins fans know what the digging is all about in the field behind the stadium? Puckrin, the farmer, was told he wouldn't be able to farm that land next year. Is Gunner and the BOE going ahead with their multi-million dollar campus? Just wondering if anyone can explain these actions.

MP

I think the Ohio EPA said the mounds were a hazzard of some sort and had to be knocked down. Another unfunded mandate.

fifteenthgreen

Have to check it out.

oldpirate

15th your problem is that you keep wanting to go back to a better time. The day of what I will call Heavy industrial,unskilled, good paying jobs are a thing of the past. The shift is toward light industrial, skilled computer savy jobs. Hence the schools desire to graduate students with the skills needed to compete for good paying jobs. This will require some investment by the community. It is useless to pine away about what once was.

fifteenthgreen

I'd say it is our problem, oldpirate. If we can't go back in time to when times were better in Perkins Township, I think the schools will have to remain idle, as well, until something is resolved and progress is made. I don't see any light industrial and skilled computer jobs being created in the township as a result of an adjustment being made by the schools or anyone. Maybe a cash register clerk or a bar code inventory scanner job. It's really no fault of anyone except those oblivious and naive to think this community is ready and able to support such a high priced school district with very limited, higher paid supporters and resources. I think it's impossible unless the very investment you speak of occurs first. I'm with you, though in your thought process.

eriemom

We all knew/know that we were/are preparing our children to leave the area to find jobs.

MP

Again, look at the data... cost per pupil…

Norwalk 8492… new school
Edison 9259
Perkins 9623
Fremont 9747…new school
Clyde 10233…new school
Bellevue 10479…new school
Perkins IF levy passes in November $10,892
Huron 11299… did they buy new land or not? I heard they did
Monroeville 11667
Vermillion 12532…new school
Margareta 12556
Oak Harbor 12599
Port Clinton 12971…new school
Sandusky 14286
Danbury 18116
Ehove 18131…new school

15 says 'It's really no fault of anyone except those oblivious and naive to think this community is ready and able to support such a high priced school district with very limited, higher paid supporters and resources.'

We are NOT presently a high priced school district (see data above), NOR- if the levy were to pass- we STILL would not be a high priced school district (again, see data above). Our high paid supporters are the commercial real estate owners (who pay a staggering 60% of property taxes for the district). Perkins homeowners have it good compared to neighboring communities due to the high commercial/residential ratio.

fifteenthgreen

I didn't say we were a high priced district. They want us to be and the community can't support it in its current state. You've made a great point that we are well below the other districts, thus spending less as things will continue to get worse. I think we are set up to be able to function for years to come without further assistance from the tax payers....based on your data. Will be very helpful come November. Thanks.

Also, not sure where you're getting your information on "new schools" at your listed districts. Maybe a building here and there, but not an entire damn 50 million plus campus!

MP

Again, here is your quote: ‘able to support such a high priced school district.’ Your words, not mine. Perkins is not a high priced district now and will not be even if the November levy passes. The numbers do not lie.
And yes, to your other post, the Perkins budget is $22M per year INCLUDING the $3.2M that OE brings in. According to your past posts you think we should stop that too. Where would that leave us? You do not support a levy that we desperately need or the BOE using other sources of funding (OE). Do you want a state minimum school?

fifteenthgreen

I want a school district that won't spend taxpayer dollars frivolously and don't continuously flip flop on their agenda. You and the district will continue to lose until the right leadership is voted in and the community regains much needed trust and confidence. The facts and "numbers" regarding your data are the same as the facts regarding the districts ODE report card. Just facts!

MP

Were probably the last two on this stream but what the heck-

Frivolous?  We are the the 3rd lowest in the entire area with one increase in 18 years.  I call that frugal. 

Flip flopping agendas?  Seems like a consistent message to me- prepare kids for the 21st century. What has changed?  

Test scores... I'll give it to you that they suck but it's not lack of effort. They are working on it not ignoring it. I want improvement here too. But there is more measurements to successful schools than just test scores. 

fifteenthgreen

Agree! It will all work out. I think it is just going to take some time to sort everything out and again, regaining the trust of all parties involved. It certainly isn't for lack of caring on anyone's part. We all love the Perkins Schools, but there has been a severe decline in many areas and that has to be directed at the top. It may or may not be the right person(s) to blame, but as with any leadership position, the top usually has to change for the people to buy into the message being delivered. We'll see. Going to be an interesting Fall. I just hope people continue to get the facts..and data :) out there for all to digest!!!! We'll all come together in the end...we have to!