Pro-levy supporters probed

Erie County Board of Elections investigates students ushering Ohio Veterans Home residents to polls
Sandusky Register Staff
Aug 22, 2013
Perkins Schools levy supporters recruited Ohio Veterans Home Alzheimer’s patients to vote for their cause, according to allegations raised by Erie County Board of Elections officials.
 
All four board members — two Democrats and two Republicans — based this charge on a letter they received from a local resident who often visits the veterans home.
 
Board member Amy Grubbe verified she saw students ushering veterans to the polls, located at the OVH, but she couldn’t determine if pro-levy supporters persuaded residents to vote “yes.” 
 
The complainant, Bob Weichel, said in a letter to the board that “a Perkins athletic coach accompanied a Perkins Schools girls athletic team to the Ohio Veterans Home to assist veterans in getting to the polling place located in the home.”
 
Weichel raised concerns about district levy supporters and students possibly influencing how some veterans voted.
 
By more than a 4-to-1 margin, individuals voting at the veterans home approved the Perkins Schools levy. This was the largest margin of victory throughout the district’s 16 voting precincts.
 
But consider this: Only 27 veterans submitted a ballot at the Ohio Veterans Home, and more than 4,600 people participated in this election. In May, 30 people cast a vote at the home for a similar school levy, with an almost identical outcome.
 
In the end, voters collectively rejected both the May and August issues aimed to generate new funds for operations through property taxes.
 
To Weichel, however, a small turnout doesn’t discredit large, lingering concerns supposedly occurring on Election Day.
 
“I feel the Perkins students and their coach assisting veterans to the polls corrupts the political process and violates the law since their veiled political activity is taking place well within 100 feet of the polling place and could happen mere feet away form the voting area,” Weichel wrote. “The blatant actions of the levy supporters are disgusting and disrespectful to the veterans who have served our country.”
 
Elections board officials read Weichel’s letter at a public meeting Wednesday morning.
 
The four members came to a consensus: Even though nobody violated any election laws, what allegedly occurred at the Ohio Veterans Home could be considered immoral and unethical.
Board members referenced students and other levy supports ushering, escorting and even pushing wheelchairs from a designated unit to the polling location.
 
“You have one side that has access to private residents who might be vulnerable,” board member Chris Marinko said. “You have a person suffering from Alzheimer’s and someone else on the other side persuading and driving that voter to do something.”
 
Said board member Kevin Zeiher: “I want to see the residents given every opportunity to vote. But it’s not a good thing that these people don’t know what’s going on or maybe don’t want to vote for or against the issue.”
 
Jason Bennett, chair of the newly formed Perkins Schools levy committee, said any accusations about recruiting Alzheimer’s patients are ill-founded.
 
A group of 15 or so volunteers, including students and community members, did escort Ohio Veterans Home residents to the polls, but only if a volunteer coordinator from the home designated them as interested voters, Bennett said. The group took the veterans to the hallway in front of the polling place and didn’t go inside.
 
“We were given a map with the locked Alzheimer’s areas marked off and they told us ‘those are areas you can’t go into,’” Bennett said. “I didn’t participate in, see or hear anyone trying to coerce any residents to vote for or against the levy or even to go vote.”
 
Bennett, a long-time Ohio Veterans Home volunteer who works at a Toledo-area nursing home, said some patients the group assisted may have had health conditions. The home’s employees could not provide volunteers with medical information, however, because of privacy concerns.
 
“I’ve never been criticized for volunteering before,” Bennett said. “It’s sad. It seems with this election, there is a certain segment of the population that thinks everything is underhanded and sneaky.”
 
Perkins Schools officials are proposing a 10-year, 6.73-mill levy for the November ballot — identical to the issue voters rejected earlier this month.
 
“The Ohio Veterans Home will be telling us what their policy us,” elections board director Jen Ferback said. “We will do whatever the home wants us to do for the November election and any other election.”
 
Among the possibilities that could occur, according to Ferback: Veterans home administrators could prohibit anyone who doesn’t live in the facility, or who is not a family member, from attending the polling location on Election Day.
 
Pick up the Register this week for more stories on Perkins Schools, including fundraising and private donors offsetting pay-to-play costs.

Comments

milemarkerzero

If I recall correctly, the same thing was done in masses when our current President was first elected.

arnmcrmn

Exactly true, but the liberals will jump all over this in 3....2...1.....

deertracker

So that's how he won.?? You guys may want to take notes for 2016!

My thoughts

So, which poster on here is Mr. Weichel--VOTENO or Perkins2060 or someone else?

Hurley

Fun fact- 31 residents of Perkins Twp Precinct #5 were at the polls, but only 27 votes were counted. Only one item on the ballot, only two choices (For or Against) - OVH our own little Florida... http://www.voterfind.com/public/...

Sandusksquach

Vote NO on military pensions and healthcare! Think of every soldier as a small business competing in the free market of war. It's not for the tax payer to keep unsuccesful small business from going out of business is it?

Nemesis

I'll be glad to vote for that, 10 minutes after the last draftee dies and you pass a Consitutional amendment banning conscription and making enlistment contracts into employment-at-will compacts. Small businesses can choose to close up shop whenever they want, or even to never open in the first place.

Lil DAB

FROM THE ARTICLE--“I’ve never been criticized for volunteering before,” Bennett said. “It’s sad. It seems with this election, there is a certain segment of the population that thinks everything is underhanded and sneaky.”

VOLUNTEERING WITH AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE, MR. BENNETT, IS NOT ADMIRABLE. YOU, SIR AND YOU'RE CO-CONSPIRATORS WERE THE ONES BEING "UNDERHANDED AND SNEAKY" TO PUT IT IN YOUR OWN WORDS!

SHAMEFUL.

The New World Czar

At a minimum, this is a conflict of interest here.

queenjhb

@ Lil Dab- Bennett thinks he's being criticized for volunteering only? Its sad , he doesn't see , that this was immoral and frankly disrespectful to OVH residents. RESPECT THE VETS

My thoughts

The article said he was a long-time volunteer at the OVH. He probably had the foresight to anticipate the day when Perkins pro-levy supporters would need to rustle up votes from the Vets so infiltrated the OVH volunteer list and waited to strike. Turn off your caps, no need to shout.

Bherrle

Lil/My thoughts/Queen,

And the proof that an ulterior motive existed is what? Because you say so?

I happen to know Jason. You are wrong, he would not, and did not, organize the help to sway votes.

Shameful is making public accusations, and dragging someone's name thru the mud, for political or personal gain. Particularly when someone was volunteering their time.

And now Let the attacks on me begin....

VOTENO

Attack you? Nobody cares about you.

Gardenman

This is the kind of news that will sink any hope of passing a levy in November. The levy campaign committee needs to come clean and give ALL the particulars of what happen. If they don't it's ALL over in November for them and even before they get started. This will cost them not only votes but volunteers working on the campaign who think that less than honorable actions are acceptable practice by the campaign leadership.

BooBeeDo

Jason Bennett, chair of the newly formed Perkins Schools levy committee, said any accusations about recruiting Alzheimer’s patients are ill-founded... We all would appreciate some candor Mr. Bennett.
I personally called the Erie County Board of Elections on election day. I was told that "yes,there was an issue at the polls and it has been resolved." I asked if it involved any Alzheimer patients at OVH and she replied, "if a voter cannot tell us their name, they are not allowed to vote." That answer alone spoke volumes.
As I said before, these vets should be treated with honor, respect and dignity. They shouldn't be used as yes votes through suggestion, coercion or smiling athletic girls.
Shame on you!

Julie R.

The Erie County Board of Elections: "If a voter cannot tell us their name, they are not allowed to vote."

What a ridiculous and ignorant assumption. Lots of people diagnosed to be in the advanced or even end stages of Alzheimers still know their names.

Webster

The fact that they didn't know their own names is enough to disqualify them regardless of their illness, maybe they were disinherited by Lorain County lawyers, now I sound like you, sarcasm..

Julie R.

My mother's attorneys (the Pisanos) weren't lawyers from Lorain County. They were from Huron, Ohio.

princedenny

Pulling out all the stops, eh Perkins? Everything they have done to pass this levy is just one dumb decision after another. Thanks for the entertainment!!!

Darkhorse

I think the for the school to do the escorting of the voters to the polls is a conflict of interest. The schools should have kept their hands off giving rides to the nursing home people. The home should use absentee ballots to make sure the vets are not taken advantage of.

Julie R.

FROM THE ARTICLE-- Elections board officials read Wechel's letter at a public meeting Wednesday morning. The four members came to a consensus: Even though nobody violated any election laws, what allegedly occured at the Ohio Veterans Home could be considered immoral and unethical.

I think they forgot to mention it was also illegal.

Nemesis

Most intelligent people would read "Even though nobody violated any election laws" as indicating the board found it WASN'T illegal.

Julie R.

Most intelligent people would know that unethical and immoral acts ARE illegal.

fifteenthgreen

Just immoral and unethical. But that's ok, Nemesis. Just our countries heroes.

Yellow Snow

It's wonderful to register new 18 year olds to vote. Unfortunately they'll play a sympathy and biased option to these kids, just as they have the wonderful Veterans.

VOTENO

Disgusting! Vote NO in NOvember! Vote all new board members in except for Bennett!

BradChuros

Accusations. That's all I'm seeing here. No concrete evidence. A bunch of disgruntled people, using hatred for a BOE and super is one thing, but accusing children? According to the article, votes were identical from the May election. Anyone ever want to talk about school funding being cut by the state? Or how the lottery and casinos were supposed to give money for schools. The biggest problem is in the state house.

fifteenthgreen

The girls varsity basketball team showing more integrity by not wanting to be there is concrete evidence enough. I applaud them!

John Harville

Ahem. There is no such thing as a living Alzheimer's victim. Alzheimers Disease only can be determined in autopsy.

"If they can't tell us their name...." So stroke victims who have lost their voices but have all other faculties can't vote? All a voter has to do is show an ID and sign the poll book - by mark if necessary.

How many voters were transported to the polls by opponents of the levy? How many TOTAL RESIDENTS from the OVH voted on election day? How many voted absentee?

Did the volunteers go into the voting booth with the veterans?

How does anyone know how the Veterans voted?

Anyone can find any reason if they fabricate enough.

Anyone can innocently influence - like the president of an area schoolboard (not Perkiins) standing in his windbreaker with the school's name in 8-inch high letters.

But don't let facts confuse you.

ISPSP

You failed to cite anything other than the first sentence ....

"How is Alzheimer’s Disease Diagnosed?
There is no one clinical test that can determine whether a person has Alzheimer’s disease. Usually several tests are performed to rule out any other cause of dementia. The only definitive method of diagnosis is examination of brain tissue obtained from a biopsy or autopsy. However, if the current accepted criteria established by the NINCDS-ADRDA Work Group (National Institute of Neurological and Communicative Disorders and the Alzheimer’s Disease and Related Disorders Association) is used, diagnosis before death is considered about 90% accurate. A comprehensive diagnostic evaluation would include:"

http://www.alz.org/texascapital/...

John Harville

Now I'll disappear again into the confines of Overmyer County.

Erie Countian

Perkins students should NOT have been taking the veterans to vote. Even if they didn't break any rules, it simply looks shady and is more fodder for the "conspiracy theorists" in our community. I see nothing wrong with students visiting or volunteering at OVH at any OTHER time, but NOT on the day of a school levy vote! OVH employees are capable of escorting veterans to the polls. Also, I just read the latest school "report cards" that were released today by the state. Congrats to Huron, Edison and Margaretta, who all came out on top above Perkins. Only Sandusky did worse! I think it's time to re-focus on what's really important at Perkins, and that is educating our kids and getting better results in what matters! Obviously Gunner and the Board are so focused on open enrollment, getting new buildings, a new stadium, laptops and other ideas that have not made any improvement in the district's educational standing. We seem to be going downhill a little more each year. Can anyone from the Board or Administration explain why we are getting worse instead of better under Gunner's tenure?

underthebridge

I read the results too and they are very troubling. The big and costly educational experiment orchestrated by Gunner is being revealed as inadequate at best.

gramafun

I, too, read that report. While it was not wise for these kids and their "leaders" to assist these veterans to the polls that day, it isn't that big a deal. What is a big deal is where the kids placed in that report. You have bigger fish to fry at Perkins. Gunner and company better start focusing on student education and less on bells and whistles for your schools. Without an outstanding education behind them, a nice school building and a nice stadium means nothing. Better start worrying about your teachers and their abilities to get their points across than what type of atmosphere the building provides.

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P-CORN : )

Bherrle

I have the utmost respect for our veterans, who no one should ever take advantage of. My father was a Marine in Vietnam, machine gunner on a Huey, which was shot down in combat. He survived, but the emotional scars (plus some loss of hearing) exist to this day.

The standard of proof, or should I say the lack thereof, that exists in this community amazes me. So many people, so eager to accuse, with very little to no actual proof. I have nothing against Mr. Weichel personally, don't know him. He is entitled to his opinion, whether I agree with it or not. However, his letter offered proof of nothing, merely conjecture and hearsay.

Someone above asked for "candor" from Jason Bennett. Candor for what? When all the groups were doing at the home was to assist the vets who wanted to vote, who were identified by OVH officials, get to the poll location at the OVH - what else is there to say???

So the Board of Elections decides to investigate based on a letter with no proof. Well Board of Elections, you better also start investigating the person who decided to open election day with the rule that no Perkins apparel whatsoever was allowed by voters. This was a clear violation of voters rights.

Your going to "investigate" students based on conjecture and hearsay? Then you better investigate your own staff of adults, based on the fact voters rights were violated.

fifteenthgreen

Bherrle, the facts were given to the Board of Elections and the proper authorities. This isn't based solely on one letter. You've been a part of this discussion before and saw a few of the facts presented. Now is not the time to pretend that you didn't know! You yourself, said it wasn't right and the kids probably shouldn't have been there.

Bherrle

15th,

I never said it wasn't right. I said that in hindsight, the kids probably shouldn't have there, because it is too easy for someone to say something shady was going on. Too many people in this community like to accuse first, ala "ready, shoot, aim!"

fifteenthgreen

Agree. Not worth being put under the microscope using students. It is worth doing so those folks are given an opportunity to vote. Hopefully we have all learned something from this.

Gardenman

I agree with your comments on veterans. So many have given their lives or been injured in such a manner they will never be completely healed for the rest of their lives. Those of us who are living with all our limbs and without mental issues are indebted to those who have fought to give us the freedoms we enjoy everyday. You father's service is appreciated and honored.

lifetimeresident

I'm hopeing your a NO voter. If not please quit babbleing because your turning us yes voters to NO. If that is what you want continue.

fifteenthgreen

Did Perkins students and coaches volunteer these same services to our Vets at the last Presidential election? No!

CAST THE FIRST STONE

Pathetic says it all

Bherrle

I agree Cast. Investigating students is pathetic.

fifteenthgreen

Investigating desperate parents and coaches trying to persuade our youth into doing something that even the kids felt was wrong and without merit is an appropriate response.

CAST THE FIRST STONE

not investigating students..they dont even understand what the complete story of passing a levy. They listen to people like you that give the simple answer of its for the kids. Not for the kids . it is all for you adults and you use them. 1/2 of them will someday know they made a mistake

VOTENO

NO in NOvember!

underthebridge

Bherrie - So the bi-partisan Board of Elections is in on it too and even they unfairly are against Perkins?

Bherrle

No, that is not the point I am trying to make. Have to go for now, will respond more later.

VOTENO

Bherrle... nevermind. It will get deleted.

Bherrle

What Vote No - Is the opposition side the only side that is allowed to make accusations and point out wrong doing?

fifteenthgreen

Many of the varsity girls basketball team and parents have spoken.

Bherrle

Then they should 15th, why haven't they already?? What is it that they are stating?

If something wrong was done, then it needs to be flushed out.

fifteenthgreen

It is! Those girls did not want to be there and stated as such.

Bherrle

Bridge,

I am questioning their judgement. They choose to launch an investigation based on one letter that offered proof of nothing. If that is the case, then there should already be an investigation opened on the apparel issue. No letter needed. Someone (or more than one person) who works for them made that decision. Investigate that and tell us who it was, and why did they make that decision? That was a clear violation of voters rights.

I'm not suggesting that board as a whole is against Perkins, but I do feel that it is trying to cover it's rear-end right now by trying to show it is doing something. Political party becomes much less relevant in terms of partisanship when dealing with local issues, however.

Perhaps they are trying to distract from the other issue, I don't know.

underthebridge

I think the article is not very clear. The Board of Elections members do distinctly comment that nothing illegal happened, but the conduct could be considered immoral or unethical. Is an official investigation commencing? Or since nothing illegal is alleged to have occurred is this the end of it.

I actually give Mr. Welchel a lot of credit. He is concerned about something that is clearly important to him on a personal and political level. He is well within his rights to pen the letter expressing his concerns. Once the Board of Elections receives the letter, it seems to me there is an obligation to either dismiss its allegations completely or conduct an investigation.

My concern is not that the escorting happened, but that these residents (who fought to protect our rights to vote) are vulnerable both socially and cognitively.

I'm a pretty independently thinking person. If someone standing in line next to me had their Pirate gear on, it would not have influenced my vote, but the law is very specific about apparel and candidates at polling glaces.

lovingmysoccerm...

Wow! You NO voters sure know how to spend a LOT of time on a blog! I am thankful for a job and family that does not allow me that much time! What occupation allows this? Just wondering! Time to get off the computer and back to what is important! Raising amazing kids in an amazing school district!
VOTE YES!!!!!

VOTENO

It's great to be retired. VOTE NO IN NOVEMBER!

lovingmysoccerm...

oops! you caught me before i logged off! You should try volunteering to keep you busy! meals on wheels, Big Brothers Big Sisters, Humane Society!

goodtime1212

Well lovingmysoccerm, I worked 50 hours this week mowed the grass cooked dinner and still am voting NO.

VOTENO

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fifteenthgreen

Puke!

Yellow Snow

Kiss the ground if you have the same income you had a few years ago. Many of us don't. Our income was cut in half 4 years ago. We've been generous all our life, now that we don't have the income you think we're against you. The "good" jobs are forever gone. If you're still fortunate, by all means write a check for a a charitable donation to your school. If you don't, you're hypocritical.

CAST THE FIRST STONE

i work way more than you. i earn my money no handouts

PyrkinsPyrate

If I had heard a local businessman boasting that he donated a few boxes of candy bars to give to the veterans if they "Voted Correctly" I would never do business with him again, no matter how far I would have to drive to get his line of products elsewhere.

VOTENO

Who is it? I'm already done with the pizza place and the haunted house place.

queenjhb

@ loving my soccer m... You took time to read these comments on here , now your lumping [vote no] folks into one group you obviously look now your nose at. tsk-tsk- tsk now inhale deeply, smell that? That's your nose stuck up your entitled [ I don't care , just give more money to gunner and BOE, so what if folks cant afford it , its all about me, me, me & what I want] bum. Donate your money to the schools, but, stay out of my pocket. Have some free ice cream, duh.

VOTENO

No, she can't afford pay to play and wants us to pay it for her.

lovingmysoccerm...

wow Queenie! I sense some frustration! all I asked is it must be nice to have that much time to spend on the computer all day! that is it! no reason to talk about noses stuck up entitled bums! You hurt my feelings! Oops! gotta go! the timer just went off for my dinner! PS we are having ice cream for desert that I bought! imagine that:)

queenjhb

@ loving- Still taking time to read comments, I see, now I get it , only you are allowed to comment on here with soooo much time on your hands now, everyone else shouldn't, Ice Cream ,you could of donated that money you spent to the schools. Tsk- tsk Oops , gotta go!

VOTENO

You don't need the ice cream. Trust me.

Tribester

This is the biggest non story of all time (so of course it merits front page news in the Register!) The Board of Elections gets a hearsay complaint full of supposition and innuendo from ONE person, and this becomes a full on investigation. It says in the article NO LAWS were violated! If you don't like it, CHANGE Ohio voting law, but don't punish students for helping a FEW veterans vote. You would think the vote total at OVH was 500-0 Yes or something the way people are carrying on about this. This is merely just one more excuse for vote no people to drone on about voting no! As far as state rankings go, maybe Edison, Huron, Margaretta are doing better because they don't have the lowest millage rate in the county! Money isn't the answer to everything, but it certainly helps! VOTE YES IN NOVEMBER!!!

My thoughts

Have Perkins students historically helped the OVH Vets vote (not just in a school levy election)? I seem to recall them doing it before but have nothinh to base my recollection on.

Bherrle

I have been told that yes they have, but I can't offer direct proof regarding when it was. Students have also helped out with non-election events also.

fifteenthgreen

Tribester, the varsity girls basketball team flat out didn't want to be there. They stated as such. They were told we need the votes. The kids did not feel right. Many of these vets thought the kids were there to sing and thought they were voting for a President. This was wrong and it was reported accordingly. If you think this action is based on one letter, you are sadly mistaken!

Bherrle

15th,

The below text in quotes is copied from the above article. They are the reporters words, not mine.

"All four board members — two Democrats and two Republicans — based this charge on a letter they received from a local resident who often visits the veterans home."

I'll point out the DonutShopGuy, 2 weeks ago, stated that there was no story here.

fifteenthgreen

Just a simple little story that true American heroes were being taken advantage of for a handful of yes votes. You wouldn't have been there if you didn't think it would have been advantageous to the schools.

Bherrle

15th,

I wasn't there. I'll be interested to see what comes from the investigation.

fifteenthgreen

Hopefully, more time will be spent engaging in the lives of these heroes for who they are and not what we can get from them. That would be enough.

Webster

One more reason to just vote NO.

ohioengineer

Escorting voters to the polls has been occurring in American politics since 1776. Republicans and Democrats both do it – this is what is called “getting out the vote.” If it is your side that is “getting out the vote” it is considered astute politics; if it is the other side it is underhanded and immoral.

fifteenthgreen

ohioengineer -

I have no problem with the community providing such a service to our veterans. Just be consistent with all elections and not selective based on individual needs and priorities.

Wald

Whoa! Just saw all the F's on the Perkins district report card. At least they have a new football stadium, though!

44870 South

Yeah...what happened? They got 3 F's and a D, among the scored criteria. Even Sandusky had one A, some B's and only 2 F's...Not that the two districts are remotely comparable. If I had to choose, I'd be sending my kid to Sandusky at this point. The "A grade" might not be there, but they offer a whole lot more and are at least showing improvement. I'm very skeptical as to the direction Perkins is going. What a shame.

VOTENO

Thanks Gunner! You are doing a fine job!

citizen

And all of this because Gunner demands he gets his new buildings...

So, so sad what Gunner has done to our community.

fifteenthgreen

“I’ve never been criticized for volunteering before,” Bennett said. “It’s sad. It seems with this election, there is a certain segment of the population that thinks everything is underhanded and sneaky.”

Who does this Bennett think he is fooling? If it wasn't for a Perkins Levy being on the ballot, he wouldn't have even been there. Did you go "volunteer" these same services to the vets during the presidential election?

VOTENO

Fire Gunner and Board resign and lets move forward!

VOTENO

And no Bennett!

Julie R.

Way to teach the young people at Perkins about ethics and morals.

Good 2 B Me

Hmmm. Wonder where all of the Pro-Levy people are now. This is underhanded and really disgusting! Gunner and the BOE need to go!

Lil DAB

✰Bherrle says the letter offered proof of nothing, merely conjecture and hearsay. Yet the article states "Board member Amy Grubbe verified she saw students ushering veterans to the polls," and Board members "referenced students and other levy supports ushering, escorting and even pushing wheelchairs from a designated unit to the polling location." And says, "A group of 15 or so volunteers, including students and community members, did escort Ohio Veterans Home residents to the polls..."
So where, Bherrle is there LACK of proof? A complaint with any system starts with a phone call, letter, or a report. Kudos to Mr. Weichel for having the courage, to bring to the forefront, the "immoral and unethical" behavior of these adults. And shame on them for setting poor examples for these students!✰

Bherrle

Lil,

No one is disputing what you state above that help was provided. Does offering help = automatic guilt? I'm looking for proof of wrongdoing, specifically as it relates to what the article states the investigation is about, that being that Pro-levy supporters recruited Alzheimer patients.

Like I've previously stated, I have no problem with Mr. Weichel, it is his right to send the letter he sent.

Edwin Ison

Does it pass the "sniff test"?

underthebridge

No, offering help does not equal automatic guilt. Nor does offering help equal automatic altruism. IF an investigation is commencing that very thing will be determined hopefully based on questions to those volunteers, OVH staff, and OVH residents.

Bherrle

Bridge,

My point is to all those making accusations (and yes, even to Mr. Weichel), stop doing it in public unless you have proof. A lot of people are making accusations and statements based on what they think they know, or how something looks to them. That's not proof. and in some cases, it gets dangerously close to being liable/slander.

If the BOE wants to investigate, that's their choice, but I don't agree with it, and yes, it makes me question even more their impartiality.

Lil DAB

Sounded to me that you were accusing Mr. Weichel of "carelessly" submitting a letter of questionable accusations when you said this in an earlier post:
Bherrle Thu, 08/22/2013 - 4:18pm
...The standard of proof, or should I say the lack thereof, that exists in this community amazes me. So many people, so eager to accuse, with very little to no actual proof. I have nothing against Mr. Weichel personally, don't know him. He is entitled to his opinion, whether I agree with it or not. However, his letter offered proof of nothing, merely conjecture and hearsay...So the Board of Elections decides to investigate based on a letter with no proof....Your going to "investigate" students based on conjecture and hearsay? .....

Also, I doubt the STUDENTS were being "investigated." Just the ensuing actions of the unethical adults and what they "pressured" the students into doing. From some later comments here regarding students being uncomfortable, maybe a hostile "work" environment should be investigated as well. "One made to feel uncomfortable by social pressure...."

Bherrle

I'm accusing the BOE of being careless. I would not have written the letter Bob wrote unless I had direct proof of wrongdoing, but it is his right to do what he did. The fact that the BOE is investigating makes me question them.

Standard of proof - alot of people on this blog are screaming "guilty", because of how it looks to them, or what they think they know.

The statement under the headline of the article states "...investigates students..."

Now - if students were pressured, that is wrong. I have no knowledge that they were. I've seen statements by others on here about the girls basketball team.

The allegation stated is that Alzheimer patients were recruited for votes.

Edwin Ison

The continuing rationalizing of the immoral behavior of the adults who coerced the children to "volunteer", shows just how deeply ingrained is the Gunner man crush.

Sickening.

This whole story shows just how far and how low the Gunnerites will go.

Keep hanging on to that sinking ship!

I really feel for the kids, know many of them and their families and they are embarrassed.

Luckily I recently closed on my property in Perkins school tax district and moved my Mom closer to me.

I feel for my friends and their children who must deal with this lack of effective leadership.

Why did Gunner move day to day expense money BEFORE securing replacement funds FIRST? This action alone should be reason enough to show Gunner the door, and all his flunkies too!

Bherrle

Edwin,

If you are referring to me, let me be clear. I am not rationalizing anything. If children were "coerced" to volunteer, then that is and was wrong.

44870 South

And the "children" thought to go to the Veterans Home all on their own???? Really? I would say for sure that they were "told/coerced". Those poor men deserve better than to be thought of only when their VOTE is wanted. Terrible.

Bherrle

Isn't it possible they were asked to go? You would make that statement based on what proof?

If they were coerced or forced, then that is wrong.

Edwin Ison

Bherlle,

You made that correlation, not me.

Bherrle

??????

VOTENO

Gunner needs to GO! Vote NO!

fifteenthgreen

Bryan, OH

VOTENO

Where did Gunner ever work prior to coming here and ruining our district?

fredinperkins

Bryan Public Schools, Bryan, Ohio, Williams County

goodtime1212

Fifteenthgrade, I have personally seen the blue prints for the new school. If the levy had passed they would have broke ground already, everything is in place, just waiting to get the money replaced in the operating fund. You know, that 5.2 million they moved to the capital improvement fund, and know say they are broke.

gramafun

15 TH Please look at the auditors report and what the auditor said what they said about moving money around and what they said about the BOE "living within their means" for the next five years. They were not to do anything more. So why are they now asking for more money?

Equity

Gramafun,
What auditor's report? I've checked the Auditor of State's website and I don't see that at all.

fifteenthgreen

Unbelievable on the new test scores, Perkins. Gunner was right. The district is being dismantled.....in the classroom! Seriously people. How long are you going to put up with this? What is going on?

Tribester

Test scores = lowest millage in the county...7 mils below state average. You get what you pay (or in this case don't pay) for! Vote YES in November

fifteenthgreen

Last I checked the teachers and the administration are getting paid, and paid well. The public is simply getting duped! You would support these scores, tribester and find them acceptable. Voting Yes is not going to change test scores. Totally revamping the system and infrastructure will.

Nemesis

No it won't. Actually, there is very little that the schools can do about test scores. Test scores are determined by the students, by a combination of their raw talent and the culture taught in their homes.

fifteenthgreen

So what you're saying is that the culture in Perkins is inferior to that of Huron, Edison, Margaretta, Port Clinton, Vermilion, Norwalk, Oak Harbor and our raw talent with a large majority of our students is to blame. So now the poor test scores are the parents fault and the students fault?

Nemesis

Absolutely! Schools don't fail; students do. High achieving kids will have high achievement regardless of per pupil spending, and low achieving kids will have low achievement. If the parents have done their job, the kid will want to learn, and will learn. All that's really being compared between districts is the percentage of kids whose parents raised them to want to learn versus the ones who let the XBox raise their kids.

Wald

But aren't the students' laptops that we are paying for supposed to be such a great advantage for them? Maybe the scores are falling because of open enrollment kids flooding the district.

VOTENO

BINGO! We have a winner!

SamAdams

The best thing AND the worst thing about kids is that they're credulous. If an adult in authority tells them something, they believe it. That's why we see the letters in the paper from little kids begging the grown-up voters to support levies, and I'll bet it's ALSO why we see members of the girls' basketball team making sure OVH residents get to the polls (and probably to vote "properly" while they're there).

When it comes to issues like this, kids are especially easy. They don't pay the bills, and they have NO CLUE what it's LIKE to pay the bills! If there's food on the table at home, all is well. They don't consider how many hours Mom and/or Dad had to work to buy those groceries, and honestly, they shouldn't HAVE to! But it's also how they can be so easily fooled into thinking the taxpayer pocket is bottomless. Add to that the fact that kids don't have enough life experience to become especially jaded or cynical about anything, and you've got a level of acceptance that's both admirable and dangerous.

Winston Churchill once said if you're not a liberal when you're young, we worry about your heart; if you're not a conservative when you grow up, we worry about your head. EXACTLY!

As for the Perkins Schools grades, well, I'm giving the powers that be an "F" in civics! Not only are they failing to teach the RIGHT ethics, they're apparently actively teaching the WRONG ones!

P.S. I know this wasn't a lot of votes in total, and that it wouldn't have changed the election outcome. But that Cincinnati woman's seven votes in the last presidential election wouldn't have changed the outcome, either, and it was still a crime (as it should be)!

fifteenthgreen

Well said, SamAdams. I'm sure tribester will disagree, though.

MrGadfly

What will the rallying cry be for the next attempt for a levy? "Our football field is better than yours" or "Our projected new school will be better than yours".

It sure can't be anything with academics with the latest state report card. How about "Were no.6 in academics in the SBC."

Those in charge of the school system have put a football field and a building over academics.

A November passing of the levy doesn't look to good with the same administration in charge. "Were no. 6". What a rallying cry.

VOTENO

Thank you Jim Gunner! Great job!

Nemesis

The most damning point of all this against the levy is what it says about the general intelligence of a core levy supporter. Apparently, this levy is supported by the type of person who thinks 31 votes out of over 4000 are worth the obvious risk of just such an investigation, along with the numerous other ethical/legal pitfalls. It's like Nixon's people bugging the Watergate just to get the electoral votes from Wyoming.

EZOB

Tribester,
Maybe you should re-think your post. My interpretation of your post is that by voting (YES) the students will automatically get a better education or higher grades which is equivalant to Test Scores.
I thought that teachers "Are" under contract to produce the maximum results. I have found that people who don't produce don't necessarily produce more by raising their wages unless it's piece work. This is more than likely why our system is failing, employing teachers that don't produce results.

Bherrle

EZOB,

Would still like to meet with u regarding state funding. I apologize that we have not gotten together yet. Please let me know your availability.

EZOB

Several of us meet at the Better Half Restaurant every Tuesday morning at 10:30. You are more than welcome.

Tribester

Wald might be on to something with the scores being related to taking hundreds of open enrollment kids from Sandusky (it's no secret that socioeconomic factors play a BIG role in academic performance after all)
However, open enrollment pays the bills the community refuses to pay with repeated no votes on levies, so once again you reap what you sow.

fifteenthgreen

Look at their scores prior to open enrollment, tribester, then come back with your line of crap! They were still terrible! This has been going on way too long.

Motherof2

This whole thing is a disgrace ! What just gripes me the most is that people who are registered voters, but who RENT and don't own their home, which means that THEY AREN'T AFFECTED BY THE LEVY PASSING, are allowed to vote on this ! It would be like your neighbors who rent, going with you and picking out your new car and you paying for it, whether you like the car or even wanted it !

fifteenthgreen

They're effected when the owner of their home, the landlord, raises their rent. Or they just don't believe or trust in the direction of the district and its leadership.

VOTENO

NOvember!

queenjhb

Rah-Rah- Stand them on their heads, stand them on their feet, Test score, test scores , who cares, just look at our Stadium, quite a feat, more ,more ,more levy money needed, have more free ice-cream. Vote no .

EZOB

Motherof2,
I own my home but have rental property in Sandusky. I can assure you that landlords will only accept a certain amount of tax, insurance, or levy increases before they raise the rent. Every landlord should raise their rent at the same time to cover the added expense. Wasn't this tried in Sandusky?

Nemesis

Most of the less upscale renters will never make the connection - if they understood financial cause and effect better, they wouldn't be less upscale.

Edwin Ison

Pro-levy supporters probed!

Okay, I love that headline :)

Good 2 B Me

By that title, I kind of expected a totally different 'probing' to have taken place!

lovingmysoccerm...

woohoo! another productive day of "Vote No" blogging!!! You missed a beautiful day outside!

PTBarnumWouldBeProud

I thought that this was a rather interesting read.

http://www.plunderbund.com/2013/...

EZOB

Bherrle,
I'm at the Better Half Restaurant on Tuesday mornings from around 10:30 till about noon. You won't have any trouble finding me. Just ask the Waitress, TONI.

Bherrle

I won't be able to meet then due to work, but I do want to work out a time we can meet

8ballinthesidepocket

I hope the all had photo IDs!!

Julie R.

If Perkins wants to teach their young people how to be unethical and immoral, maybe they should take them to the Erie County courthouse. The courts on the 2nd floor could teach them just about everything they want to know and then some!