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Sandusky High School graduate attending Ashland University To be a faction a group must be actua
Sandusky Register Staff
May 13, 2010

Sandusky High School graduate attending Ashland University

To be a faction a group must be actuated by an impulse that is contrary "to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community"

James Madison, Federalist 10

This column is in direct response to a comment about my last column.

The topic was about the Tea Party movement being a faction of the kind James Madison warned about in Federalist 10 of the Federalist Papers.

First we have to remember the context which this was written. Madison was arguing for the creation of a centralized government, over a small, more direct, democracy. Obviously history shows us that Madison and the Federalist Party won this debate, and the creation of the government as we know it was the result. Federalist 10 tells us that factions in a democracy are much more dangerous than in a republic, because they have more power to impose their will on the minority.

Now we have to address the issue of whether the Tea Party movement is even a faction to begin with.

As Madison said, a faction has to work against the rights of other citizens. From what I can tell, this is not the Tea Party movement at all. They are making a call for government to return to what they believe are constitutional principles: More representation from elected officials, a smaller more principled government, better management of tax money. These principles seem far from contrary "to the rights of other citizens."

So, if what the Tea Party movement stands for is perfectly acceptable, and if America governed by a republican form of government, then it is laughable to consider the Tea Party as a dangerous faction able to impose its will on the minority. What seems even more interesting is how much resistance there is to this movement from the Democratic Party. It seems to me that what the Tea Party has been preaching is applicable to both parties.

Both parties need to take a look at their heritage and realize that these messages are not so crazy after all. With a government that is spending an unprecedented amount, maybe a message asking for fiscal responsibility is not so bad. With elected officials making decisions on how much money they can get for voting for a bill, maybe a message asking for elected officials to listen to their constituents more is not so bad. With the government looking to control more and more of our lives in ways that have previously been used by Marxist societies, maybe a message asking for a limited principled government is not so bad.

Years ago, people had a vision of a nation where citizens did not have to be concerned with the government interfering with their lives. They fought and died for the liberties we have today. Great men like James Madison fought for the creation of a government where groups could come together in like interest and voice their opinions.

Men like Madison, Hamilton and Washington all believed a republic would allow for groups to voice their concerns about government, but not allow for overwhelming strength in numbers.

Whether you agree with what the Tea Party movement says or not, does not matter. The fact is our Founders set up our government so that they might voice their opinions. The next time you hear about this movement on the news, or read about it in the paper, just be thankful our government was created the way it was, and be thankful that we have the rights we do.

Comments

Man of the Republic

I think it is important to realize that in the teaparty movement there is a general sense that Americans have been forgotten by politicians. Republicans, as well as Democrats, have lost there way. From what I have seen of the Tea Party, though limited, it seems that they are concerned with the direction the country is headed. Yes many come off as being mad, raging, and slightly off their rocker. But I think that a majority of the people that would associate themselves with the movement are productive citizens who are concerned for their country.

The point was made about where were they the last 8 years? Well my question is where were the liberal groups the last 8 years? The point still remains that if people don't like the way the government is run then they have a right to voice their concerns. The majority of problems that the Tea Party seems to be addressing have only gotten worse in the past year. But thats just my point of view.

Duhast

Richard,
Rallying several hundred angry people does not legitimize a movement. You would also have to be pretty daft and blind not to see the overwhelming evidence that Fox news started this monster. It started with a small protest which Fox devoted massive amounts of air time to promote. You have no right to claim media bias when Fox is the worst perpetrator of them all. This fact is not made up. The evidence is plan to see. I am however amused my your attempt to paint the movement as a poor victim of the evil liberal media.

I note your comment:
“I look forward to the support of the tea partiers in November to push true conservative republican candidates. “

That just helps to prove my point. Why didn’t you leave out the word “republican”? The tea party movement is supposed to be non-partisan right? But it’s not. It’s just a place for radical white republicans to pack town halls and cause disturbances.

Here’s one of many sources…
http://mediamatters.org/reports/...

Richard Bebb

Copy and Paste Smith -

"That's why we rallied around Barack Obama, because he's not a Washington insider"

Once again you look like a fool and make no sense. How exactly is he not a Washington insider, he is the same Obama who served in congress right??????

Richard Bebb

duhast -

I am not a "birther", Barry is unfortunately our legal president.

And again you try to demean and delegitimize the tea party movement by saying that the thousands who show up for the rallies are ginned up by Fox News. I welcome and encourage you and your ilk to continue this behavior.

That being said I do support some of the key ideas of the tea party movement, although I consider myself conservative. I agree with limited government and lower taxes, two of the major aspects of the tea party movement. I believe there is a movement in this country, namely the tea parties, that are fed up with the reckless washington spending while they suffer. And yes this was started under Bush but has been tripled under Barry.

I look forward to the support of the tea partiers in November to push true conservative republican candidates. Because I think we can all agree lower taxes and limited government have nothing to do with the democratic party.

Duhast

Alex, you are more than welcome to claim EZOB in your tea party. Maybe you can offer crumpets.

BTW, tea parties protested taxation without representation, not taxation WITH representation. You should have been more original. Maybe the pork belly party or the Waste Watchers party, or the Gun toting raving lunatic party. Whatever floats your boat.

EZOB

Where have we been the past 8 years? Who's my illustrious leader? I'm my own leader. 8 years? This guy spent more in 8 months than Bush did in 8 years. The last years of Bush, we had a Democratic House and Senate. This is what I was waiting, wanting, and voting for. Man was I wrong, They always say, careful what you wish for, you just might get it. I don't need any of the News channels to interpret O'Bama's many promises. If a lot of you attended the Public school system, please opt for the Home School Programs. Your educations just don't hack-it. Were any of you in any of these Politician's math classes? Many can readily operate spell-check but on common sense issues, as usual, this area is far below National Levels. If you are still drinking the coolaide, try the sweeteners. They're sweeter and not as fattening, I'm told.

I'm male and don't understand contractions either but my wife says they're very painful. I,m always confused' when do you put the commas on top and when do they go on the bottom. It,s very important because many people are having a hard time reading posts when they are not used properly. My home schooling started soon after I was born. A couple things I learned early in life, try to avoid correcting a person when not necessary and respect other peoples opinions when they are diffwerent than yours. I DO RESPECT YOUR OPINIONS! That's our rights. Consider that most of us are not correct 100% of the time. When I've been around people who believe they are totally correct, than I'm going to act the same way.

brutus smith

If these so called Tea Partiers would have joined us when these things they are angry about were actually happening, the 8 years of GWB, maybe things would be different. That's why we rallied around Barack Obama, because he's not a Washington insider. He's trying to change the way things work, but to think all of our troubles began Jan. 20th, 2009 is ludicrous.

Duhast

EZOB, Who is this illustrious leader you’ve found?

Duhast

Richard,
On this particular blog, you’ve been relatively mild. But on past posts you’ve sounded a little off your rocker. Aren’t you’re a birther too? But let’s use EZOB’s post below as a case in point. EZOB is apparently only interested in being angry now. He/She may also note that we didn’t like the constitution and officially changed it (amended) 27 times! And nobody had to die.
Now, you cite media bias. I find this amusing because you support a movement created in a large part by the media biased Fox news. And to cite poor little MSNBC which you claim has no ratings and no power is also laughable. Please stop confusing news with entertainment on a news channel.
I understand what Brutus is saying. Why did this tea party magically spring up after Obama was elected? Bush and congress had much worse spending habits. Parts of the patriot act are being challenged on their constitutionality today in the supreme court. Where were you then?
Alex cites these altruistic views that the tea party is supposed to hold, but I find it pretty coincidental that they show up now. They were promoted and trumped up by Fox news. There are not as much a party as an anti Obama angry mob. Maybe they’ve grown, who knows?
So, which tea party do you support?? The “Tea party Patriots”, “Tea Party Express”, “Tea Party Nation”, or other numerous groups that have sprung up?

EZOB

Brutus,
Where was I???? I was waiting for Somebody with some B%lls to stand up and shout or lead. I was waiting for Somebody who I thoght could lead. I guess I was wrong in not giving myself enough credit but now I am involved. I am an "Oath Keeper" and a 3 percenter. I took my oath in 1969 and I'll die with it, need be. Heck, I've already lived 40 years longer than I expected. For those of you who don't know what a 3 percenter is, I'll explain. It represents the percentage of the Colonist who joined Washington to fight the British during the American Revolution. Just sit back and be one of the 97%. I guess there is nothing wrong with this, Washinton and Columbus are full of them but don't tell me what to believe. If you don't like our constitution maybe you could find a country that has one you would like to support. This one here "United States' Constitution" will only be changed over my dead body.

Richard Bebb

Duhast -

"In his attempt to defend the tea party movement, he stereotypes it."

I was pointing out the lefts attempt to discredit the movement not sure how I stereotyped it.

It was Nancy Pelosi who called the tea partiers Nazi's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9...

It was the left wing mainstream media who calls tea party participants racist

1. Jeanene Garofalo on MSNBC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M...

2. Keith Olber-loser on MSNBC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q...

3. And my personal favorite the creative editing of MSNBC who label the black man with a gun a "gun toting racist"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1...

So duhast how exactly am I the one who is stereotyping the tea party movement ??????

wetsu

I'll confess to being exposed to a live Tea Party only once gathering by accident. It took place in Lima and I happened to be downtown on a lark to try a recommended local sub shop. It didn't seem filled with radicals to me. I found a portion of it on YouTube so judge for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W...

Tom Ahl is a Lima and Findlay area car dealer.

If we judge the Tea Party by what media outlets decide to show us we can often get a slanted view. I can see why TV wants the radicals, it makes for livelier TV. House that don't burn down are usually not news.

Duhast

I’ll respond since I believe this article was a direct response to my comment about Factions…

It’s not the message of your faction as much as the presentation. The tea parties do a good enough job painting themselves as crazies, the democrats don’t need to do it for them. As for scared, Oh yea! When a bunch of maniacs show up to a rally with guns and pictures of the president with a Hitler moustache, then it’s pretty scary. Now, if all of the tea partiers were as articulate as Alex, then there wouldn’t be a problem would there? But as it stands, they can’t even agree amongst themselves as to what they stand for other than simply being angry.

Take Richard Bebb for example. While It amuses me to debate with him, I can take him about as serious as a Loony Toons cartoon character. In his attempt to defend the tea party movement, he stereotypes it. The only thing the tea party movement is doing is picking off the more radical wing of the Republican Party thus reducing their power further.

stormy

Wow, three consecutive posts before anyone else weighed in. This kid sure gets under Bluto's skin. I don't agree with everything the kid writes, but at least he HAS opinions. A lot of people his age are totally self-absorbed, and politically apathetic.

If nothing else, young Alex does a good job of counterbalancing ol' Rufus. He writes in plain English too.

wetsu

Liberals are trying to discredit the Tea Party movement and/or minimize their efforts because they are scared to death of them. Conversely, if the Tea Party does not ramp up their pressure on the GOP they will have failed their mission and the overall good of the country.

It still astounds me that the filter on this site allows for the use of an overtly sexual reference when some refer to this movement.

Richard Bebb

C'mon now Copy and Paste Smith, you better cite your sources....hahaha we all knew you were not that clever.....

http://progressivenation.us/2009...

The tea party movement is a real political force regardless of the fact that the left continues to label them as nazi's, brownshirts, and racists every chance they get. Its the old dem mantra, if you cant defeat the idea/movement on principal then you try to discredit and demean it. Quite pathetic really.

P.S. Its hard to label waterboarding as torture when terrorists are NOT recognized by the Geneva convention, but hey who needs facts when its more politically expedient to tell lies.

goofus

Good Luck Alex, the democratic party is full of nitwits like Brutus.

meigster

Alex, study hard at college! You will need it.

brutus smith

WE HAD EIGHT YEARS OF BUSH & CHENEY... NOW YOU GET MAD?

You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and
appointed a President.

You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate
energy policy.

You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.

You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat
to us.

You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion (and counting) on said
illegal war.

You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.

You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.

You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.

You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You didn't get mad when we let a major US city drown.

You didn't get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich.

You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.

You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America
deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars,
lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich
richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans...
OH, H@LL NO!

brutus smith

A question about the Tea Party people: Where were they?

When George W. Bush was magically transforming Clinton's surplus into a record-breaking deficit, where were they?

When D@ck Cheney was taking 200+ years of legal precedent and waterboarding it to fit his twisted vision of "liberty" {ugh!), where were they?

When John Ashcroft was shredding the Constitution, where were they?

When, for eight years, on every aspect of fiscal, economic, social, legal, foreign, defense, and intelligence policy they were being lied to by their own government, where were they???

It's virtually impossible to avoid the unfortunate conclusion that their suddenly-discovered outrage has little to do with taxes or "tyranny" (ugh!), but a whole lot to do with the color of Barack Obama's skin.

brutus smith

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