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Sandusky Register Staff
May 13, 2010

Sandusky High School graduate attending Ashland University

To be a faction a group must be actuated by an impulse that is contrary "to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community"

James Madison, Federalist 10

This column is in direct response to a comment about my last column.

The topic was about the Tea Party movement being a faction of the kind James Madison warned about in Federalist 10 of the Federalist Papers.

First we have to remember the context which this was written. Madison was arguing for the creation of a centralized government, over a small, more direct, democracy. Obviously history shows us that Madison and the Federalist Party won this debate, and the creation of the government as we know it was the result. Federalist 10 tells us that factions in a democracy are much more dangerous than in a republic, because they have more power to impose their will on the minority.

Now we have to address the issue of whether the Tea Party movement is even a faction to begin with.

As Madison said, a faction has to work against the rights of other citizens. From what I can tell, this is not the Tea Party movement at all. They are making a call for government to return to what they believe are constitutional principles: More representation from elected officials, a smaller more principled government, better management of tax money. These principles seem far from contrary "to the rights of other citizens."

So, if what the Tea Party movement stands for is perfectly acceptable, and if America governed by a republican form of government, then it is laughable to consider the Tea Party as a dangerous faction able to impose its will on the minority. What seems even more interesting is how much resistance there is to this movement from the Democratic Party. It seems to me that what the Tea Party has been preaching is applicable to both parties.

Both parties need to take a look at their heritage and realize that these messages are not so crazy after all. With a government that is spending an unprecedented amount, maybe a message asking for fiscal responsibility is not so bad. With elected officials making decisions on how much money they can get for voting for a bill, maybe a message asking for elected officials to listen to their constituents more is not so bad. With the government looking to control more and more of our lives in ways that have previously been used by Marxist societies, maybe a message asking for a limited principled government is not so bad.

Years ago, people had a vision of a nation where citizens did not have to be concerned with the government interfering with their lives. They fought and died for the liberties we have today. Great men like James Madison fought for the creation of a government where groups could come together in like interest and voice their opinions.

Men like Madison, Hamilton and Washington all believed a republic would allow for groups to voice their concerns about government, but not allow for overwhelming strength in numbers.

Whether you agree with what the Tea Party movement says or not, does not matter. The fact is our Founders set up our government so that they might voice their opinions. The next time you hear about this movement on the news, or read about it in the paper, just be thankful our government was created the way it was, and be thankful that we have the rights we do.

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nein_und_nochma...

you must be kidding... a coffee party? what has this nation come to? next thing will be the pepsi and coke party... no and again no!

wetsu

Since when? Since you constantly deride the efforts of the Tea Party with your latent sexual fantasies, at least in your description of them.

Also, nothing wrong with participation. You have again misinterpreted and misrepresented my position with exaggeration and innuendo. Which page of the talking points are those from?

The problem is that is the two movements are but a miniature version of the abomination that is DC. More politics as usual from the new New Dealers. I hope they at least have the decency to better launder the money they front to the Coffee Party.

brutus smith

Afraid of the tea party movement?? Huh??? Anyways since when is wanting more people to participate in the process partisan? A whole lot of people have become disenfranchised with the tea party movement because they have seen who's behind it. They are welcome to join.

wetsu

Not true, brutus. If people are opposed to the Tea Party, as you are, it would seem that another fiercely partisan group would also meet with disdain. Like the D's and R's, the only thing they are opposed to is opposition. However, it does serve to show how scared the D's are of the Tea Party movement, a point I made that many of you libs inaccurately criticized. Let the admissions and apologies flow like a river.

brutus smith

Heaven forbid wetzu an organization that encourages people to participate in our Democracy. The less the better according to people like you.

wetsu

Unfortunately, the Coffee Party is little more than a Democratic front group that simply wants (D) legislation rubber-stamped, and it is not even thinly veiled. It is true that the present Tea Party trends too closely to the R's, but the Coffee Party appears to be on the D's payroll.

Factitious

" Tired of the Tea Party? Try the Coffee Party:

MISSION: The Coffee Party Movement gives voice to Americans who want to see cooperation in government. We recognize that the federal government is not the enemy of the people, but the expression of our collective will, and that we must participate in the democratic process in order to address the challenges that we face as Americans. As voters and grassroots volunteers, we will support leaders who work toward positive solutions, and hold accountable those who obstruct them.

Washington Post story: http://tinyurl.com/y9hdxzj

Coffee Party website: http://coffeepartyusa.com/ "

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Factitious

" Tired of Tea Party goofiness? Try the Coffee Party:

MISSION: The Coffee Party Movement gives voice to Americans who want to see cooperation in government. We recognize that the federal government is not the enemy of the people, but the expression of our collective will, and that we must participate in the democratic process in order to address the challenges that we face as Americans. As voters and grassroots volunteers, we will support leaders who work toward positive solutions, and hold accountable those who obstruct them.

Washington Post story: http://tinyurl.com/y9hdxzj

Coffee Party website: http://coffeepartyusa.com/ "

nein_und_nochma...

tea parties... sad, two-party state result. someday you'll figure it all out. want tea? go back to england! i'll stick to coffee.

Duhast

Gryphyn
The two parties that have been in power for a long time have changed federal laws to make it exceedingly difficult for a third party to compete. Funny that… So, unless you are a crazy billionaire, like Ross Perot, fat chance. Look at the libertarian poster boy Ron Paul. He switched to the republican party just so he could get included in debates. Then fox kicked him out debates because his polling numbers “weren’t high enough”. I’d like to see a third party, or better yet, no parties. But there’s about as much chance of that happening as Ron Paul getting elected president.

Anonymous

Of course we need a third party. The saying that there are two sides to every coin is not correct. There are three, if one stops to think about it, both sides and the edge. Life is not two dimensional and if we can select a Miss America from 50 candidates, we should have at least THREE choices for a president, one of which should be a woman.

T-B

In my opinion, more and more people are going to start reaching out to a third party. Somewhere along the line the gears are going to start turning, and people are going to realize that the Democrats and Republicans are are failing us miserably. Like BobWilliams said, "They're simply two sides of the same tired coin".

And it will only be a matter of time until the Libertarians publicly call out the Republican party on their calculated Tea Party takeover. Who knows, maybe the Tea Party movement will be divided in two, weeding out the desperate bandwagon riding neocons, from the non-partisan constitutionalists.

libertarian

BobWilliams wrote: "Perhaps we should ask 'how are we to stop our slide down the slippery slope of neo-Roman corporatism'?"

The only way is to fully embrace individualism and fully reject the bloody and irrational religion of collectivism. Libertarianism is the only political philosophy that does this.

BobWilliams

To gryphyn,

Perhaps we should ask 'how are we to stop our slide down the slippery slope of neo-Roman corporatism'?

pntbutterandjelly hit the nail on the head - Mexico is not one of the states in the union; Mexico ignores Uncle Sam's minimum wage laws, OHSHA,EPA and a government soup of other regulations; but Ohio can't! Therein lies the problem.

Then there is the exportation of jobs to communist countries like Red China. Ohio loans China our tax dollars to build copycats of our factoriies! There's a copycat of the Sandusky Delphi plant (now owned by KBI) in Shanghai! Not only do we export our jobs out-of-country, we tax victims of Ohio fund it. That's abominable!

The way forward is to stop voting the same Republicans and Democrats who, once in office, do little more than copy each other. They're simply two sides of the same tired coin.

We need to repeal the Ohio legislation that allows foreigners to take out loans from our tax dollars that were originally set aside for Ohio businesses.

That is something a Libertarian State Representative can do, such as Judy Kayden for House District 80 or yours truly - Bob Williams for House District 58.

At the federal level, I cannot recommend the LPO candidates because these folks are new to Libertarianism and carry too much neocon baggage.

That said, Matesz and Leach for Governor/Lt Gov gets the thumbs up.

Anonymous

I stand corrected. I should have said that unless we learn from the mistakes of our past, we will not move forward. The question that I still have is 'how are we prepared to move forward and what will be our goal?'

pntbutterandjelly

FLASH! "Whirpool is going to move their operations out of Evansville, Ind. plant to Mexico on March 21st. This comes after receiving $19,000,000 in federal stimulas money as their "fair share". (It smells like "moving money" to me.) Can Clyde's plant be far behind? Are ya' p-oed yet? Are ya' scared yet? You ought to be because nothing and no one is sacred from this Right Wing conspiracy to gut America for $$$ to corporations (and it really has NOTHING to do with Unions...only more money for the already too well to do.)
Ps. Had anyone heard this news before? It should be on S.R. front page and on other news medias.

BobWilliams

To gryphon,

You wrote "Looking back hasn't done anything", but it has - looking back in the late 1700's brought a neo-Roman republic to America.

In 1776, the year that Thomas Jefferson penned his Declaration of Independence, a man in London penned his first volume of "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire". His name was Edward Gibbons and that volume and succeeding volumes of his Roman history captured the imaginations of the grammar-schooled Americans who read it (grammar schools taught Greek and Roman, so they had a natural affinity for most things Roman, writing under Roman pen names like Brutus and Cato).

This lot of Romanphiles read Gibblons's histories and began to lament and criticize the Articles. They said to each other (to paraphrase) - "We could've made a government that lasted a thousand years like those Romans did! But instead we have this confederation that Jefferson said we'll need a rebellion every twenty years to keep it oiled." So they decided to make a Roman government, and did!

The Constitution without the ten amendments appended to it is pure Roman. Looking back over 15 centuries did that, and that's what looking back has done.

BobWilliams

To Duhast,

Most budding historians sit in their undergraduate history classes memorizing material for their next test, leaving little time to examine popular claims retold by professors who learned much of their material in the same manner. One such popular claim is that our young nation's national law - the Articles of Confederation, "were a weak and temporary measure to get us by during the revolution and to some extent after. It needed to be replaced and was".

But is this urban legend true? We need to go back to that day in 1787 in Philadelphia when voters had authorized their representatives to make amendments to our national law, not to overthrow it. There were more foul smells that week than those coming from the adjoining stables. A history lesson about the concessions that were made in drafting the constitution would go far to explain what is happening today.

The Federalist Papers, including Madison's #10, were simply propaganda written to appear as being pro-federalist when in reality they were promoting an anti-federalist Roman-type government. True federalists, such as George Mason (George Mason University in Fairfax, VA is named after him, but it isn't private!), pointed out that the Articles were working fine. But the Romanphile propagandists had already confused people by labelling true federalists as "Anti-Federalists" and usurping the term "Federalists" for themselves to serve as camouflage for their anti-federalist Romanphile intentions.

Meanwhile Thomas Jefferson was overseas and unable to put a stop to the Romanphile disinformation campaign here at home. The result is a Roman-type republic, that has now descended into global empire like the Romans before them. We Yanks own very little anymore, having to rent what we call ours from the government or else face losing it. Our neo-Roman military fights neo-Roman wars around the globe, often in support of CIA-installed dictators such as ex-Soviet drug lord Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan and Mr "Ten Percent" in Pakistan.

Under the Articles, a declaration for war had to be unanimous among the States. The Articles were a vast improvement over the neo-Roman Constitution we have today. The only thing good about the Constitution is the Bill of Rights - 10 remnants from the Articles that our Founding Fathers managed to append to the neo-Roman document.

The history of 1787 is the biggest reason why I'm a member of the Libertarian Party and not a member of the Constitution Party (but if they were to change their name to the Articles Party, hmmmm . . . ).

Anonymous

Suppose for a minute that all of you posters have been elected to run this country. Please come up with a plan that will be better than what we have now.

Looking back hasn't done anything and I sincerely believe that we have to have a new plan if this country is going to stay great.

My only suggestion is to stop thinking in terms of I and start thinking 'we the people'.

Thank you in advance.

goofus

There is no defense for a person or a cause that is right.

brutus smith

goofus, I understand your wanting to defend Rubio, but Bunning????? The dude has been an off the wall whack job for quite some time. That would be like me defending Byrd's Klan membership in the 60's.

One thing I have to say about Republicans is when 2 of them want the same office, let the mudslinging begin. Kinda like Noe in Lucas County.

goofus

Jim Bunning is a hero. A few days ago the democrats endorsed a pay as you go policy. It only took a few days when now they have introduced a bill to enlarge the deficit by extending unemployment benefits. In this bill is an increased funding for highway projects,a plan to spare doctors the 21% cut in Medicare payments,increases funding for the small business loans programs,they need consumers not loans, expands funding for the Flood Insurance and copyright licenses used by satellite television providers along with unemployment extension. The problem is that unemployment insurance extension can be paid for with Obama's stimulus,porkulus,bill's leftover money without increasing the deficit. I suppose with the midterms coming, the democratic party needs the stimulus bill money to buy votes.

goofus

Rubio: Crist leaked AmEX statements; charges legit
Posted 2/25/2010 12:05 AM ET E-mail | Save | Print

By Brendan Farrington, AP Political Writer
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — Senate candidate and former Florida House Speaker Marco Rubio released a torrid letter Wednesday accusing Gov. Charlie Crist's campaign of leaking Rubio's state Republican Party American Express statements showing nearly $110,000 in charges over 25 months.
Rubio also justifies the charges as legitimate travel to promote the Republican Party of Florida, help Republican candidates and participate in county party fundraisers around the state.

"It is clear these internal documents were taken from the RPOF by former Chairman Jim Greer, or someone working for him, and were leaked to the media by the Crist Campaign," Rubio wrote to newly elected Chairman John Thrasher.

Greer resigned from the party under pressure after reports of lavish spending on jet planes and extravagant meals and entertaining. Greer's executive director, Delmar Johnson, was given a secret contract that pumped his compensation up to $408,000.

"As a point of reference, during this time period, the charges on my card amounted to approximately 3 percent of the Party's total American Express expenditures. In fact, I had fewer expenses in two years than my opponent's hand-picked RPOF Executive Director spent in just one month," Rubio wrote.

The Miami Herald and the St. Petersburg Times, which obtained the records, listed several personal items found on the statements, including grocery bills and a purchase from a wine store near his Miami home. Rubio said he personally paid American Express $16,052.50 for nonparty expenses.

"To the greatest extent possible, I made sure the Party never paid for any personal charges," Rubio told Thrasher.

Sharon Day, the state party's national committeewoman, defended Rubio and said she was angry someone would try to use the credit card statements against him.

"I'm not upset with Marco Rubio at all," she said. "If you can raise $12 million on $110,000, we all should be that good."

Day said Greer told her and other party leaders in a private meeting that if he went down, he would take others down with him. Greer didn't immediately return a call seeking comment.

"It's very convenient that the only one that gets released (is Rubio's)," she said. "This is silly. They want to talk about $110,000 in 25 months when Delmar spent $130,000 in one month."

Reached at home, Thrasher, who replaced Greer last Saturday, said he had no idea who had access to the statements.

"It's unfortunate they were leaked. They're internal documents of the party," Thrasher said. "We're taking steps to make sure it doesn't happen again."

Rubio pointed out only top party officials had access to the statements and noted Greer was picked by Crist to run the party. Crist, who says he never carried a party charge card, has previously said the statements should be released.

"These actions are an appalling act of political desperation. The idea that the former chairman of the RPOF, or those working for the Governor, would selectively leak internal RPOF documents is disturbing. But sadly it is not surprising because these are the very men who put the party in the mess it is in today," Rubio said. "The Florida GOP under Jeb Bush was never run with this sort of arrogance, mismanagement, lack of integrity and lack of leadership."

The Crist campaign didn't immediately return a phone call and e-mails seeking comment.

Rubio said 89 percent of his expenses were for travel, lodging, and meals related to official party work.

"During this time I crisscrossed the state countless times for Lincoln/Reagan dinners, GOP fundraisers, and other party business. In all, more than half of my expenses were transportation costs: 40 percent for commercial airline travel and 14 percent for car rentals, tolls, parking and fuel," Rubio said.

Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Brutus, be very careful about believing Crist and left wing websites, they prevaricate when they are going down the tubes. I'm not in this debate to lose. Your post like all of your posts are mere puffery. I imagine heads will roll when Greer and Crist are investigated fully.

pigeon farmer

Tea bagger = bawlsonchin. What a stupid name. Grab your bible, join at the gazebo, and pray to sarah palin.

libertarian

brutus smith wrote: "libertarian, so people who don't buy into your half baked BS is a collectivist thug????"

Collectivism a half baked irrational religion that holds that groups are moral actors and agents with rights above and beyond the natural rights of their individual members.

A collectivist thug is a person who uses collectivism as a excuse to use or hire someone to use coercion, force or violence to violate any other person's natural rights-you qualify. Many people aren't collectivist or collectivist thugs-you are.
Shame on you. If you don't want to be called a collectivist thug, don't be one. All moral people should shame and ostracize collectivist/government thugs.

If my ideas are so half baked or BS, instead of writing pathetic train noises, why don't use demonstrate any errors you think I'm making? If I'm wrong I'll gladly concede.

brutus smith

Hey goofa$$, what do you think of your boyfriend Rubio now??

Gov. Charlie Crist said his rival for the U.S. Senate, Marco Rubio, has no one to blame but himself for double-billing the state and Republican Party of Florida for eight plane tickets when he was House Speaker. Rubio has accused Crist of leaking his party credit card records to The Miami Herald and St. Petersburg Times.

"If he wants to find out who to blame for this, he should look in the mirror. He is the one who made these charges, not me, not any of my friends,'' Crist said at a road construction event in Broward County. "I mean, you know, when you do something like that you ought to just take personal responsibility."

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"The people will decide this issue,'' Crist said. "I think it’s pretty clear that they don’t like that kind of double dipping. It’s just like taxpayers money. You ought to treat those funds in a (very) sacred way...Like I said yesterday, welcome to the NFL. If you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen."

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Wonder how the Tea Partiers fancy their young star now, just learning that they and their economically strapped brethren in Florida have been supporting Rubio's personal lifestyle on their dime.

Somehow, I don't think all of them will swallow it whole.

wetsu

"Wing-nuts, Wing-nuts,
Bush-Bush-Bush"

"Neo-cons only live
to bite our tush"

Join the movement, jump on the crazy train!
woo woo, chugga chugga, woo woo!

brutus smith

Yes the tea partyers are being used by the Republican Party to fight against the "establishment" much like the Republicans used the anti war protesters of the 60's and 70's to divide the country. They always have to attack someone to try to make them look better. But remember the Republican party is the Establishment, who ways you are protesting against. So why after 8 years would you want more of it? They will use any means necessary to get back in power, even if it means destroying the middle class in the process. Let me say Senator Jim Bunning.

goofus

Tea Party Going International: First British Tea Party Set for Saturday
—Ace
Seems a bit odd that the Brits would have a tea party -- the big one was something of a blow to the empire -- but...

Last night Allah linked one of the most obnoxiously condescending stories on the tea party (American division) I've ever had the misfortune to read.

The LA Times commissions a deeply snide and insulting sociological look at the Tea Partiers, reducing them, as is their wont, to little but crude and callow impulses. And who did they seek for this "analysis"? Democratic Party consultants, of course!

Note that the leftist media never bothers to wonder about what psychological inadequacies might drive all those smelly hippies and black-masked trust-fund anarchists they unfailingly refer to as "veterans, shopowners, mothers, and grandmothers, just plain folks expressing their discontent with war/capitalism/America."

Neither "average Americans," as they like to portray themselves, nor trailer-park "Deliverance" throwbacks, as their lefty detractors would have us believe, tea partyers are more highly educated and wealthier than the rest of America. Nearly 75% are college educated, and two-thirds earn more than $50,000.
More likely to be white and male than the general population, tea partyers also skew toward middle age or older. That's the tell. Most came of age in the 1960s, an era distinguished by widespread disrespect for government. In their wonder years, they learned that politics was about protesting the Establishment and shouting down the Man. No wonder they're doing that now.

Look closely at the tea partyer and what you see is a famil- iar American genus: a solidly middle-class, college-educated boomer, endowed by his creator with possessions, opinions and certain inalienable rights, the most important of which is the right to make sure you hear what he has to say.

The tea party is a harbinger of midlife crisis, not political crisis. For men of a certain age, it offers a counterculture experience familiar from adolescence -- underground radio, esoteric tracts, consciousness-raising teach-ins and rallies replete with extroverted behavior to shock the squares -- all paid for with ample cash.

The partyers are essentially replaying the '60s protest paradigm. (We're aging boomers ourselves, so we know it when we see it.) They fancy themselves the vanguard of a revolution, when in fact they are typical self-absorbed, privileged children used to having their way -- now -- and uninhibited about complaining loudly when they don't. It's the same demographic Spiro Agnew called "an effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals."

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The tea partyers' pictures and sound bites are so good, no one cares that their math doesn't add up: Cut taxes and the deficit but keep your hands off my Medicare; do something about jobs but don't increase spending. Everyone understands it's about something deeper.

Ah, tea partyer, we know ye well. One of your signs says "Listen to ME!" That's all that's ever really mattered -- the original "me generation" grabbing the spotlight and the world's attention by whatever means necessary. The rest, whether beads, bell bottoms or birther slogans, is just a means to the same end.

Again, we never saw this sort of crude disparagement of motive directed by the media at Obama's Zombies or any of the leftwing protests.

FROM: Ace of Spades HQ.com

goofus

CNN Poll: Majority says government a threat to citizens' rights
Posted: February 26th, 2010 09:00 AM ET

From CNN Deputy Political Director Paul Steinhauser

Fifty-six percent of Americans say the government poses an immediate threat to individual rights and freedoms.
Washington (CNN) – A majority of Americans think the federal government poses a threat to rights of Americans, according to a new national poll.

Fifty-six percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Friday say they think the federal government's become so large and powerful that it poses an immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens. Forty-four percent of those polled disagree.

The survey indicates a partisan divide on the question: only 37 percent of Democrats, 63 percent of Independents and nearly 7 in 10 Republicans say the federal government poses a threat to the rights of Americans.

According to CNN poll numbers released Sunday, Americans overwhelmingly think that the U.S. government is broken - though the public overwhelmingly holds out hope that what's broken can be fixed.

The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted February 12-15, with 1,023 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus 3 percentage points for the overall survey.

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