Pit bulls could be muzzled in Huron

An increase in complaints about pit bulls is pushing Huron officials to consider new laws that would restrict the animals and their owners when they're in public.
Heather Chapin-Fowler
Aug 13, 2010

 

An increase in complaints about pit bulls is pushing Huron officials to consider new laws that would restrict the animals and their owners when they’re in public.

In the past few weeks, Huron police have responded to a few complaints about pit bulls running loose, said Laura Alkire, Huron’s assistant law director.

Police Chief John Majoy said he supports any new city ordinances that place restrictions on ownership of pit bulls.

“I think proactive is much, much better than reactive on this matter,” Majoy said.

Read all about the proposed restrictions — which include muzzling the animals and obtaining insurance to keep them — in Saturday's Register.

Comments

eriemom

 I have a Jack Russel that can take any Pit Bull.

Katelih-Trailer...

 Ha Ha  , I once saved a Jack Russell terrier from a Pit Bull terrier ! Maybe it was yours. The almost attack happened on Tyler Street. 

Julie R.

 So what neighborhoods are they in?

eriemom

 Not mine, put it is the nature of the breed. The vet told me that I would save her life many times while she lived. The vet was right. The dog doesn't seem to know that she weighs 20 pounds. Thank GOD she does only weigh 20 pounds. If she weighed more I would have to keep a muzzle on her. Likely put her in a straight jacket too.

hilltop

It's not the breed, it's the training. Quit profiling dogs because you don't understand their behaviors.

More people perished in 2009 from from sports-related injuries (600) than dog attacks(33.) We don't hear the Chief screaming about how high school sports should be outlawed. 

Any dog can be vicious (I've been bitten by more small dogs than large dogs), so it's all in how they are raised.

I own four dogs now and have had as many as nine in the house at once, large and small. No fights, no snarling, no problem. It's all how they're raised and who they undderstand as being dominant.

"Dogs running loose" doesn't constitute vicious dog attacks.Chief Majoy, in his quest for a Police State, just wants to control any freedom he can. Huron already has a law against dogs running loose. Stick with the laws you have before making new laws to enforce.

 

 

 

mikel

number one claim payout for insurance companies = dogbites

MINE

I agree with HILLTOP....ANY dog can be taught to be vicious.   I feel bad for pit bulls because it seems to be the "in thing" for certain people to own a pit bulls and TEACH them to be vicious.   There needs ro be a some kind of law against those types of people.  

dorothy gale

eriemom, I have a Jack Russell mix and he sure is a feisty little thing!  He, too, does not know that he weighs only 15 pounds; he behaves like he thinks he's a Rottweiler.  I have to be in control, otherwise his dog-aggressive tendencies could get him killed!  That said, I love pit bulls, bull terriers, and bull-boxer mixes.  I have had the pleasure of knowing some wonderful pit bulls as well as wonderful owners.  As a breed, they are very loyal, goofy, lovable dogs and I DO agree that it is all in how they are trained and treated.  NO dog should be running loose; it's a safety issue, for the dogs as well as the general public.  And to hilltop: some of the most vicious dogs I've ever encountered have been tiny --- poodles, chihuahuas, terriers and cocker spaniels. 

MINE

MIKEL...alot of people look for payouts in any way they can.  I once knew a very nice, well behaved dog that did nothing but bark to protect his family...especially the kids of the family.   One day someone got too close to the kids...i guess....he just wanted to make sure they were safe....nipped....yes, I said nipped the person...didn't even break the skin and this person made such a big STINK that the family had to get rid of the dog.   Sad....don't know if he was destroyed but if he was IT WAS UNCALLED FOR...the dog was such a good dog....just because of a cry baby....THE SKIN WAS NOT EVEN BROKEN!     Looking for a quick buck at the expense of the poor dog I guess.   Whaaaa.

streak

I agree that any dog can be raised to be violent, however, pit bulls are at a different level when they bit compared to other dogs and they have a killer instinct that seperates them from most dogs. I think pit bulls are nothing but bad news all the way around.

hussein membrane

 Which types of dogs should other municipalities ban?

For example:

Perkins Township: mutts for being mixed breeds.

 

Katelih-Trailer...

I had a Pit that  we decided to have  "put down". Its was a very sad time for me, but I know we made the right decision. " Gauge" had a couple issues when we got him. The scar on his head proved it ! Gauge became my dog or should I say, I became his person. The problem with that was, he really only liked me. He didnt like other adults and the neighborhood kids were getting on his nerves with their bikes and skateboards . He would actually try to escape to get to them. Needlessly to say , he was euthanized. I think about him often, but I have good memories of him, not the memory of an aftermath attack he caused.  RIP GAUGE 

Katelih-Trailer...

 Oh yeah, By the way, I will never have another Pit bull. No matter what sad story they come with. Not worth the headache.

RPBO

There are some ignorant comments here. First of all, pit bull type dogs do not have any more of a " killer instinct" than any other dog.
Hilltop made some excellent points. Pay attention to those. Do some research before you go vilifying a type a dog. All dogs have the potential to bite or be vicious. It is truly how they are raised, socialized, and trained. Irresponsible owners are the ones to blame. They are the ones giving the breed the bad name. And speaking of irresponsible, the writer of this article chose that photo just to sensationalize. Heather, shame on you. Why not put that small little photo you have as your main photo? Come on now. Your not helping.

here in ohio

pit bulls  can turn on there own owners for NO REASON !!! and if you own a home go try to get insurance.hahahaha you will get turned down or you will have to pay BIG TIME !!!!

Katelih-Trailer...

 here in ohio, My insurance co. has a list of dogs they wont insure on a homeowners policy. The problem with that is, I know of several rare breeds that can be VERY aggressive that are NOT on the list , because they are not common in the states. Presa Canario and Ovtcharka are a couple breeds I would hate to see aggressive. Also, Giant Schnauzers are very strong , mentally and physically, could be dangerous in the wrong hands ! I guess, any dog with teeth can bite, its just how long will it take for you to get the dog off you or a loved one. You are not just going to be able to kick a pit bull off you real quick. It will take everything you have to get it off of you and maybe a pry bar if its locked on.  Not worth the risk.

here in ohio

them dogs are bad new

Salvatore

Remember Petey from the Little Rascals? Petey was a Pit Bull.

yea right

it is not the breed but the training...i think if we all called the FBI maybe they will investigate HURON.including Majoy

yea right

and to the Register for puting a BAD pic of a very lovable dog...shame on you

myownopinion

Ok, so again on with the "terible pit bulls". Not ALL pits are bad dogs. I found that out when my daughter ran up on one that flopped to his side so she could give him attention. Yes I know, neither of us knew his temperment and I am thankful he was trained and raised so well. But yet I have been attacked by a mini poodle, a mini pintcher, so it's not always the breed. So why not do this instead, if an owner of a "bad dog(any breed) that bites, growls, chaises or anything that constitutes they have bad temperment and it is proved be punished. Jail, massive fines, owner obedience school. ANYTHING I'm sure then after "owners" are punished mayb then they will curve the way they raise and train thier dogs. I myself own a rott. she is a wonderful loving dog. She does bark at ppl she doesn't know, but through her training she knows her rules. She is a very obedient dog.

Katelih-Trailer...

My own opinion ,,, Yes, I am glad that the dog, in this case , a pit, was still a puppy. I am assuming it was a puppy ,since most adult dogs wont expose their bellies and underside of their necks to a stranger. Your daughter was very fortunate !  My problem isnt with dogs, its with most people who breed them. I remember when pit bulls used to cost several hundred dollars. Usually if you pay that kind of money, chances are, your intentions are good about having the dog. Now you can get one for little to nothing WITH papers ! Most people with Pit bulls only like the novelty of having one. Their dog is dominating them, and they dont even know it. Walking in front of them, entering and exiting doors BEFORE them, dogs paw is resting on their owners feet, the list goes on and on. Luckily the dog thinks their superior and the owners dont know any better, so it just remains that way, until the owner needs to discipline their dog for something.  Oh yeah, can you believe some people think that a dog humping a leg is not a problem?  

myownopinion

No, the pitt that my daughter encountered was not a puppy, he was a full grown adult pitt bull. But as I said, he was raised and trained the right way. He knew she was a child and that he could get all the attention he could from her while being outside on his "log chain" he was a great dog,and evrey day after that she would go out and play with him, myself and his owners would watch the way he interacted with her and all the other children in the neighborhood. It was him that changed how I felt about pitt bulls. So not all are the same.  Your absolutely right about how a dog acts towards it's owner and they not know it.

rainbow414

Almost, and I say almost, any dog breed can  be lovingly trained in 'good manners'  reaction to other humans or  dogs, etc.  I  think that  most   dogs  are  territorial and will give a good scare  to anyone who  comes on 'their  property'.   There are some good dog  training books on the market,   A  good dog, usually has a good owner. 

big_d

Okay, as the owner of a AmStaff, I'm gonna weigh in on this, If you don't have time to watch after, raise and socialize a small child, DO NOT get a pit bull, as they require about as much of those as a child does, they are a very social dog, and do not do well when isolated, chained up, etc. They become neurotic very quickly. They have a high prey drive (chasing) which needs to be addressed (LOTS of exercise) And discipline (training). If you can provide this, you will have a good dog. And BTW, unless you are very serious about improving the breed, and know what you are doing, get them fixed, as all you are doing is destroying the breed. For more info google Diane Jessup's site www.workingpitbull.com.

Katelih-Trailer...

 Nicely put, big_d !!!!!

Captain Gutz

Cats rule, dogs drool.

me0219

Id just kike to thank whoever decided to publish this picture with this story. Im not a pit bull owner however I have a Cane Corso Mastiff which has a growing rapp like the pit bull and  he is the biggest love bug you will ever meet. He is a rescue and has turned into the best dog Ive ever owned. When a picture like this one is published that vision of a pit bull is the first thing in everyones minds "AGGRESSION" So what are we doing here trying to make every reader scared to death of this breed or what. Why wasnt the thumbnail picture of a happy tail wagging American Terrior published and not this aggressive pit bull. That picture may have been 1 dog of 5000. Just 2 weeks ago my sons hand was bitten bad by a beagle that we were trying to get away from rt250 so lets make a law muzzle all beagles. Also My dogsgo the the best named vets in the area and Id just like to let everyone know vets are pit bull owners so what does that tell you. So in all do some homework and find out what percentages of dog bites come from pitbulls and how many come from other breads. Thank you whoever chose this picture again it helps so much. 

Kottage Kat

Captain Gutz,

Well said, lol.

eriemom

 I guess I opened a can of worms with my comment, "it's the breed." I was writing about a Jack Russell terror. Over the years we have had Irish Setters, several Great Danes, Scottish Terrier, Beagle, and now this Jack Russell. I can tell you that breeds are called breeds because they have been bred to do certain jobs. Each is distinct and because they are now bred for pets instead of work each breed now has anomalies. There are Irish Setters that don't like to swim but would rather roll on dead fish.

Bottom line: Originally the Pit Bull was bread to protect. More recently they have been bred to fight--you know dog fights. So yes, they are overly aggressive AS A BREED. There will always be anomalies. The sweet pit bull and the shy Jack Russell.

HKS

The bottom line is that dog ownership is a responsibility.  A dog has to be trained and socialized properly--and some breeds take more effort and energy to do this than others.  The pit bulls that are not problems were raised that way and have their mild manners continually rewarded.  Those that are viscious are often because those traits have been encouraged.

Dog ownership should not be taken lightly.  Those of you who didn't take the time and effort to socialize your dogs properly are ruining it for those that do--like the responsible pit bull owners in Huron.

mrhuda

People who make comments about pittbulls do not speak from fact. Look up the dog bite statistics and you will find that the number one on the list is NOT pittbulls. They are just the breed that unfortunately is singled out in the media due to its reputation from fighting! It was said well when big_d made their points! You need to be a responsible owner and treat your dogs as you do your children paying close attention to discipline and training. I own two pittbulls who are the most loving, submissive dogs that would not harm anyone... I really hate it when people write ignorant things that they have no clue about! Irresponsible DOG owners (of any breed) should be BANNED! And people who are not going to own pittbulls to increase the livelihood of the breed should be FINED heavily for even thinking about owning one. Also, I would like to add for the comment about having to put the pittbull to sleep because it has "issues", as a pittbull owner, I can assure you that I would never own one second hand that someone else has already tampered with.... that is just ASKING for trouble! You have to put in twice the work to "fix" a damaged pittbull as you do to raise a well behaved one!

mrhuda

People who make comments about pittbulls do not speak from fact. Look up the dog bite statistics and you will find that the number one on the list is NOT pittbulls. They are just the breed that unfortunately is singled out in the media due to its reputation from fighting! It was said well when big_d made their points! You need to be a responsible owner and treat your dogs as you do your children paying close attention to discipline and training. I own two pittbulls who are the most loving, submissive dogs that would not harm anyone... I really hate it when people write ignorant things that they have no clue about! Irresponsible DOG owners (of any breed) should be BANNED! And people who are not going to own pittbulls to increase the livelihood of the breed should be FINED heavily for even thinking about owning one. Also, I would like to add for the comment about having to put the pittbull to sleep because it has "issues", as a pittbull owner, I can assure you that I would never own one second hand that someone else has already tampered with.... that is just ASKING for trouble! You have to put in twice the work to "fix" a damaged pittbull as you do to raise a well behaved one!

6079 Smith W

As someone who has run on streets for exercise for several decades, I can say that it has not been large dogs that for the most part have chased me attempting to attack me; it's been the little ankle biters.

All dogs big and small need to be properly socialized. I carry Mace just in case they are not.

To single out one breed for special legislation is lunacy.

big_d

Interesting that Sandusky is more progressive on this matter than Huron, having considered a "pitbull" ordinance and instead correctly opted for a "vicious dog" ordinance, which put the responsibility squarely where it belongs, on the dog's owner. As far as naming all dogs which resemble pits as pits, here's a fun little test: "Guess the Pit bull" "http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/...

big_d
big_d

Use the hyperlink in the post below, the one in the original post was bad.

Katelih-Trailer...

big_d,    Great link. I was able to pick out the Pit bull, since the image of the dog was so correct . I wanted to guess the breed on all the dogs on that page and found 4 dogs I never even heard of. Luckily ,they are rare to see around here, keeping the breed safe. Probably not a lot of back yard breeding. For instance, I only know 1 person who has a Fila Brasilerio. When I became friends with a woman from Brazil, I asked her about the breed. She told me most people have them in their backyard where shes from. I told her I know someone who paid  $4000.00 for one. She said ," You've got to be kidding !" 

Katelih-Trailer...

I think breeding any dogs should be banned . There should only be selected breeders who are allowed to breed. Everyone else should be punished with hefty fines. I know the costs of buying a dog would go up, but the homelessness rate for dogs would go down. 

abbylove
MINE

@ABBYLOVE

 

Great/interesting link!   Thanx!

Like I have said a million times......."humans" are the problem.... not "animals"...any  animal.    Animals have more  sense than most humans.

EZOB

German Sheperds -  Guard Dogs- mainly used in Vietnam and by the Germans in WW11.  One person  animals that were destroyed after handlers tour in Vietnam, unable to adapt.

Beagles - Rabbit dogs have their nose to the ground from an early age.

Chesapeak Bay Retriever - Even throw a stick and it will fetch it.

Labrador Retriever - Bird Dog or Retriever  real fine hunting dog and good companion.  I would rate numbe 1 or 2 with a beagle as a house or childrens pet.

Walkers, Kerr dogs, Blue ticks - Racoon dogs- Used mainly at night to run and tree racoons and sometimes possum or skunks.

Many other kinds of hunting dogs.

Please tell me what comes to your mind when you hear "Pit Bull" or Doberman Pincher????  What your first thought when you hear "Fighting Cocks"?  I'll sure bet it isn't a chicken that lays eggs. 

J rock

I have a German Shepherd that shows nervous aggression when in public. As a smart owner he gets muzzled just because he acts aggressively out of fear. In my house in his comfort zone he is as loving as a dog could be when he gets to know someone.

big_d

As a youngster, I had a Lab, good one family dog, aggressive with strangers, until last year I had a GS/Collie mix, lived 17 years, wonderful companion and great family dog, but again, a one family dog, and aggressive with strangers. She never bit anybody, but she would let you know what she thought. My AmStaff, a neutered male, not aggressive with strangers in the least, and for some reason, absolutely loves girls and women, although he can be standoffish with guys until he gets to know you. Good with the grandchildren, tolerates things that my other dogs never would have.

SarahTonin

It'll never fly.  If you want to see a Pit Bull with lipstick, go to a Urine City Council meeting! Half the council would be muzzled if something like this passed!

Yellow Snow

I've had the same vet for over 30 years and 8 dogs. My vet told me years ago, the breed they least want to service is anything with a big head and big jaws.

Yes, training has a lot to do with an animal, but unless you're super-knowledgeable and deticated to the breed, you're blowing smoke up your own your-own-you-know-what. Very few people meet this criteria.  Don't deny genetics.  Any animal can be anti-social, some with more tendencies than others.

Kind of like kids, it takes a full-blown-family-effort to make it good.

 

 

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youngfamily

Okay, so "not all pits are bad" or "it's how they are raised"

How do you distinguish a pit from being properly trained from not?

My 2 year old and I was chased down the road on my bike a few months back. There were 3 dogs in the yard and the first two just watched us ride by, then the pit saw us and started chasing us so it one of the other dogs going as well. I was terrified. I don't trust any dog that comes from a fighting/mean background. Why would I put my trust in a dog or want my children around a type of dog that is more prone to attacking and risk getting hurt? You don't know what dogs have been properly trained or not.

And when you hear of attacks on the news  the families always say "he was the sweetest dog" or "I never would have expected that from him, he was  a big baby"

 

SarahTonin

Youngfamily,

A very good post! When you raise a puppy, it's like raising a kid, you never see the dangers and they are always "good". Jeffery Dahmer's mother said that he was a good kid!

I am amazed at the stupidity in some of these posts and I am reminded of what Caesar Milan says. He does not train dogs, he trains owners. Even Ceasar has had his trouble with Pits and he understands them!

The post about "Petey" the pit bull on the little rascals is a good example. There were three of them and all three were eventually destroyed for attacking the child stars. That hair standing up on Alfalfa's head came to be because Petey grabbed his glutis maximus and wouldn't let go! and Buckwheat, you think that hair was normal? :o)

Buff

Pit bulls can be raised properly, but the reason they are designated a "vicious breed" is that they have been bred to be that way.  Remember the Michael Vick story?  The dogs that didn't have the killer instinct to fight were being destroyed.  Instead of breeding the aggressiveness out of the breed, they have been bred to be increasingly more so.  Very few but professional dog handlers are capable of training them properly and even then, there is a higher incidence of violent attacks as compared to other breeds.

As for the Chief's position, there are already laws on the books that require that a pit bull or pit bull mix be either in an enclosure or teathered.  If there is a problem, it seems to me the answer is more stringent enforcement of the existing law.

 

SarahTonin

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big_d

SarahTonin

Hey Big D,

How many people get bit by: (January to June 2009)

cigarettes 0 automobiles 0 second hand smoke 0 guns 0 pit bulls 388

Statistically (and I don't know where you came up with 3, but since 2005 over 200 people have been killed by Pit Bulls in the US, not just bitten!

In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question.

Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be potentially dangerous. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. No one can look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack.

Sarah loves statistics!!!!  :o)

Buff

I am often asked "does your dog bite?", to which I always respond; "he doesn't bite me, but then,  I'm the one that  feeds him". 

He is not a Pit Bull, just to be clear.

big_d

please cite your sources for these statistics.

This source disputes that.

http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecrea...

big_d

Which one of those is not like the other?
*Hint* The one without Washington lobbyists!

big_d

I should have noted the little poster was not scientific, just used it to illustrate a point as to odds of being killed by one as opposed to the others. My bad.

Driving in Circles

87.3% of all statistics are made up!

SarahTonin

BigD,

My statistics are from http://dogsbite.org It's an interesting site, although the picture of the kid with his face ripped off isn't too cool!

It may seem like Sarah is a very intelligent person but I just know how to use GOOGLE quite well! Anything that I quote on this blog will be researched on GOOGLE before posting.Of course I don't go to GOOGLE until somebody says something rediculous.

I also like http://www.snopes.com    These people are people that I love!

 

big_d

Like your name, SarahTonion, BTW, mine is big_d, not BigD ; )

Kimo

A chain for a collar?????                  Why?????????

 

big_d

C'mon, does he look like a killer to you? He is neutered after all.

SMH-FML

In my opinion , and as a dog owner myself (not of pit bulls), it has not so much to do with the dog or the breed as it is all about the owner.  A responsible owner will socialize their dogs, take them to the vets, and not let them out unattended or chained up outside on a permanent basis.  It all goes back to being a responsible owner, and if you aren't you shoud lose your right to have animals.

kURT

One of Helen Keller's service dogs was a Pit Bull. Of course everyone knows about Petey on Our Gang

(Little Rascals).

kURT

Forgot about Sgt.Stubby.

SmithBrothers

kURT, Helen Keller had a pit bull for a companion but it was because she thought it was a pig.

mrhuda

To my fellow pittbull supporters, please read http://www.sanduskyregister.com/letter-editor/2009/feb/19/letter-outlaw-pit-bulls#comment-301216

I commented on this letter as it sounds like uneducated ranting to me!

big_d

FYI, I wouldn't respond too harshly to this letter as it was written by a middle school student as part of an assignment, besides, he's entitled to his opinion. As an aside, there are always going to be people who don't like one thing or another, and you are not going to change their mind.

bighead10

Pitbulls are a dog which no longer needs to be around.  The little rascals was not a pit bull, he was another type of terrier breed.  Are some people right on how pits need proper socialization, yes, but at the same time a culture has been created which glorifies these animals. 

Katelih-Trailer...

 I thought Helen Keller had an Akita. One which was shipped to her from Japan.