Try not to look Mexican

Rule No. 1 in a town patrolled by U.S. Border Patrol - don't be Mexican. Or at least, don't look, act or talk like a Mexican. That's the message seven Sandusky teens took home Wednesday night when their walk downtown - a daily ritual for the teens - was cut short by two U.S. Border Patrol agents.
Shawn Foucher
Jul 22, 2010


Rule No. 1 in a town patrolled by U.S. Border Patrol — don’t be Mexican. 

Or at least, don’t look, act or talk like a Mexican. 

That’s the message seven Sandusky teens took home Wednesday night when their walk downtown — a daily ritual for the teens — was cut short by two U.S. Border Patrol agents. 

“I have no idea what I was doing,” said Juan Valles, 17. “I wasn’t doing anything.” 

A Sandusky High student and U.S. resident for 15 years — he was born in Mexico — Juan was pulled aside by the two Border Patrol agents at about 7:30 p.m. in the county’s downtown parking garage on Columbus Avenue. 

He and his six friends were walking out of the parking garage, leaving their car to hang out downtown. It’s something the group does every day, opting for the free parking in the county garage. 

Juan was street level near the county garage separated from his friends when the Border agents began questioning him. 

For the whole story, go to the Register's e*Paper or pick up a copy of Thursday's Register at a newsstand near you. 




so much spin, i'm dizzy


So they person was asked for ID?  My gosh, will they ever recover from such harrassment? 


I would have to have ALL the facts in this incident, lets face it the Registerag does sometimes have a biased and anti-law enforcement agenda.  My other comment how many Canadians are trying to sneak into this country and violate our laws. 


Let's see...a teen age boy in a parking garage alone...I'd say that warrents a closer look. Sandusky are doing a disservice to this community and to these kids.

Load them up with a chip on their shoulder. As if people don't have enough reason to feel entitled.

So much spin I'm least I'm not the only one who reads through your BS.


The way I see it, a law enforcement officer has the right to stop anyone, anytime, for any reason.  It only becomes unethical if they detain you, or otherwise wrongfully impinge on your livelihood.  Being momentarily stopped by an officer to answer a few basic questions is NOT an infringement of constitutional rights.


afastfour: The kid wasn't alone in a parking garage.  He was with 6 of his friends.  The fact that they singled this kid out and none of the other 6 is discrimination.  The Border Patrol needs to check EVERYONE's ID; white people can be illegal too, you know.


If you read the article, his friends were on the roof, he was alone on the ground floor.


This is the kind of thing that Dr. Rufus Sanders writes about all the time..........will someone please now believe him.......not only does he write about the stuff he is expert on race relationships.....he teaches at a University............


If it was not for the shootings over the past couple months I would not be reading this garbage. Talk about desperation for news!


I have been riding in cars being pulled over for speeding been asked for ID handed it over with no complaints from me or the police. If you have no warrants OR ARE IN OUR COUNTRY LEGALLY then you have nothing to worry about. The more the register and our national media keep spinning these stories it will cause constant backlash towards law enforcement every time they do their job. I routinely show my ID for various reasons multiple times a day. I guess I need to start crying discrimination every time i'm asked. Maybe a better tan and I can start palying the race card everywhere.

R U Serious

I understand the the checking of the I.D. but the hole Rufus Bunker ooops I mean Archie Sanders thing is confusing!

hussein membrane

 Wow, quite the conservative tone...

The fact is we have a Border Patrol station that has to justify its existence to keep those federal dollars coming in. I would call it a wast of money, but ya'll conservatives can differ.

So they have to go after every tan person they see. That's just all there is to it. We can't feel too bad for illegal immigrants, but this sort of reporting at least keeps them honest.

It should be reported every time they stop someone for being tan and it turns out be an american citizen. They may have rules other than local law enforcement, but the SR is doing a good job here. 

I bet they don't bother too many Perk-a-hontises coming out of the tanning beds or tourists at Kalahari. That would get them in trouble.  




Think you could drop the caps, we can all read you fine? Try a little better spelling also, you do not need to alter words to cram in a few more to get your point across. 


Who gives a crap, really. It's not like border patrol is going to question African Americans to see if they illegally came in from Mexico. Question them. If they're clean, send them on their way. If not, deport them. Isn't that the job of the border patrol? What should they do, wait until someone comes up and says "I'm an illegal alien. Please do your job."  Seriously.


digger nick


I am legal American citizen and I must show my ID when: 
     1.  Pulled over by the police.     2.  Making purchases on my department store credit card.      3.  When I show up for a doctor's appointment. 
   4.  When filling out a credit card or loan application. 
   5.  When applying for or renewing a driver's license or passport.
    6.  When applying for any kind of insurance. 
    7.  When filling out college applications. 
  8.  When donating blood.
  9.  When obtaining certain prescription drugs.   10.  When making some debit purchases, especially if I'm out of state.
11. When collecting a boarding pass for airline or train travel. 

I'm sure there are more instances, but the point is that we citizens of the USA are required to prove who we are nearly every day! Why should people in this country illegally, be exempt!!!!! Why shouldn't we guard our borders as closely as every other country in the world does? 


Proud to be a Mexican American. Yes I was born in the USA. So was my dad and mother.  They worked hard just like any body else.  Did we get made fun of because of our color of or skin,  yes. Did we get the dirty jobs no body else wanted ,Yes.  What is wrong or right? First the Indians, blacks and now browns.  With all due respects.  What now, thrity years from now ,all whites go back to where ever they come from?  One little thing we all forget?  God created us all,and may God bless you.


brown bear said "What now, thrity years from now ,all whites go back to where ever they come from?"

Answer-We would achieved total government dependence?


The Border Patrol needs to be a little less bias when stopping people; cannot  nonwhite kids be just as delinquent ?  An apology needs to be issued to the young man.


When is someone going to make this newspaper stop causing so much trouble? It has gotten waaaaay out of hand. No wonder noone has to obey the law anymore. It's a shame that everyone has to be suspicious of everybody anymore but it sure wasn't the law enforcement that has caused this. You can blame this newspaper for some people that think they can go out and do whatever criminal behavior they want....this newspaper will back them when they get caught. Racial tensions in Sandusky? Who's to blame? THIS RAG! Must have lost alot of business because they will go as low as they can to try to get it back.
As others here have said....I have to pull out my ID several times a I care? Not at all. If an officer decides to pull me over....ask for problem.....nothing to hide here...and they are doing a job that I am very thankful for.


As a white male, I hereby declare that any police officer may ask for my ID whenever they want.


When will all you morons that were born here realize that you are AMERICANS???  What is this Mexican American, Italian American, African American CRAP???  I'm an AMERICAN BORN HERE!  My family is of Italian descent!  I AM AN AMERICAN!!! Get over yourselves!


lamorena says "AT NOMOREFREERIDES! YOUR AN IDIOT .... YEA THE POLICE WERE JUSTIFIED IN PULLING YOU OVER BC YOU WERE SPEEDING!!!! WHICH IS ILLEGAL... "  so why do you complain about undocumented people in this country being discriminated against?  they are here illegally which according to you justifies law enforcement asking them questions or detaining them.  however, not precisely in this case.


Sounds like a officer doing his job. Keep up the good work Mr. Border Partrol whomever you are.


"sounds like they owe the young man an apology"...

Fine.  But I'm sick of these public politically correct apologies that are just lip service to save a career.  Don't call a press conference and half-heartedly extoll the virtues of some ethnic culture and vow to meet with Jesse Jackson.  Handle it man-to-man and be done with it. 

What I really wish is that illegal immigrants realize how much they are screwing things up for their legal counterparts, like what happened to this young man.  If you are in the country illegally, find a job, keep you head down, and shut up.  Don't insult all the naturalized citizens by demanding equal rights without the same sacrifices they have made!



What a title!
No comments on that story? Why would that be? They don't have a race card to cry about? Not a big enough troublemaking story? No one cares? Why? Because they are not Mexican?
What color are they? Are they American? Well, one good enforcement isn't being degraded because they arrested them. ~sigh~


"A Sandusky High student and U.S. resident for 15 years — he was born in Mexico — "  So is he here legally or not?  Just because he's been here 15 years doesn't make him legal.  Likewise, just because he was born in Mexico doesn't make him illegal.

brutus smith

The Indians think we are all illegal immigrants.


Maybe the rule of thumb is to not look like a CRIMINAL!


This is the kind of article that fuels the fires!!!!!

Digger Nick...I totally rock.

columbus avenue

Hmmm...look like a Mexican or look like a Schwangerite?  


Hmmm...Mexican please!


These kids may as well get used to it.    I have to show my ID and prove who I am.   Why shouldn't the?.  Last time I knew,  Mexicans are from Mexico that's why they look like...well...  Mexicans.     He would have to do the same thing in Mexico, wouldn't he?


Well, is he  LEGAL???


  I don't think  it's even about color anymore--this isn't even about God. 

It's about   peoples'   financial security for their families.  When that's threatened- everyone   is fair game.    It's about enabling the people who are breaking the law every day.   Mexico's  border laws are some of the strictest in  world, especially their own southern border.  


It's more like - The rest of us are getting fed up with paying for the free ride  illegal people, no matter if they're black or brown or pasty white- like me.   Aren't you getting tired of paying for them?    I am.  

As far as the jobs Americans won't do:  threaten to cut off  ALL  assistance they receive, whether it be WIC, food stamps  Medicaid etc.   If they are physically able to work.  Make them.  Simple.


No more free $$$$   just because they continue to pop out kids they cannot afford.   This country simply   cannot continue to  sustain these social programs  many more years.  Eventually they will dry up. Some of them are, already.

hancrack me up

 The teens probably disturbed the "Bored-Duh" Patrol's nap- since downtown is more dead than roadkill on the Autobahn. 


Well said, Starry!

If anyone who was Mexican and is now an American citizen would like to complain to someone about 'racial profiling', they first need to go and slap all the illegal Mexicans who are NOT American citizens.  They are the ones that have done this to you, the law enforcement officers are only trying to enforce the law.


It is totally wrong how they treat people. I do know this child and his family. It is wrong how they are just getting at people because they are mexican. Not to long ago my fiance and a couple of his family members were arrested just for being mexican & yes I can say thats why. They were just chilling outside of a bar waitin for me to pick them up when an officer pulled in and started yelling at them, remind you a bar is private property. and to make it worse he told one of them he was being arrested just cause he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. If they are here illegaly yeah that may be wrong but if not leave them be and let them live their lifes in peace. & no I am not Mexican so you cant say I'm just defendin my race. & you people who say its just an officer doing his job how come the other children weren't talked to who was with him.


What a load of garbage.  So tell us Sandusky register, you arrogant all knowing wannabe of a newspaper, is this clown in the country legally or not?  You simply tell us he is a "resident".  A legal resident with a visa?  Otherwise?  Legally?  Please let's not bother with the details, right?

Back when we had control of this country, these punks would be thrown to the ground, pistol whipped, and taught a lesson. 

I just cannot wait until the wannabe newspaper tells us if he is a legal resident or not.  The border patrol was doing its job.

Stop lying and report the facts.


Shawn Foucher

 The 17-year-old boy is a legal resident. That's why Border Patrol let him go. 

William Jeffers...

Shawn, you embarrassed your family and friends by writing this. 


William Jeffers is correct.  Shawn Foucher should be ashamed of himself. 


I have news for all of you. You take a middle eastern and dress him in mexicon cloths and you can't tell them apart. I get checked for I.D. all the time if I write a check no big deal but if you are illegal it is a big deal. At one time they caught 207 illegals coming across the border and 157 were OTMs witch is other then mexican and 54 were mexican. watch fox news and you may under stand what they go thru there just to protect us up here. Its a shame that some of these comments are from people who don't know what there talking about


Sorry SFULTZ86
You could never in a million years convince me that an officer just decided to pull up and "yell" at your fiance as he sat outside of a bar just "chillin".....never.


Don't try to look Mexican?


Okay, my advice to Mexicans is do like Gene Wilder did in the movie Silver Streak.


Gene Wilder goes incognito


Juan, listen to your Dad, don't cause any more problems.

SR listen to his dad, quit causing the family more problems than they already have.

Like Kermit said: "It ain't easy being green".



These kinds of stories cause more problems than they solve.

If you pay attention to what his father said, you would see that.



WOW, a paper that has the socialist Sanders writing articles actually found a way to dig a little deeper into the the trash just so they can print a story. 


Westerhold is trying to be a Randolf Hearst , another liberal that used the press to stir up people over things that have no truth in them or bearing of the facts, with his press we made war against Spain while in truth Spain NEVER had anything to do with blowing up our ship in Cuba! 

Be careful what the modern liberal press feeds you, you might end up like Sanders.

Opps, this will be deleted! "They message has been removed due to personal attacks, WE the Register do it every day as a NEWS STORY but your opinon SUCKS, we are the all powerful" 

Signed, Rosebud.


The days of the public buying everything they read without thinking are over.

They aren't buying this race baiting article.

Back to the drawing board.

Maury Brauschwitz

Nice job Shawn, put the alleged fact of his supposed legal residency in the comments.  Thats why you are at the SR and not in Cleveland or Chicago or something.

Do you care now to report on his citizenship status.  Of course not.  You and your editor have a race baiting game going on.  Never remind reporting the facts on the probable cause that these highly trained professionals might have had relative to this apparent punk.

All the SR is doing is pumping up controversy, where there is none, to drive online advertising on the comments board, only telling half of the story to suit the agenda.



If you all had read the actual article you would know that yes, he was born in Mexico, but he is a legal U.S. resident. And no, the "Border Patrol" was not just doing their job. They do not have the authority to merely stop individuals to ask them for their immigration status. (They do IF they are stationed at an actual check point near the border; last time I checked we are located on Lake Erie which is no where near Mexico or the actual Canadian border) Border Patrol agents are held to the same standard as any other officer of the law. They must have a reasonable suspicion that someone is in this country illegally. Unfortunately, being of Mexican decent is not "reasonable suspicion." Border patrol is and has been for a while "Racial Profiling" which is illegal.

If agents near the borders are at a legal checkpoint that regularly checks for illegal aliens then have the authority to ask anyone their status who is attempting to ENTER INTO THE COUNTRY. And for the guy who said he would give his ID to any officer who asked; you are obviously unaware that it's your right not to. If an officer or border patrol even attempted to stop me in my regular course of business while walking anywhere, I would laugh at them; we all have the right to walk away and say nothing. Unless an officer, or border patrol for that matter, has probable cause to believe that you are committing a crime, you don't even have to speak to them let alone provide any sort of ID.

I find it hilarious that many of you scream you are American, yet many of you don't even know the first thing about your rights or the Constitution. Actually, I wouldn't be suprised if the Mexican's knew more than you...



This is Bold.

:- (



to Non Conformist

ah, you said it would be acceptable if they stopped them at at an actual check point near the border.

Well, just two blocks away is a CHECK POINT and there is another at the Sandusky Airport.



Dude (or dudette) doesn't matter! Do your research, I've done mine.


Hey Bailey, find the statute in United States Code, read it, then come talk to me.


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heres a stellar thought.

IF these 'american's were patriots they would THANK THE PATROL's for making certain they are protected from illegals! BUT NOOOOooooo, instead they think their rights were violated while in truth they were PROTECTED! 


Again, liberals way of thinking is opposite of rational people


It's not a matter of protection; oh the stories I could share, if you only knew... It's a matter of abuse of power. But I guess if it ever happens to you it will be a different story!


How can buzzing the ave be racist? 

How can wearing a sombrero be racist?

The Ragister printed a racist and discriminatory story.



50 comments and everyone is ****ed off. SR has done it again! Great going! So proud to call you our hometown newspaper. Dig to the bottom of the barrel....go as low as you can go .....whatever sells. Reminds me of the National Enquirer....maybe worse.


The truth always hurts, doesn't it?

hancrack me up

 So I guess if you're an illegal alien, the thing to do is get some blue contacs & blonde hair dye?

I believe Sgt. stedanko & the rest of the Bored-Duh Patrol were tired of hanging out at Taco Bell/BK parking lots day in/day out & were so Bored they were just looking for something to do.

Here's an idea: Move the Bored-Duh Patrol office into the empty Knotty Pine Bar on Hancrack St. That'll give them something to do with all their passive activity time.

Sue Meredith

You all kill  me. You belittle the Sandusky Register over and over but guess where you are at ON THE SANDUSKY REGISTER WEBSITE READING THE PAPER. If you don't like it don't read it!!!!


 The thing is...In Sandusky, there is QUITE a BIT of SERIOUS crime....A group of teenage boys hanging around in a parking garage, would CERTAINLY raise suspicions of LE, or myself, for that matter!  LE has EVERY right to ask for an ID in that situation...

Heck, I have just discussed this with our 22 yr.old son...He said it was COMMON PRACTICE for LE to stop his group of friends, while walking in our small town(NOT San.) after dark, and be asked to show ID...

He and his friends had NO PROBLEM doing so....It could be to prove one is of age to be SMOKING, or allowed to be out past CURFEW, or, just to make sure they are NOT breaking into cars!!  

There are SOBRIETY CHECK POINTS all the time!!  People are "randomly" pulled over and MUST show ID and a HOST of other "paper-work",.....I don't hear the UP-ROAR over that!!  

This is just a bunch of B.S.!!  EVERYONE is asked to show ID at one time or another!!  If a person is LEGAL, in every aspect, then there is NOT a PROBLEM!  If all of the whiners want to do away with the "show ID" thing, then, do away with it for EVERYTHING!!!  THEN, we can just have the Wild-West Free-for-all from days of old!!

That way, all your kids can buy alcohol and ciggs., UNDER-AGE!  Drivers can drive, whether they have a license or not......Terrorists can come and go as they please.........You people will be the DEATH of us ALL!!  LITERALLY!!


I seem to remember other incidents in which the Border Patrol have been seen as aggressive and abrasive. Maybe that is the way they are taught to be.

To me the young men in this situation have the perfect storm. Let the national media be aware of this and let the take it where it may. The young men certainly have a right as "American citizens" to file a complaint with probably the Inspector General of the Border Patrol. This is an election year and we have Rep Kaptur running for office and they seem to be a bit more attentive to local problems in election years. Let them visit with Rep Kaptur on her next visit to Sandusky.

Given Sandusky Police were involved it is certainly within their rights to go to City Hall and pull the police officer's personnel file that is open for public inspection.

These young men can certainly turn the tables on the individuals who may have treated them a bit to aggressively and let those public servants feel some heat coming back. Maybe next time they may still stop them and that is fine if they have suspitions but they might treat whoever it is with a bit more respect knowing that they are in the public eye regardless of what age the person they are stopping is.


Non Conformist, study history.

This is not the first time America has been INVADED by illegal Mexicans. Hover and Eisenhower had to deal with it and they SUCCESSFULLY protected our boarders and sent back those who were illegal.

Only a complete FOOL would begin to think that these youths rights were violated. They were QUESTIONED, since when is it illegal for law enforcement to ask questions.

If we were being invaded by Nazi's from Germany I'm sure the German community would not mind being asked to provide proof of citizenship.

Internment like the Japanese is NOT the same as being investigative.

With non conformists views he and the liberals would outlaw police giving out discriptions. When a crime is committed and they describe the cloths of the outlaw, their color, height and other distinquishing characteristic Nonconformists political views would suggest that if the criminals are found they can't be questioned UNTIL their witnessed breaking the law!

Sorry dude, but if we have 12,ooo,ooo illegal MEXICANS and had a swarm of them in Norwalk I think and it seems most here on the forum believe the patrol is JUSTIFIED to stop anyone who FITS THE DESCRIPTION of the reported crime.

No RIGHTS were broken, the only an inconvienence.

Why not address the point that you and others should support the truth that the YOUTHS RIGHTS WERE PROTECTED JUST AS MUCH AS EVERYONE ELSE WHO IS LEGAL! 
Instead you claim they were somehow abused. If they are legal they should be HAPPY the patrol is protecting THEM as well as me and you. Ok, DUDE>



You know the old saying, "the more you stir sh#t, the more it stinks".  Well I think the SR likes to do a lot of stirring, rather than honest to goodness real journalistic type reporting. They do not even bother with spelling and grammer much anymore.

But, that's just my opinion.

Raoul Duke

How can all of these illegal Mexicans afford to live here if they have to prove that they are citizens before they can get a job? I had to prove that I was a citizen before I got my last job?

Oh, because there are employers who will hire them KNOWING that they are NOT citizens? Then who is the REAL problem?

An analogy: If you leave garbage on your back porch, raccoons will come at night and dig through it. If you want to get rid of the raccoons, get rid of the garbage.

Just Thinkin

To the Border Patrol GREAT JOB keep it up, Turn the heat up keep checking and doing your job ,Thank You ,The SR is just trying to stir up trouble so they can get some fighting going, they have no news so they make it

6079 Smith W


I enjoy all this nonsense about ‘people of color’ having solidarity.  

Have any of you worked around people who are of Hispanic decent and are from different areas of Latin American? 

I knew a woman who was Salvadoran, who was educated and a hard worker. 

She looked down upon a woman who was a complainer, uneducated and who was of Mexican decent. 

I once lived next door to a nice Puerto Rican couple; they had nothing nice to say about Mexicans or even Puerto Rico.

It all comes down to the individual, regardless of race or ethnicity.

Not every Hispanic you may meet is “Mexican.”


 6079 Smith W..     Nicely put. I am white and know some pretty low life white people. However, there may be some people who think I am trash. We can all ' pick someone apart ' and find things wrong about them.   I know people of all races and choose my friends according to their character ,not skin color or where they live.


   If a Mexican ,or anybody else, is here legaly then there is nothing to worry about. If the legals don`t like the way they are being checked,then they need to tell their other family members to get legal also, because it is making it hard on them. The Mexican people did this to themselves.  Many,many Mexicans and  people  from other countries come to the USA  legally  every day. If we as American born have to obey the laws of this country then so does everybody coming here for even a visit. When the World Trade Centers were hit I remember people asking what our Border Patrol was doing and why didn`t they do their job. Now when they do their job,this happens.

 What it all boils down to is this....if you are here legal,then you don`t have anything to worry about and you should be pleased that they are doing a good job of protecting us AMERICANS. So,if you are here and you are not legal,then you have already broken the laws of this country and you should be sent back to where ever you came from. And now that they won`t be able to get work,who do you think will have to support their families?  MOST Americans don`t have a problem with people coming here legaly because that is how most of us got to be Americans to begin with. But those who lie to get here and then live off the system are ruining it for those of us who are doing things right. Sure the Mexicans were doing the jobs nobody else wanted to do,but things are different now. WE need those jobs now. We don`t need illegals from ANY country coming here taking away jobs from people who pay taxes.

Norma J-C

Why can't we all learn to get along, share the space, help those who need it and just be thankful we're alive and breathing? Life is too short to waste so much time.

Irrelevant Truth

I work with Border Patrol agents regularly, and I know of this specific incident. Too bad they are so professional that they won't bother to respond to this apparent set-up by Shawn-- Shawn should resign.

The teenager, born in Mexico, just happened to be loitering in the key card access area of the parking garage basement in amongst Border Patrol vehicles; he was alone. When asked by an agent what he was doing hanging out in amongst the vehicles, he gave contradictory responses. When the agent asked where he was from, he said "Mexico, but I live in Sandusky." The agent did not believe him to be an illegal, so the agent told him to leave-- twice.

The teenager kept loitering within the employee gated area of the county garage without a stated purpose, alone. So, the agent, who is also a foreign-born 'Hispanic' by the way, called Sandusky PD to report the loitering.

Coincidentally, in the meantime, Shawn shows up in the garage and so does a group of 'white teenagers', all prepared to give sensational soundbites.

Too bad there aren't review boards to investigate editors for set-ups and/or falsification. Good thing that our military and law enforcement work everyday to protect Shawn's right to free and questionable speech.



Now that we have a spin of the facts, from two sides. One COULD jump to a conclusion that somewhere between the two spins, is what actually happened. My wag: Take one Mexican kid hanging around a parking garage (with border patrol vehicles). Add a couple of Agents that see an opportunity for “just doing my job”. Agents think the kid is a smart @$$. Kid is too young to know that “Yes Sir, No Sir” is the quickest way to resolve this issue. Did they push their weight around, ya, probably? That goes in the “so what” category. At one point in my life I worked with LE on a regular basis, they come in all shapes, sizes and attitudes. Fact of life, live with it. Throw in a register reporter who thinks he sees a cause and a story. What you have; is situation where everyone loses.

If we can assume that Juan’s dad was quoted correctly, he appears to me to be the most sensible person in the bunch.

I don’t know the man, but I sure do like his advice to the kid.

Given that the SR opened up this can of worms.

At this point a fair question to ask?

Did you set this up Shawn, or did you just stumble on to the situation?


William Jeffers...

Profiling: The extrapolation of information about something, based on known qualities, traits or tendencies. It is a mathematical model based on simple "probability".

Profiling may be the second most important element of capitalism. It reduces waste and inefficiencies and maximizes productivity in every business model including law enforcement.  As Spock would say..."it is logical". 


  do not know ANYONE involved in this "article'", but I DO know CR@P when I read it!

I have followed the Register stories for some years now , the "Nuesse Saga", the corrupt city "Fathers", etc.. Found all to be RIVETING....

But, THIS WAS JUST AWFUL!  To try to stir up TROUBLE, where there is NONE, is UN-PROFESSIONAL at BEST, MUCK-RAKING at WORST!  

People of ALL stripes must show ID for ALL KINDS of reasons throughout their lives. (as I stated in my last comment on the article) These LE professionals put their lives at risk, EVERY TIME they approach someone! They have NO IDEA if they are "friendly" or "CRIMINAL!" The YOUTH of this country, and others, need to learn RESPECT for Authority, and ADULTS in GENERAL!!  NOT to be ENCOURAGED to DIS-RESPECT !!!

I truly believe that you should do a few "Ride-Alongs" with the different LE Agencies! THEN, write a story on your EXPERIENCE with LE!!  How about that??

In the mean time, I believe that you owe an apology to the B/P and L/E......And an article on what it means to be a law-abiding, responsible CITIZEN of the USA ......


Okay, I just seen the hard copy newspaper, and find it amazing the  camera guy was right  there to snap  THE  photo of the  Border Patrol, whilst they had  the  same kid stopped.  The photo even  Id'ed   the  boy.




Gee, SR,  how does YOUR  photographers   do it??    They must be psychic, knowing when and where to snap a photo.


Juan is a friend of my daughter.  He is a very sweet kid (he gave me a hug when I first meet him). I can't imagine him being disrespectful to a grownup, he is very polite.  I haven't meet his parents but they must be wonderful people to raise such a nice young man.  Please remember he is only 17 and a minor. Can minors be deported?

He was visiting my mother's house yesterday afternoon with my daughter and told us things that happened that evening that was not reported in the S.R.  It's not my place to repeat some of the things he told us and we have no reason to think he would lie.  But I will say I was shock at what he said the border patrol officers said and did to him.  As far as showing his ID (green card) to them, Juan said he told them it was his parent's understanding that they were to keep his card in safe keeping for him until he turned 18. The Border Patrol told him that wasn't  true. His mother left work to get his ID.  Juan said he will carry his card with him at all time now. Juan showed me his ID yesterday.  He is a legal U.S. Resident, who has lived in the U.S. since he was 2 and wants to become a citizen, he already feels like one.

After everything was cleared up, Juan said he extended his hand for handsakes and only one of the two officers offered his hand in return.

Most of the comments I've read here make me very angry for Juan.  You don't know him or what really happened that evening.


 pattyg,   I too know Juan. He is friends with my little brother. Juan greets me with hugs too. He is a very sweet kid. Very well mannered. It is not a 'front' either. Sometimes when I knew my little brother and his friends were going to a particular place  ex. the mall, skateboard park , the park to play b-ball  I would stand and watch from afar before I let them know I was there. I never saw any bad behavior from him. I never even heard him curse, unlike a couple of them. 


By the way, if 70 to 75% of illegal aliens are Hispanic, what is wrong with concentrating on Hispanics? It is not "racial profiling" because Hispanics are not a race (sans "La 'Raza"). What we lack in this country is COMMON SENSE! It is COMMON SENSE to be suspicious of Hispanics in terms of their immigration legality according to the facts! If I get stopped by the police, I have to show my drivers license, registration and proof of insurance, is that harassment? No!

However, the reason that they tore down the Berlin Wall is because Communism has spread everywhere, including the United States! Political Correctness originated in the Frankfert School in Germany and was used extensively in the former Soviet Union. Search for the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto and see how many of them have been enacted in this country. As an example, we are supposed to have "private property rights" in the USA. Try not paying your property taxes and see what happens! You don't own the land, you rent it from the government! I hope there are some real patriots out there that are waking up to the facts!

P.S. When your government claims they are broke and start laying off police and fire, ask to see their "Comprehensive Annual Financial Report". All governments are required to produce one. Check it out!


"what is wrong with concentrating on Hispanics?" you ask? The same problem we had when everyone was "concentrating" on the "negro's". It was finally determined at some point after years of loathing and unecessary violations of a human beings rights to the fullest extent, that the African-Amercian people also had the same unalienable rights that all we "inbreds" had. Are there illlegal aliens in this county, yes there are. However, there are many people from other countries here legally, of which are entitled to the same protection of the Constitution that all of us are. No matter what your "political point of view", if any of you dare to stand against the Constitution of the United States of America (if you even know what your talking about when you spew your wretched thoughts) then American you are not.



Juan doesn't have a driver's license, registration or proof of insurance. He's a Sandusky High School Student, 17 and has not graduated yet.




81% of all illegal immigrants in 2008 were Hispanic. These young men were just "hanging out" how many recent articles has this alleged newspapers had relating to vandalism, theft, the downtown area. The Border Patrol and local law enforcement should step up enforcement. I always doubt the completeness of any articles from this alleged newspaper when it can further the agenda of the management many times at the expense of the facts.


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 Border patrol should go to local establishments and question whether their hispanic employees are legal. I would start with establishments with 'greenhouses'  who offer landscaping.  I hope this comment isnt libelous or defamatory.


@ katelih and all the others: And the minute they interfere with any of your "rights" you'll be screamin'. Hippocrates....


 To nonconformist, Why would I scream Hippocrates ?  The ancient Greek physician has never taken any rights from me ! ha ha ! I think the word you are trying to use is spelled HYPOCRITE. Every time you misspell that word, which is quite often,  I giggle to myself. Thanks for calling me out , now I don't feel bad for pointing that out to you.       BTW ,  Hippocrates was a very interesting man ! If you get a chance, read about him.


Call me out for a mere misspelling? Classic... I am sure I know more than you about philosophy.

Don't hate because I brought truth to this story! Are you a f'in Doctor? Because really, if you hold a doctorate, (even if you dont') people here in Sandusky are so cultured! OMG! I wish I knew... do...please give me your views on this subject... educational only. (obviously that is what matters!) Please tell me that your degree (or lack there of) makes a difference?


 nonconformist ,  No, I do not have a doctorate. I do not have  any degree for that matter.  All I have is a SHS edumacation . ha ha     I mean really, I don't even know what a fin Doctor is .  What I do have is a wonderful step father who happens to be Hispanic.  He is a very hard working, loyal, trustworthy man. I am blessed to have him in my life. 


 I am more worried about all these shootings in our area. So Sam, what is the percentage of Mexicans doing the shootings ?


Juan is a good kid, "not a vandal, theft,etc., and he and his friends had nothing to do with the recent shootings.

My husband was born in Puerto Rico in 1948, he came to the states when he was 3.  Most US citizens don't realize that our country took this territory, the island of (Puerto Rico), during the spanish/ameican war in the 1800, and that the U.S made all citizens on the island of Puerto Rico, U.S. citizens in 1917.

MY HUSBAND AND HIS FATHER WERE BORN U.S. CITIZENS.  My husband's grandfather served in WWI, (not born a US Citizen but died one), My father-in-law served in WWII with many metals and my husband served during Vietnam.



re: They must be psychic

I was hoping that one of the Sandusky scanner listeners would post that it came over the scanner.

I posted a direct question, took a wag that scanner might be the reply, no such luck.

The SR likes to treat readers like mushrooms, keep'm in the dark and feed'm sh**.



Oy Kimo!!! I like your comment. The SR likes to treat readers like mushrooms, keep'm in the dark and feed'm sh**. Do not politicians and the government treat us the same way?

Captain Gutz

If my "rights" were interfered with, I'd probably be screaming Herophilos of Chalcedon instead of Hippocrates.






 Why single out one Hispanic , when local establishments employ groups of them. Certain establishments even house them  in not so desirable areas of town. I wouldn't want those groups of people to be in trouble either, but I wonder if " Mexicans" are only good enough when they are making money for certain establishments with their cheap labor and rental agreements.  

betty ann

I can not beleve you people!! I live in Las Cruces,NM what is a Hispanic suppose to look like???? I was born in Fostoria ,OH rasied just out side of Bellevue,OH and now I am ashamed to say where I come from. I have lived here 32 years and just found out my husband who is hispanic has family in Sandusky and Norwalk with an aunt who just passed away in Norwalk this week who was hispanic worked as a nurse and took care of alot of you. there is good and bad in any race. I think you all up there still think of the hispanics as only dirty farm workers well guess what they are Doctors and Lawyers, and live and make more money then you do and dress better then most of you too. You should all be ashamed of yourself we are all not better then the other.


 Re: betty ann , I dont think Border Patrol is going to mess with doctors and lawyers who 'look' Hispanic . I think they are going to focus on (1) Hispanic restaurant owners  who may employ illegals (2) Hispanic looking people who appear to be walking aimlessly around town. The authorities did a big investigation on our local Mexican restaurants , I am just wondering how many investigations were done on our local non Hispanic company owners who hire "illegals"?  Maybe only certain people are allowed to employ illegal immigrants.  Who determines which ones  stay or which ones go ? It should be All Or None !


The government must have a warrant based on probable cause and signed by a neutral and detached magistrate; or they need probable cause based on articulable suspicion to act this way.  They had neither, making what they did to this kid an unlawful search and seizure in violation of the Fourth Amendment to both the United States and Ohio Constitutions.

We are no where near the Mexican border, yet we have these jack-booted thugs illegally harassing legitimate citizens. (It would be equally appalling if it occured in a border town).

Last time I heard of police being able to say "show us your papers!" was in Nazi Germany, and we all know how that turned out.


betty ann..., cool your jets, you don't know for certain  who your  M-I-L   took care of.


Look at this from a  financial point of view, first and foremost.   This is about  being illegal.  What part of that don't you get?    Ps.  I dare you to sneak into another country and see how they treat Americans.


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 We can write 'ass' and not be deleted ? Cool !


 I agree with  katelih,  who  has a good point  in regards to the  Hispanic restuarant owners, look at the   operation with the Casa Fiesta  owner, and he isn't the only  one in this area to employ illegals,  Oh, and the landscape places and the big Farms around Celeryville/ Willard area. 


I say the more they can  round up the illegals and ship them back home.  The better. 

This country doesn't have to worry about being occupied by  Nazi  Germany-- the President of Mexico will see to that!!

Raoul Duke

Actually, we are a border town. But the Canadian aliens blend right in with us regular white folks.

hancrack me up

 ..."It's no fun...bein' an illegal aliennnn..."       -Phil Collins


I blame the Frito Bandito for the recent crimes in Sandusky......

Anyone see Juan Valdez hanging around the downtown, its 100% Colombian.........

These kids should have ran for the border, or Taco Bell whats ever closer.......


right on starry****it's amazing how much the obama administration "listens" to the mexican president when it comes to this country's immigration laws an' deportation of illegals.


RE: Starry and silver...I agree with both of you. Good points to bring up and correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't  Obama want to partner up with Calderon to build a superhighway from Mexico through the US and into Canada or has this already been started or completed?

And then don't they both want to partner with Canadian prime minister and combine all three countries?  I do know that this was being discussed not long ago.

Appreciate any information out there on this.


Buff said "The government must have a warrant based on probable cause and signed by a neutral and detached magistrate; or they need probable cause based on articulable suspicion to act this way.  They had neither, making what they did to this kid an unlawful search and seizure in violation of the Fourth Amendment to both the United States and Ohio Constitutions."


WRONG! The police can stop you based on suspicion of criminal activity. You can be questioned and you can be searched for the officers safety.  Read the laws. There were no laws broken here by anyone, period!


Hey 40, put down your 40 long enough to read carefully.  I said probable cause based on articulable suspicion.  That's what you said. 

If you took the time to read the story, this young man was singled out because he "looked Mexican", not because the officers had articulable suspicion of criminal activity.

I love it when people make my point for me because they don't really get it!


 Why dont all races come together and stand united. That is when and only when we will be able to overturn our government.  Lets get rid of all our documentation and personal information. EVERYONE take the license plate off their car(s) and refuse to show identification when asked. Everyone be encrypted on their phones and computers. I really dont see a lot of racism . What I do see is blacks shooting blacks, whites killing their family members , Mexicans .... well, uh, okay one mexican stabbed one mexican  at Don Juans . If we could first get along with our own race then maybe get along with other races ,we would be huge in numbers ! Okay, back to reality now. Just forget what I said. I am just joking.



It was simply the fact the he looked "Mexican"  that's why he was stopped. Did you ask the officers involved, or are you going off what is spued in this rag? Could he have been stopped because he was in a parking garage at 7:30 pm with other youth? Could the officer have been actually performing PROACTIVE police work by simply QUESTIONING this kid as to what is going on? Maybe Juan had answered a question or was acting in a manner that raised suspision with the officer which lead to him asking if he was legal.

Where is this crime that you speak of ? "They had neither, making what they did to this kid an unlawful search and seizure in violation of the Fourth Amendment to both the United States and Ohio Constitutions." How were his rights violated? If he was searched, I can bet it was for the safety of the officers, making sure Juan didn't have any weapons. Did the officers "Seize" any of his LEGAL posessions, or did they give it back to him when they were finished? If you are a lawyer and think Juan has a case, why not represent him pro bono?

The fact is, you know no laws were broken and just like to fan the flames to make yourself feel important. Get a life, or better yet a job!

Raoul Duke

Even if you factor out the illegal alien angle, unless he was actually doing something wrong, why would authorities have the right to stop him and check his ID anyway? The parking garage is open to the public, and people are encouraged to use it. At 7:30, teenagers are allowed to be out of their homes. And even if it were past the curfew, how would you feel if the police stopped you JUST because you look young, and you were actually 25?
If this young man was there to commit a crime, the mere presence of a uniformed police officer would have been enough to stop him. Police exist as a deterrent, and to respond to reports of crimes committed, not to interpret the law or to speculate that an individual is about to commit a crime and detain them.


He wasn't charged with a crime.  He was singled out because of the way he looked.  You don't have to be a scholar of the law to know that no one should have to be subjected to detention and interrogation when they have done nothing to raise articulable suspicion on the part of law enforcement. 

Why weren't the other people with him treated the same way?


The moment we give the people the rights to pull us over or stop us on the street due to our skin color.Is when our freedom stops.Yes I agree mexicans should come here legally.I'm totally for that.But also if we round up all the illegal mexicans and send them back,how many of their children will be left here because they are legal.I'm sorry that's more children in foster homes which our tax dollars pay.I may not be right in how I feel,but maybe the ones who have children here should get a chance to show they are doing the right thing and have the chance to become legal here.Yes 10 years ago it was way easier to become legal than it is now.I know an illegal who has tried getting his papers and yes he works and pays taxes plus he pays thousands of dollars trying to get these citizen papers which won't ever happen but he keeps appealing cause he has children here.His 8 year old daughter went to court in Cleveland with him cause the judge wanted to talk to her.After asking the little girl all the questions like does she love her daddy,he had the nerve to tell an 8 yr old child you don't need a dad who is illegal.Is it right to be illegal no but also start thinking about their children too.Trust me I watched this lil girl go home crying not understand why everyone hated her father cause of where he was born.Remember we are all Gods Children.

Julie R.

If a Cleveland judge really said that to an 8 year old child then I think somebody should be investigating the half-witted judge! Maybe give him a drug test or something........


Yes Julie and that is why I am torn between this .I have the biggest heart when it comes to children.So I understand both sides.If they want them to become legal then maybe they should make it easier.Paying thousands of dollars for the past 5 years to be told you're still going back to me seems like our government is crooked.They will except that money but still turn you away.


Maybe these illegals should be sent to Lady 1978 and Julie R's house so they can take care of them. That would be more taxpayer money free for something else.


 Hey ragtop66, Do you think I would qualify for food stamps and free lunches for my kid ,if I take on an illegal one?  Oops, there went that extra taxpayer money.  Oh well, I think they would be happier with Lady 1978 or Julie R. .Those women seem to be nicer than me. ( not being sarcastic, please dont delete me SR)


I  don't care if the children go back- they will be with  their parents, cash cows, though they are.  Besides,  that will be that much less WE will have to pay for.  It 's  high time  Mexico step up to the plate and  take care of their OWN  people. 

How  much more  can this country  effectively take care of????    U.S.  is too deep in debt to  Communist China as it is.


 Like I stated earlier..We have to show our IDs ANY time we are asked, for MANY different reasons!  Where are all you complaining when you are asked to show ID /papers for:

---Buying smokes....

---Buying beer/liquor...

---Entering certain establishments...

---Stopped at a "Random" DUI roadblock ( just driving along, minding your own business, show ID, proof of Ins., car searched,ETC...)

---Walking along the sidewalk at nite....

MANY other instances I have probably  forgotten....OH!!  How about buying ALERGY meds.!!!!


IF, American CITIZENS must consent to these indignities, WHY NOT the ILLEGALS?!


 iamrevolutionary says ,  " IF, American CITIZENS must consent to these indignities, WHY NOT the ILLEGALS?!"             I say .......  ,      " If ILLEGALS don't have to consent to these indignities, why should  American CITIZENS?!


Law enforcement cannot DEMAND your identification for no reason.  They need reasonable articulable suspicion that a crime is happening.  Further, these guys are FEDERAL agents.  They have no authority to enforce LOCAL and STATE laws.  This is a classic case of racial profiling. 

I, for one, am glad that the register printed this.  This is not Nazi Germany.  Our constitutional rights are slowly being washed away and most people don't even know it.  As Ben Franklin said "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. "


 You are right. Most of us don't realize we are losing our rights. I think we are programmed to just " go with the flow"  I wonder if there will be anyone left to even take to the concentration camps for NOT complying. I think, there will be a time when we will be micro chipped or ELSE.  Sorry, I got off topic. 


It's REALLY high time to take the emotions and religion OUT of this issue.


Look at it from  the   FINANCIAL    fallout,--  that alone should scare the crap out of you.   The collapse of hospitals, social services,  ....  if  you  all   don't think there are any...


Think again!!    In case YOU haven't noticed-- the United States is on the verge of economic collapse. 


If this boy had been a white    illegal   kid from Canada,  the Register would have NEVER covered it.   Amazing how they manipulated this story and photo op.


If this kid had been a white kid from Canada, this incident would never have happened!  He wouldn't have "looked illegal" and would never have been singled out, that is unless he was doing something wrong. 


napnap - You are correct, they ARE federal agents and have no authority to enforce local and state laws - but you are ALSO wrong! Immigration is FEDERAL law. Hmmm. Also, I was under the impression that everyone (obviously not babies and toddlers) were required to carry an ID with them of some sort. Isn't this one reason why we created the ID card for those who don't have drivers licenses? The "green card" this kid should have had on him, would have been his ID. You don't have to be suspected of a crime to be asked for your ID either. The Border Patrol is effectively enforcing immigration laws and have every right to ask someone doing nothing for an ID, just like the cops do while performing DUI roadblocks and many other things. Although noone here ever suggested that those kids were involved in any of the shootings in this city recently (and some have attempted to twist what was said to sound like there were), the fact that there ARE those shootings, I believe that the police, no matter what department they work for, has the right to check out people "hanging out" around town at any location, public garage or otherwise. When I was a kid, we used to "buzz" the avenue downtown (long long time ago) and routinely the cops would show up and tell us to get lost. We weren't doing anything wrong, but they were still allowed to do this. I think you can call it crowd control or something, I suppose. A small group of kids hanging out would be cause to check them out. Since it was Border Patrol and not the local police, I'm sure they were only interested in the one they actually had the legal power to question. I think it makes sense, and they need to continue to do the job they are getting paid for, because they aren't paid to fight crime in the cities, they are paid for basically one job only, protect our borders and be sure anyone here is legally allowed to be here. This they did, as I understand it. It has nothing to do with if this kid was a good kid or not, they don't know that, and they really don't care about that.


No one is required to carry an ID.  You need one to drive, buy alcohol, and some other things that an individual chooses to do, but there is no requirement that you carry one.

This kid didn't have or need a "green card", he is an American citizen. 

Federal agents do not have any more right to detain and question people without probable cause than local law enforcement do.


 HEAR... HEAR!!!!   STEVE!!!  Just what I have been trying to say!!  

Try walking around the block at the Cleve. Clinic sometime, around 1-2 am....Clearing your head about your wife/husbands'  health situation.....Have TWO cop cars pull up, cops get out, GUNS DRAWN, and DEMAND you ID yourself!!  THEN, they call up to the nurses' station on your spouses floor, to MAKE SURE you have a person there!!! WHILE you sit in a cop car HANDCUFFED!!!  

Then, when all checks out, you are told that you can ONLY stand in front of the hospital doors!!  

A WHITE, blonde hair, blue eyed person.....

EVERY ONE goes through some sort of PROFILING!!  You show your ID, and be on your way!!  DON'T LIKE it, but it is the way of the world now...( BTW..This event took place in 1997!!)


You can accept living in a police state if you wish.  I for one, will not.  If you settle for this atrocity, you're part of the problem.


i think we need a Brewer in this area.


We need something.

     We,  as a whole society  haven't done  ourselves,  any favors by letting this problem get out of control, nor the gangs,  or any of the  criminal activity, for that matter.

Have we?


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 Just 6 or 7 ? Better than fiftysum!


Good one,   katelih!! 


WOW I can not believe The Sandusky Register would even print a story like this, the title is even wrong and will only throw fule on the fire. The reporter only saying what "HE" say not what happened. I feel the officer did his job by checking a ID .Some of you people need to get a life. Again I can not believe this news paper would make a story about this with out knowing the full story. I will never pick up another Sandusky Register paper ever again knowing now how there reporters are. You should be ashamed.