Gay couple wins marriage fight

Ohio men given extension recognizing union
Associated Press
Aug 14, 2013


A federal judge on Tuesday extended a temporary restraining order preventing state authorities from enforcing their ban on gay marriage against two men who got married in another state as one of them nears death.

Judge Timothy Black extended his previous order, set to expire in less than a week, until Dec. 31, which will protect John Arthur and James Obergefell's marriage as their lawsuit against state and local authorities proceeds.

The order prevents authorities from recording Arthur, who's dying of Lou Gehrig's disease, as "single" on his death certificate and not listing Obergefell as his spouse.

The couple, who married in Maryland last month, sued to have their marriage recognized in their home state before Arthur's death so they can be listed as spouses on his death certificate and be buried next to each other on a family plot, located at a cemetery that only allows descendants and spouses.

The judge scheduled oral arguments in the case for Dec. 18 and will decide after that whether to issue a permanent order against the state to recognize the couple's marriage.

In an order last month, the judge wrote that the couple deserve to be treated with dignity and that historically Ohio law has recognized out-of-state marriages as valid as long as they were legal where they took place, pointing to marriages between cousins and involving minors.

According to a lawsuit, Arthur and Obergefell, both 47, say they've been in love for more than 20 years and "very much want the world to officially remember and record their union as a married couple."




It is a private cemetery. They can make their own rules. If you don't like it start your own cemetery!

The Answer Person

You need to get ALS and share your joy elsewhere.


They're following the rules of the cemetery. They paid for a family plot and they are a family.


I feel so sad for this couple. When is this discrimination going to end?!! Equal rights for all!!
And for those if you saying it's not discrimination, it most certainly is. If you are saying someone cannot legally marry someone because of their gender, that's discrimination!
If you don't believe in gay marriage, fine. But to prevent those who do believe in it from doing so is oppressive.

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1) Opposition to homosexual marriage is not discrimination.

not discriminate against
 Whatever a 
person’s sexual lifestyle choice, 
they are allowed to marry a member of the opposite

 allow someone 
 that is 

2) Homosexual marriage is not a civil rights issue.

They were born either male or female, their lifestyle is a choice each makes.

Truth is hate to those who hate truth.


God you are so ignorant.


and a bigot.

The Answer Person

And thanks for proving the current addage: Lifestyles are a choice. You choose to be an A__HOLE.


Same to you.



When did you choose to be heterosexual?

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Heterosexuality is not a so-called "sexual orientation". It is the way God created humans to function.

Romans 1:27

milf of 3

Well really its not a lifestyle they want to lead.the facts say it's that they are born with either too many male or female hormones,but I totally agree that leave marriage at least one thing left between man an women,if they want to be together then whatever!make there own marriage vowes an rights to be together not ours who honor, man an women !


Marriage is an overrated status anyhow. Heterosexuals have ruined it. Straight people can marry some 3 times their age for pure financial reasons, or how about the one that was married an entire 36hrs. And it's the gay community that's going to ruin the sanctity of marriage. If they want to marry, then let them. Just remember if you don't like gay marriage then don't have or go to one. Let them enjoy the benefits and consequences of marriage.


The vast majority of Homosexual couples want the same legal rights and protections afforded Heterosexual couples who are allowed to legally apply for and be awarded a valid marriage license.

I still contend our government needs to strike the word "marriage" from all federal and state laws and licenses & replace it with a naming convention such as "legal union", or words to that effect. Let religious organizations set their individual definitions for what constitutes marriage in their belief system.

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Our Father in Heaven, Creator of the universe, has already defined what constitutes marriage.

The U.S. Department of Justice's latest cause - fighting for a transgendered California ninth-grader's right to use the boy's room at school

“Eric Holder needs to reread the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and find out that civil rights are based on an unchangeable, immutable characteristic. You cannot change your genes or your gender. You have chromosomes and they are either XX or XY. This is a girl who has been environmentally warped to believe she is a boy, and, instead of coddling this confused child, her parents should have gotten her into counseling with an expert on gender confusion.”

The same is true for homosexuals, they are not born homosexual, they have been environmentally warped…


Thinkagain, you truly are ignorant if you don't know the difference between homosexual and transgendered. It certainly is gender discrimination if you (or anyone, including the government) say someone can't marry someone because of gender. The simple fact that people are trying to define marriage as between a man and a woman is discriminatory, and it won't be long before that definition is not allowed in any state. You also apparently are unable to distinguish between what marriage means in legal terms versus what it means in religious terms. And you know, there's that whole constitutional thing saying no one has to abide by your religious beliefs.
It will only be a matter of time before logical and reason overcome bigotry. Equal rights for all!

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If your inability to comprehend the written word is indicative of your overall intelligence…God help you!


Hahaha,,,you're funny. I'm sure my IQ scores and advanced degrees would speak otherwise. You are the one who brought up transgender when the topic was homosexuality. One can only draw the conclusion that either you don't know the difference, or don't know how to stay on topic.
You are a bigot who hides behind Christianity. You want all the laws in this country to represent your religious dogma. You want this country to be like a Christian Taliban. Problem is that's unconstitutional.
You don't think gay marriage is right. Fine. But you have no right to force that belief onto others, or to expect everyone else to believe the same. You don't want gay marriage--then don't have one!
By the way, I am a Christian, thank you very much! God helps me everyday! And just like with everyone else, their private lives are between them and those directly involved, and God. So let God habndle it and quit trying to be Him!

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If you’re a Christian, then my dog’s the pope.

By the way, Mensa called, they said your application was turned down. With your IQ, they recommend you keep your job as village idiot. ;)


Oh, and where do you get this environmentally warped stuff? Do you have any idea how ignorant that is?!

thinkagain's picture

Wow! Advanced degrees and still need me to explain common words?

Environmentally - the circumstances or conditions by which one is surrounded.
Warped - cause to become abnormal or strange.




I didn't ask you what environmentally warped meant--I asked where you got the idea that homosexuals are environmentally warped? There is absolutely no scientific data to support that. Oh nevermind--your brand of Christianity doesn't believe in science.

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True ignorance is believing homosexuals are born that way. The causes of homosexuality are attributable to man's sinful nature, nurture and environment.


We will never agree on sexual wants and desires as being innate or developed post birth due to nature and environment.

I have a good friend, male, who said he's been far more sexually attracted to men than women ever since he can remember. He's the 3rd of six children, with 2 brothers, 1 of them being older, and 3 sisters. He was raised in a warm, loving family. His mother and father recently celebrated their 65th wedding anniversary and still very much care about and love each other. My friend and his siblings were never without growing up. He is a tall, handsome, athletic male. He played numerous sports throughout his life. He was never sexually molested, nor did he ever witness men being affectionate towards each other as a couple. My friend related whereas he's also found women attractive, he simply always found other males more attractive and desirable, and just last week he celebrated 30 years in a committed relationship with one man. In short, there was absolutely nothing in my friend's family or environment growing up that one would think could have possibly influenced him to "be gay". My friend even said the same thing. His siblings, each of them heterosexual, all say the same thing. And my friend's male partner had a similar-type upbringing free of any trauma or turmoil.

I will admit that years ago when I was much younger, I too believed that homosexuals weren't born that way. Over time, because of friends such as the one I just wrote about, and in talking with both hetero and homosexual persons, I've come to believe a person's sexual wants, needs and desires are indeed innate. I honestly and truly don't believe my friend "chose" to be gay. Just as I don't understand how our loving God can allow for innocents such as His young children to be abused and tortured and killed, I don't understand how He can allow for some of His children to be sexually attracted to members of the same gender because, ultimately, those unions cannot bear the fruit of children. But who am I to judge? My friend and his partner very much care about and love each other. They have been faithful and true to each other in all of those 30+ years together. They adopted 2 girls when the girls were infants, and these two young women are now in college and each date young men. Neither of the young women are attracted to other women, in spite of growing up in a same gender parent household. And I accept all of this as part of the mystery and wonder of God. Ultimately, I simply trust in the Lord.

We disagree. I only hope you can and will agree to disagree. Peace and may God Bless you . . .

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You might be surprised to know that throughout my life I have known friends and acquaintances who were homosexuals. I could regale you with tales that would counter your touching story, but what would be the point? I agree to disagree.

Thanks for the debate!