Register analysis: Diversity lacking in Sandusky's police, fire departments

Few blacks, women, Hispanics and other races employed as public servants
Andy Ouriel
Aug 10, 2013

 

Sandusky is a pretty diverse city, with about one-third of the population comprised of non-whites. Plus women make up more than 50 percent of Sandusky's population.

Despite diversity throughout Sandusky, the city's police and fire departments are white-dominated organizations, according to a Register analysis of local and federal data.

Pick up Sunday's Register to read and view:

• An infographic depicting how many minorities and women work for both departments in the 1990s, 2000s and today.

• How the departments two leaders, both white men, feel about the trend of less diversity in their organizations.

• What the two chiefs believe the reason is for the departments becoming less diverse.

• How a local civil rights activist views the trend, and what he urges black firefighters and police officers to do in hopes of making each department more diverse.

• Interviews with white, black, Hispanic and women police officers and firefighters, gauging how they feel about diversity in these departments.

Comments

santown419

O boy here comes the racist material. The register is pushing racism . where is the usual idiots who always have anything concerning black people

BEHAPPY

Yep~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Here we go. Tired of all of the crying of racism

Buggers78

Shouldn't qualification come before anything else? I don't want preferential treatment because I am a girl! I'd rather see qualified people in positions rather than an equal mix of colors and gender!

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The Hero Zone

Correct. Gender, ethnicity, etc. != qualified. There is also the fact that you can yearn for diversity yet all reasonable candidates are of the same variable and you can't help that. So, unless there is a direct and proven practice of favoritism toward some variable having women, whites, or Hassidic Jews as window dressing is dangerous for the employer and extremely demeaning to the employee (that last point is a presumption but I know I would take offense if I was hired for some external quality only).

This was one of Milton Freeman's best points to illustrate why free markets are more than any other the most humane and diverse. Do you care about the race of the person who attached the door of your car? Do you care about the religion of the third-shift stockist at the grocery who put out the product you purchased? Do you stay awake at night fretting about the sexual orientation about the partner of your water meter reader?

When my break-in alarm goes off I don't request white officers, male officers, or Christian officers. I operate on the presumption they all meet their universal requirements and want the nearest one to help me. I think it is also a reasonable presumption that a male firefighter has no better aim with the fire hose because of his gender than a female.

Of course the qualifying tests must be reasonable, too, and based on objective needs that should be met in the course of duty whether in public or private service.

transplant

I know for a fact that I have been turned down for jobs I was highly qualified for because I am not young, skinny and pretty. It is very hard for a 50 something, overweight, homely person to find work if they have to interact with the public. Companies want beautiful people greeting their customers. I know how to dress appropriately. And yes, I have been offended because of that. So it isn't always true that employers are equal opportunity.

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The Hero Zone

Have you taken your grievance to a lawyer? If it is that severe you may be able to find someone to represent you and push on your behalf. Aside from that, "equal opportunity" isn't equal and never can be because it only focuses on results despite its name. Results can never be equal here. Ever. Equality of outcome when promised by law (and clearly failing) is cruel and deceptive no matter how well-inteded it was supposed to be.

Because of the infinite combinations of circumstances to a human beings where are the lines of protection drawn? I say this as a fellow big guy and someone who is not insensitive to your job searching!

transplant

Thank you sir. I cannot take this to a lawyer for two reasons. First, I can't afford it and second, the two people who were nice enough to tell me why I was passed up for the jobs could get fired. It is a big deal but not at the expense of these people. I will keep trying. Maybe not in Sandusky but there is bound to be someone somewhere who would hire me. I am qualified for several occupations.

pptrsha

same here

dorothy gale

Discrimination based on age and/or physical appearance DOES exist but is hard to prove. It is just as wrong and hurtful as any other form of discrimination. I am also a 50-something whose thin and cute days are long behind her.

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the unsilent ma...

When my break in alarm goes off I summon smith and wesson and mosberg. Totally off point I know but just thought id throw it out there

IT'S ME

That's what I was thinking, hire the most qualified person for the job. Who cares what race they are?

Carlos Danger

Just out of curiosity, what are the racial demographics of the employees of the Sandusky Register, specifically within the ranks of management/editors? Do they mirror the City of Sandusky's demographics?

registerer

I love it Carlos!

Wald

Great question. The "watchdog" needs a watchdog!

goodtime1212

Great question...

Erie Countian

That is one FANTASTIC question, Carlos! Love it! Let's see if you get a reply from anyone down there at the Sandusky "Instigator".

registerer

Matt, we are still waiting for your answer.

Carlos Danger

Could he be pleading the 5th Amendment, because the answer may be incriminating?

Fireside

I imagin Matt is at the sandbar today. Maybe he will respond Monday.

MrSandusky

When I worked for the Register (most of the 2000's) there were 3 African American Employees in the building. I believe we had a total of 86 employees at the time (not including van drivers). One of them even joked that he was there as a "token".

deertracker

I too think the most qualified should get the job as long as everyone has a fair shot!

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2cents

We agree. EQUAL opertunity!

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The Hero Zone

100% with you, deer!

Wald

This is an alert? Really? Now that the Perkins levy is over, it seems the Register is really struggling to find newsworthy stories for its reporters.

goodtime1212

got to go with you WALD. on this, shaking up drama ware there is none.

AEversole

What is being said is that if a white man and a black man of equal qualifications is applying for the same job, the black man isn't getting hired... or man, and women, ext.............I don't care what any of you say the proof is in the pudding. Look at any position of power in the area...90% white white and white.

Bottom Line

Nice general statement and random statistic you throw out there with NO facts to back that up. I can do that too.

If you're black you're 75% more likely to have an extensive criminal record than a non-black. That sounds good to me, therefore those are "the facts."

Justme...

I know people in the hiring business, and it is exactly the opposite. They prefer to hire persons of color and consider it a plus. But the applications are not there - just like in the police and fire department.

Yellow Snow

"Who said it's got to be fair?" Life isn't fair. I don't like the word diversity, l don't like filling a government quota for the sake of pacifying groups. It's not just about skin, personal preferences and male/female. They look at how you dress, your age, your credit rating, your background check. I should be able to apply as a unique number, do a phone interview where voice is scrambled so you don't know my personal specifics. If you're interested, test me with an independent company, where my personal identity information is still unknown. Still like me? I owe you proof as to education and experience. Sill like me? Hire me and you'll meet me Monday morning,

AEversole

Does that mean that no minorities that were qualified didn't apply, I don't think so......this country is built on racism and discrimination. We stole the land from the natives, on murder and lies. Then we make the blacks and Chinese slaves, where minorities were discriminated severely untill fifty years ago when it all went away.. yeahh right.. 1960's no blacks., back of the bus please. This is one racist hateful country that is founded on murder, lies, and cover up 's.

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The Hero Zone

I agreed with you in another thread but here I am going to dissent. If you carry that hatred and suspicion from a half century ago that is your burden alone to bear, not one you get to offload on others who left that stuff behind. Be very careful about lobbing accusations and blanket statements else you will very quickly find yourself the very thing you rightfully despise.

Ignorance will always be a part of society and we should work to keep it a bare minimum. Just as well, the benefit of the doubt should be given to humanity that we are always progressing as a society leaving behind clearly archaic policies. If you can't be optimistic about people (in the aggregate) your life will always be miserable and misanthropic.

I presume you don't want to live that way and neither do others who get dragged into it with broad nets.

The Big Dog's back

hero, why is the truth hatred to you?

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The Hero Zone

The stage is yours, sir, illustrate my ignorance. You have my attention and honest invitation to teach me and the others reading the comments. I am not even being sarcastic here. All I ask is that you are specific and avoid "it is how it is" or other nod-and-wink type statements. If I make a reasonable (if amateur) attempt at explaining both my thoughts and feelings by backing them up with citations, facts, or philosophical structure I ask the same in return.

This was my same frustration with Licorice Schtick in an earlier thread about the EPA and admittedly went overboard with sarcasm. You can't just flatly and wholly reject reasonable attempts at thought and not have the courtesy of explaining why the thought is wrong. It's as frustrating I imagine as not getting a job because you are black.

Again, the stage is yours. Please. Teach me.

The Big Dog's back

Aeversole explained history very well. It's not hatred. It's not suspicion. This is the way it was and in some cases still is. Remember, just because you don't experience something, or haven't had it happen to you doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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The Hero Zone

I agree that it was more prolific in the past. Additionally I have no doubt that it occurs today. The difference is that it isn't systematic today, it is in isolated though no more unfortunate incidents. The United States of 2013 is by far different culturally than 50-60 years ago. This is what aggravates me, that it isn't recognized that we have become a different society and will continually do so at an increasing pace due to social media.

Thank you for replying Big Dog, conversations are always appreciated. If there is more I am missing then fill me in. But I, for one, am tired of being dragged screaming back to a past I fully recognize as backwards, reject, and espouse to others to do the same.

deertracker

I have to agree with what a lot AEversole just posted. It is true appearance has a lot to do with one getting hired. When I was younger and searching for work, the employers were very enthusiastic about interviewing me until they saw me. You could literally see it on their faces. Yes, I was well dressed, well spoken and very qualified but the one thing I could not change was the color of my face. It was usually when I would apply for a management job. It really does happen but you just have to deal with it and move on. If you are overweight, not necessarily great looking, female or a minority it lessens your chances big time. I did eventually get management jobs and made sure not to subject ANYONE to some of the types of treatment I dealt with

Bottom Line

You are siding with someone who not only has the literacy (and apparently intelligence) of a 4th grader... but someone who presents no FACTS for their argument, as usual. Just like YOU always do. Anyone can post something they WANT to be the truth and then claim "these are the facts."

Being a WHITE man in the job force today is a DISadvantage, if anything. If you can't admit that you are even more ignorant than I thought you were, and that's saying a lot. If two relatively equal candidates are the finalists for a job and one is a black man and one is a white man who do you think is FAR more likely to get hired? The black man of course.

You probably didn't get hired simply because of your lack of brains and you were beaten out by someone more qualified. Hire the best candidate for the job I don't care if they're black, white, red, yellow or brown.

"If you want to end racism, stop making everything about race."
-Morgan Freeman

... but you just can't help yourself.

deertracker

I do not need to present facts to backup personal experiences. Being white is only a disadvantage in pro sports and that is based on performance. You actually have to perform to get hired in those jobs. Your attempts to insult my intelligence speaks volumes about you not me. You do not know me or my qualifications so your words are empty. It is ridiculous to think you can end racism by not talking about it. Morgan Freeman does not really believe that especially being from the south. I applaud his efforts to integrate a high school prom at his personal monetary expense.

SamAdams

Good point! Sports is, indeed, based on performance (as it should be). If we gave extra points to people based on skin color to get our professional teams "more diversity," what would that do to the teams? It would damage them, every single time.

So, here's the REAL question: If sports is based on performance, and we don't demand that more white guys get to shoot hoops, or more black men play pro hockey, why is it fair or reasonable to demand that ANY business (or school, for that matter) have more diversity on THEIR "team?"

Once again it's about qualifications. And just as skin color (or gender or religion or sexual orientation) doesn't make you an Olympic caliber skater, it doesn't make you a better cop, firefighter, or executive.

arnmcrmn

AEversole.....Hey chump, MOVE THEN!!!!!!!!!

goodtime1212

The Police and Fire dept. give test, they use to ( not sure if they still do ) Give extra points if you were minority. It never made any sense that someone with the right qualification would lose the job to someone with lower qualifications because they got extra points because of there race.

Cobbwebb12345

something to consider, and this was provided by a (?) state organization: The "cultural diversity" of Erie County and then the communities.

where I lived in California, the city and the large county was the seventh most culturally diverse city and county in the nation. I won't get all of them remembered, but I'll try: Caucasian 37 percent; Hispanic 33 percent; Southeast Asian 18 percent; Black 3 percent [This is a unique story] I wonder if our Congress knows anything about this?. Anyone interested, just ask in a blog anytime.

What cultures? I forgot a couple. How about Italians; Black; Portuguese(?sp) and two more.I'm drawing a blank. And my wonderful secretary taught me how to pronounce "Port-a-gee the "G" is a short gee, and it's spoken fast.

Here's a teaser These were large Asian families, there was usually one bedroom, formerly used by farm immigrants.

. The usual elderly parents could not speak or read English.
These groups of Southeast Asians annually allowed to come to the U.S. grew in numbers. The children, became brilliant students. Many times the top two graduating seniors were Asian.

Unfortunately, while this was a success story, the Hispanic students were dropping out of school, most in their sophomore(?sp.) However, it did improve. I worked hard to get a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

The owners of the local newspaper had a huge circular library constructed (The Lesher Library). Then a two-year college sprang up. The Hispanic students began to graduate more and more.

When the University began looking for a location for its tenth university...guess where it is! Yep! while I was involved heavily, I had to relocate before the decision was made. Three months later I got wonderful telephone call.

Michelle(sp) Obama was the first ever commencement speaker for the first graduating class of the University of California at "Merced."

In July of 1994, I became a member of the NAACP.

AEversole

I am white and haven't had to expiece them situations, but the statements are facts weather one or two generations ago or not....its not far fetched to think that if your grandparents owned a buisness that didn't hire blacks that it is very possible that them same charecters that these people grew up with have been instilled in there behavior that is effecting the very issue at hand, weather sub consciously or not

AEversole

Racism is still a very real issue that people try to act like it is all in the past.... tell that to the black man that has his BA degree and is continualy passed up or underpaid and under appreciated due to the color of his skin

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The Hero Zone

Once again you are being broad and vague, trying to turn specific (but no less sad) instances into a universal standard. Who is specifically being disenfranchised this way? What is the name of the employer? When did this occur on each of the instances? What is the conclusive support that it was only because of the color of skin did this occur?

I certainly can believe it happens, and it is a tragedy, but you perpetuate the negativity by painting people with broad brushes as victims or criminals and I am not sure which is worse. You may as well just accuse me of this practice since I am in a position to hire people. Are you accusing me of this practice? If so that is unfair and unjust to cast your prejudice like that. Do you see how damaging your comments are?

We may as well euthanize ALL pitbulls right now because someone somewhere at some time in some place was bitten or killed. I feel badly it happens, but by no means does that incident mean that the entirety of reality is formed from that disappointing instance.

I understand your general thoughts and don't discount your passion, but they way you convey it is highly insulting and saddening. I ask you in good faith, then, what is your solution? Do we need to get rid of white people? They seem to be the reason any of this exists being the only ones at fault in your examples. When, according to you, will this end and how?

deertracker

Actually Hero, he is just telling it like it is! It is just true. I used to tell my kids what to expect but always be the best they can be. Of course we don't need to get rid of white people or anyone else but we do need to rid ourselves of stereotypes and just focus on fairness. All blacks don't want to work in the kitchen. We do have many other skills!

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The Hero Zone

What you told your kids is absolutely correct. There are always bad interactions and ignorant situations in life. Just as you would want to caution them about what to look for on the road when driving. But, especially in today's world, the culture no longer accepts or excuses unfair behavior universally. Maybe there are pockets of die-hards that are clinging on bitterly to days gone by, but that I would argue is the exception to the rule more and more and more. They aren't getting any younger and those ideas aren't getting any more popular - we are fortunate for that!

My issue though was taking individual incidents and painting vast swathes of people with it as if it was the rule. If I don't discriminate as a shopkeep how many other shopkeeps also don't discriminate? One? Two? Almost all of them? In which case that completely debunks the comment but the negative residue of that presumption was left behind that (generalizing the point, not quoting) "all shopkeeps discriminate against people actively".

Vigilance is always going to be necessary. I think there is a founding fathers quote about that, but in more contemporary terms we need to watch out for when that unfair practice crops up so it can be corrected, but life should be lived out of the shadow of suspicion, fear, and as you said stereotypes.

I admire you deertracker. While we may disagree on some political issues I always pay attention to what you say. From what I have gathered of your life here as you present it (and correct me if I am wrong please) you eventually came to own your own restaurant in adulthood and recently got out of the business or retired? You did so supporting a family and while also obviously paying attention to what's going on in the world. From your username I also presume you enjoy hunting? I have never been but would love to do so sometime. I talk to the hunters who come into my shop and it always sounds like a great time. What's not to like about that?!

deertracker

Your comments are appreciated, however, I chose not to pursue ownership because of too many things not within your control yet you need them to succeed. You are correct in assuming I raised a family but I absolutely would never hunt. I feel as those animals have a right to live also. Unless they are bothering me, I have no real issue with wildlife and don't enjoy killing! I used to live on Deer Track Trail in Norwalk and a friend started calling me deertracker!

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The Hero Zone

Ooooh well that makes sense, and it was a good story too. Thank you for telling it to me. It is interesting learning what goes into a person's online handle. If you don't mind my asking, what was required of/from you that made it unattractive? Sharing business stories is also a point of interest.

arnmcrmn

I was discriminated against in college 2x's. Once in undergrad when I had to fork over the entire amount for my education while anyone with a 1/16 % of color in their family line got a HUGE amount discounted.

Happened again in grad school.

Born and raised lower middle class. Worked since I was 13 years old, had daily chores, responsibilities but Im not complaining. I worked hard for what I have and didn't rely on someone else to give me something I didn't deserve.

deertracker

Several things actually. Controllable expenses vs. Uncontrollable expenses is the big one but it is really difficult to find good honest help. At one business I was a manager at had extremely hard times hiring dishwashers. It got so bad we were paying cash to people right off the street and they would work long enough to make a few bucks then take off. It was disastrous. I admire those that try to make it but it really is hard work and hard to be successful in any business. We were doing 30k per day the first year and it was just crazy. Enough of that. I never saw my kids, had no life and just wanted something different. Twelve and fourteen hour days got old for me too. On the bright side, I met lots of good people, learned a lot, helped a tremendous amount of people, especially young workers, and really enjoyed watching others enjoy my product. It was great but enough of that! LOL!

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The Hero Zone

I understand the long days. My father did the restaurant business for a while and it is exactly as you say. I talk to the food service people who come into my shop often, too. Good help is hard to find ESPECIALLY in that industry. For as long as you were in it and helping others on either side of the counter, thank you. Stories like yours help keep my spirit kindled especially on those really bad days.

The Big Dog's back

hero, you seriously need a lesson in American history.

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The Hero Zone

I will take that lesson if you agree to study Current Events. Fair deal and an opportunity for us to teach each other something.

The Big Dog's back

hero, your lack of history shows in your posts. You feel if you don't have 1st hand experience with something, it either didn't happen or couldn't have happen. What current events would you like me to study?

AEversole

Expierence or how ever this auto correct wants to spell it

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2cents

(Diversity lacking in)

That comment would be interesting in major league sports, lets see, hmmmm : )

KURTje

S.R. you forgot prior military experience.

Julie R.

Come to think of it, there aren't any black judges in Erie County, either. Are there any black attorneys? If so, I've never heard of any with the exception of the one I read about in the infamous Krista Harris case. Can't think of his name but I believe he was Harris's attorney before Elsebeth Baumgartner. Didn't he get disbarred by the worthless Ohio Disciplinary Counsel (i.e. chief justice Moyer) just like Baumgartner did?

DickTracey

Sandusky hired a female police chief. That turned out to be an expensive DISASTER!

Sandusky hired a female city manager. That is turning out to be an expensive DISASTER.

I'd say that just proves, you're better off just over paying a smart white guy to get the job done right, the first time.

Julie R.

Blaming the expensive DISASTER of the Nuesse case on the fact that she was a FEMALE .... and your prediction that it's going to be an expensive DISASTER because Sandusky hired a FEMALE city manager is beyond ignorant. You probably even blame the Huron River Greenway property owners and the taxpayers for the very expensive MetroParks DISASTER --- the one your county public officials thought for sure they were going to win.

deertracker

Agreed!

AEversole

Dick Tracy u r the man........lol

AEversole

Hero u r right about the hasty generalization and I agree. I feel like you could possibly be one of the few intelligent people that post.

AEversole

Hero u r right about the hasty generalization and I agree. I feel like you could possibly be one of the few intelligent people that post.

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The Hero Zone

I appreciate the compliment but whether or not I am smart is completely up to you and on a case-by-case basis. I don't have the ability to call myself that, especially when there are others who may very well think otherwise for their own reasons. Which is fine. Nobody can be all things to all people. I'm glad that you realized some patience with your words and were willing to ask questions and look at the bigger picture.

margaritaville88

Matt..agree with all your posts 100% !! Thanks for trying to tell the truth, but some will never accept it or their duties as citizens, parents, etc.....just sayin

phroggy

Nothing screams racism quite like hiring someone strictly for their color. Of course, qualifications mean absolutely nothing anymore.

deertracker

I agree. Do not hire me just because I am black!

Tru Grit

Couple of thoughts....

1. Racism sadly will never die its been around centuries before us and will continue centuries after us.

2. I'm a young 25 year old and my perspective of why a African American, Hispanic, or any other race but white should get an advantage because they were held back by the "man" if you will is injustice itself. It's 2013 don't let the past define you, only let it make you better.

3. I work in corrections for the state of ohio, whites in my facility are not the majority.

4. It is truly sad the SR made this such a huge topic.

5. If you believe in evolution then we are all from the same seed.

6. I'm a firm believer that if you feel strongly enough about something you will do whatever it takes to make a change. If there is not enough diversity in sandusky a PD & FD someone stand up and demand change.

The Rudy

Years ago I was tested and interviewed and turned down by a skilled trades labor union because they weren't "currently hiring white males". I was shocked and furious. I don't use the misnomer "reverse discrimination"-because discrimination is discrimination- and Jessie and Al weren't concerned enough to help. My best revenge has been that years later I have the choice of hiring firms that use this union's workers. I don't use them. They can kiss my anatomy. But it still isn't right. Where's my newspaper headline?

Yellow Snow

I too, was "shot" twice. I tested and hired in at a government department in Sandusy. I tested and scored highest for a job opening within the department. When I applied for that job I was told no, we need black female. Several years later, applied at one of Sandusky's automotive companies, was told yet again, no, we're not hiring whites.
I eventually hired in and worked at a factory as a salaried person. One day I got a letter telling I was to attend a meeting. Looking at the other names on the list, I didn't understand why my name was included, but I went any way, my name was on the list. It ended up the meeting was for HR and higher company officials, which I was neither. We were told we had a problem, not enough minorities. It was also said blacks were offered a higher wage than white, but they still didn't accept the offer. By now, I recognized I had been accidentally invited, when they took a break, I didn't go back.

The Rudy

Also, Matt, was the number of qualified blacks, women, Hispanics and other races compared to the number of qualified whites ( because that's what this is about) chosen to be employed as public servants?
No favoritism should go in ANY direction in the hiring process, was that investigated? If 10 qualified whites apply and 1 or 2 qualified blacks, women, Hispanics and other races apply is it unfair simply because one of the non- blacks, women, Hispanics and other races weren't hired?

Stop It
Webster

Why isn't the lack of diversity for Erie County being brought up? How many minority sheriffs deputies are there? How many minorities are there in other county agencies including upper management? Are any of the county commissioners key appointees minorities? Why always trashing the city and ignoring the county? How many qualified minorities apply with the city and county? What is the diversity in the employment of this newspaper including management?

SamAdams

I am beyond sick and tired of the "diversity" claims and/or accusations. It isn't about "diversity." It's about QUALIFICATIONS!

Seriously, if your house is burning and you're trapped inside, do you want to be rescued by the burly white firefighter that had no problem passing the physical tests? Or would you prefer the little woman who had the test criteria lowered because she was female and so can't carry even HALF your body weight?

If you're being attacked in your home by bad guys, do you want the black cop who scored in the top percentile on the firing range? Or do you want the white woman — hired because the police department "needed" another woman to fulfill "diversity" requirements — who has to take the test three or four times to pass every time?

It's easy enough to say I want the white guy in the first instance, and the black guy in the second. It has nothing to do with the fact that either is a man or has skin tone of one shade or another. It has to do with the best man (or woman) for the job!

Does discrimination still occur? Sure. Is it okay? No, never. But that means the discrimination of "diversity" is just as evil as any other kind of discrimination. Shame on all of those on EITHER side of the discrimination divide!

YoMamma

You see Matt is not on here with the SR diversity answers! BTW... don't count the paper carriers Matt!!!

starryeyes83

Personally , I would prefer getting carried out of a fire by a big man who can perform a "fireman's carry" with no trouble - not a woman who was hired because they were forced to prove something like "diversity".

I am only speaking on that particular occupation.

Just my little ole' opinion.

The Big Dog's back

I've seen some pretty "burly" females.

starryeyes83

Does that mean they can carry people over their shoulder? If so, are they working in the fire department?

Another thing, I didn't mean a man whose beer gut is so big he can't move.

Webster

That was you looking in a mirror.

SamAdams

Good point. I don't suggest that women shouldn't be firefighters. I'm just saying that the tests — which are in place for a REASON — shouldn't be "dumbed down" or include lesser standards to compensate for "diversity." If you can pass the tests, fine, you're on the potential hires list with the top scorers at the top of the list. That means male, female, black, white, whatever.

But if you can't pass the tests, go find something you CAN do! You do not have the "right" to be a firefighter any more than you have the "right" to be a beauty queen. You either meet the requirements or you don't.

VOTENO

SANDUSKY REGISTER: Is the Perkins school system diverse? How many minorities are in administrative positions in Perkins schools? Can you call Gunner and ask him?

deertracker

PHS was very racist back in the day!

VOTENO

Are they still? How diverse are they?

deertracker

I'm old now so I really do not know!

Yellow Snow

Where's Matt?

BabyCakes

Quick Shinequia! Take off your fake nails and undo that weave, looks like you can be a firefighter now!

pptrsha

I hear you using the 1960s as an example of racism. are you even old enough to be in the 60s? I am a child of the 60s and the racism YOU THROW ON EVERYONE IS NOT QUITE TRUE. MILITARY BASES WERE INTEGRATED. we played with went to school with lived with married had children with people of every race and nationality. your commanding officer might be black, brown, or white. you only cared about rank. I lived at ft bragg for the 60s and 70s. if you check Fayetteville n.c. the STUDENTS integrated without violence. they marched for peace. some of the people I love most in my life ask me about the color of our skin I tell them some of us are pink some are brown and some are black and white. our family has all the colors and then I give them a big hug and a kiss.a little white girl asked my grand daughter how she got such a great tan then they went back to their slumber party.

The Big Dog's back

Another "if I didn't experience 1st hand it didn't happen person".

deertracker

@pptrsha
The 60's and 70's were still pretty tough for minorities but I too have all colors in my family. Two of my children are biracial and were pretty much disowned by their white side but it never bothered them, it educated them. I laugh out loud when some on here constantly refer to me as being a racist. I've learned that kids just want to be kids and have fun. Racism is and always will be a learned behavior. If you want to tackle racism, teach your kids about fairness and set the example of being a productive person!

CAPNTIM50

I was career Firefighter from southwest Ohio for many years. Also the same in the U S Air Force. There I attained the level of Station Chief. Put in 12 years in the USAF.
I worked with all races, and genders with no issues. My now ex wife was a career firefighter.
I don't care what color you are, or if your male or female. If you pass the exam, and the physical testing, you deserve to be there. If you have a problem with that, your in the wrong business. There are Fire/EMS jobs that best suite men, and Fire/EMS jobs that best suite the women. We help each other out.
I'm not always going to be able to pull, drag that person that is taller, or bigger than me. And neither is a woman. We do the best as we can. We work with a partner, and get the job done. We're taught even if alone, how to egress the best and safest way with a rescuee.
No one, and I mean no one should dictate to on how many men, women, blacks, pinks, greens should be in departments or businesses.
Extra points should be given for Military service. Prior Fire service education. And that's about it! Keep it simple.

Restless1

How not to get a job. Oily unwashed hair, wrinkled clothes, flip flops on your feet, tattoos, multiple piercings, neighborhood slang,
odd colored hair or style inability to fill out an application per instructions and uncontrollable weight. And you want to talk about race?

timary

Well I want equal representation in the NBA too....not enough white fellas...

JUST JOKING. STOP THE RACIST CRAP!

Dont Worry Be Happy

I think the Register needs to call and talk to someone at the Sandusky career center and find out how many minorities go through the Police academy that takes place here in Sandusky.

I can bet ya in the last 5 years there has been a hand full. If this is true then that means the minorities are not applying for these jobs.

So why does the Register, our hometown paper need to continue to make our hometown look bad and cause fights between races in our community. Do your research before putthis garbage out there for people to read.

I can't see how any Police Chief can possibly give you an answer to why there are not more minorities being hired when they don't go through the accademy.

BabyCakes

EXACTLY! I'm sure they won't bother to do that though. EHOVE police academy doesn't have minorities either, it's always white boys and maybe a white girl here and there.

The Big Dog's back

Things get so much better when you don't talk about them. Sarcasm.

TuffNutts2011

I REALLY would like to know how many non-white males applied for these jobs and weren't hired. If they didn't apply then what the heck are we talking about it for.

totallyamazed

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DANGER!..Will ROBINSON..DANGER!

Sandusky lacks diversity! Please, go find some real news to report. Here's some news to report on, Sandusky has @ 60% rental property...isn't that against the law?

Please, someone with a good one line response respond to this, telling me I hate low income folks, minorities, or some other farce.
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Julie R.

Like.

arnmcrmn

My relatives that came over by boat a long long time ago were no different than slaves. They were stuck in crappy areas of the town. Hardly had running water, crappy electric, and worked in very dirty conditions with poor pay for the Europeans that came over here and were in control of everything.

They rose up however. They didn't blame anyone else. They worked together, worked hard, invested and over the years rose to become a very prominent class in American. Italian Americans had it pretty bad at the start.

deertracker

I have to correct you. You can't really compare the two situations because slaves had to obey their master, weren't allowed an education, also had to endure crappy living conditions, beatings, hangings, and complete degradation. I'm sure your relatives were considered whole people!

Centauri

There were many white slaves in America. History books in the classrooms seem to exclude them.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the...
"The Irish Slave Trade – The Forgotten “White” Slaves"

http://www.revisionisthistory.or...

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.p...
"Yes it is true, there was white slavery--even here in America. This was not only in the country's infancy, but lasted until the end of the Civil War when all slaves were freed."

dorothy gale

I have seen several requests in this comment thread regarding "diversity" at the Register. So far no response. It is a very good point, a fair request, so why no response?

registerer

OHHHHH MATT, WE ARE STILL WAITING!!!!!!!

OH-IO

If diversity isn't found in a city you make it happen. That's the world we live in. If you don't you can expect some serious discourse for the large amounts of black here that aren't represented. Period. If their not applying then you recruit minorities. Oh let me guess? Your in a town that doesn't agree with that. Then your in a racist chickenshi) town lost in time and in hell with a gasoline jacket on. You can say what you want on this site but if it hits the streets your not coming outside. Anybody can leave comments.

Nemesis

"make it happen"

The cry of fascists everywhere.

Julie R.

What about the "diversity" at the corrupt Erie County courthouse?

Dont Worry Be Happy

Julie...get a life, please!

registerer

The silence from the powers to be indicates that the SR must lack a balance of minority hiring.

Erie Countian

I agree! Kind of like the pot calling the kettle... er, never mind!

dorothy gale

Yep. No answer IS the answer.

Truth or Dare

Was listening to a WCPZ radio advertisement regarding the Maritime Museum and all their new upgrades. The spokesperson mentioned all of the material they have for Sandusky's "hidden history" regarding the Underground Railroad. Her words, not mine. Hidden is right, just like the discrimination throughout this city and county is kept hidden, and please don't kid yourselves in thinking it's all just a race issue. Just study the real history of America, not just the parts they re-wrote to teach us in school.

8ballinthesidepocket

Before everybody gets their hair on fire about this, once again the Regisslur only reports on half the story. How about some statistics? How many minorities applied? Passed the test? Placed higher than some other applicant that got the job instead of them? Let's see some factoids before you blow the race card whistle. Note to AEversole... if you don't like it here LEAVE!!! Your head is buried in the past...too bad.

registerer

8ball..You are right in asking the question of just how many people applied for some of these positions. How many minorities actually applied, 1, 2, 6, 10?? If no or very few minorities apply then this whole article is tainted.

Dont Worry Be Happy

As I brought up in my post calling the Register out, look it up!

rezzy

I would love to see how many non-whites applied for the positions. PLEASE somebody publish that information. Please!