Perkins Schools to try for levy third time this year

Board members place identical levy on November ballot, appoint Chris Gasteier as Meadowlawn Intermediate School principal
Alissa Widman Neese
Aug 7, 2013

 

Perkins Schools is going back on the ballot.

At a meeting this morning, school board members approved placing a 10-year, 6.73-mill emergency operating levy on the November ballot. The deadline to place the issue on the ballot is this afternoon.

The proposed levy is identical to the levy that failed Tuesday, with 54 percent voting against it.

Also at the meeting, board members agreed to appoint Perkins Schools communications director Chris Gasteier as principal of Meadowlawn Intermediate School for the upcoming school year.

Dean Stanfield, the school's former principal, was appointed Perkins High School assistant principal to fill a vacancy after Nick Neiderhouse, former Perkins High School assistant principal, resigned this summer for a job at Maumee Schools.

Pick up a copy of tomorrow's Register to hear reactions about the levy's failure from community members who attended Wednesday's meeting.

Note: This post has been modified to reflect it will be an emergency levy. 

Comments

Nemesis

Actually, Edwin, it would be more like putting money down on a new house, then going to your employer and telling him you need a raise because you can no longer pay your bills - just as bad.

The Perkins school board has something in common with every rapist in the country - they don't understand that "no" means NO.

jmgthatsme

INSANITY: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result. HEY PERKINS...STOP BEING INSANE and come up with a "Plan B" that more than 50% will support!!!

citizen

So true.

Pirate Mom

The perkinslevy.com is still there. Was something removed from the site? While I agree with many points made by people who did not support the levy, I am appalled by any analogy being made between rapists and our school board members. Is this levy subject so bad that people will make this connection to inflame emotions even more? I can't comprehend this vitriol. I also can't imagine that anyone would want to join this much maligned group with this kind of malevolence.

VOTENO

The same can be said for your group.

Pirate Mom

The group to which I was referring is the school board. If you equate them to rapists, why would anyone want to serve our community in this capacity?

fifteenthgreen

Agree, the analogy and reference should not be used and removed.

Pirate Mom

Thanks 15. I think we need to get back to center here.

Bherrle

I agree.

Centauri

"The perkinslevy.com is still there. Was something removed from the site?"

Yes, all of the information was deleted for about a day. Last that I looked, it was back up again.

Nemesis

Pirate Mom, there was no analogy, simply the observation that they share failure to grasp the same basic concept. Why would people want their sons to be educated by people who don't understand how to take no for an answer? The board's modus operandi the same as in date-rape - when told no, keep pushing, require the denial to be repeated over and over again, until resistance is worn down and you get what you want.

Pirate Mom

The group to which I was referring is the school board. If you equate them to rapists, why would anyone want to serve our community in this capacity?

Nemesis

Because any equating relates to the INDIVIDUALS currently sitting on the board and their CONDUCT, not the mere office of being a board member.

People called Nixon a crook - did that stop Carter from running?

WesTaylor

Do NOT call board members "educators." They are simply elected officials to deal with the day-to-day operations of the district.

Nemesis

Nonetheless, they are in charge of educating the district's children, which makes their lack of ethics troubling.

VOTENO

Wes Taylor is a moron

beborcott

The Erie County Board of Elections has confirmed there was an issue.

underthebridge

what is the issue?

fifteenthgreen

I have a problem with student athletes working for the AD in 3 hour shifts driving Vets to the polls from the OVH that didn't have a clue what they were even voting for? Many Veterans thought they were voting for a Presidential election. Some thought they were there to sing to them. They were sadly confused as to why the students were there. Even the students felt uncomfortable and thought it was completely wrong to be there! Unethical and sick in every way! What lesson is being taught with these kind of practices? Who coordinated and authorized such a demented action?

Wald

Are there going to be any kind of repercussions? What is the official word from the Board of Elections?

fifteenthgreen

A fine line is being drawn here!

citizen

This should be red meat for the local media.

The Perkins AD having student athletes taking people from the OVH to the voting booths to go vote, when one student athlete has stated the residents of the OVH didn't know there was a levy and many thought they were voting for a new U.S. President.

And we have silence from Westerhold's gang.

Wald

I wonder if the Register is going to bury this story. Their silence on this would speak volumes.

Centauri

I figure that the Sandusky Register will bury it. A former township police chief was referred to as a "farmer" and not a former police chief in a Sandusky Register story in a past news story.

The area powers that be control what the Sandusky Register reports or not report.

How about this video with the related comments referring to the Perkins School levy? It still have the Knute Rockne title heading.

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...
"VIDEO: Get the Knute Rockne magazine in Sunday's Register"

Matt Westerhold

Thanks Centauri, but if "the area powers that be" control what the Register newsroom covers then they are doing it by telepathy. Do you have their phone numbers; we'd like to get comment. 

VOTENO

Hi Matt. I am a Veteran and if the comments are true about what went on with the OVH residents, I am extremely saddened by this. I'm not mad, I'm sad. I can't believe this is true. Would the Register please dig into this? I truly hope this is not true. Some day I will be living there and I hope that this never happens to me or anyone else. Thank you for your time Matt.

nonicork

I witnessed it firsthand and unfortunately I have to say it is true! I am for the schools and voted yes because of my children only - not because I want to pay more taxes. I volunteer at OVH weekly and was embarrassed to have a Perkins shirt on that day when I saw what was going on! In defense of some of the kids, they did help transport them to other activities later in the day which was a HUGE help to us. It would really be nice to see them come back again to help for an OVH activity not voting!!!

VOTENO

Nonicork, thank you for what you do day in and day out for our Veterans. It takes a special person to do what you do. Although we have a different opinion on the levy, we are both proud residents of Perkins Township. We both agree that what went on is extremely disgraceful. I plead with you to contact Mr. Westerhold and tell him what you saw. If I knew this was going on I would have gone over there immediately. Not sure what I could have done, but as a fellow Veteran to these men and women, I would have tried to do something. This has to be one of the lowest moments in Perkins Schools history. This is one of the saddest moments in my personal voting history. I can't believe our current administration had any knowledge of this. If they did, they should be ashamed of themselves and should resign immediately. There is no need for this type of behavior. How could anyone involved with teaching our children be involved in this type of behavior?

BooBeeDo

VOTENO:I spoke with an employee at the Board of Elections today hoping that it was just a rumor. I was deeply saddened to find out that there was indeed an issue regarding vets being transported(by Perkins students) to the polls that could not recite their own name and had to be turned away.
I am assuming that these vets have some sort of legal guardians and should have been contacted for consent before this ever happened. I am betting they were not.
Jim Gunner should have these coaches involved to either resign or be fired. If this is the representation and guidance that we want to show Perkins students then we have a real problem. I hope that Jim Gunner was not aware of this.
Our veterans at the OVH should be treated as heroes,men that served our country proud. Treating them as pawns for a YES vote is a travesty and should not go unpunished.Hopefully, we will see if it is investigated by the Sandusky Register.

beborcott

I would not put anything past this administration.

VOTENO

Boo, I am ashamed to call myself a Perkins Pirate after reading this. Where were the parents? Why did the OVH let this happen? So anyone can go there and just take these Veterans out of nursing care as they please??? This is unbelievable! Whoever was involved in this should be fired! They should resign and hang their heads in shame! Was the AD involved? I always looked at him as a great person. I hope he wasn't involved.

REGISTER: Please investigate this!

If I was a reporter I would be all over this!

beborcott

The AD's head is/was on the chopping block if the levy didn't pass. I'm sure he didn't want to bite the hand that feeds him....

Centauri

"REGISTER: Please investigate this!"

I agree. Though legal due to Ohio's stupid laws, those involved should be named. It reflects on their character. These veterans deserve respect.

Remember the Golden Rule and EMPATHY.

For shame on those who exploited these veterans or nursing home residents for a few extra votes. For shame on all of the perpetrators.
Report their names so that they can hang their heads in shame.

citizen

I am so disheartened to hear that Mike Strohl, Perkins AD, forced student athletes to transport OVH residents to the polls to vote.... when some of these veterans didn't even know their own name.

Confirmed by an employee of the OVH and of the Board of Elections.

Westerhold- didn't you just call the Register a "watchdog" in your endorsement video of Perkins Schools levy? Are you going to look into this at all?

So disappointed.

fifteenthgreen

Thank you for your service to our Vets and your honesty, Nonicork! Oh, and the kids do want to come back more often. Some tried Tuesday to make the day not about the election and simply enjoy spending time with those that have so many stories to tell. There is hope in our youth!

fifteenthgreen

Girls HS basketball team was one three hour shift that didn't want to be there. Any liability issues with kids driving veterans or anyone to vote?

fifteenthgreen

They've done it in past levy campaigns, as well. I'm sure they're within their rights but to me, it is immoral and embarrassing to say the least.

swimfan

If you look at the election results, 21 voted for the "levy" and 5 voted against. Too bad the vets were misinformed about what they were voting for. Do we really want to teach our children this???
Great schools we have!!!

fifteenthgreen

Right. To me it's not about the results of their right to vote, Yes or No. I'm with the kids on this one. What are we teaching them? Many didn't feel right. Some refused. I would give folks an avenue to call if they want a ride and exercise their right, but without the unnecessary pressure.

VOTENO

Embarrassing for sure. What message does this send to the kids? Were these kids parents aware of what they were up to? What is wrong with the PARENTS? That's the real question! It all starts at home! If my kid was asked to do this or told to do this I would be climbing all over someone's desk!

VOTENO

This is the respect we show our Veterans???

VOTENO

Thank you for going there in November! Let's not forget the other nursing homes in the Township! How sad we have to do this. So sad.

nonicork

As I said, there were some students (most of which were 9th graders)that really helped a lot with transporting the Vets to and from bingo (which by the way is their favorite thing to do) and also sat with the ones who needed help. I know some of their dads were there also and helped take them back to their rooms also! Their help with these sorts of activities are ALWAYS welcome and appreciated!! The Vets LOVE young people and enjoy it very much when they spend time with them. I truly hope to see these kids again and more just like them!

Rosa

C'mon,most 9th graders are not even 16 yet or are driving on their own....unless they have failed a year.

beborcott

You might want to scoop up the story first, Matt. WOIO has already been informed.

observer

Keep us updated, please?

beborcott

I will. I would advise others who would like to see this brought to light and not buried to contact them as well. Contact information is at this link: http://www.19actionnews.com/cate...

beborcott

The Board of Elections confirmed it via telephone.

On a side note, I wonder what the legality is of a student driving those from the OVH around? Who would be held liable if something were to have happened to the vets they were driving?

Bherrle

Bebercott,

OVH is it's own precinct, Perkins #5. OVH residents vote at OVH. The volunteer help provided was merely to get those who wanted to vote, and who needed help, from their room to the poll location inside the OVH building.

Students were not driving our Veterans anywhere.

Centauri

"Unethical and sick in every way!"

I agree, it reminds me of Chicago politics.

For shame on those who were responsible.

The New World Czar

The Ohio Legislation has introduced HB 237, the bill to repeal Common Core standards from the State of Ohio.

I hope all candidates for the school board positions can give a clear stance of where they stand on this topic.

Centauri

Some things to think about:

NIMBY - Not In My Back Yard

Is there an acronym for "Not With My Money" ??

Remember the word EMPATHY and know what it means.
http://greatergood.berkeley.edu/...

There were some comments made about wearing Perkins School attire to the voting places. Perhaps these links might explain it more. Maybe not.

http://www.toledoblade.com/Polit...
(11/5/2012)

http://www.wwltv.com/news/strang...
(April 11, 2011)

I have limited time to post comments here. Both sides will need to help out with TRUTHFUL information.

If cuts are made, will only the fat and waste be cut?

Last that I looked, I saw four "double dippers" employed by the Perkins Schools. Do know that eventually these double dippers will truly retire some day and somebody will need to take their places. Look at some of the positions in the school. Are they really needed? Schools are about teaching and learning.

Somebody mentioned that the Perkins Schools should be compared to the schools in Port Clinton (Ohio) and Oak Harbor (Ohio).

Compare all three schools and find the differences.

EZOB

Centauri,
The figure I read someplace for 2012 wa something like an extra 13,000, don't quote.

EZOB

Bherrle,
I'm a NO voter and will continue on that path. I am for the schools so here is My suggestion: I might not be informed about school matters but I know My way around the State House quite well and I'll share in the cost of the many trips to Columbus. We need our State Rep. (Chris Redfern) or State Senator (Randy Gardner) to back a bill to change the way Ohio funds our schools. It can be introduced in the House or Senate and it doesn't necessarilly have to be introduced by one our Politicians. Now if Gunner really does have aspirations of being on or heading the state school board this would look excellent on His Resume. The ball is in your court. I know it won't happen over-night but this levy isn't passing anytime soon either.

VOTENO

EZOB, I wish you would have run for the Board. I'm voting for the new candidates. Well, except for Bennett. I urge everyone else to do the same.

Bherrle

EZOB,

I agree that this is needed. I would suggest that is in all of our interests to get the state funding issue fixed, not just the Yes side or the No side in our district.

I appreciate your offer to help, and I am a willing participant. Let me know if you would be willing to meet in person. I would also like to recruit additional help, from both sides in this community.

We can disagree regarding our local issues, yet be united in addressing what really is the bigger problem.

Regarding Dr. Gunner's aspirations, I honestly do not know what they are beyond fulfilling his contract here. My interest is our school district's future. I have a Junior daughter, and a fifth grade daughter. Perhaps I'll have grandchildren here someday. I am thinking that far ahead.

Centauri

New York Times: Schools Drop One to One Laptop Programs

http://www.olpcnews.com/commenta...
"After seven years there was literally no evidence it had any impact on student achievement - none.... The teachers were telling us when there's a one-to-one relationship between the student and the laptop, the box gets in the way. It's a distraction to the educational process."

http://www.scn.org/commnet/lapto...
"LIVERPOOL, N.Y. The students at Liverpool High have used their school-issued laptops to exchange answers on tests, download pornography and hack into local businesses. When the school tightened its network security, a 10th grader not only found a way around it but also posted step-by-step instructions on the Web for others to follow (which they did).

Scores of the leased laptops break down each month, and every other morning, when the entire school has study hall, the network inevitably freezes because of the sheer number of students roaming the Internet instead of getting help from teachers."

http://www.post-gazette.com/stor...
"Saying no to school laptops"

fifteenthgreen

We need to save this because it truly could save jobs! I've been saying this all along. Bring it back later if we have to.

True Blue

True or False?? Mr. Chapman was the one who found out the milage could be moved? How many kids will play sports and won't pay to play? Not everyone can afford this $730.00. There are kids the coaches don't want to lose, so what then?? Was this just a scheme to get the parents out to vote!! Probably.

VOTENO

VOTE CHAPMAN OUT!

fifteenthgreen

Need to see the list of candidates and hear what their objectives are!

VOTENO

If Chapman got us into this mess, he should RESIGN NOW!

Centauri

"The Perkins AD having student athletes taking people from the OVH to the voting booths to go vote, when one student athlete has stated the residents of the OVH didn't know there was a levy and many thought they were voting for a new U.S. President."

Unfortunately, the stupid laws of Ohio allow this and also allow fraud and corruption to breed.

http://blog.cleveland.com/health...
"Ohio leads in providing voting access to nursing home residents"

"Ohio is among the top tier of states providing voting access for nursing home residents. Almost no one can tell residents they aren't mentally capable to vote.
Nursing home residents registered to vote can do so unless a judge rules they are incompetent to vote, according to an agreement reached in a 1984 U.S. District Court case in Ohio."

http://www.dispatch.com/content/...
"Nursing-home residents get voting help. More than 1,100 who can’t get to polls have ballots brought to them."

Here is an idea. Get the "NO" voters together and form a committee or coalition and get to the Perkins School District's veterans homes and nursing homes first. If the pro-levy can play dirty, so can the "NO" voters. Go visit the patients early so that they will get to know you.

VOTENO

Legal or not, I will not stoop to that level. Terrible.

fifteenthgreen

I wonder if the schools, student athletes and parents were there for these folks at the last Presidential election or do they simply provide such services for their own benefit???

Rosa

I totally agree...
Also, I heard from some parents that the kids who were trying out for sports were asked by their coaches how the parent were voting....and telling them they needed to vote for the levy. MANIPULATION!!! That should not be going either....

Centauri

"Legal or not, I will not stoop to that level. Terrible."

But the pro-levy people will stoop that low.

Form a committee or coalition and put the "NO" signs on school property.

http://www.gather.com/viewArticl...
"Dead people CAN vote...and other odd voting facts"

Centauri

Do you think that the Democrats were active in getting the veterans in the nursing homes to the polls. I bet so. Teacher's union, runaway spending.

I sure do miss seeing "Taxpayer" posting comments. He was a riot. Unfortunately he got banned by the Sandusky Register some time ago.

fifteenthgreen

Taxpayer was great! Would have loved his insight!

VOTENO

FREE TAXPAYER! FREE TAXPAYER NOW!

The New World Czar

So none of you is really "TAXPAYER"? I really miss his rants.

Centauri

I loved his rants just for the laughs. He was the next best thing to a comedian. The SR should have kept him. It didn't cost the SR anything.

Rosa

Will their be a "NO" committee, because I think a lot of people would love to be on it. Please post if you hear anything. Thanks!

Tribester

How do the no voters recommend we fund our schools if not via the "unconstitutional" means of local property tax levies? How are we supposed to demand funding change in Columbus from our legislators if we don't know what to ask for? Should we have local income tax levies instead? Increase in state funding through increased state income tax/or reductions in other state spending (healthcare/roads/etc.) What is the answer if not local property tax levies? The money has to come from somewhere, so where? Also, why is this unconstitutional anyway? The vote was 4-3 on the Ohio Supreme Court, hardly a unaminous decision. Most other states fund through property tax I think, so why is it "unconstitutional" here?

fifteenthgreen

Where has it come from up until now, Tribester?

Nemesis

Tribester, the DeRolph decision was NOT about property taxes; it was about LOCAL funding of the schools. There ARE school systems, such as Euclid, that are funded at least partially by income tax levies. Each district is free to choose their own funding method, but it all requires a vote except for the inside millage, so every district grabs that low hanging fruit first. The issue is that some districts are richer than others, and the court made the purely political determination that its unfair. The only way to overcome that is some scheme where the state plays Robin Hood between the districts, and everywhere that's been tried, it hasn't worked. No district's voters are willing to vote taxes for the benefit of other districts, but the rich districts still manage to find a way to pass the benefits of their success to their own kids through booster clubs that make some Fortune 500 companies look like amateurs.

Here's the problem - control follows the money - if you want local control of your schools, you need to fund them locally. However, that doesn't mean you have to allow them to spend like drunken sailors. The kids who want to learn will learn, and those who don't, won't, and most of the increases in spending are aimed at constantly reinventing education in a completely futile attempt to teach the latter group.

Pirate Mom

Euclid is a terrible example of income tax. It divided their community worse than this situation here. Pitted schools against police then taxpayers flipped out at both. DO NOT GO THAT WAY!!

Nemesis

No one is suggesting going that way. Learn to read for comprehensionm rather than becoming emotional about peripheral references.

Euclid is simply mentioned as one of MANY districts that receive some part of their funding through income taxes, and it wasn't the dire controversy you suggest. The point is that the current funding system does not dictate that schools be funded by property taxes.

Pirate Mom

The additional .85 that partially pays for the schools did make people flip. If people won't pay for an increase through their property taxes, what makes you think they'll pay it through their paycheck? It was sold as a way to ease the burden for those on fixed incomes but those still working found it to be a huge burden. We will eventually have to pay somehow. I don't know what the solution is. The state will not swoop in and give us free money. That day is in the past.

Nemesis

And again the point goes whooshing over your head.

The solution is to stop throwing money at futile attempts to teach those who don't want to learn.

samiam

Not sure when it happened, but the state changed the law about dropping out of school at age 16. Now you have to be 18 to quit school, even if your parent consents. The purpose was to provide adequately educated persons for employers and into colleges. An unintended consequence has been that those who don't want to learn are taking time and attention away from those who do want to learn. How much of a teacher's time is directed to discipline problems? Just wondering.

Centauri

"What is the answer if not local property tax levies?"

How about truthful and honest property evaluations so that everybody pays their fair share of property taxes. Why not go after all of the delinquent taxes?

How about stop wasting taxpayers money and spending wisely?

Perkins Schools does not need to be a "Cadillac" school when a "Chevy" or "Ford" school will do. It is all about teaching and learning. Who needs a palace with fountains?

Centauri

I will be busy for a few days on some issues on the west coast. I hope to be back in a few days. Adios.

Tribester

http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/...

Interesting link. Sound familiar?

Wald

Has Gunner even made a statement since the levy went down?

Cross

The voters have repeatedly said we do not want new buildings at this time. The board has moved it's operational funds from inside moneys and tried to sell this levy as for operational expenses which is simply not true.

I respect you want a new facility. I regret the fact that the board and you do not respect voters and your answer is to distort the truth and keep pummeling voters with inaccuracies. The schools do need maintenance. We do not need a brand new campus, and we should not have leadership who try to get what they want instead of representing the people in this township. The kids need teachers and better instruction. They do not need all this money into facilities.

This summer I was ambivalent about the levy. I felt it was one final try to sell this. Now, I have spoken with my neighbors and we will all be actively working to oppose this as well as looking for candidates who will support moving the inside millage back to operational expenses where it belongs.

I'm glad Dr. Printy is leaving the board. I will work hard to support which candidate actually respects the constituents of this county and isn't merely a yes man for those whose goals do not support us who pay for this township.

True Blue

Ford and General Motors workers - $25.00 and up in wages in the good ole days. Now - Ford - $12.00 per hour. KBI - $14.00 to $18.00 for labor and $35.00 for skilled trades. KBI will be closing in 2015. The good ole days of good factory wages are over. How can the Citizens for Perkins Schools expect more when people are making less?? Can any of you explain this to us making less or who are on a fixed income?? Are all the yes voters making big bucks? You must if you want this levy to pass. Oh, I forgot, you can't afford the pay to play. You want all of us to help you. Well, the rest of us don't have the money to help you.

WesTaylor

Ford employees start at $15, and top out at $19. They are a small segment of the Perkins population. You are so far out of reality with this comment it isn't even funny.

VOTENO

How much do you make an hour money bags?

Mallory01

They are ventra workers...NOT Ford. Ford is no longer in Sandusky. So don't count them into the equation at all. And what does that matter? Their money goes to margaretta. I don't see them lasting very long unless they get their heads out of their butts and get some contracts!

VOTENO

Let's talk more about the OVH issue.

Bherrle

I've seen a number of comments regarding OVH Voting in the various open blogs. I wanted to take the time to find out for myself what did or did not happen at OVH. This included several conversations today.

Below (in quotes) are the instructions that the Levy Campaign received from OVH. These instructions were sent out to all volunteers, and all volunteers were expected to follow them. They are very straight forward and explicit. The intent of the Levy Campaign was only to offer assistance in getting from rooms to the poll location at OVH to those Veterans who wanted to vote.

"OVH will have its own polling place open from 7A to 7P. Being that as it is, no volunteers can wear anything (clothing, pins, badges) or have any materials (signs, brochures, etc.) supporting any party or position (I.E. Vote Yes Perkins Levy). No volunteer can discuss anything regarding the election or demonstrate any preference for any particular candidate or position. There are 13 units in OVH. Volunteers will travel to each of the units and ask the nurses as to which residents have chosen to vote and only assist those residents the nurse indicates. To do anything more or less could be considered violation of the voting laws in Ohio and punishable as a crime (they are serious about this)."

In an earlier post, I was called "pathetic" for pointing out these rules.

Regarding the above posts from others:

Nonicork - I know this person, and spoke with them this evening. The concern this person had was that it was students wearing Perkins apparel were there assisting, and that the Vets love being visited by younger people. The concern was that a vet may vote for the levy simply because it was a student helping them. And that the student athletes had never come to help before as a group until now. I understand Nonicork's point of view, and I don't disagree with it. I think that our children should be encouraged to help out at the OVH throughout the year. I also think that it is best, that in the future, students not be involved in election day help. It obviously has created a stigma of something improprietous being done, when the intent was only to offer help. Please also see DonutShopGuy's comment on this issue.

VoteNo: OVH officials were to be identifying for the volunteers which residents wished to vote. Volunteers were not to be looking for those who wanted to vote on their own. If that person who was identified by the OVH offical was then helped to the poll, and couldn't recite their own name, then rightfully, they should not have voted, but I don't feel that is the fault of the student. Again, the poll location was at OVH, no one was being taken off the property. Also, please see Donutshopguy's comments on this issue.

Citizen - No one was forced to help, by Mike Strohl or anyone else. Again, the poll were at OVH, not off the property. OVH is it's own Precinct, Perkins #5. Please see DonutShopGuy's comments on this issue.

I've also seen comments suggesting the people were taken from the Alzheimer's Unit to vote. Totally untrue. Access to that unit is very restricted. I beleive Nonicork also pointed this out, perhaps on the other articles blog.

Comments regarding students being uncomfortable - If they were uncomfortable, then they should not have participated. No one to my knowledge was forced. If they got to the OVH and became uncomfortable, then they should have stopped. Again, to avoid even the impression of anything wrong going on in the future, I don't feel students should help on election day.

Bherrle

Regarding my earlier comments about the impartiality of the Board of Elections:

After the date that Absentee ballots were to be available to voters, the son of a friend of mine went to Board of Elections website to request a ballot. The BOE did not have this election listed at all, to be able to request a ballot for. At that time, it was as if there was going to be no election on August 6th. He called them, and the issue was corrected within a day or so.

On Election Day, polls workers had obviously been instructed not to allow anyone wearing Perkins apparel to vote, without covering up, turning inside out, or taking off. This was a clear violation of voters rights, in my view. I clearly understand that shirts supporting the levy are not allowed, but just general attire from the school should never have been questioned. There are parents of students/athletes who voted no, who may very well have been wearing the same apparel. This issue was supposedly cleared up with all poll workers by around 10:30 AM, however at close to noon, I was at the Faith Memorial Church polls. a student who had just voted, with his white and black Perkins Football shirt on, advised me and another person that he was told when he first walked in he couldn't wear that shirt. When he suggested he could take it off, but that might be even scarier (with a laugh) another poll worker came over and corrected the situation, indicating it was Ok.

Who at the Board of Elections made to the decision to open the polls with that instruction? I am aware that there is an individual at the BOE (I know the name but will not publish it), who at a minimum does not like the current administration, and is said to be anti-Perkins overall. The issue of general apparel should never have been at question. Articles that Centauri has posted on this issue support my point regarding the questioning of the general apparel.

I hope that no one who confronted this decided to leave without voting. My neighbor called me at 9 AM after voting, she had to turn her Perkins shirt inside out to vote. I knew that was wrong the moment she said what happened, and was on the phone to get the issue addressed. I am not suggesting that this issue decided the outcome of election, but it should have never happened in the first place.

VOTENO

Call Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. Between the two of them and Gunner, it would be a great show!

citizen

Bherrle-

While it is legal to wear Perkins Pirates gear to the voting booths, do you really think it is best practice? I would not have had an issue with the poll workers forcing anyone wearing Perkins Pirates logo gear to turn clothing inside out.

That'd be like during a Presidential election with Romney vs. Obama. Not wearing any clothing that says "Vote for Romney" or "Romney 2012" but had a bunch of GOP slogans on the shirt or simply a picture of Mitt Romney. It serves the same purpose. Similarly, wearing Perkins stuff to vote on solely a Perkins Schools issue, serves the same purpose as wearing a shirt that says "Vote for Perkins"

Bherrle

Citizen,

I understand your point of view, but we have differing views on the issue, and that's OK. During the November 2012 Presidential Election, there was a poll worker who wore a shirt with a picture of Obama on it. That was deemed to be OK then.

Also, a number of no voters have stated that they are still supporting the schools/students, with supplies for their kids or grandchildren, private donations for the stadium, etc. By the comments, it is apparent that many feel they are supporting the schools by voting no to try to enact change.

At the end of the day, I don't think that someone wearing a school shirt is going to change anyone's mind at the poll. I would also encourage you to look at the articles Centauri posted on this issue.

VOTENO

Get it through your head. As long as Gunner is here no levy will pass. Chapman needs to go too.

Bherrle

Post from EZOB on Thursday:

Bherrle,
I'm a NO voter and will continue on that path. I am for the schools so here is My suggestion: I might not be informed about school matters but I know My way around the State House quite well and I'll share in the cost of the many trips to Columbus. We need our State Rep. (Chris Redfern) or State Senator (Randy Gardner) to back a bill to change the way Ohio funds our schools. It can be introduced in the House or Senate and it doesn't necessarilly have to be introduced by one our Politicians. Now if Gunner really does have aspirations of being on or heading the state school board this would look excellent on His Resume. The ball is in your court. I know it won't happen over-night but this levy isn't passing anytime soon either.

My Reply:
EZOB,

I agree that this is needed. I would suggest that is in all of our interests to get the state funding issue fixed, not just the Yes side or the No side in our district.

I appreciate your offer to help, and I am a willing participant. Let me know if you would be willing to meet in person. I would also like to recruit additional help, from both sides in this community.

We can disagree regarding our local issues, yet be united in addressing what really is the bigger problem.

Regarding Dr. Gunner's aspirations, I honestly do not know what they are beyond fulfilling his contract here. My interest is our school district's future. I have a Junior daughter, and a fifth grade daughter. Perhaps I'll have grandchildren here someday. I am thinking that far ahead.

VOTENO

Want to pass a levy? Simple. Get rid of Gunner and the current Board. That doesn't mean to replace a board member with Bennett either. Then you'll pass a levy. That's the bottom line. No way to spin that. These people can't be trusted. Chapman and Gunner especially.

EZOB

Bherrle,
I'll be at Diana's Deli 10:00 A.M. Sunday morning for breakfast. I'll be by myself and if you've read some of my previous posts, you'll recognize who I am, all POSITIVE!!!

Bherrle

I am usually in church at that time EZOB. I'll see what I can do, but we may have to try a different time or day.

Thank you for your willingness to meet.

EZOB

Bherrle,
9:00--11:00-11:30 name it.

Bherrle

Let's do 11:30 AM. I'm out of church at 11 AM, and that will give me time to get my kids home before coming over.

Thanks EZOB.

RMyer

Brad and EZOB,

If after your meeting, you decide that a meeting with C. Redfern and R. Gardner is a possibility, I would be an interested party. I have spoken to C. Redfern in the past at town hall meetings and have sent letters/emails to Columbus. Seems like a candle in the wind and only got generic responses. If another voice would be helpful, I am willing to help.

EZOB

OKAY!

Bherrle

EZOB,

I am going to have to postpone our meeting tomorrow. Have to take care of a household issue right after church that needs immediate attention. And I'm busy later in the afternoon also. Perhaps we could meet Monday?

EZOB

I'm always awake early, so anytime.

Cross

I really hope our electorate takes a good, hard look at the board who have moved over 5 million dollars of operating funds away from our kids and their programs. Does our school really need 5 million dollars of renovations next year?

I will be repeating this and talking to all my neighbors about this. Many did not vote this time, I'll be trying to persuade them to both vote no and to find a candidate who respects Perkins and does not shift money so they can build a new facility that was not voter approved.

All you parents paying an extra chunk of cash for your kids to do extracurricular events is a result of the mismanagement of funds by the BOE who have ignored the failed levies and are using the funds for our kids for their new construction.

VOTENO

JUST SAY NO TO BENNETT!

Centauri

"I will be repeating this and talking to all my neighbors about this. Many did not vote this time, I'll be trying to persuade them to both vote no and to find a candidate who respects Perkins and does not shift money so they can build a new facility that was not voter approved."

Good comment. I still don't understand why the Perkins School voters approved additional funds (renewal) to go into the permanent improvements fund. That should have been a NO vote.
http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/...

You may want to compare the vote results of the most recent school levy election to past school levy elections. Compare the number of total votes cast compared to the registered voters who chose not to cast a vote. Also compare each precinct from past elections to the present one.

http://www.voterfind.com/public/...
http://www.voterfind.com/public/...

http://www.electionsonthe.net/oh...
http://www.electionsonthe.net/oh...

http://www.electionsonthe.net/oh...
http://www.electionsonthe.net/oh...

Go back to earlier school levy elections and research the precinct results. Don't forget that the Perkins School district also has precincts in other townships besides Perkins. Pay attention to those who did not cast a vote. Find out if their property valuations stayed the same or increased. Also pay attention to those with decreased valuations. Go after those non-voters and explain to them how their property taxes will increase if they do not vote. Form some groups, committee and coalition. Of course the pro-levy people will go to the nursing homes again. I wouldn't be surprised if they voted more than once. There are ways to do this but I will not reveal how to do it. Ohio has some stupid election laws where people can vote more than once.

eriemom

Below is from the Perkins July minutes Treasures Report. It shows payments to several law firms without explanation (privileged information). The link will take you to one of those listed. It is about tax valuations. I don't yet know if this legislation passed.

Payments were made out to what look like the following law firms:
Bricker & Eckler
Pebble & Waggoner

Citibank was paid 3k. Could be a payment on the loan building planning. If it isn't a payment, then 3k is quite high for just banking fees.

http://www.ohioedlaw.com/blog-ar...

Vendor Amounts Vendor Amounts
AT & T-advertising $792 FSI - Trash Removal $14,000

Automation Mailing $1,500 FP Mailing Solutions $600

Bay Area Gas Consortium $100,000

Huron City Schools - Shared Medical Ins $13,000

$30,000 Information

Design, Inc (SPS EZ PAY) $4,00

Bricker & Eckler $25,000

Ohio Edison $210,000

Buckeye Telesystem $35,000

Payroll (bank fees) $500

Citizens Banking Company-Bank Fees $3,000

Pebble & Waggoner $65,000

Columbia Gas-Natural Gas $7,000

Polar Pure $2,100

Columbia Gas-Transportation $30,000

RS Office Solutions $175,000

Erie County Sewer & Water $34,000

Unemployment $20,100

ESC of Cuyahoga County $10,000

UPS $1,000

Firelands Corporate Health $4,000

US PostMaster $14,000

Verizon $9,000

Centauri

Thank you for posting that link and information.

http://www.ohioedlaw.com/blog-ar...
"Ms. Shaner also testified that the proposed legislation would result in UNFAIRNESS for taxpayers whose real property is set at a FAIR value, because those individuals will pay HIGHER than their fair share of local levies. She explained that, because of the way levies are handled in Ohio, if some properties are UNDERVALUED at the time the levy is passed, the millage rate set for the levy must be set HIGHER in order for the school district to collect the full amount of the levy as it was originally approved. Accordingly, property owners whose property is set at a FAIR value will PAY MORE than their fair share while property owners whose property is UNDERVALUED will receive a TAX BREAK. Yet some Senators are not convinced. Sen. Schaffer expressed concern that, in his opinion, some taxpayers whose property is set above fair market value will be the ones paying an unfair share of the levies."

Set ALL of the properties in Erie County, Ohio at fair and honest valuations. Can you imagine the whining and crying of some of the pro-levy voters if their undervalued properties were brought up to fair valuations? There also are some overvalued properties and these people are being over-charged in property taxes.

samiam

A law firm could have been used for an issue with an employee, with a contract issue or negotiations, with a student and/or parent issue, just to name a few. Sandusky also uses the Pebble & Waggoner firm.

eriemom

All true samiam. I posted a link and wanted to explain where it came from. Citizen has been research property valuations.

underthebridge

Another law firm representing the district currently in active litigation in 2 cases is Spengler Nathanson Law out Toledo.

True Blue

I seen voters wearing Perkins football shirts. As stated, this could be seen as supporting the levy, but I seen nothing wrong with it. As for shirts supporting the levy, this is illegal. As stated, this isn't any different than wearing a Romney or Obama shirt when they were running for President. I seen one lady get very upset, but she didn't realize this was wrong for her to wear the shirt. Maybe it would be a good idea for the Pro levy committee to let their supporters know this is illegal. I don't like to see voters all xissed off because they are asked to turn their shirt inside out.
Wes Taylor - Excuse me. This is the facts I was told about Ford. I do know my facts are correct about KBI. You think I"m so far out of reality, I disagree with you. Manufacturing wages have been cut. Maybe you haven't noticed, because you have a job like the supers at Perkins. They don't know what it is to get their wages cut.

Centauri

QUESTION: Has the Port Clinton News Herald or Sandusky Register reported the news about that Port Clinton couple who were indicted in Cuyahoga County, Ohio for stealing school funds? Here are some links:

http://fox8.com/2013/04/12/forme...
"Former Treasurer Indicted for Stealing from District"

http://www.cleveland.com/berea/i...
"Randy Scherf, Berea school's treasurer on paid administrative leave, indicted on theft in office, other charges"

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news...
"Berea School District fraud: Three indicted after thousands of dollars stolen from district"

http://tinyurl.com/mlgjnu5

He tried to sue:

http://www.cleveland.com/berea/i...
"Berea school Treasurer Randy Scherf files lawsuit against district; Ohio auditor releases findings for recovery"

AllTheAnswers

Dear PEA, please consider the following to help SOS (Save Our Students):
Each recipient of a 2013-2014 supplemental contract (academics, sports, clubs, arts) write down what they would be willing to be paid for the 2013-2014 school year. To carry this one step further, allow EACH teacher to write down their salary requirement for the 2013-2014 school year. With the union out of the way, how far would the Perkins Locals payroll decrease for one year to SOS?

VOTENO

Fire Gunner and Chapman resign and do NOT vote for Bennett!!! Just say NO to Bennett!!! Say NO to Chapman!!!

eriemom

Bennett has gone on record stating that he did not agree with some of the current Board's decisions. Just thought I would throw that out there. I for one will listen to what he has to say, just as I will with the others running.

Nemesis

How did he vote on the resolution to move the inside millage? It's a matter of public record.

eriemom

Bennett was not on the Board. Therefore had no vote when the resolution was passed.

fifteenthgreen

He does support the move, though.

Wald

Can anyone comment on the facts of pay to play? I was talking to the father of a football player last night and he said he hasn't had to pay anything yet and that he wasn't even sure when the fees were due.

eriemom
VOTENO

Lol! Classic Gunner move right there! This guy is hilarious!

fifteenthgreen

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...

Only fees missing on this form are a new laptop fee, building design loan repayment fee, stadium contribution fund fee, shouldn't have moved the millage fee, excessive wage fee and the ODE under performance fee..................!

fifteenthgreen

Another question: How is it that all neighboring school districts are able to function without imposing such a fee structure?

fifteenthgreen

The Medina City School's Board of Education voted Nov. 8 at a work session to reduce pay-to-participate fees to provide student opportunities. Learn from others!

http://www.cleveland.com/medina/...

Tribester

But the no voters said the fees and teacher cuts would never really happen, they were just scare tactics to pass a levy. Whoops! Wonder what they will be wrong about next?

fifteenthgreen

I don't know, but the band director that was cut sure looks good at band camp this week and so far I haven't gotten word that our children won't be getting an education this year and that they'll be aloud in our decrepit schools!

Tribester

Not positive, but the band director you speak of might still be working on last school years supplemental contract. We'll see if he's still around on the 26th.

fifteenthgreen

Don't get me wrong, Tribester. I hope he is. I think they all should be as I feel other cuts and better use of funds could have saved their jobs. I believe their contract ended on August 2nd unless his supplemental extends through the 26th. Either way, sadly all of their proposed cuts will be accounted for prior to November. An absolute mess!

citizen

Tribster, do you not see it?

November 6th, when the pay to play fee is due, is the day after the November election.

I thought if the August levy failed, there would be pay to play fees forced upon participants? Well that's come and gone, and Gunner keeps deferring the fee.

If the November levy fails, Gunner will cancel or further defer the fees. If it was Gunner's intent to actually enforce these outrageous fees (and not just use this as a scare tactic) he would enforce it after the August election as he threatened.... not wait until after the November election (weeks after the fall season concludes!)

It is a scare tactic. Continue voting no! Taxpayers have stated over and over they will not fund new buildings. Tell Gunner to move the operations money back- for the students and teachers!

Tribester

25% is due prior to the first game which is 182.50 NOW, not November 6th! They are trying to let people spread it out like an installment plan to be nice, instead of saying pay it all now or else. Perhaps some parents naively assumed this community would support its students with passage of the August levy and are therefore not ready to totally pay up at this time. Maybe when the state takes over you guys will realize that the "scare tactics" were reality, but I doubt it. If you honestly think the facilities are fine and no money is needed for them to be renovated/rebuilt I want what you are smoking. Fire Gunner, get a new board, move your precious millage back, and you will STILL need to pass a new operations levy regardless!

believeit

To the No voters - I do congratulate you on your "victory" but I still don't think you realize that you have won the battle, but will eventually lose the fiscal war. Essentially 25% of the populace is causing everyone to pay more. Whether it is because you distrust Gunner, don't think facilities need to be upgraded, can't afford the increase (in fear of foreclosure or anything else), or are a Tea Party type advocate where no taxes and constitutional rights trump all else, future costs will go up. Some say just keep failing the levies, no problem. Unfortunately, the state will eventually take over the finances of the district. That means even less local control, and a state-mandated continuation of levy requests, plus the state must be reimbursed for their troubles (more costs). The levy requests will not stop, regardless of moving millage back, putting in your own hand-picked board and superintendent, or allowing facilities to continue on their path! If the levies continue to fail, the district will be dissolved. This seldom, if ever, happens because residents finally say enough is enough, and the levy is passed. However, now it is closer to 10 mils instead of 6. If it does dissolve, Perkins is now paying Sandusky millage, already much higher. Meanwhile, 40 taxpaying positions have been eliminated, along with programs for students, with the potential for much more. If you think this is all just scare tactics, please stay tuned. Many teachers and other staff are already gone, with more to follow. So we have gone from a state of the art, efficient, community-based campus (sports facilities, theater, adult classes) for decades to come, to barely staying afloat for probably 2-3 times more money. For those facing foreclosure for $206/year, what happens when it is much more? (and honestly, where $206 will rarely create a foreclosure, losing a job certainly can) Victory for you, yes, but at what cost to the community overall.

underthebridge

You've got a lot of criticism and feedback for the community members who voted no. Seems to me, there is enough blame to go around. Just curious as to what your criticisms of the administration (Superintendent and BOE) are?

believeit

My major criticism of the administration is that they did not read the demographics of the community very well. I believe that their vision (while potentially great) was bigger than what the community could see. They didn't present the benefits for all well enough, and assumed everyone would see the benefits as clearly. So now, the 25% strong voting block has continued to make its stand, not enough of those with their vision came out (the democratic process) and we are where we are. My point was that from this point on, no matter what happens, costs have and will increase.

underthebridge

Some good points. I also don't think they understand the community very well. Their vision did/does not match the community's needs now or for the future when in all likelihood the population of residents will decline as it is for many Northern Ohio rural or semi-rural communities. I also think they demonstrated their true priorities with the stadium project in the face of expected budgetary cuts from the state.

Nemesis

"not enough of those with their vision came out "

That's not likely. The yes vote probably represented 90% or more of those who were likely to vote yes. Special elections are generally favorable to school levies because they enjoy strong yes voter turnout and weak no voter turnout. So favorable that many districts go out of their way to bypass the general November election and have a special one some other month, despite it costing them money to do so.

fifteenthgreen

I agree with many of your points, believeit, but people need to take a look at many of the communities and school districts around us and compare. Name one that has it all going for them, i.e. the new "state of the art, efficient, community-based campus". All of them are getting it done, and done better based on ODE scores for that matter, with much, much less. Get out there and visit these schools. Go to many of the highest rated schools in Cleveland, for example and see what they're working with. Very old schools and a much better education. Rocky River, Westlake, Avon Lake, North Olmsted, Avon, Lakewood, Bay Village, etc... These are a few West Cleveland school districts that are rated very high but don't have nor feel the need to have what Perkins wants....or they know it won't fly with the voters. Visit a few online or in person and compare.

In addition, only 40 tax paying positions? That's all. For example, how many people once worked at New Departure just twenty years ago? Over 2,000 compared to less than 800 now? Much lower wages? That's where much of our tax base came from vs. the now ever present service and seasonal jobs. My point is, this is a completely different community that we live in and adjustments are going to have to be made in regard to what we feel we should have or need vs. what the new Perkins Township can afford. Until the good jobs return we will never be what we once were.

Also, your $206/year figure that keeps getting thrown out there is another reason we are in the position we are in. Why aren't there many more homes being built in the $300,000 to $800,000 range? Most homes in this area were built in the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s when things were great around here. They now are valued that low because that is what they are worth, which is precisely why people can't afford the additional tax.

believeit

You are missing my point. I did not say we needed new buildings to have better scores, but had the opportunity to get them relatively cheaply. I only stated that whatever happens in the future will be more expensive. However, even though the west side districts you listed specifically may not have new buildings, they have passed numerous levies, and are much more expensive to live in (partially because of their higher-rated school districts). Please compare the average home value of Rocky River, Bay or Westlake to Perkins. These are completely different (and higher) socioeconomic communities, which tend to have higher rated schools. Plus, none have had the lack of support (passing levies) that Perkins has. New buildings will not improve scores, but neither will reduced programs and staff. Plus I understand that our manufacturing job base has declined, like much of the country, but it is due to multiple factors (declining economy, robotics, cheaper labor elsewhere, etc.) but that isn't the school districts fault, and removing more jobs doesn't help. Again, I'm not saying it will be easy, just more expensive as time passes.

citizen

There is a MAJOR disconnect somewhere.

Believeit keeps talking about the state coming in to take over Perkins Schools. Facilities faltering. Perkins School District actually being dissolved.

How are we at that point talking about state takeover and dissolution of the district... yet if this levy passes in November, Gunner is going to start buildings his new buildings?

This is exactly why people will continue to vote NO for this building tax increase.

There is not a good leader out there whose organization is in alleged financial ruin, is in the process of dismantling his/her organization (as Gunner said he would have to if Aug levy failed), allegedly is on the brink of State Government takeover and there is actual talk about dissolution of the organization.... but the first thing on his/her strategic plan are building new facilities and actually taking out millions of dollars in loans to design and plan these facilities, when they can't even fund operations.

You can't have it both ways. You can't threaten taxpayers with $730 pay to play fees, State takeover, dismantling the district.... yet, first strategic priority is to build new buildings and facilities.

believeit

The state will take over only if levies continue to fail. What happens if a levy passes changes the situation. What is done with that money will be determined by the new board (with or without Gunner). I only stated that the cost, regardless of what happens, has already gone up, and will continue to do so.

Nemesis

That's not necessarily true. Enrollment could drop (Americans continue to have fewer children) and the project could thus become smaller. Construction costs fluctuate up and down.

EZOB

In the Mid 70's Perkins graduated over 300, they were AAA in sports. Last year with open enrollment they were down to 229, I believe.
Two Question:
1) With a decline in students shouldn't some positions be cut.
2) How many students will graduate in 2020 or 2025. The kids are in school now.

believeit

You are talking about the height of the population boom. Yes, it was very crowded (thus all the building additions over time, including "temoporary" trailers at Briar), but the staff numbers were also much higher. There have been numerous reductions in staff (and sometimes increases due to need), even before these latest cuts. It is impossible to know how many will graduate 10 years out - it is not as simple as who is there now. Demographics change, will open enrollment continue, what of the desirability of the district itself in 2025? All very much unknown.

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