Unofficial results: Perkins levy fails

About 54 percent of township voters opposed tax levy
Sandusky Register Staff
Aug 6, 2013

Unofficial results from the Erie County Board of Elections shows the Perkins School District levy lost by about 340 votes. 

The final tally of the 4,624 votes cast, according to the elections office:

• Against the levy: 2,482, or about 54 percent of the total.  

• For the levy: 2,142, or about 46 percent of the total.  

Be sure to pick up Wednesday's Register for reactions and comments from voters and school officials. 

 

Comments

bear53

Some of the teacher jobs could be kept if assistant principals jobs were eliminated.That's a lot of wages.Gotta look for cuts and be creative.

QUALITYASSURANCE

One cannot wake a person who pretends to be asleep. Navaho Indian

PutKidsFirst

This is a sad day for Perkins students. It's amazing to me that people are not willing to pay and extra $25 a month (the equivalent of 4 or 5 Starbucks coffees) so that the young people of Perkins can not only play sports without going broke.. But enjoy things like music, art, and PE. Music & art (& sports too!!) are sometimes the saving grace for an unhappy child. Not to mention the cultural experience that comes from them. I feel so sorry for the students who will be missing their favorite classes this year.

We also have lost several good teachers. Those teachers had to find other jobs in case this levy failed and even if it had passed they most likely couldn't have come back anyway. You people don't realize what you've done... And all just to stick it to Dr. Gunner. What a selfish reason to vote no. Dr. Gunner can go elsewhere and be just fine. Perkins is stuck here... And it's going to slowly become a place where parents won't want to send their kids or choose to live. You'll keep losing good teachers and good programs.

My heart breaks for the students who won't get the experiences that they deserve.

PyrkinsPyrate

What are the levy supporters fixation with mentioning the cost of the tax increase in units of Starbucks or 6 packs? Am I wrong if I consume these things rather than forking more money over to a irresponsible board that has spent 3.5 million dollars on planning a school the community voted down? How many ventes or grandes is that? Maybe you could tell us the cost in Chinese Renminbi since you had the luxury of Chinese teachers. I think I will go over to Kroger and celebrate by buying some Starbucks.

Lil DAB

"not willing to pay ... extra $25 a month (the equivalent of 4 or 5 Starbucks coffees)"
?????????????
I for one, don't drink Starbucks. What about the people that need that $25 a month to feed their babies or need it to go towards their car or house payment. It's none of YOUR business HOW one chooses to spend THEIR money earned by themselves from THEIR household INCOME. It's NOT YOURS to delegate to spend! These VOTES just reinforced that!

Congratulations Perkins, on getting it right and supporting households, seniors and the future workforce of taxpaying graduates! If these sore losers don't appreciate the 65-70% of your taxes that you already support the schools and their kiddies with, maybe they will donate it back to the community.

PutKidsFirst

Honestly my guess is that if you're living in a $100,000 or more home, you can probably feed your children. That's not to say there aren't people that can't. In any case, these kids are the future. And they've been robbed of important character-building experiences of their childhood that every kid should have. I'm sure everyone on this blog has some fond memories of either art, music, PE, or sports. These are the classes that some kids need in their lives. I'm just sad they don't get to have them and it could honestly change the person the become by not having those influences.

As far as comparing it to Starbucks, again you're missing the point. It's probably chosen because most people know the cost of a Starbucks coffee. It could just as easily be a couple of trips to the movies, a dinner out at a restaurant (which would probably be more). The point is is that these are luxuries. And most people have an extra $25 lying around or spend it on something they don't necessarily need. I'm not telling anyone how to spend their money.. All I am saying is that is apparent that people think spending that money on the kids in Perkins and on the future of this community, is not as important as the luxuries most people, myself included, spend on coffee, movies, dinner out, etc.

I don't care if you agree or not.. But I think it's quite apparent that for whatever reason, the people who voted FOR the levy have been able to be relatively mature and respectful throughout this ordeal. If you read the "no" comments... You'll find many people overreacting, calling people names, and putting people down. Is this a coincidence? I posted my opinion in a respectful manner and got bombarded with excessive exclamation points and unnecessary accusations.

PyrkinsPyrate

No you have not posted your views in a respectful manner. You continue to insult the people who are out there earning a living by telling them how many movies or dinners they should give up. That takes some nerve. When someone reduces this whole subject to giving up a cupcake and 17 M&Ms per day to support your desires it is telling them that you know better how they should spend their money. It is frankly insulted to those of us who work for a living. Us "No voters" do not presume to tell you what you should live without so why do you think you have the right to suggest how we spend our earnings?

Kottage Kat

Character building should start in the home.
We have become a society that expects the schools to do what parents should be doing.
How much teaching time is lost to discipline issues??
Time to pay the piper.

PerkinsBlueStreak

For an extra $25 a month that's some people's utility payments. Or food for their kids who don't even attend Perkins Schools. If Perkins Township paid city taxes the schools would have plenty of money.

Good 2 B Me

$25 per month? That means no iPhone, iPad, 6 TV's with Cable, Fast Food, Road Trips, Clothing or trips to the Mall! That is how stupid you sound when telling us what we should be doing with that $25/Month. It is none of your business. Some of us are on a fixed income. Perhaps the $25.00 is not near as easy as you believe it is to come up with. My issue is not the $25.00, it is Gunner abd the BOE and their misuse of our money. I will not let the pickpocket rob me again. Simple as that.

Bherrle

Over the past two months, I have had the privilege of working with and getting to know some very special people. Selfless, dedicated, hard working people, who are trying to maintain the school system that this community has built up over the years, and not let it become a thing of the past.

I am very proud to be on your team, and have my family in the Perkins community. I hope to continue to get to know each of you even better as we move forward. Fight back the tears, and hold your head high. Our work is not done.

To our Board of Education & Superintendent: Matt Kosior, Brian Printy, Andy Carroll, Terry Chapman, Brad Mitchel, and Jim Gunner. Thank you for your service and dedication to this community. Don't give up. I am convinced that you are the right leadership to take this district into the future.

Brad Herrle

beborcott

and may they get in touch with reality at some point....praise jesus

donutshopguy

Brad,

In our country we are allowed to have conflicting ideas on how our school should be run and the cost to make that happen. Many selfless, dedicated and hard working people took the time to disagree with your above mentioned bureaucrats.

I would like to thank them for speaking up and voting your conscious rather than being noninvolved in your community. Voting and involvement by those in the community make a better community.

fifteenthgreen

Not if you vote against another opinion, DSG....I guess.

Bherrle

DSG,

I was complimenting those I have worked with, not trying to insult anyone who voted no.

They are not bureaucrats. They flat out gave you the option you asked for in terms of waiting until after Nov, and you and others ignored it. You decided that wasn't good enough, after they gave it to you. So I have to wonder, can they ever make you happy. Can anyone ever make this community happy? Will you ever trust anyone? I have my doubts.

Involvement by the community is good, but too many chefs spoil the soup.
Elect your board members and let them do their job. That's the way it works in most of the country, and it works pretty good.

If Voting No and firing 17-18 people to send a message to the board or Superintendent is "being involved", then I'd rather folks not be involved. That is not voting on the issue on the ballot.

fifteenthgreen

Are you actually stomping your feet? Seriously, Bherrle? This is not what this community and district stand for. If you're going to act this way when told NO and can't accept and respect the vote, this job isn't for you. This campaign is definitely going to be a marathon and not a sprint!

Bherrle

No, I'm not stomping my feet at all. This isn't a job at all.

I can accept being told no for the right reasons. But I like how you completely ignored my statement about the what all the NO voters ignored. You asked for something, got it, and then ignored it.

I think my questions and statements are very valid.

Edwin Ison

Can you agree that operational funding should have been secured before setting money aside for a new building?
That makes so much sense.
How can you be happy with Gunner when he cannot communicate to the voters this wondrous plan which will lead all of Perkins to Utopia? And he only has to convince one person more than half of people willing to vote.
Gunner is a joke and those he drags along are too.
If it is such a grand scheme, it should be easy.

Rosa

You need to spend your time and energy organizing and going to the State and fighting Kasich and his horrible ideas about public education. The local well has run dry. Most of our real estate taxes do go to the schools and most people are tapped out. So quit blaming the local population who cannot afford it or do not wish to afford it, and get a panel to change state legislation to take care of the school system properly. But don't expect all the extras.(sports and such) Parents will have to pay for them and rightly so....

Edwin Ison

Time to start calling board members and demand that the stupid sports and activity fees be waived.
I bet they wish that money was back in operations.
Good leadership would have secured sufficient operational funding BEFORE moving the money away from operations and borrowing against future levies to construct a new school campus the majority does not want.
Had Gunner not put the cart before the horse, Perkins wouldn't be in this mess.
Of course that would have taken some self control by Gunner...lol.

Bherrle

You having fun playing Sim City tonight Edwin?

Edwin Ison

You really still don't see the comedy of errors?
The total lack of self control.
The unforgivable strategic errors?
Come on man!
You can't make this stuff up.
I seriously hope the parents of students of Perkins Schools speak firmly to their elected school board and demand the pay to play nonsense be immediately rescinded.
Gunner and company are making Perkins a laughing stock and it's sad.

Edwin Ison

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KnuckleDragger

Many of the people voting yes will probably have the sports fee waived anyway. You see, if a kid is on free or reduced lunch, they have to waive the fees anyway. The only ones who will be paying the fees are the same ones who likely would have been paying the taxes to support the levy.

Bherrle

Knuckle,

Get your facts right. Kids on free and reduce lunch do still have to pay the fees, they are not exempted from them.

Edwin Ison

Kids on free lunches have to pay fees?

That is cruel... nice, compassionate Board and super you got there!

fifteenthgreen

Do open enrollment students have to pay these fees?

Bherrle

Yes, they do.

Edwin Ison

Good luck in November!

underthebridge

Bherrie - ridiculous! If this BOE and Gunner cannot get the voting public to follow their vision they are not effective leaders. They aren't. And if it happens over and over again, maybe they need to review and revise their vision. They won't. Years ago when these levies (either straight building funds or disguised ones) were first brought up, I predicted that the BOE and Gunner would blame the community. Every time they have done just that: blamed the community! Maybe its time for these great visionaries to change their vision.

Good 2 B Me

Brad, the future is now. They are proving you wrong by running Perkins into the ground, with your approval.

We educated ourselves and worked just as hard as you did, probably harder to seek the truth in this Levy situation. We did not simple vote no for $hit$ and Giggles. We voted no as our right to our beliefs. We believe that the BOE and Gunner have misused the money given them and tried to bully the general public. We fought back in the correct way. WE MADE OUR VOTES COUNT! Hear us now! Hear us Clear!

NOTME

Brad well said and appreciated!

Wald

When will you learn that NO means NO? A one-year old understands NO! And if you think the current super and BOE are the right leadership, you are as out of touch as they are!

EZOB

PutKidsFirst,
I've never enjoyed a Starbucks Coffee. I realized that at $5.00 a cup there is no way I'd enjoy it.
If several Teachers quit before the election I surely admit the loss. We lost a few teachers who had the "Common Sense" to know that Gunner and the Board were not acting in there or the Township's best interest. They chose not to gamble On Gunner's plan. Don't forget that when Gunner decided on moving the Money He was gambling on many teacher's salary. Those teachers who left should be named at a later date because they are good candidates for higher paying positions, Supt. on be on a school board. I really wish the best for you people.

PutKidsFirst

It wasn't becuse they didn't have faith in the plan.. It was because they didn't have faith in the voters. And for good reason, obviously. They didn't leave because they wanted to. They wanted to stay.

bobshumway92

I'm celebrating with Starbucks and a 6 pack right now!

beborcott

Don't forget the cigarettes! Might as well buy a carton!

Good 2 B Me

I don't drink Starbucks, smoke or drink beer, but hey! I am going to go burn $25.00 cash! If that is ok!!

shocked911

Mr. Shumway, why don't you step up and run for the BOE if a seat opens up? By reading your comments, you seem to have everything figured out on how to solve this issue. Are you a homeowner in Perkins Twp? Or do you rent? How vested are you in the Perkins community? Let's work together and come up with ideas on how NOT to cost the taxpayers anymore more money and at the same time run a local school system with a balanced budget. Heck, our State and Federal government have no idea how to do that either! Let's work together and set the example for our kids that even if we have a difference of opinion we can learn to compromise and come up with solutions to problems instead of just complaining or rubbing in a levy vote loss. I'm in .....are you?

PyrkinsPyrate

All of us No people ought to have a Startbucks together at Kroger tomorrow at about 3pm. We can stand there and run our mouths and speculate what the Yes-liars were getting out of their efforts. I think they were promised jobs if the levy passed. I wonder if they still get paid for their efforts now that they again failed. Who wants to meet for Starbucks?

Bherrle

Pyrate,

You're repeated comments are liable/slandering of the Committee and it's named supporters. You offer no facts or solutions, just name calling.

fifteenthgreen

Pulling out the libel and slander card, are we? Are you fluent in the practice of law, bherrle?

Good 2 B Me

He might be, but he is obvioously not fluent in the process of passing a levy! :D

Edwin Ison

Intimidation

PyrkinsPyrate

Calling people who can not tell the truth "liars" is not slander. You can choose to believe Gunner's saying that the building was on hold to November or whatever else he told you, you can be happy with the 3 million wasted on building plans (how many Starbucks or Teachers jobs is 3 million equivalent to?). You people never told the truth, never spoke clearly, played dirty by using tax dollars to support the levy via the mailings and the pro-levy bulletin boards on school property. You never played fair or honorable and you got your butts handed to you. I resent having to go and vote no over and over, so yes, I am having fun and just being mean now because I flat outright hate people who place themselves on a smug, arrogant perch and feel they have the right to subvert democracy, yes I hate such people and I am gloating and enjoying the victory.

PyrkinsPyrate

Let me re-iterate. The biggest lie of all is this sky is falling, the State will take over, there will be no more Perkins schools if you do not endorse the building of a new school by voting for an emergency levy that replaces the exact amount of money stolen from operations when moved to buildings. Is that hard to fathom how the "No Voters" call this crap lies? The big lie is that this was caused by state cuts not the BOE moving the millage. The other lies involve the state of the buildings, the "facts" that Perkins had "no new money in 18 years", that everyone had pay freezes. All of this has been dishonest.

EZOB

Krogers has Starbucks?????

PyrkinsPyrate

If the average homeowner in Perkins had just been willing to give up 4 rolls of Toilet Tissue ($3.49), a tube of Crest ($2.39) a third of a roll of dental floss ($1.17), a stick of Speed Stick ($2.59), their Cinemax premium channels ($16.99) and a Little Caesars Fun Pack ($8) each month we could be filthy, bored, and still have voted down this levy.

Fromthe419

+1

Centauri

http://www.voterfind.com/public/...
SUMMARY REPORT ERIE COUNTY, OHIO FINAL UNOFFICIAL RESULTS
RUN DATE:08/06/13 2013 AUGUST SPECIAL ELECTION
RUN TIME:08:20 PM AUGUST 6, 2013

VOTES PERCENT

PRECINCTS COUNTED (OF 16) . . . . . 16 100.00
REGISTERED VOTERS - TOTAL . . . . . 10,106
BALLOTS CAST - TOTAL. . . . . . . 4,630
VOTER TURNOUT - TOTAL . . . . . . 45.81

PERKINS LSD EMERGENCY REQUIREMENTS
Vote For 1
FOR THE TAX LEVY . . . . . . . . 2,142 46.32
AGAINST THE TAX LEVY. . . . . . . 2,482 53.68
Total . . . . . . . . . 4,624

http://www.voterfind.com/public/...
NUMBERED KEY CANVASS ERIE COUNTY, OHIO UNOFFICIAL FINAL RESULTS
2013 AUGUST SPECIAL ELECTION
RUN DATE:08/06/13 08:21 PM AUGUST 6, 2013

TOTAL PERCENT TOTAL PERCENT
01 = REGISTERED VOTERS - TOTAL 10,106 03 = VOTER TURNOUT - TOTAL 45.81
02 = BALLOTS CAST - TOTAL 4,630
- - - - - - - - -
01 02 03
- - - - - - - - -
0001 GRO TWP 264 . 92 34.85
0002 HUR TWP #1 32 . . 9 28.13
0003 HUR TWP #3 179 . 91 50.84
0004 MAR TWP #3 42 . 19 45.24
0005 MIL TWP #1 29 . 17 58.62
0006 OX TWP 483 . 239 49.48
0007 PER TWP #1 1073 . 387 36.07
0008 PER TWP #2 1275 . 549 43.06
0009 PER TWP #3 863 . 439 50.87
0010 PER TWP #4 830 . 318 38.31
0011 PER TWP #5 292 . 30 10.27
0012 PER TWP #6 952 . 449 47.16
0013 PER TWP #7 878 . 467 53.19
0014 PER TWP #8 1005 . 531 52.84
0015 PER TWP #9 747 . 379 50.74
0016 PER TWP #10 1162 . 614 52.84
====================================================================================================================================

VOTES PERCENT
PERKINS LSD EMERGENCY REQUIREMENTS
Vote For 1
01 = FOR THE TAX LEVY 2,142 46.32
02 = AGAINST THE TAX LEVY 2,482 53.68
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01 02
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0001 GRO TWP 28 64
0002 HUR TWP #1 1 8
0003 HUR TWP #3 46 45
0004 MAR TWP #3 5 14
0005 MIL TWP #1 8 9
0006 OX TWP 84 155
0007 PER TWP #1 188 198
0008 PER TWP #2 241 308
0009 PER TWP #3 205 234
0010 PER TWP #4 136 182
0011 PER TWP #5 21 5
0012 PER TWP #6 218 230
0013 PER TWP #7 212 255
0014 PER TWP #8 280 251
0015 PER TWP #9 212 167
0016 PER TWP #10 257 357
====================================================================================================================================

EZOB

The "Stuff" that is spread around here, I'd advise you to buy a lot more toilet paper.

VOTENO

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Centauri

Now all the pro-levy voters come out of hiding when they should have been answering questions from me and the Perkins School voters.

QUESTION: How will the school pay off that $3.5 million loan?
ANSWER: Should be found here: http://perkinslevy.com/

Perkins Local Schools Levy Website

This site is down for maintenance.
Please check back again soon.

So much for getting an answer. How is that for transparency?

Even the Sandusky Register sided with the pro-levy voters.

TellTheTruth

The recent Perkins Report indicated the $3.5 Million loan is being paid out of the inside millage moved to PI. Further evidence of mismanagement of taxpayer funds.

VOTENO

You parents now have three choices.

1. Pay the $730 per sport.
2. Don't pay the $730 per sport and not let your kids play.
3. Open enroll your kids into a surrounding district that doesn't have Gunners ridiculous fees.

Fromthe419

I agree VOTENO, how many games have you attended that were not at maximum capcity? What do the sports teams contribute as far as revenue? I've attended many a basketball game where there was standing room only, I know track and baseball don't make as much revenue, but I believe basketball and football as well as few girls sports more than make the pay for play a non-issue

PyrkinsPyrate

How many Starbucks could we buy with the 3 million dollars that Gunner spent on designing his new academy? How many movies is that equivalent to? You Yes voters really have nothing to say about blowing 3 million dollars on the school the voters rebuked. And the $1.7M on the new stadium while the sky was falling? But everyone still gets a free laptop right? And the Free Chinese teachers who live in a house that is also free????? Oh I am loving it.

Mr. D

Many ways to raise some of the money for extra activities. . . Magazine drive, seed sale, car washes, overpriced candy sale, raffles, sports/music boosters, spaghetti dinner, bake sales, spaghetti dinners, benefit auctions and Christmas tree sale are just a few ideas to help raise some money. Be creative, involve kids, parents, teachers,fans/boosters; everyone will be more appreciative, especially the kids and they gain valuable insight of the real world!!!

Good 2 B Me

Have we ever sold anything commenorating the District before they 'Dismantle' it? Or will they be selling bricks and mortar from the school buildings as they get torn down?

Love614

Be a Blue Streak!

dire wolf

Did this fail have anything to do with the money scam for the football field? At least they got what was most important to the school board. The school will suffer, but the football stadium looks better. It's weird though, 'cause i thought that education should have come first..

PerkinsBlueStreak

I must agree it's a shame that the levy failed but has anyone considered having Perkins Township being paying city taxes? Think of how much money that would be put towards the schools instead of letting the rest of Erie County who don't live in the township help pay for their extracurriculars

Diane Schaefer

Perkins TOWNSHIP (which is not the same as Perkins Schools) as it is today is not permitted to pass a CITY tax. That is one reason people chose to live in the township rather than the city. Of course if you work in the city of Sandusky, Huron, etc., you still pay CITY taxes to them regardless of where you live.

Perkins Local School District (which includes more than just Perkins Township) could if they choose to adopt a Local School District tax which is collected when you pay your Ohio state taxes. This would be collected then from those that had taxable income and not from those that do not (supposedly those on a fixed income). Perhaps this is the way to go. I know Norwalk and Western Reserve have school taxes. Not certain if it has to be voted on or not.

shocked911

First, let me say that I do not comment on here often. This situation more than warrants as many opinions that can be posted a possible. Without discussion, there can be no resolution to the problem at hand. Let's start by addressing the State of Ohio and their current and past public education funding issues/agenda. How many of you are actually familiar with DeRolph v. State of Ohio? Have you actually read the case law? It was ruled on by a 4-3 margin by the Ohio Supreme Court that the way Ohio funds its public education system is unconstitutional. The ruling was handed down on March 24, 1997. Our public school funding system is BROKEN and has been for 16 years and more! Next, let's educate ourselves on what our current Governor has done for Ohio's public schools. Our fearless leader in Columbus (along with our not so wonderful legislature) made sweeping changes in how Ohio funds public school districts. This has equated to an average of 12%-14% reductions in state funds to ALL public school districts. The reason why some school districts "feel" this financial cut more than others is because of our BROKEN PUBLIC SCHOOL FUNDING SYSTEM! The "rich" districts keep getting richer and the poor districts keep getting poorer. The districts that fall in the middle very rarely rise to the top and overcome their funding problems. Bottom line is this: What can ALL of us do to fix this Perkins Public Schools funding issue? Come together and find a solution. I can remember learning that if you see a problem, don't complain and gripe about it. Find a solution, and if you cannot find a solution, work with others to find a solution. I want to challenge each and every person who voted NO or YES to step up to the plate and help find a VIABLE solution to the problem. If you chose to live in a particular municipality, no matter where it is, would it not be smart to invest in the public education system one way or another? Good school districts draw new people to live within that community. Bad school districts drive potential new residents away. If our housing market becomes stagnate, it runs the risk of causing property values to fall. I for one do not need my home value to drop anymore than it already has due to the 2008 recession. I am a local business owner, taxpayer, parent, and a concerned citizen. I for one think that our BOE needs to choose wisely on how to spend what little money we have as a district. Sports, art, music, band, choir, foreign languages, and computers are ALL important in helping shape the lives of our most important members of our community: our children. I did vote yes for the levy, BUT I do not agree with all of the decisions that have been made by our BOE. I will say this: I am no longer sitting back and watching the most important years of my youngest son's life be affected by poor financial planning (State of Ohio, BOE, and voters!). If a seat opens up for the BOE, it is my plan to step up to the plate and run for the open position. Not to say that our current board is terrible, but there are some VERY tough decisions that need to be made. There are areas of "fluff" that can be cut from our current budget (asst principal positions, Chinese language positions, etc...). At some point down the road the buildings will need to be addressed due to their current condition and more years = added wear. If we do not plan now, where will be in 5 years? How about 10 years? Please, write your local Ohio House of Representative and Ohio Senator. The State school funding issue as a whole needs to be fixed!!!!!

Gardenman

I would agree with most of what you say about the State of Ohio funding schools in Ohio. Its a mess, always has been a mess and given the Republicans in charge will not get corrected anytime soon. Not that Democrats have been a whole lot better in solving the problem either over the years.

I have relation in Pennsylvania and they like Indiana DO NOT have the problem. They vote in bond levies but operating levies they do not. The Board of Education sets the budget and that is broken down to so many mills of taxation and that is it. All done no vote. You are not happy with the taxes put on your property then you vote in a new school board.

Going back to Ohio I do remember a comment by Chris Redfern in his first terms in House before term limits forced him out. Of course, he is now back. Several years ago with the DeRolph decision and the manuvering of the Ohio House and Senate to avoid this and that Chris Redfern said this should have happen. The Ohio Supreme Court locked all the state legislators in their chambers and secured it by the State Highway Patrol. Court to the legislators you do not leave till you come out with an acceptable school funding plan that meets the Ohio Constitution. Chris said you better believe with that having been done it would not have been long for both Houses to have had a plan out and acceptable for they would not have liked being restrained from leaving the chambers 24/7.

Frankly sounds like a good deal to me to have the legislators get a school funing plan BUT I confess I don't think we taxpayers would like it for it most certainly would have meant more taxes on us and no vote.

donutshopguy

Shocked,

Did you take out the necessary paperwork to run for the school board or have you just sat back?

shocked911

I have the necessary paperwork in my hands, but to the best of my knowledge, there are no openings this November for the Perkins Local Schools BOE. IF there is an opening, it has not been advertised or spoken about. Change needs to happen and happen soon. I am neither a Repub or a Dem.....I am a proud Independent. The parties never sway my vote....it is the individual, what they stand for, and what agenda they have. I am so tired of people standing back and complaining while doing nothing to change the situation. Do not call for any elected or appointed officials resignation unless you have hard core facts!!! Or for those of you who wish to throw jabs and laugh at our school district being on the verge of a horrible downward slide, please grow up and put on your big girl/big boy pants and be part of the solution, not part of the problem. If you think you have all of the answers, step up to the plate and run for the position! I myself do not have all of the answers, but I am willing to role up my sleeves and dig in to find out what is feasible and what is not. Remember, work together not against each other.

VoteYesNow

There are two spots for which you can run from my understanding.

Diane Schaefer

The deadline for filing a petition for a position (Township Trustee/School Board) on the November ballot, I believe, is 4:00 pm today, August 7th. That why the Board had to have their meeting this morning in order to make the filing deadline.

PerkinsBandStudent

The only people you punished was the Students. Every Student must now pay to participate in band and athletics at a price that is too steep for many families. Our assistant Band Director is losing his job and we will now only have one person in charge of around students 160 like myself. I'm hope you're glad that you are hurting my education just to keep a few bucks in your pocket. You should be ashamed of your selves. All this nonsensical talk I hear about "Gun Control" to "save our children" that so many of you would probably be behind. You have truly now limited the quality education that was once taught at Perkins, true the board has been spending extremely poorly in the past but this time, this time we are losing too much, and its all your fault.

bobshumway92

It's simple. Transfer to another school. Problem solved.

PerkinsBandStudent

If you really think that is a solution then you don't understand the problem.

registerer

Actually, you don't go to school for athletics. If you want to be a professional athlete drop out of school and pursue that dream. Let me know how that works out for you.

PerkinsBandStudent

I'm not an athlete, and I don't want to be. I am however a musician, and as we are losing a director it will be impossible to have the the 6 bands throughout the district that we had. The high school lost upwards of 6 teachers before this levy failed an we are going to lose more. If the classes end up being 60 students due to a lack of teachers then there will be a huge problem.

registerer

I feel for you but not sure how band rounds out an education today. I graduated 30 years ago and I think that I can honestly say that I have never encountered having to know any music notes, graphs etc since I have graduated.

PerkinsBandStudent

I understand the subtext of many of the greatest novels ever written, more details about American history than the average adult, and I have a basic understanding of most forms of science. I highly doubt any of this will ever help me in adult life yet the schools teach them. What I learn shouldn't have to be used. An advanced understanding of music and the skills to practise it isn't necessary to any field of work except for those that pertain to music itself, yet I am still in band to help my education. When in a class and the assinment is a group project, the point is usually to re-enforce social skills when working in groups. This never works and is just a stain on students. When student is in sports or marching band this often works much better at teaching the lesson that normal school tries to teach. I have learned more about dealing with people and social skills in band, and I have learned responsibility and discipline from being on the drum line. The point is that extra-curriculars teach better lessons for becoming a responsible adult than any class ever can. So yes it is important that these be a free/affordable part of public education, and not a steeply priced privilege.
And no I'm not going to change schools this late in my education.

registerer

You can achieve all of those things by getting a job at McDonalds. Social skills = working the cash register dealing with the customer. Team work = working on the burger building line as you have to be able to work in conjunction with the person in front/behind you. Plus you get to learn the life lesson of watching your money go to paying taxes!

PerkinsBandStudent

Nobody that works as McDonald's has any social skill, that's why they work at McDonalds. You're sounding like you would just like it if no one went to school and just worked a job they hated instead so you can pay a bit less on your taxes. If you're going to whine about not paying your part of taxes that you should(yes you should, most of that levy this year would have gone to make up for all of the budget cuts that happened earlier this year) be paying. The simple fact is that Perkins has been losing more and more money, the high school is in disrepair, the teachers are becoming fewer and the classes larger. Maybe you also think that your tax money shouldn't go to build any roads that you don't drive on, or not go to police and fire-department because you own a handgun and a fire extinguisher and don't require their survices. Taxes isn't about what YOU want its about what is NEEDED for the community, and what the community of Perkins needs is a quality and well funded school system. And unless the teachers and staff decide they don't need a salary, were going to need money for that to happen.

registerer

You have a lot to learn.

First of all you go to school to get educated. Not extra-curricular activities. Spend your own dime on sports and that stuff. Learn the skills to get you a job that can sustain you and your family for your life. To many people believe that their kids will be the next best thing in sports and that is what they focus on. That only happens to probably .001%. However, like colleges, high schools are starting to focus more and more on sports as that is the money trail. No sports and your money goes to other school districts via open enrollment. So to combat that schools are dumping more money into athletic facilities. Not the primary reason my kids went to school.

One must ask just what is needed at this school and how to achieve those results. I am guessing that honesty from the administration is the number 1 priority. Being dishonest and playing games with the people that feed you will simply not work. Being that you apparently have little to no responsibilities as far as supporting a household let me give you your first life skill and I hope that you will always remember...you can't spend what you don't have. The taxpayers constantly are being asked for more money whether it is through school taxes, park taxes, federal-state and local taxes, utilities, insurances, groceries etc. Once you start funding a household you will find that sometimes an extra $200 or $300 per year is to much for some families to bear.

Some day you might get it. By the way there have been some pretty influential people that have worked their way up through McDonald's, BK, Wendy's etc.

PerkinsBandStudent

How many times have you used biology in your career? How about calculus or poetry? US History? All of school is not to educate you just to get a job. Its to educate you because they want you to not being a working class drone. The only reason you learn so much in high school is so you can get into college. When looking at it from a student, the place where I learn the most about hard work is my time spent in the band which is what I spend most of my time at the school on to help us get a higher rating at competitions. You learn to keep your mouth shut and do what you are told, taught to be on time, and ready for work, teaches you to find a sense of respect for those who deserve it. I have learned to be on time or early to everything I'm expected to be at, to listen to my boss and do my job, to do the work until the work is done and not a second before. I have learn none of this in any class room. I learned it on the field with pride in what I had become a part of. Most students in who are not in sports or band or disrespectful, untimely, often clueless about how the world works, and lazy. You apperently don't understand that the best place to learn all of this is through a group much like a marching band. And you might understand that having a pay-wall limiting only students with well-off families is a most tragic thing, especially for a public school. I'm about a three day from getting on a boat to Kelly's Island to do more work than the football team does in two months, I will be working from dawn until dusk every night for that week in the hot sun carrying a drum. If you actually see a Perkins Marching Band half-time show you might just understand how much effort we put it. I do agree that the administration is entirely at fault and they are the ones whom you condemn for their lack of transparency and lies, but they still have their high paying jobs, while dedicated teachers no longer do. You don't learn life lessons in the classroom and you never will, you can only do it by applying yourself outside of it to something you believe in and are willing to work long and hard for to see success. You just assume that YOU learned everything you needed from working a summer job, when other people are learning it in better ways that doesn't include capital gains. Also a job in a fast food place isn't necessary for anyone to be successful.
PS I haven't learned much of anything new since 8th grade and I'm a Junior, I have learned a working knowledge of every subject except high level mathematics and chemistry without a classroom, how you ask? My free laptop from the school allowed me to teach myself what the school couldn't.

Lil DAB

Student, blame your board, not the voters. ✰

PerkinsBandStudent

I, do but you're not helping.

PyrkinsPyrate

I would hate to have the job of educating children with a 3 AM bedtime.

PerkinsBandStudent

So Edgy.
Listen, everyone who you're trying to punish by voting no still have their jobs. The teachers are losing their jobs and we as a result are going to suffer the most. I would think that school is about children but I guess its about politics and not what is best for us.

Wald

You'll still have books when school starts, right? You'll still have a classroom to sit in and teachers to teach the classes, right? If you can't afford the activity fee, get a summer job instead of blogging at 3 and 4 A.M.

PerkinsBandStudent

When the classes are to large even with the amount of teachers we had it can only get worse. I would get a job if I could have a ride to work, but both my parents work full time and can't afford to buy a car for me. and I already do pay fees to be in the marching band that don't include the new additional one. Also I don't sleep because of chronic insomnia.

Edwin Ison

Bicycle

PerkinsBandStudent

Not possible from either my parents houses. It would take hours to get to even the nearest business.

Edwin Ison

Hours?

Hoss McGee

Think he might be the open enrolled kid from Betty Rinderle. That's why it would take hours to ride a bicycle to a job

Stop It

PyrkinsPyrate, this one does not sleep. It's a zombie or meth head. PerkinsBandStudent is not a student. Run...fast..

PerkinsBandStudent

I'm a student both in high school and on my own time. And on my way to be more intelligent than most of peers could ever hope for.

sugar

You cannot intimidate and criticize the hand that feeds you Perkins, the hand has said no! Instead of doing what the rest of us have been doing for years and making do with what we have you're still threatening and whining. Now get on with it, if the dedicated educators want to leave I am more then positive there will be a boatload of resumes sitting at the BOE's front door.

Wald

I guess free pizza and ice cream and children going door to door can't buy votes. NO means NO! Vote NO in November when more money is wasted putting the same issue on the ballot...again!

Wald

I expect that the BOE will be flooded with calls from levy supporters today pledging generous donations to the schools, right? You might have to skip Chet and Matt's on Friday night or Perkins Pancake House on Sunday morning, but it's supposedly "for the students", right? And what a generous donation could have been made by the levy committee instead of wasting money on t-shirts, hot dog picnics, free pizza, free ice cream, and curb signs. Donate that cash to the schools! Come on, local businesses (especially the ones with levy signs). You could donate $1.7 million for a football stadium. How about saving teachers, art, and band? Put your money where your mouths are!

bobshumway92

No more Chet and Matt's for me. I will never eat there again.

queenjhb

bobshumway92, I agree, I cant even drive by this restaurant and not remember all of this crap.

donutshopguy

Just so people understand. "NO" voters are not against the school or children. They disagree with the present superintendent and school board on the direction the school is heading. They are using their rights to voice their opinion at the voting booth.

I know of many "NO" voters. At this time, to my knowledge, they are supplying over $500 dollars this year in free supplies to students. They are building and purchasing other equipment to help teachers in their classrooms. They are donating endless hours of their time to make the school a better place. My best estimate is that "NO" voters pledged over $85,000 to the renovated stadium complex. And, the flag that flies over that field was donated by a "NO" voter.

"NO" voters are doing it for the kids in the past and now.

EZOB

WALD: They could at least donate enough money for the students to participate in sports. This will show if they were serious with their slogan, "It's for the Students". I'd bet the only money they'll see is for their own child to participate if ever there is a fee. They might charge just to say they were honest about the participation fees.

Pirate Mom

I attended the meeting this morning. All cuts stand. All fees remain in place.

queenjhb

ezob, They? you really should give all your extra income to the schools, you are welcome to do this, it means a lot to do so, but stay away from my wallet.

AEversole

Glad my son isn't going to Perkins next year

AEversole

Families with money and the means will be leaving the district...less tax dollars forvthe township.... repeadtedly failed Levys can destroy a whole area.

sorryhog

They don't get it. They want to raise our taxes, but our income doesn't go up. especially if you are on a fixed income. You can't get blood out of a turnip! Wake up people, control your spending, like we have to!

erieone

I wonder how many parents spend $200 a year on video games for their children?

Laughing

It's disappointing to see the negativity and nonsupport of the Perkins community. Think about who you really affected. It's not Gunner. He still has a high paying job today. And even if you got the board to fire him they would have to pay out his contract. I'm pretty sure with his education he would find a job elsewhere. Then all of you would just complain about the next person.
As for me I had to do what's best for my family. As of today they are open enrolled in a neighboring school district. No, it's not Sandusky as many of those people hoped for failure. Wouldn't send my kids to a school system that only meets 8 out of 26 indicators and whose sports are pathetic. So we are taking your $11,200 of tax payer dollars out of Perkins. Thanks, as my to kids will be playing sports at no extra cost to me somewhere else.
It's seems from reading these blogs that many people are just bitter and miserable with their own lives. But I guess I understand. If the highlight of my life was sitting behind a computer at all hours blogging I guess I would be miserable too. Before some of you career bloggers(VOTEihaveNOlife, butshovedwayin92, and I missedthefifteenthgreen to name a few) get all excited and start one-handed keyboarding, this will be my only blog and there will be no reply.

The New World Czar

"Thanks, as my to(sp?) kids will be playing sports at no extra cost to me somewhere else"

When your kids aren't the star player you think they are, will you then move them to another school district, or Sandusky, or back to Perkins? Just stop and think- "what's best for my family"...

fifteenthgreen

What, Laughing?

queenjhb

@ laughing , wow, you are bitter, I need the income for bills etc....why not give to the schools yourself? Please , any extra income will help out. I thought not.

True Blue

Yes, we need more support from our state, but we didn't support Mr. Gunner and the BOE moving the milage. All yes voters state, "for our kids education." Moving operational monies to building our "new campus" wasn't for the kids education, was it? So, yes voters supported the "hostage taking" of pay to play for sports. You let Mr. Gunner use all of you. Mr. Gunner and the BOE made you believe we'll build without the voters support. Now you blame seniors and the no voters,for the unethical moves Mr. Gunner and the BOE made.

Truth or Dare

St. Augustine's definition of pride in the first sense is : The love of one's own excellence. The other sense? Humility, Guilt.

We were always told that participating in extra curriculars @ Perkins, such as sports, wasn't something deserved, let alone a right, but rather a privilege EARNED! How things have changed over the last 5 yrs. From the sounds of things, w/the threat of a ridiculous pay to play fee, only the monetarily privileged will be able to participate! Don't be too surprised if you see more student athletes willing to sit out a year and open-enrolling on the north side of the Mason Dixon line, let alone any other school within the SBC playing area that has open arms to open enrollment students!

Shame on the arrogance, the haughtiness of ALL that made the grave mistake in attacking an entire community's personal sense of what it means to possess true "PIRATE PRIDE"!

registerer

I think OHSAA changed the "sit out" period to a shorter length, maybe 6 months?

ARoss

We live in the United States-- Land of the free. We have lots of liberties and rights that others in other countries do not. One is the right to vote... A vote is an individual choice. Why should someone who voted "NO", be crucified for their decision, or vice versa. I DIDN'T vote. I'm one of the one's who are being accused of 'not caring'. I'm sorry, I was working all day and never made it. Polls weren't open when I went in, and were closed when I went home. However, if I was able to make it there to vote, I would of voted "NO". Not because I couldn't afford the extra taxes, but because I 'honestly' didn't know what voting "YES" would mean. I didn't know enough about what the levy would entail. I agree with Knuckle Dragger. Make it a school tax. That way the elderly don't suffer, the apartment dwellers have to kick in, and the home owner's don't get screwed. You can fight with me all you want, but last I checked. My right to vote and how (if) I vote is none of anyone's business. For those of you who voted yes and feel strongly about supporting the school, how about each and every one of you write out a check for $200 right now and send it to the PSD. You were willing to pay it anyway right? That might make you feel better. The people who are commenting on this forum will never agree. You have folks on both sides... and all you're doing is going back and forth bashing people. I don't understand what that accomplishes... if you're that frustrated with the vote then do something about it. Casting stones at people for how they voted isn't accomplishing anything.

I wouldn't have a problem paying a school tax... I think all of the levy's and extras on the ballet just confuse the average citizen / voter. I don't know if the dollar figures that someone quoted are true (the pay to play fee), but $700+ seems quite high. Schools all around the area have already been 'paying to play'. We, as adults have to pay for gym memberships, we have to pay for gas, we have to pay for school supplies... heck, when my my kids were in kindergarten, each parent bought a box of tissues to send to school the first day, and it gave the whole classroom a years supply for community use... this isn't something new. We live in a world where you have to pay for things you want. I do agree though, that the building needs some work... it's in sad shape, really. Maybe they should of spent less on their football field and more on the building (where the actual 'learning' takes place). Priorties are outta whack.

KnuckleDragger

The only ones who will have to pay the fee are those who can afford it anyway. The school will waive the fee for low income students. I have a family member who was running around as one of the vote yes group with their child trying to con people into voting yes. The reasoning, from my family members mouth, "I don't want to pay the fees for sports." After all why would they care? They live in an apartment and won't have to pay the tax. In addition this family member makes decent money, and can afford the pay to play fees. The only reason they don't want to pay them is because it might cut into the nightly dining at Nagoya or Samuri, plus going to the movies 3 nights a week. If the yes voters can tell people how to spend their money, it seems fair for me to say, stay home and cook. Stop eating at expensive restaurants every day, and take that money to pay for your child to enjoy sports. It's all about priorities.

Banker

Iam tired of reading how the no voters are to blame for this mess. If the BOE and the super wouldnt have moved 5.2 mills of inside millage to the permanent improvement funds we wouldnt be in this situation right now. WAKE UP

EZOB

erieone,
Please read this very slow and let it sink in. I am very active among veterans. In the past year I have quit supporting Wounded Warriors and the "Cleveland" Fisher House because I don't approve on the money accountability. I would have voted "NO" on this levy if the cost was only $5.00 a year. It has become a matter of "Principal" to me. Further, You'll never hear from Me how YOU should spend YOUR money.

registerer

Not the Fisher House! That is one of my favorite charities.

VoteYesNow

You no voters need to get out. Send your kids to other schools...see if we care! We have Perkins Pride and WILL pass the levy in November!

Cowboy

Hahaha, dont think we are leaving for a minute. We have one more year of pay to play and the way we and our money have been treated this year by Gunner and the Kool-aid drinkers we won't be supporting any levy until they are all out of their positions. Hey BOE, grow some nuts and stand up to Gunner why don't you!

Cowboy

FIRE GUNNER!!!

donutshopguy

VoteYesNow,

I believe I'm correct, but people who sent their children to other schools still get to vote on levies in the district they live.

This attitude you have will not help in the next election.

underthebridge

agreed! The rah rah squad will blame the community - the very people who they hope will vote YES in November. Makes no sense.

Transplant1

AROSS. I am also a vet. I have seen first hand how people are proud to vote in other countries (IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN) and will do anything to let thier voice be heard. I was there for both. I have also seen the atrocities of what our own American men and women will sacrifice for others to vote and for our freedom and right to vote. Your piss poor excuse of not able to make it to the polls due to work is a typical lazy mans way of excuses. You know your schedule for work, and you know your life schedule. There is this really neat way of voting called absentee voting. I dont really care if you vote yes or no, that is your own oppinion and no one should bash you one way or the other, but dont mouth off about freedom, and then give and excuse that you could not make it to vote due to your own negligence. Actions speak louder than words, and what ever way you put it you are a non voter. Registered or not, so I don't know how much your oppinion really matters.

JEF

Margaretta Schools may accept your open enrollment application - small class size, $40 supply fee, no pay to play and better report card ratings.

EZOB

registerer,
Notice that I said the Cleveland Fisher House that they are trying to get built. Don't care to comment further in Public.
DSG,
I'll drive 100 miles in a snow storm to vote "NO". Also, I am going to spend a lot more than $206.00 on getting this defeated in Novemnber. This is a matter of Principal and I am putting My head down. All the "Yes" voters need to have a meeting with Gunner and the BOE and explain to them the negativity "They" have caused. You are looking at a huge defeat in November. I'll go on record and say it will be close to 60-40. You have caused this so shoulder the blame.

JERRY from SANDUSKY

The ones that like this to pass is teaching staff, board, and FREEBEE people.......Who are you

EZOB

Transplant1,
I posted that I would drive anyone to the polls free of charge. I just want people to vote. With all the atrocities that have and are taking place in the world (Including the USA) everyone should have a free choice and not be intimidated at the polls. That's why I say that everyone should go to the polls with no lettering or signs at all. The band and Perkins Sports clothing has sent a precedent and what will be acceptable in November? This is exactly how intimidation gets started. Yes or No, nobody believes that they weren't trying to send a message trying to sway your votes. I very , very strongly urge people to refrain from using these tactics. Not on the school levy, but on other serious issues, it could really cause a problem. I won't elaborate but I think you get the message I'm delivering.

Centauri

Perkins Local School District videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q...
Financial Forecast (only 13 views)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l...
Building Visions (only 24 views)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W...
District Vision by Building (only 24 views)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f...
State of Schools 2012 Full Version (only 16 views)
Full video is almost 90 minutes in length

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v...
Cost Per Student at Perkins Local Schools (only 28 views)

http://www.youtube.com/user/Perk...

I am very surprised by the small number of viewers. I wonder how long the videos will stay up. Will the information contained in the videos be quickly taken down like the information in the Perkins Levy site?
http://perkinslevy.com/

nofufucat

If you decide to run for the school board please let the public know. As far as I have been able to read from your comments both you and donutshopguy are both viable candidates. You both back up statements with FACTS and not wishful thinking.

nofufucat

sorry double post

ARoss

Transplant. Thanks for your service. I do vote. I didn't get there. Big Woop... my freakin' "NO" vote wouldn't have done a damn thing but piss just one more person off. I have voted "YES" for levies in the past. This one was a "NO" for me, and as a REGISTERED VOTER, I am entitled to vote how I choose so go blow smoke up someone elses rear end. If there were enough of the "YES" voters, then this would be a non issue for you. you're just pissed it didnt' go your way. Go buy a pacifier.

Transplant1

My biggest issue is also the lack of voters. We have 10106 registered voters and only 4624 voted. Land owners, people with or without children, whom ever, that is absolutly rediculous. The yes and no voters don't need to spend more money, they need to get a hold of the non voters and sway them. This is free. For everyone complaining about money, look at the numbers, put together a marketing plan and find the votes in the non voters...free to everyone. I personally don't have a problem with wearing any kind of shirt or clothing. Just like a person wearing a democrat or republican shirt. That is not against the rules or law. Wearing anything showing support, i.e. vote yes, vote no, is a violation and that should be taken care of. If it is not breaking rules then people have the right and people who have served have done so to protect that right. I am still very confused with why are we voting in a church. There is a policy in Washington called separation of church and state. I am very confident that voting for polical offices, or levies has nothing to do with church but everything to do with state. Can anyone explain this.

underthebridge

I think the deadline to sunbit paperwork to the Board of Elections is this week. I hope the SR reports who the challengers of the 2 BOE members who are up for re-election.

Truth or Dare

Hey VoteYesNow; Guess you must be blinded by that arrogance, let alone possess ZERO sense of humility? It's clearly evident who cares and who doesn't. I'm an outsider looking in, with family living in the Twnshp., attending Perkins Schools, family whose children have graduated as well, family that is retired and on a fixed income. We left the twnsp. some 5 yrs. ago. Why? It's called the RECESSION and the loss of a job/income due to the company closing their doors, therefore no longer being able to AFFORD to live within the PSD! It hit us in 06! WE hung in there for as long as possible, blowing through college savings for our kids in only two years, just to make it through so our youngest could graduate from PHS in 08!!!

Such arrogance really makes ya wanna puke! You know, at that time of graduation, the Principal of the HS actually stated he felt bad for the kids. Why? No jobs to come back to here, not even within their own school district they graduated from! Oh, and yes we were/are renters. So please for all those that seem to be ignorant to this fact, when a school levy passes and property taxes are raised, it is inevitable that your rent goes up as well to cover the cost! So to think renters don't contribute, THINK AGAIN! Heck ours just went up where we're at now? Why? To help our landlord/realtor w/all of his other properties maintenance and cost of FREE utilites, of which by the way we receive nothing free and have sunk our own $$$$$'s into a place we call home and take pride in! You know, they say IGNORANCE IS BLISS. That's a flat out lie!

You do your cause NO FAVOR WHATSOEVER! I would suggest getting on the bandwagon and taking as many YES/NO voting residents, as many employees of the PSD that works for EVERYONE WITHIN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, and gets paid by, including Administrators that are willing to back you all up, down to Columbus to address that 30 YR. OLD UNCONSTITUTIONAL RULING set forth by the Ohio Supreme Court regarding the funding of public schools in Ohio!

One last question; How many perks has Perkins Administrators been willing to give up? How much in taxpayer $$$$$'s have they been willing to GIVE BACK TO HELP THE CAUSE? How many double dippers that have supposedly retired, aren't dipping anymore?

queenjhb

@ truth or dare, I agree that they are arrogant, they feel they can just ask for more no matter how badly it is managed, and we will blindly give more & more. Yes, renters your rent will possibly increase, as will bills, food, gas this winter and medical bills, we all need to keep what we have in our wallets, best of luck, thank you.

Cowboy

Now that this is over please take down the signs. Kinda funny how us, no voters, didn't even need signs. Can you imagine if WE spent as much as they did to tell us lies, how many more NO votes there would be.......hmmmmmm?

citizen

That is a great point and even more telling about the sentiments in the community regarding Gunner and Board.

Pro tax increase supporters had an expansive, well organized system to spread their propaganda, including the help and endorsement of the local "media". No voters had no organization, very few speaking out, and it STILL fails by 6+ points.

Transplant1

AROSS. Apparently you did not read that i dont care if you voted yes or no. re read previous post. I am not mad either way that it did or did not pass. This is the beauty of voting. I am glad you are a registered voter. You are now in with the other over 5000 registered voters who either have or don't have excuses. If you are going to self identify that you did not vote because of one reason or the other then at least own up and say that next time or any other time you cannot make it and know in advance then absentee vote. Once again, i don't care how you vote, never have, never will. Just Vote.

ARoss

Perkins Administrators give up something? Eh, I bet not!

Transplant1

Truth or Dare. Point exactly. Yes and No voters, shut up and stop getting on your neightbors and community members about who is right and wrong about the levy. Every land owner in the state is wrong for not going after the State of Ohio to properly fund schools. Rally the troops and head south. Put your actions in place of your words.

VOTENO

VOTE NO IN NOVEMBER! AGAIN!

Informed

I don't live in Perkins nor have family in Perkins, so I don't have a horse in this race. However, as an objective person looking in, I have a few comments/observations.

One reason for the low voter turn-out could be because some people are so torn by this and can't truly decide one way or the other. I know I would have been very torn if I was voting on this. If you truly can't decide, it's better to just not vote in some people's eyes.

A couple of people mentioned renters not paying property taxes. This is simply not true. When a landlord decides on a rental price, he is taking into consideration things like taxes and other expenses and figuring them into the rent. So, other than those living in subsidized housing where the government is paying all or part of their rent, renters do pay property taxes, it's just indirectly through their rent to the landlord who then pays the township, rather than directly to the township. Otherwise a landlord would lose money and wouldn't be in business for long.

Someone mentioned how public schools in Florida are funded. Very bad example as schools in Fla have a terrible reputation and are horribly underfunded. Someone else mentioned Pennsylvania, which is a much better example.

I hope for all involved, that some resolution and compromise can be reached.

ISPSP

"One reason for the low voter turn-out could be because some people are so torn by this and can't truly decide one way or the other. I know I would have been very torn if I was voting on this. If you truly can't decide, it's better to just not vote in some people's eyes." - Informed

There are four registered voters in my household. Only two voted. The two that did not vote (one currently in college, the other a recent college graduate) felt -

1. They did not have the information to make an informed vote, as they didn't have the appropriate resources while away.

2. Because neither one of them plan on returning to the area, they didn't feel that they should vote yes out of loyalty to Perkin's Local Schools, and leave the onus of a tax increase on those that might not be able to afford it.

I hope this at least explains why two of the 10,000 registered voters didn't go to the polls.

swimfan

Did you know that the Perkins baseball coach and girls softball team were at the OVH taking residents to vote yesterday? I wonder what the results were overall? LOW, LOW, LOW....and so sweet!!

queenjhb

@ swimfan, Many at OVH have medical problems and or dementia, many don't, its sickening to think that some of these vets were lead around by the nose to vote[ betcha they were told to vote yes] in the future the vets could vote absentee, This is disrespectful, these citizens should be honored not used. Bless them all and thank you for your service. Shame to those that took advantage of them , very disrespectful practice.

Transplant1

Appropriate resources? That is what parents are for. Lived out of the country for over a decade, never missed a vote. Ever. If i had questions i did my own research, talked to family, used internet. Your kids are in college for pete's sake. What are you paying for if they cannot make informed decions. When I was in college I voted, making my own educated decisions. Sounds like a cop out. Another excuse. Read the forum, they are full of excuses.

ISPSP

Are you responding to my post?

ISPSP

Over 24 hours later and still waiting.......

Transplant1

Yes I was replying to your post.

ISPSP

I apologize if I was unclear. My adult children DO vote. They just didn't vote in this particular levy election for the aforementioned reasons.

I don't think that is a cop out. Additionally, as stated, neither one has plans to return to the area. How many posters would have a coronary about "college students" voting for a tax increase when they won't be paying those taxes.

I fully understand your anger at those that did not vote. It aggravates me as well. I firmly believe if you don't vote, you can't ... Well you know.

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