Unofficial results: Perkins levy fails

About 54 percent of township voters opposed tax levy
Sandusky Register Staff
Aug 6, 2013

 

Unofficial results from the Erie County Board of Elections shows the Perkins School District levy lost by about 340 votes. 

The final tally of the 4,624 votes cast, according to the elections office:

• Against the levy: 2,482, or about 54 percent of the total.  

• For the levy: 2,142, or about 46 percent of the total.  

Be sure to pick up Wednesday's Register for reactions and comments from voters and school officials. 

 

Comments

badboy

Not a peep out of Matt?

citizen

I've wondered where Mr. Westerhold has been...

I'm afraid his endorsement might have had the opposite effect he was hoping it would have.

citizen

Someone here had a multiple choice question that said it all.

The Board has no ears.

Bottom line is, the Board needs to wake up and act. How many more more building rejections are needed? Gunner will ruin this school district with his divisive leadership if this continues to drag on..

fifteenthgreen

Can a teacher/coach that has been laid off and is currently drawing unemployment, work or assist any program they were associated with...for free? Was their name/position used as a pawn to get votes?

EZOB

15th,
I'm pretty sure they can as long as they are not getting paid and they are not going to be paid in the future. If they are, they would have to return the unemployment money. An officer of a corporation candraw benefits as long as they are not paid and can still work and hold their position. This I know.

fifteenthgreen

What if they are receiving a supplemental(s) for their efforts?

citizen

Kudos to the Perkins Band assistant director for volunteering, then.

Perhaps the rest of the Perkins coaches could donate their time... FOR THE KIDS! Then, they would eliminate all the pay to play fees.

I call on all of the Perkins Athletic head and assistant coaches to volunteer their time for their love of their sport, their love and passion for their school, and of course, FOR THE KIDS! It'd only be what... one night out per month, a 6 pack of beer, and a couple cups of Starbucks? Come on Perkins coaches- put your money where your mouth is. It's time to step up- FOR THE KIDS!

believeit

Assuming you work, if your supervisor said that you need to work for 20-40 more hours per week for the sake of the company for no pay, how would you take it? Of course teachers are there "for the kids", but they also have lives (and expenses).

citizen

That is exactly what the pro tax increase supporters were asking all of us to do. SACRIFICE FOR THE CHILDREN!

We've had a litany of items on here that we were told we needed to give up each month FOR THE CHILDREN (from nights out, to Starbucks coffee, to Chet & Matt's pizza, to 6-packs of beer).

Taxpayers are asked to sacrifice and increase their taxes FOR THE CHILDREN, yet coaches and advisors can't sacrifice their stipends? Don't they have any pride and love for their school? Don't they care about the children?

And 40 hours per week for a coach or advisor? HAHA

queenjhb

believeit, coaches volunteer all the time ,Little League, church teams , rec. teams for the love of the sport & kids. Save your schools funds and volunteer. Now that shows dedication.

JJr12

Been there done that, still do. What coaches make isn't that much. A head coach may make enough to cover 4 kids to play. That doesn't include having to deal with parents wanting to know why their kid isn't playing as much as so and so. Not to mention the amount of money the coaches put into their program probably exceeds what they are being payed, so yes they are in essence volunteering their time to coach the kids.

$2,190... That's what a parent will pay if their child plays 3 sports. A lot of parents have 2 kids in high school. This doesn't include the increased fees for Choir, Academic Challenge or classes.

But just as long as you don't have to pay a little bit more per month in taxes your happy. Just don't go bitching when all of our property values decrease because we have a school system that nobody wants to go to.

Yes some may not have kids and could care less about the school. But what you don't realize is that it is the school district that brings in the families. With a declining school district that is not affordable you won't bring in families that will in turn increase your property values. But you don't care about that. You are more concerned with what is happening to you now.

Free Man

please we must educate the children or they will be doomed to work at nasa plumbrook.

believeit

The really sad thing is that when the original vision of Gunner was introduced, it was an unbelievable opportunity. We could have had an entire campus (with or without "fountains") that would have been the envy of the the entire state for less than $150 per year for a 100,000 home. This included a much more efficient combined campus, stadium (before the new one went in), a community theater, pool, gym and classrooms for adult learning. It would have been a true community facility, not to mention more efficient for years to come. But as soon as increased taxes were involved, people freaked and voted it down. Of course times were not good (that's why it was a stimulus package - get construction job going while costs were lower), but it was the most golden of golden opportunities. That's what Gunner saw and assumed would be a slam dunk. Instead, many Perkins residents couldn't see the big picture and it has been downhill ever since. They said make it smaller, so Gunner did. Still no. Now they say get rid of Gunner. If he leaves, it will be something else. Teachers make too much, administrators double-dip (which actually saves money, but don't try to convince no votes of that), get rid of extra-curriculars (its always something). No matter how you spin it, it is going to more expensive in the future, even if the district is dissolved and Perkins merges with Sandusky (admittedly a long shot, but the desire of many). Obviously, the original opportunity has passed and it is up to future leaders to figure out what to do. Unfortunately, like the federal government, there seems to be a lot of a lack of solutions and just "no" to whatever comes up. I hope it changes, but from the posts so far, I am not confident. How sad that a district that was so envied (and despised by competitors), has to fight for its life from within. What is most disturbing is how gleeful the no voters are in their "victory". Really? What did you win? I guess you know more than me. The value of your property has decreased, the district is known to all outsiders as the place that does not support education, the facilities continue to decline (certainly to unbiased state inspectors), and the no voters are exuberant in that "I helped the district to have financial problems- yeah me, but I'll get Gunner". Almost unbelievable, but in this day and age, not really. Many of the no voters are getting help from taxpayers (medicaid, disability, food stamps, tax exemption etc., if in fact they can't afford a tax increase and are living paycheck to paycheck) but don't have the compassion to help others. If you saw the picture in the Register of the teachers that just lost their jobs and were not moved, then nothing more can be said. Yes, I am venting, but I am not rich, yet I always vote for education. Oh well.

Wald

Don't spend beyond your means. That's something you need to learn. Gunner has, which is the reason Perkins is in the situation it is in, so quit blaming the taxpayers who voted NO. The school is fine, according to the truly "unbiased" health department. You really think the state inspectors were "unbiased"? They were paid to find problems and guess what? They found problems. I've lived around the area my entire life. I'm not sure where the Perkins school is that you so egocentrically think everyone "envied" and "despised". That comment right there says it all. It's time you get a reality check and realize that people can't afford tax hikes just so you can have the newest, shiniest facilities in the area. People can't afford higher taxes just so you can (in your own mind) be the envy of everyone else. Get over yourself.

Rosa

Thanks Wald,truer words were not spoken. What is it that Believe it and all those other do not get about tightening the budget. We want the schools to do what we have to do in our personal lives. I would love a new home, but we just fix what we have. Also as we get older, we do not wished to taxed out of our homes. It's a slap in the face to all the taxpayers to keep going with this unethical immoral tax levy business.

queenjhb

envy is over rated. You can't heat your home w/ it, eat it, or run your car on it. I'm not getting any Medicaid, disability ,food stamps, etc. Compassion? Where do you get off labeling people ? Envy? I think you need to open your eyes.

bear53

Buildings don't teach the children,people do.If the high school was maintained as it should have been,more usage can be gotten out of it before replacement.But no!We have to have a new one with all the bells and whistles,so let's spend our cash on architechs instead.Sound financial planning?I think not.Live within your means.And to you yes voters who want everyone else to pay for your kid's extras,let them work for the cash.They'll appreciate it more.That's how many of us got the extra things when we were in school.

believeit

You didn't have to pay for the extras when you were in school. That's one of the sad things about today's school finances. "Pay to play" didn't exist when funding was better.

bear53

I paid for my own cleats,sports physical and other things in high school.We didn't have extra cash in our home.If I wanted it,I had to pay for it.Plain and simple.

EZOB

believeit,
You remeber all the fine points but you could have elaborated a little further. How about the Gym and swimming pool that were going to be open 24 hours for all of Erie County. It was like we were footing the bill to replace the YMCA. Was it a new High School? Workout Center? Maybe a Year round Exercize Center. I was at the Meeting and have to admit that I was really confused. Just what in the heck is going through these people's minds? Voters will never approve this and Some of us were ridiculed in a round about way. I sat at a round table and they made sure to place a school supporter at each table. Every time we tried discussing money, extravagance, or the real need of a new school these "ADVISORS" cut in a knew it all. I finally said that I wish she would just keep quiet as you weren't really invited to sit with us. Oh yes, I remember.

Wald

I saw the list of candidates for the school board in today's paper. Jason Bennett is one of them, and I think he was in charge of the levy committee, so I'm definitely not voting for him. What are the names of the two incumbents? I will not vote for them either. I think that leaves me with two other choices.

Julie R.

How does Jason Bennett's home at 2204 Quail Hollow ~ right next to judge Roger Binette's home at 2206 Quail Hollow ~ get valued lower than it was 22 years ago? That sure is odd.

I'm also curious about a couple notices that the Erie County Probate Court had in the SR last week referring to "Requests for Name Changes." (Case #13-9-047 & Case #13-9-048) At first I thought the requests were from one of the Erie County Common Pleas Court judge's and his wife, but instead it's obviously the judge's parents. The Erie County Probate Court also gives the elderly couple's address as 928 Glenview Drive in Huron, Ohio yet the Erie County auditor's records don't say that. Instead, the Huron County auditor office's list their address in Norwalk, Ohio.

http://www.huroncountyauditor.or...

So assuming the records in the Erie County auditor and Huron County auditor are correct, weren't the "Requests for Name Changes" supposed to be filed in the HURON COUNTY PROBATE COURT instead of Erie County?

Wald

"We've demonstrated a strong track record of being very disciplined with the use of our cash. We don't let it burn a hole in our pocket, we don't allow it to motivate us to do stupid acquisitions." -- Steve Jobs, 2010

underthebridge

It looks like Printy is not running for re-election

Bherrle

He has decided not to run again.

donutshopguy

My thoughts after the election.

Here is a sad reality that no one wants to mention. The baby boomers are all reaching retirement. That means a new large group of local citizens will be on fixed incomes.

Raising money through levies will become increasingly more difficult. The state has increased, without public vote, the sales tax. The state has eliminated the Homestead Exemption, without public vote. That will cost the baby boomers at least $200 dollars.
The county has raised sales tax, without public vote.

All of these above factors will reduce spendable income for fixed income voters.

So do we put citizens out of their homes to build a school? This is becoming a very viable situation. Who do we sacrifice, the elderly or the kids. Tough decision.

These upcoming years are going to be tough times for many. The endless supply of government money is coming to an end. This massive group of voters (baby boomers) will control the spending habits of the federal, state and local governments and institutions.

I don't believe the all or none attitude taken by the school is the proper direction in passing a levy in today's changing times. I believe it comes off as arrogant and greedy. The move of millage, though legal, has been perceived by the voting public as shady and a total slap in the face to the public who said "no" to a new building at this time.

I believe the solution to this community division is feasible. First, their must be new school board members. There must be a new superintendent. You must eliminate the distrust from the voting public. Nothing will pass until this is resolved.

Second, when the new school is deemed necessary, it must be offered to the public in steps not an all or nothing presentation. Present the public, at the voting booth, options. A basic classroom building at a cost. The gym at a cost. The natatorium at a cost. Art and music wings at a cost. I would have one caveat. The basic classroom building must be approved before any additional wings are built.

This allows the voting public the opportunity to vote for what they can afford. Isn't a basic classroom building better than the all or nothing proposal? This proposal also allows the voting public the ability to raise private funds to help defer some of the cost of the special wings. Just like the football stadium. If you believe a music area is necessary raise some funds to make it happen.

We cannot continue to use outdated and divisional methods to fund schools. The baby boomers will decide.

EZOB

DSG,
I'm just guessing that like me you figured that your present home is the one you'd be living in when you die. If this is the case, our homes were not bought as an investment, We planned on living in them until we die. I don't care what my home is worth. If an appraisor would say it is only worth half the value you are doing me a huge favor. If closing the school and sending the students to Sandusky High cuts my taxes in half, I'm all for it. Combine the fire departments under one leadership, go for it. Headquarter the Sandusky, Perkins, and Sheriff Departments all under the command of Sigsworth (An elected Official) I'm really for it. This is what is coming in the future. Small communities can no longer afford to keep all the different agencies and the schools, costing us most-70%, are the first that will realize this.

JJr12

EZOB, from your statement I am guessing you don't have any children at all. I say this because if you did, you would be concerned about your home value as the value would be distributed to your children upon your passing.

But you did show that you are a "What can you do for ME?" type of person.

donutshopguy

JJr12,

Why do you assume EZOB doesn't have kids? I have kids but I don't believe it is my obligation to pass on wealth to my children.

I've raised them. Fed them, clothed them and loved them. Taught them about personal responsibility.

That's bad?

JJr12

The selfish way of thinking is why. Apparently you may be a bit selfish as well. Let me ask you something, what if something bad happens to you and you become very ill. Say your kids have the same feelings as you do, and decide that they don't feel it is their obligation to use their wealth to help take care of you. That would leave the value of your property. Being that you would rather have lower property values, well that doesn't mean you will get much and not much is going to help pay the bills.

Hey don't worry about it. You don't care about the kids or what the parents are going to have to pay in order for their kids to achieve their education.

donutshopguy

JJr12,

Where did I say I wanted lower property values?

So using your selfless way of thinking, have you given away all your assets? Why are you waiting? I've heard redistribution of wealth is very rewarding. Why wait?

Where did I say I don't care about my kids? Where did I say I don't care about my grandkids?

It is my obligation to help educate the children in the school district I live in. But, the scope and amount I wish to participate is my decision. It's not some ego driven bureaucrat's.

Rosa

JJr12

You sound totally ridiculous...

themomx6

^^^^^^^ BHerrle????

Bherrle

How can I help you themomx6?

themomx6

Well, here's how! Answer this question for me, please. How do you feel about the unethical way the veterans at OVH were manipulated by the Perkins school administration? How can you justify what they had the student athletes do? And in case you feign ignorance, THIS is what I'm talking about:

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nonicork
Thu, 08/08/2013 - 6:25pm

I witnessed it firsthand and unfortunately I have to say it is true! I am for the schools and voted yes because of my children only - not because I want to pay more taxes. I volunteer at OVH weekly and was embarrassed to have a Perkins shirt on that day when I saw what was going on!

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BooBeeDo
Thu, 08/08/2013 - 8:08pm

VOTENO:I spoke with an employee at the Board of Elections today hoping that it was just a rumor. I was deeply saddened to find out that there was indeed an issue regarding vets being transported(by Perkins students) to the polls that could not recite their own name and had to be turned away.
I am assuming that these vets have some sort of legal guardians and should have been contacted for consent before this ever happened. I am betting they were not.
Jim Gunner should have these coaches involved to either resign or be fired. If this is the representation and guidance that we want to show Perkins students then we have a real problem. I hope that Jim Gunner was not aware of this.
Our veterans at the OVH should be treated as heroes,men that served our country proud. Treating them as pawns for a YES vote is a travesty and should not go unpunished.Hopefully, we will see if it is investigated by the Sandusky Register.

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citizen
Thu, 08/08/2013 - 10:49pm

I am so disheartened to hear that Mike Strohl, Perkins AD, forced student athletes to transport OVH residents to the polls to vote.... when some of these veterans didn't even know their own name.

Confirmed by an employee of the OVH and of the Board of Elections.

Bherrle

themomX6,

I've seen a number of comments regarding OVH Voting in the various open blogs. I wanted to take the time to find out for myself what did or did not happen at OVH. This included several conversations today.

Below (in quotes) are the instructions that the Levy Campaign received from OVH. These instructions were sent out to all volunteers, and all volunteers were expected to follow them. They are very straight forward and explicit. The intent of the Levy Campaign was only to offer assistance in getting from rooms to the poll location at OVH to those Veterans who wanted to vote.

"OVH will have its own polling place open from 7A to 7P. Being that as it is, no volunteers can wear anything (clothing, pins, badges) or have any materials (signs, brochures, etc.) supporting any party or position (I.E. Vote Yes Perkins Levy). No volunteer can discuss anything regarding the election or demonstrate any preference for any particular candidate or position. There are 13 units in OVH. Volunteers will travel to each of the units and ask the nurses as to which residents have chosen to vote and only assist those residents the nurse indicates. To do anything more or less could be considered violation of the voting laws in Ohio and punishable as a crime (they are serious about this)."

Regarding the above posts from others:

Nonicork - I know this person, and spoke with them this evening. The concern this person had was that it was students wearing Perkins apparel were there assisting, and that the Vets love being visited by younger people. The concern was that a vet may vote for the levy simply because it was a student helping them. And that the student athletes had never come to help before as a group until now. I understand Nonicork's point of view, and I don't disagree with it. I think that our children should be encouraged to help out at the OVH throughout the year. I also think that it is best, that in the future, students not be involved in election day help. It obviously has created a stigma of something improprietous being done, when the intent was only to offer help. Please also see DonutShopGuy's comment on this issue.

VoteNo: OVH officials were to be identifying for the volunteers which residents wished to vote. Volunteers were not to be looking for those who wanted to vote on their own. If that person who was identified by the OVH offical was then helped to the poll, and couldn't recite their own name, then rightfully, they should not have voted, but I don't feel that is the fault of the student. Again, the poll location was at OVH, no one was being taken off the property. Also, please see Donutshopguy's comments on this issue.

Citizen - No one was forced to help, by Mike Strohl or anyone else. Again, the poll were at OVH, not off the property. OVH is it's own Precinct, Perkins #5. Please see DonutShopGuy's comments on this issue.

I've also seen comments suggesting the people were taken from the Alzheimer's Unit to vote. Totally untrue. Access to that unit is very restricted. I beleive Nonicork also pointed this out, perhaps on the other articles blog.

Comments regading students being uncomfortable. If they were uncomfortable, then they should not have participated. No one to my knowledge was forced. If they got to the OVH and became uncomfortable, then they should have stopped. Again, to avoid even the impression of anything wrong going on in the future, I don't feel students should help on election day.

themomx6

BHerrle....thank you. May I apologize for being hasty in my accusations. Like you, I should have done my own checking, not just going by the posts of others. Again, while I may disagree with you on a lot of things, you are courteous in your responses, and I am going to try and be the same.

Bherrle

Thanks themomX6. There is a lot of emotion in the air right now, and I too have responded hastily at times, such as Tuesday night. It is understandable.

I think we are all better served by keeping things courteous, no matter our position on the issues.

EZOB

DSG,
I respect you so believe me when I say I'm teeling the truth. I have already started action trying to do something at the state level. I have 2 kids and 6 grand kids. Here goes, Both Perkins graduates and home-owners in Perkins and one is a --- GET this--TEACHER!
My kids understand economics.
Not if--When they inherit my home, it won't be for sale so they don't care what value you put on it, the lower, the better. They don't need My inheritance to survive!

donutshopguy

EZOB,

Got 6 kids and 4 grandchildren. All the kids are college graduates. All have jobs and support themselves and/or their families. None of them expect to be taken care of when my wife and I pass. They want us to spend it and enjoy ourselves in the latter stage of our lives. So we do, we spend it on them. We can't enjoy the money with them when were dead so we are distributing it now and taking them on trips and other family adventures.

Guess I only think of myself....right.

donutshopguy

themomx6,

Most of you know I am not a big booster of some of the school administration. But, I'm not afraid to talk to anyone at the school for any reason. I was dishearten by these comments so I went and talked to Mr. Strohl.

I trust Mr. Strohl. We worked on the stadium renovation. After my conversation I am confident nothing took place that was unethical. Yes, students took veterans to their polling place if they needed assistance. That I commend the students for their civic duty.

If I believe any wrong doing took place I would be all over it. This is a non issue.

fifteenthgreen

I agree, DSG. There is a ton of information from the students pertaining to this matter but it is a mute point now. They lost. I don't agree with it and never will. It's a desperate practice that has been utilized in the past to no avail, as well. I think five even voted against it this time. They might want to rethink it for November.

My only question for you is did AD Mr. Strohl take the students to the Ohio Veterans Home and other area nursing homes for the most recent Presidential election or any recent election not involving Perkins Schools for that matter, for same said civic duty? If he or the student athletes are going to provide a civic duty, it should be a consistent service and not selective for that of their own benefit. What lesson are they being taught regarding community service and volunteering?

Also, if I found out a child was driving my elderly father to the polls without my knowledge or permission, I would have a problem with that!

Bherrle

15th,

I agree with your comments regarding civic duty and the consistency of having students help with other events, not just a Perkins election issue. I admit that I am forming this opinion in hindsight. I'm not being critical of those who decided to organize the help this time, but I am of the opinion that in the future, we should offer more widespread help and not just during an election that has a Perkins issue on the ballot.

You may have seen me clarify this part already, but just in case, students were not driving our Veterans anywhere. OVH is it's own Precinct, Perkins #5, and therefore has a poll location on the grounds at OVH. As far as other nursing homes, I am not sure if help occurred at any of them.

RMyer

Brad, Perkins students have been at OVH in the past for other events to provide entertainment or to interact with the residents. The middle school also has hosted veterans at an honor veterans day each year for the past several years. I'm sure I am missing some others but thought it relevant to point out that this isn't the first time that Perkins students have interacted with OVH residents.

Bherrle

Thanks RMyer. I was not aware of that.

fifteenthgreen

Correct, RMyer which is why many of the Vets thought the kids were there to sing to them. Most were confused and had no idea what the students were there for putting the kids in an awkward place. Most wanted to leave, i.e the Girls Basketball team. Has any group from Perkins ever been there to assists with non Perkins elections, RMyer? If not, the kids were solely placed there to get the vets to the polls and hopefully vote yes for this levy ballot! No one can tell me or make me think it was out of the kindness of the Perkins Athletic Boosters or that of the Board. Even the kids knew why they were there.

Hawkeye

It is good to see there are 5 new people running for school board hopefully they have some common sense.

WesTaylor

only four are new.

donutshopguy

15thG,

I know he did not take the students to OVH this time. I believe it was a coach. I can not answer your questions in regards to the other times.

fifteenthgreen

Thanks, DSG. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular. At first it really upset me, though. For the minimal gain on either side, I think everyone needs to show better judgement. As a community, we should be providing this service regardless of how these folks vote. Better informing them as to what they're actually voting on. I do like the fact that they are given the opportunity to exercise their right.

Cross

We still have no real information why the board ignored the failed levy votes and moved the 5.2M inside operations money to improvement, then tried to pass another levy and falsely advertise it was not for a new facility when it was replacing funds that are planned on being used for just such a purpose.

Cross

I'm hoping we can get some real discussions from the school board potential new members. Namely, which will support moving the majority of the 5.2 million operating funds back from improvements to being used for our actual kids and teachers.

sugar

BS, the only reason those kids were at OVH was to get votes, don't fall for it. I'll bet your question of "in other elections have they ever helped out before?" will be met with silence.

EZOB

Old proverb, "Never discuss politics in a Bar". Although I think it's mandatory that students are taught Government, I think local voting issues should not be discussed with students by anyone except their parents. Most probably can't name the the three branches of government or who would become President if both the President and Vice-President died.

WesTaylor

....and neither can most of the older and much wiser voters. Why should they need to know this to be able to vote on a local scale?

underthebridge

Has there ever been an effort from the school district to work with the Ohio legislature re: Derolph?

MP

Bridge- I think I understand your question. You're saying that as much as this seems like a local issue it's really a state issue. I'm with you there. However, do we really want our BOE and/or super taking on such a large issue that will take up huge time and resources while our state elected officials do nothing? I think they need to focus on running the district they were elected to run within the laws that are laid out before them. As frustrating as this is, I don't think it's their role to address.

You didn't even mention HB920. That's the other half of he equation.

underthebridge

Agreed. They need to spend their time on running the district, but it isn't uncommon for professions to advocate for or against legislation that directly impacts their careers and the students they serve.

fifteenthgreen

http://www.perkinsschools.org/Do...

Only fees missing on this form are a new laptop fee, building design loan repayment fee, stadium contribution fund fee, shouldn't have moved the millage fee, excessive wage/ODE under performance fee..................!

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