Standing their ground

Black Ohio lawmakers oppose stand-your-ground bill
Associated Press
Aug 4, 2013

A group of black lawmakers in Ohio has started circulating petitions to help keep a stand-your-ground proposal from being passed in the state.

The bill would allow people to use force to defend themselves without having a duty to retreat first.

The legislation goes beyond Ohio's current castle doctrine law, which gives people the right to defend themselves with force in their homes, vehicles or vehicles of immediate family members.

Debate over such measures has increased since the recent acquittal of George Zimmerman in the 2012 shooting death of unarmed black teen Trayvon Martin in Florida. Martin's family say Zimmerman, who identifies as Hispanic, racially profiled Martin as a potential criminal and wrongly followed him. Zimmerman says Martin attacked him.

At least 21 states have laws similar to the one in Florida, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. The laws generally eliminate a person's duty to retreat in the face of a serious physical threat.

Civil rights leaders, including the Rev. Al Sharpton, have said they would push for repeal of the laws. The Ohio Legislative Black Caucus wants to keep the idea from moving forward in the Republican-dominated General Assembly.

State Rep. Terry Johnson, a McDermott Republican, introduced the bill in June. It's had one House hearing. More than a dozen lawmakers back the proposal, which also would ease restrictions on carrying concealed weapons.

Johnson told an Ohio House committee in June that lawful gun owners shouldn't have to turn their backs on an assailant to try to flee if they are in a place where they have a right to be.

"If I was out with my family and we were attacked, I would want to be able to defend them and exercise my constitutional right to do so," Johnson said in written testimony. He noted that people would still need to prove in court that they were acting in self-defense.

Rep. Alicia Reece, president of the black caucus, said the group is trying to draw attention to the bill while state lawmakers are on summer break. They want constituents to tell the governor and legislative leaders that the measure isn't wanted.

"At a time like this, why would we be trying to bring something similar and the state of Ohio?" said Reece, a Cincinnati Democrat.

Johnson said he sees his bill as being a benefit to all, and he hopes he can find common ground with the black caucus on other parts of the bill.

Self-defense related bills failed in at least three states this year, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. And several proposals that would have amended circumstances for allowable use of force also didn't advance in state legislatures last year.

Reece said at least 1,000 people signed a petition opposing the bill during a Cincinnati rally after the Zimmerman verdict. She said Ohio already has sufficient self-defense laws.

"We are not against anyone being able to defend themselves," she added. "What we have concerns with is something that could be put in the law that could potentially have someone out looking for trouble, pursing a law-abiding citizen that at the end of the day becomes a tragedy."




That was 50-60 years ago, you bring them up as if they are relevant now. You are stuck in time, with the rest of the world passing you by. I thought you say that conservatives are wanting things to not change. You keep trying to go back with race and unions to that era where you would march in the streets or have sit ins to protest what is happening. Instead of dealing with the present. Things have changed.

Try to catch up with the times and live in the present instead of the past. Are you still looking for uboats in Lake Erie and Zero's flying overhead? How far back do you think it is?


Introducing Race into any argument is usually a dieing gasp of a failed argument.


(But the debate has everything backwards over who benefits from the law. Poor blacks who live in high crime urban areas are not only the most likely victims of crime, they are also the ones who benefit the most from Stand Your Ground laws.


We should not divide ourselves over laws that effect us all based apon racial differences. The question should be "As a Citizen of the state of Ohio will we benifit from this law" Personally i think every Citizen has the right to stand thier ground. If i wanted to live in a country full of sniveling cowards i would move to France.


The other day George Zimmerman saved four people from a rolled over SUV in Florida. This just in Zimmerman has saved more lives than Obamacare.

Darwin's choice



Re: "George Zimmerman"

He also got stopped for speeding in TX.


The Big Dog's back

Awwww c'mon goof. I heard it was 40 nuns on a school bus.


Burn his house down,would that make you happy?

The Big Dog's back

No. Next question.


It won't become an issue until Black citizens whose backgrounds aren't good start killing innocent white children. Then it'll get changed.


Re: "Black citizens whose backgrounds aren't good start killing innocent white children."

Good point. Drugs weren't an issue for the Political Ruling Class as long as they stayed in the black ghettos.

BUT, when white kids started using - PASS LAWS!!!


1) If you are confronted, shoot first and don't ask answer any questions later, leave that to your attorney.
2) If you make it a fair fight, your tactics suck. You needed a different plan.
3) Shoot till your opponet quits moving that a couple more times for good measure. Save a few rounds in case there's an accomplace.
4) There should only be one story in the end, YOURS!
5) Most likely you'll soon find that your Victim has a lenghty rap sheet and probably was released from prison not long ago.

The Big Dog's back

Most likely you'll find the victim had a family who might want revenge. So before you do anything stupid, do you really want to live the rest of your life looking over your shoulder?


Zimmer was found not guilty time to move on unless you love drinking the juice spewing from the likes of Sharpton and Jackson.


Why can't the title be "lawmakers in Ohio....."? Why does everything have to be race associated?

Next time some white guys want a law passed Id like the SR to make the title "White Ohio lawmakers......."

Truth or Dare

I better understand why my Great-grandparents put my Grandfather and Great-uncle on a boat in Italy headed for America in 1916. They saw the writing on the wall then.

Facism: (Noun) 1.) An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. In general use; 2.) Extreme right-wing authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.


Re: "Facism" (sp)

Fascism, communism, socialism, Leninism, Maoism, et al.; all of the collectivist "isms" have their origin in Marxism.

See: The Ten Planks of The Communist Manifesto.

The Big Dog's back

Same old lies you spew pooh.

Donegan See Above for a good example.


Look over My shoulder? Not really! Have a tombstone placed over my grave? Guess I'd have to choose to look over my shoulder.

Truth or Dare

Oops, sorry about the typo. Regarding The Ten Planks of Marxism, all the "isms" boil down to, is CapitalISM, resulting in Class Warfare. Which by the way, is as old as Man/Womankind.

Another great documentary to watch is "The Money Fix". Those with little to lose, lose little. Those with much to lose, don't really have as much as they think they do.


Remember dog...he "ain't a Christian."