Standing their ground

Black Ohio lawmakers oppose stand-your-ground bill
Associated Press
Aug 4, 2013

A group of black lawmakers in Ohio has started circulating petitions to help keep a stand-your-ground proposal from being passed in the state.

The bill would allow people to use force to defend themselves without having a duty to retreat first.

The legislation goes beyond Ohio's current castle doctrine law, which gives people the right to defend themselves with force in their homes, vehicles or vehicles of immediate family members.

Debate over such measures has increased since the recent acquittal of George Zimmerman in the 2012 shooting death of unarmed black teen Trayvon Martin in Florida. Martin's family say Zimmerman, who identifies as Hispanic, racially profiled Martin as a potential criminal and wrongly followed him. Zimmerman says Martin attacked him.

At least 21 states have laws similar to the one in Florida, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. The laws generally eliminate a person's duty to retreat in the face of a serious physical threat.

Civil rights leaders, including the Rev. Al Sharpton, have said they would push for repeal of the laws. The Ohio Legislative Black Caucus wants to keep the idea from moving forward in the Republican-dominated General Assembly.

State Rep. Terry Johnson, a McDermott Republican, introduced the bill in June. It's had one House hearing. More than a dozen lawmakers back the proposal, which also would ease restrictions on carrying concealed weapons.

Johnson told an Ohio House committee in June that lawful gun owners shouldn't have to turn their backs on an assailant to try to flee if they are in a place where they have a right to be.

"If I was out with my family and we were attacked, I would want to be able to defend them and exercise my constitutional right to do so," Johnson said in written testimony. He noted that people would still need to prove in court that they were acting in self-defense.

Rep. Alicia Reece, president of the black caucus, said the group is trying to draw attention to the bill while state lawmakers are on summer break. They want constituents to tell the governor and legislative leaders that the measure isn't wanted.

"At a time like this, why would we be trying to bring something similar and the state of Ohio?" said Reece, a Cincinnati Democrat.

Johnson said he sees his bill as being a benefit to all, and he hopes he can find common ground with the black caucus on other parts of the bill.

Self-defense related bills failed in at least three states this year, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. And several proposals that would have amended circumstances for allowable use of force also didn't advance in state legislatures last year.

Reece said at least 1,000 people signed a petition opposing the bill during a Cincinnati rally after the Zimmerman verdict. She said Ohio already has sufficient self-defense laws.

"We are not against anyone being able to defend themselves," she added. "What we have concerns with is something that could be put in the law that could potentially have someone out looking for trouble, pursing a law-abiding citizen that at the end of the day becomes a tragedy."




Not likely.


If you're suggesting that a gun would be turned on me because I represent a threat, I'll take that chance given that I'm not much into assault or burglary.

And if you're suggesting that my OWN gun would be turned on me, well, that'll be mighty tough to do if I pull the trigger before the bad guy gets close enough to take it. (For the record, those people who have a gun to defend themselves which is then taken and used against them are the same people who have a gun but DON'T have the actual will to use it.)


Try to force your way up to a member of the OH Black Caucus or someone like US AG Eric Holder to merely ask a question and see if they or their bodyguards don't practice SYG.

Love the (bleeping) hypocrisy!

The socialist central planners hate the Bill of Rights except those Amendments that will help further their totalitarian agenda.

The Big Dog's back

Actually winnie, young people don't want to hear your racist agenda, they're more concerned about jobs that will support them and their families.


The OH Black Caucus and other poverty pimps like Sharpton made SYG a racial issue.

Wanna bet that gangbangers don't practice SYG?


You can't "force" your way anywhere without negative repercussions. What would you do if someone "forced" their way into your home? Poverty pimp? SMDH!!!!!!


Re: "Poverty pimp?"

Yep! Sharpton, Jackson and others have gotten wealthy playing the race and poverty card and the terminally clueless like yourself think that they're out to help you. LMAO!!!


How wealthy are they pooh? Enlighten us!

Sitting In The ...

MSNBC paid him $750,000 a year to host "Politics Nation" and that's just the tip of iceberg. He's easily making millions of dollars each year when you add his foundation, appearances etc.


How does that make him a poverty pimp? Are you all upset because he has a job? Foundation appearances? Talk about clueless!


Re: "How wealthy are they,"

What? You don't think that they are wealthy? You remain: Terminally clueless.


I repeat, HOW WEALTHY ARE THEY? DO TELL! Anyone????


Re: "I repeat, HOW WEALTHY ARE THEY? DO TELL! Anyone????"

What, Obama-holes are also ignorant when it comes to the use of search engines??? :)


Your claim pooh, back it up!


A public service for the search engine ignorant:

Poverty pimps - gettin' wealthy off of promoting racial and social hatred.

The Big Dog's back

Al Sharpton hosts a program, a job. What does rushbo make for hosting a klan rally, I mean a program?


How much is Al Sharpton worth?
$5 Million
Al Sharpton has earned his net worth as a regular guest appearances on 'Fox News' such as The O'Reilly Factor.

Yes deerwacker and poochy, FOX NEWS - FOX NEWS - FOX NEWS. Your beloved reverend get his cash flow from FOX NEWS.

Leave it to Sharpton to make it all about race. Dumba$$es.


Re: "You can't "force" your way anywhere without negative repercussions."

Point terminally clueless: Do AG Holder's bodyguards have a "duty to retreat first" like they want ordinary citizens to do?


What is the job of a bodyguard? Grow a brain please!


Re: "What is the job of a bodyguard?"

So the political elite get taxpayer provided bodyguards and everyone else should retreat if advanced on?

Double standard clueless.


Pooh, step away from the Kessler's!!!!!!!!


smooth as silk


contango just straight up owned and biyach slapped funny.


Contango- You are making yourself look stupid- you shouldn't comment anymore - ever.


OK My relative makes more in subsidies than I do working. That is wrong. Plus he drives a new car & truck every 3-5years. That too is welfare. (It is no longer farming - it is Agri-buSINess)



Believe it or not, I agree. The scams promoted by government to promote a welfare state hits all levels of society.

No one need to be responsible for their life. The government will provide.

When those of us who provide through taxes to support these dependency programs decide enough is enough and stop working what will happen?

You can't generate enough tax dollars when people won't work. The time is coming.


Re: "You can't generate enough tax dollars"

Detroit is a PRIME example. Too many public perqs, too few tax dollars.


I guess all the people that patronize your business are wealthy do gooders, right? I pay taxes too and I have no control how those tax dollars are spent. If every single social program were eliminated, what would your tax rate go down to? You can't generate tax dollars when there are no jobs to work or the jobs that are available don't pay a livable wage. How much does a job at your place pay? Benefits?


Re: "How much does a job at your place pay? Benefits?"

Go for it clueless: Start a business and pay high wages and provide great benefits.



Most of my customers are small business people trying to survive in today's business environment.

Don't you want to decide where your tax dollars are spent?

I don't want social programs eliminated for those who need it. It just upsets me when those programs are abused and I have no recourse in how my tax dollars are distributed.

Please explain a "living wage". What is your interpretation?

The pay scale depends on experience and education. A person who packs a box is paid less than a machine operator. People with additional talents will be paid more than those who have an entry level job.

Benefits are provided with both employee and company participation.

You looking for a job?