'Who am I to judge?' pope says of gay priests

New pontiff's stance is a reversal of his predecessor's
Associated Press
Jul 30, 2013

 

A remarkably candid Pope Francis struck a conciliatory stance toward gays Monday, saying "who am I to judge" when it comes to the sexual orientation of priests.

"We shouldn't marginalize people for this. They must be integrated into society," Francis said during an extraordinary 82-minute exchange with reporters aboard his plane returning from his first papal trip, to celebrate World Youth Day in Brazil.

"If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" the pope asked.

Francis' first news conference as pope was wide-ranging and open, touching on everything from the greater role he believes women should have in the Catholic Church to the troubled Vatican Bank.

While his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, responded to only a few pre-selected questions during his papal trips, Francis did not dodge a single query, even thanking the journalist who asked about reports of a "gay lobby" inside the Vatican and allegations that one of his trusted monsignors was involved in a gay tryst.

Francis said he investigated the allegations against the clergyman according to canon law and found nothing to back them up. He took journalists to task for reporting on the matter, saying it concerned issues of sin, not crimes like sexually abusing children. And when someone sins and confesses, he said, God not only forgives — he forgets.

"We don't have the right to not forget," he said.

While the comments did not signal a change in Catholic teaching that homosexual acts are "intrinsically disordered," they indicated a shift in tone under Francis' young papacy and an emphasis on a church that is more inclusive and merciful rather than critical and disciplinary.

Francis' stance contrasted markedly with that of Benedict, who signed a document in 2005 that said men who had deep-rooted homosexual tendencies should not be priests.

Gay leaders were buoyed by Francis' approach, saying the change in tone was progress in itself, although for some the encouragement was tempered by Francis' talk of gay clergy's "sins."

"Basically, I'm overjoyed at the news," said Francis DeBernardo, executive director of the U.S.-based New Ways Ministry, a group that promotes justice and reconciliation for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people and the wider church community.

"For decades now, we've had nothing but negative comments about gay and lesbian people coming from the Vatican," DeBernardo said in a telephone interview from Maryland.

The largest U.S. gay rights group, Human Rights Campaign, said in a statement that the pope's remarks "represent a significant change in tone."

Still, said Chad Griffin, the HRC president, as long as gays "are told in churches big and small that their lives and their families are disordered and sinful because of how they were born — how God made them — then the church is sending a deeply harmful message."

In Italy, the country's first openly gay governor, Nichi Vendola, urged fellow politicians to learn a lesson from the pope.

"I believe that if politics had one-millionth of the capacity to ... listen that the pope does, it would be better able to help people who suffer," he said.

Vendola praised the pope for drawing a clear line between homosexuality and pedophilia. "We know that a part of reactionary clerical thought plays on the confusion between these two completely different categories," he said.

Francis also said he wanted a greater role for women in the church, though he insisted "the door is closed" to ordaining them as priests. In one of his most important speeches in Rio, Francis described the church in feminine terms, saying it would be "sterile" without women.

Funny and candid, Francis' exchange with the media was exceptional. While Pope John Paul II used to have on-board talks with journalists, he would move about the cabin, chatting with individual reporters so it was hit-or-miss to hear what he said. After Benedict's maiden foreign voyage, the Vatican insisted that reporters submit questions in advance so the theologian pope could choose three or four he wanted to answer with prepared comments.

Francis did not shy away from controversial topics, including reports suggesting that a group of gay clergymen exert undue influence on Vatican policy. Italian news media reported this year that the allegations of a so-called "gay lobby" contributed to Benedict's decision to resign.

"A lot is written about this gay lobby. I still haven't found anyone at the Vatican who has 'gay' on his business card," Francis said, chuckling. "You have to distinguish between the fact that someone is gay and the fact of being in a lobby."

The term "gay lobby" is bandied about with abandon in the Italian media and is decidedly vague. Interpretations of what it means have ranged from a group of celibate gay priests who are friends, to suggestions that a group of sexually active gay priests use blackmail to exert influence on Vatican decision-making.

Stressing that Catholic teaching calls for homosexuals to be treated with dignity and not marginalized, Francis said he would not condone anyone using private information for blackmail or to exert pressure.

The Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit author and commentator, saw the pope's remarks as a sign of mercy. "TodayPope Francis has, once again, lived out the Gospel message of compassion for everyone," he said in an emailed statement.

Speaking in Italian with occasional lapses in his native Spanish, Francis dropped a few nuggets of news:

— He said he is thinking about traveling to the Holy Land next year and is considering invitations from Sri Lanka and the Philippines.

— The planned Dec. 8 canonizations of Popes John Paul II and John XXIII will likely be changed — perhaps until the weekend after Easter — because road conditions in December would be dangerously icy for people from John Paul's native Poland traveling to the ceremony by bus.

Francis also he solved the mystery that had been circulating since he was pictured boarding the plane to Rio carrying his own black bag, an unusual break with Vatican protocol.

"The keys to the atomic bomb weren't in it," Francis quipped, referring to the case that accompanies U.S. presidents with nuclear launch codes. The bag, he said, contained a razor, a prayer book, his agenda and a book on St. Therese of Lisieux, to whom he is particularly devoted.

"It's normal" to carry a bag when traveling, he said, displaying a simplicity of style that separates him from previous pontiffs, who until a few decades ago were carried around on platforms.

"We have to get used to this being normal."

 

 

Comments

freethinker1

Science has proven that sexuality isn't chosen, it's hardwired. That's why the Gay Conversion Therapy doesn't work, and why Exodus, the well-known gay conversion therapy leaders, recently closed office and said "we were wrong".

That's reason enough to not label gayness as a sin, but to do so simply because it's in the Old Testament doesn't wash. We no longer support slavery, or killing your neighbor if he works on Sunday, or killing someone because they have a tattoo (these were in the Old Testament). We could - and should - do the same thing with the Bible verses that call homosexuality a sin: label it as a statement made by people (nearly 2000 years ago) who didn't know any better, and then ignore it.

4shizzle

"Science has proven that sexuality isn't chosen, it's hardwired."
...............Not true. Not according to my college psychology text book.

JudgeMeNot

Just because you are gay doesn't make you a victim and doesn't give you the right to p!ss on what the majority gives a sh$t about.

thinkagain

I thank God I’m a Christian and not a Catholic. I’ll follow the unchanging words of my Savior, not the ever changing view of a man made religion.

If you believe you haven’t sinned until a physical act has been committed, then you disregard the words of Jesus in the sermon on the mount.

Sitting In The ...

As with most Christians you seem to ignore the fact your religion was created not by your "Savior" but by Jewish people who lived in Israel.

thinkagain

Christianity is not a religion, it is a relationship with Jesus Christ.

freethinker1

Calling a duck something else doesn't change the fact that it's still a duck.

kal-el

Your "church" didn't exist until 1517, quite a few years after Jesus' passing and the establishment of the Catholic Church.

Not saying the Catholic Church is perfect, but it's pretty arrogant to attack the founders of the Christian church and claim heightened knowledge.

The statements by Pope Francis are inspiring, to say the least. Not even in the context of homosexuality, but in the context of getting back to Jesus' teaching about, among other things, not casting stones.

thinkagain

“Your "church" didn't exist until 1517”

Your erroneous assumption, attempting to categorize myself into a particular religious denomination, confirms you haven’t a personal relationship with the living God.

The institutional church, no matter the denomination, contains many like yourself.

Bluto

Wasn't the last supper a sausage party ? ; ))))))

thinkagain

Don’t make me open up my can of spinach… ;)

thinkagain

dup

Bluto

Why is the Pope handling that dudes sack and balls ? : ))))))))

The Big Dog's back

neverthinks, are you saying there was no God until Jesus?

thinkagain

Reading comprehension not a liberal strong suit?

The Big Dog's back

My reading comprehension is very good. Was there religion before Jesus.

Contango

“Those of us born and raised Catholic,”

- brutus smith aka The Big Dog's back, Nov. 25, 2010

Still RC?

freethinker1

Every religious group thinks that THEIRS is the one, true/correct religion. Christianity was most assuredly a manmade religion, and if you've lived longer than 5 years, you should already be aware that Christianity is most assuredly an ever-changing religion. Look in any town or city, and you'll find a new evangelical church.

Like the evolution of species, churches and religions evolve before our very eyes. Pretending it's not happening doesn't change the fact that it is happening.

I must address your other comment about the "unchanging words" of your savior. I recently read a book that documented 40+ complete pages of Bible contradictions, hundreds of verses from different books of the Bible which say exactly the opposite. Either he did a really poor job of editing his own writing (which we wouldn't expect of a perfect deity),
or we must admit that the Bible is manmade, written without supernatural help.

kal-el

Great post.

dorothy gale

Your "savior" never mentioned homosexuality. He did, however, talk a lot about love.

Contango

Re: "Your 'savior' never mentioned homosexuality."

According to the Gospels, He did hang out with 12 guys and didn't appear to have a girl friend. Gotta wonder.

So why do nuns wear a wedding ring? They are "spiritually" married to Jesus.

Informed

Catholics are Christians. And where in the Sermon on the Mount did Jesus say anything about homosexuality?

thinkagain

A Christian can be a Catholic, not all Catholics are Christians.

Your question is based on your incorrect comprehension and out of context interpretation of my sentence concerning the sermon on the mount. I was responding to previous comments from those that stated that a sin is not committed until a physical act occurs. Try reading it again in context and hopefully that will help.

Matthew 5:21-22 & 27-28

Justme...

A Christian is someone who accepts Jesus Christ as the the son of God, and their savior. If not all Catholics are Christians, I'd say not all Christians are Christians.

Contango

Re: "son of God,"

The ancient Greek religion was much more colorful.

The Greek gods were frequently having sex with mortals and produced sons AND daughters.

Pitiful that Christians only have one.

thinkagain

“…I'd say not all Christians are Christians.”

My point exactly, however, I would have worded it as “not all that call themselves Christian are Christians.

anthras

The prophets did in the OT. In Matthew 5:17-19 Jesus said to his deciples that he has come not to abolish the law or the prophets but to to fulfill

TrollingRageind...

"I thank God I'm a Christian." "...not the ever changing view of a man made religion"
Stop contradicting yourself like that.

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The Hero Zone

The Onion had another good piece:

VATICAN CITY—Following Pope Francis’ tolerant remarks Sunday about homosexuals and the Catholic Church, Vatican officials reportedly went into crisis mode, announcing that the Pope’s thoughtful message of understanding was clearly taken out of context. “It is not the official stance of the Pope or the Catholic Church that all people of good will who seek the Lord, especially gay people, should be accepted by Christ,” a visibly nervous Vatican spokesman told reporters, adding that the Holy Father was clearly tired after his long trip to Brazil and never meant for his comments to sound caring or realistic. “Homosexuality is a disorder. And this in no way means that, going forward, the Catholic Church will be an open-minded, more sensible organization. I assure you we are just as prejudiced and backward today as we were yesterday. Thank you.” According to an anonymous source close to the Vatican, the Pope is currently being yelled at by Church officials, who are telling him, “You don’t just go off script like that. Who the [f] do you think you are?”

Verum in satura

arnmcrmn

Honest question. If a priest is celibate......how does he really know he is gay?

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