Michelle Obama highlights kids, gun violence

First lady joins legislative debate over access to guns
Associated Press
Jul 26, 2013

 

A second term as first lady finds Michelle Obama using her spotlight to draw attention to another issue involving the welfare of children: young people and gun violence.

A meeting with high school students from a rough neighborhood in her hometown of Chicago led Mrs. Obama to start putting a new spin on the stalled legislative debate over access to guns.

A mother to a teen and a tween, Mrs. Obama says the country is obligated to help kids like these grow up and become adults. Several current and former students at Chicago's Harper High School were killed by gunfire within the past year.

The first lady on Tuesday faced immigration — another new issue for her — when she delivered the keynote speech in New Orleans at the annual conference of the National Council of La Raza. Immigration is one of President Barack Obama's top second-term priorities, as it is for the Latino advocacy group.

Mrs. Obama urged the group's members to stay encouraged and continue to press the House to follow the lead of the Senate and pass an immigration bill.

"Do not give up because I promise you my husband won't give up until a good bill gets on his desk," she said.

Aides say the first lady isn't making gun violence a new and distinct issue, but is folding it into the work she's been doing to encourage youth to focus on getting an education.

By reaching beyond the pair of relatively safe issues she has been pushing — reducing childhood obesity, which she discussed at length at the La Raza conference, and rallying public support for military families — the Harvard-trained lawyer who some say has played it safe is showing a willingness to step outside of her comfort zone.

She'll need to tread carefully, though. The American public tends to prefer that its first ladies leave the heavier policy lifting to the president.

Rosalynn Carter was criticized for attending Cabinet meetings and Hillary Rodham Clinton was pilloried for running a health care task force in secret. Mrs. Obama is viewed favorably by about two-thirds of the public, higher than her husband, who had a favorability rating of about 53 percent, according to recent polls.

Mrs. Obama fell out of public favor during the 2008 presidential campaign over comments deemed unpatriotic. But once in the White House, she declared herself "mom in chief" to her two kids, planted a vegetable garden, pushed the childhood obesity and military family issues and resurrected her public standing.

At three fundraisers one day in May, in Boston and New York, Mrs. Obama described meeting some of Harper High's "best and brightest" students, including the valedictorian, a star athlete and ROTC participants.

But instead of "reveling in the joys of their youth," like college applications, the prom or learning to drive, she told Democratic donors that "these young people were consumed with staying alive."

"There are so many kids in this country just like them, kids with so much promise, but so few opportunities, good kids who are doing everything they can to break the cycle and beat the odds," Mrs. Obama said. "We need to be better for them. We need to be better for all of our children in this country because they are counting on us to give them the chances they need for the futures they all deserve."

The students worry daily about being killed or about someone else being killed, she said.

"One kid told me he felt like he lived in a cage, because he feels like his community is unseen, unheard, and nobody cares about it. What's our obligation to these kids? We do have one," she told CBS "Sunday Morning."

The meeting with Harper High's students followed the first lady's speech at a youth violence conference in Chicago this year. Mrs. Obama compared herself to Hadiya Pendleton, a 15-year-old honor student whose death became national news in part because she was shot a mile from the Obamas' home a few days after she returned from performing at the president's inauguration.

It is unclear whether Mrs. Obama will continue to speak about gun violence or immigration. The speech to La Raza is likely her final public event before she takes her traditional month off in August.

She recently said first ladies, more than presidents, "get to work on what we're passionate about."

"You have an opportunity to speak to your passions and to really design and be very strategic about the issues you care most about," Mrs. Obama said at a recent forum in Tanzania with African first ladies. "And I just found it just a very freeing and liberating opportunity."

 

 

Comments

The Big Dog's back

The best 1st Lady we've had in some time.

buckeye15

Let the hating begin!

deertracker

Both of you are spot on!

There you go again

That's a "phoney" comment. ( Have you heard that word used by our president?)

abigbear

at least she is finally proud of her country for the first time in her life
wonder if she has been to all 57 states with a couple more to go with her MF Marxist Muslim blah blah blah

coasterfan

What an odd comment, Bear. What in the world gave you the idea that she isn't proud of her country? I read the news every day, and have never heard that one.

Contango

Re: "What in the world gave you the idea that she isn't proud of her country?"

"Michelle Obama: 'For the First Time in My Adult Lifetime, I’m Really Proud of My Country'”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/poli...

arnmcrmn

and coasterfan just tucked tail and ran.

sugar

This woman is as arrogant as her husband, rarely does she adhere to her own dictates, a phoney through and through.

8ballinthesidepocket

Why don't you go back to Chicago and start there. After all Michelle, they've only killed (gun shots alone) 500 people there, despite the toughest gun laws in the nation. You and your hubby have to learn that words only go so far, actions are needed not some more philosophical speechs with the aid of teleprompter. I hope this doesn't get in the way of your vacations. You should have done this instead of going to the Beyonce concert that only cost the taxpayers a half million dollars. I don't know what planet the Big Dog went to, but the trip back made is brain shrink if he thinks M.O. is one of the best first ladies we've ever had. I agree, she is the best we have had a spending money on frivolous things.

deertracker

You watch way too much faux news!

sugar

What a shame "faux news" is the only news organization that reports what is going on in this country. All the MSM is talking about is obamas same stupid speech he has been making for 5 years now, or that Zimmerman got away with murder. YAWN

The Big Dog's back

Maybe the koch brothers will spend some of their billions helping out Chicago instead of funneling it to faux news and other stations of hate.

sugar

Apparently Big Dog hasn't seen the video of the Detroit City Council woman who states that they helped him (obama) get elected and he should pony up some money for Detroit. The masses do not get to tell people who earn money how to spend it. Actually the Koch Bros are quite generous. David Koch funds some programming on PBS. Where's your donation?

Contango

Re: "seen the video of the Detroit City Council woman,"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o...

"We’re gonna punish our enemies and we’re gonna reward our friends."

- Barack Obama, Oct. 25, 2010

Typical: He mistakes talk for action. :)

sugar

Why thank you for informing the ill informed!

Contango

Re: "Koch Bros"

The Koch Bros are trying to bring new economic growth to Detroit and the Democrats are fighting them.

http://www.businessinsider.com/k...

sugar

Hat tip again.....

The Big Dog's back

My donation is to TRY to educate right wingnuts.

arnmcrmn

and Dog you fail just like you most likely failed in school.

Contango

Re: "Why don't you go back to Chicago and start there."

IL has the WORST credit rating of any U.S. state.

IL has had a Democrat controlled legislature for 30 yrs. or more.

The state is BROKE and the city of Chicago is BROKE!

Rumor: After Detroit, Chicago will be among the next major cities to file for bankruptcy - both Democratic Party controlled for DECADES!

http://www.businessweek.com/news...

The Big Dog's back

bullspit.

Bottom Line

Typical idiotic response from you when someone presents FACTS that you choose not to want to accept... but then again that's the liberal way. Sidestep all the facts that prove you wrong.

The Big Dog's back

How do you know they are facts?

Darwin's choice

You know, no matter how much you lick your hind end, you still can't get the Obama taste off it.
How about you show us that they aren't fact, Instead of your usual pithy reply's?

The Big Dog's back

I already said bullspit.

Darwin's choice

And, there it is!! The Big Dog Dodge! Hahahahahhahahahahahaha!!!!!

sugar

Well the ill informed are the base of the Dem party.

Bottom Line

It's an absolute FACT about the democratic legislature. That takes about 60 seconds of research to find. It's also an absolute FACT that almost every single major American city following the path of Detroit has been under primarily liberal leadership for decades. That also doesn't take much effort to find. Your response is simply triggered by not wanting to see things for what they are. Which again is typical. I'm sure by your next post you or your equally idiotic friend deertracker will find a way to make it about race... like you do everything else. Because you're spineless and that's a great escape route.

Fromthe419

bullspit

coasterfan

Funny how you mentioned Detroit, but didn't mention the obvious: it went bankrupt while under a Republican governor. Seriously, dude, the ability to fix anything related to the economy is the one thing that the GOP has shown it absolutely cannot do. For the past 30 years, every single time a Republican has been in the White House, the economy has gotten worse. Why not quit while you're behind?

Fromthe419

Detroit had a population of over 1.5 million in 1955 and 300 thousand union jobs, today the population is 700k and they are offering goods and services as though the population is the same. You can not promise everything to everyone, when the population decreases you must adjust accordingly. The 300 thousand jobs are now 27k, those left can not support the many that were living there in 1955, kinda like what we have now in the US. We have almost 100T in unfunded liabilities, how are we going to pay it off, dump it into the lap of our children and grand children?

Contango

Re: "Funny how you mentioned Detroit, but didn't mention the obvious: it went bankrupt while under a Republican governor."

BUT, it went bankrupt under a Democrat mayor and a Democrat controlled city council.

Name a Repub Detroit Mayor in the last 40 yrs.

The Big Dogs Back

Bullspit

The Big Dog's back

Kinda of a shame winnie you have to resort to using other peoples screen name.

Contango

Who in the h*ll wrote this article?

Immigration, obesity, gun violence, fund raisers, et al; the d*mn thing is all over the map and is a compositional mess.

deertracker

Why don't you apply for a job there and rain all of your infinite writing knowledge on them. Make it rain pooh!

The Big Dogs Back

Bullspit

The Big Dog's back

Kinda of a shame winnie you have to resort to using other peoples screen name.

sugar

Follows the Queens thought pattern as far as I can see.

Contango

“...we discussed the fact that Ho Chi Minh was actually inspired by the U.S. Declaration of Independence and Constitution, and the words of Thomas Jefferson.”

- Pres. Obama, July 26, 2013

@ Michelle: Your husband spits on the sacrifice of those who fought and p*sses on those who died in Vietnam.

http://trailblazersblog.dallasne...

The Big Dog's back

Another f right wingnut.

The Big Dogs Back

Bullspit

The Big Dog's back

Kinda of a shame winnie you have to resort to using other peoples screen name.

coasterfan

Contango: please remind yourself that words have meanings. Your final comment was not only incorrect, but inflammatory. Obama is on record countless times stating the exact opposite. So, congrats, you've earned my Troll Of The Day award.

The thing about Fox News is: if it HIGHLY divisive, FAR more than the so-called Mainstream Media that conservatives decry. If you listen to no other viewpoint, Fox is very persuasive, especially given our human nature towards confirmation bias (the tendency to only listen to things that confirm what we already believe). Same thing with MSNBC on the left. But then you listen to network news or CNN, who are in the middle, and you hear the other half of the story that Fox and MSNBC conveniently left out.

Contango

Re: "Your final comment was not only incorrect, but inflammatory."

Find me web links to Vietnam vets who support Pres. Obama's "inflammatory" comments.

coasterfan

Perhaps you should first regale us with Obama's supposed inflammatory comments. Seriously, I spend as much time reading the news as anyone, and I don't recall anything he has said on the subject that could be taken as inflammatory.

Here's a hint for you: if you hear about it someplace other than Fox News, then you can be assured that it might have actually happened. If he truly said something offensive, it absolutely would have been given great coverage across the media spectrum.

Contango

Re: "Perhaps you should first regale us with Obama's supposed inflammatory comments."

Open the link previously provided:

http://trailblazersblog.dallasne...

BTW: How the Progressives and Obama are afraid of ONE SINGLE cable channel like Fox is laughable.

Also, HCM was MORE influenced by Marx - not unlike the Progressives.

coasterfan

We Progressives aren't afraid of Fox. We laugh at it, because it's so ridiculously biased, yet professes not to be. At least MSNBC has the good graces to own up to its own one-sidedness...

Contango

Re: "We Progressives aren't afraid of Fox."

The almost constant need to point to it as a source of contention speaks otherwise.

Also, how many interviews did candidate & Pres. Obama grant to FNC?

sugar

You progs don't have the good sense to be afraid.

arnmcrmn

and MSNBC is at the bottom of the hole in ratings.....but keep watching it. lol

The New World Czar

Please, CNN/CBS/NBC/CBS in the middle? LMAO

coasterfan

Well, yes they are. We in the middle understand that, as Fox is to the extreme Right, MSNBC is the the left. Both networks contain an inordinate amount of opinion-driven shoutfest types of shows, masquerading as news, with little, if any, counterpoint discussion.

The words "liberal" or "right-wingnut" are used constantly on Fox and MSNBC in derogatory fashion, and both have an obvious ideological slant.
There is no obvious political slant with CNN, as they print an equal amount of pro-lib and pro-con articles. Same with the network news outlets, who basically gave Bush a free pass during his disastrous 2-term presidency, just as you say they now do with Obama. There are no Rachel Maddows, Keith Olbermanns, Bill O'Reillys on CNN or the networks.

I mean, seriously. There is an article on today's foxnews.com entitled "Even the Liberal Media Isn't Falling For Obama's Tired Economic Message". Aside from ignoring the obvious fact that the economy IS getting slowly better under Obama, does anyone think THAT headline is "fair and balanced"? AT the end of the day, if you think that the mainstream media is liberal-leaning, it's a clue that your ideals have moved sooooooo far to the right that you've left your own Republican party behind, and are now on the extreme Right fringe of society. Congrats, you're now a teaparty member, and have left the land of logic.

Contango

Re: "Aside from ignoring the obvious fact that the economy IS getting slowly better under Obama,"

As previously stated:

Normal business cycle and Federal Reserve policies have been the primary motivators.

Conversely, ObamaCare is having a negative effect on employment:

"Part-time worker still outpacing full-time jobs"

http://www.chron.com/jobs/articl...

coasterfan

Yes, yes, Contango. We all know the conservative spin on it. And we all know how much much much better things are now than they were under Bush in 2008. Do you really expect people to forget that we had a net job loss of 3/4 million jobs a MONTH in 2008, and forget the recession of 2007-2008? Sorry, but you're a Republican, and we're not going to listen to you lecture us on the economy, since that's something you guys really stink at.

Care to chat about how Obamacare is working (even better than expected) in New York and California - two states who aren't fighting its implementation? As Paul Krugman, the Nobel-prize winning economist said, "it's working exactly as it was designed to do - in states that aren't fighting to keep it from working".

See, that's the other half of the story that Fox always leaves out. You're paying full price for your cable/satellite TV each month. Why use that investment to only get half of the news?

You seem different than the other conservatives who post here. You speak intelligently, and understand basic grammar and punctuation usage. I urge you to leave the Fox bubble (in which facts don't get in) to come over to the land of enlightenment. It's a place where science, verifiable statistics and actual data hold sway over opinion. You're too smart to stick with the Bachmann, Palin types, aren't you?

Contango

Re: "I urge you to...come over to the land of enlightenment."

If Progressivism (Fabian socialism) is "enlightenment," then obviously for you sh*t smells like roses.

Contango

Re: "Paul Krugman, the Nobel-prize winning economist,"

"Paul Krugman Did Not Win a Nobel Prize in Economics":

http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...

Prefer Friedman & Hayek to Krugman ANY DAY.

sugar

This bozo has had 4 years to rectify the problems. I distinctly recall him saying that the unemployment rate would be below 7%, that he would cut the deficit in half, we would be out of ME wars, Gitmo would be closed. All lies. He has achieved his agenda though, destroying the economy and causing a ever widening divide in the country.

The Big Dogs Back

Bullspit

The Big Dog's back

Kinda of a shame winnie you have to resort to using other peoples screen name.

goofus

Was wondering, can she do this job from her seat on air force one.

Darwin's choice

Maybe, it's a huge seat......!

buckeye15

You are one classy guy.

The Big Dog's back

Sure she can goof!

The Big Dogs Back

Bullspit

The Big Dog's back

Kinda of a shame winnie you have to resort to using other peoples screen name.

The Big Dog's back

Kinda of a shame winnie you have to resort to using other peoples screen name.

Darwin's choice

http://americatimes.files.wordpr...

This was just before her rockstar time, you know, when she didn't like being an American.....

Darwin's choice

Then, on her way to the stage....

http://americatimes.files.wordpr...

Darwin's choice

And who could forget her at the Anniversary of the Normandy Invasion with the French First Lady......

http://americatimes.files.wordpr...

coasterfan

Darwin, not sure what your last 3 posts are trying to say, but you are embarrassing your parents.

Darwin's choice

Ah, Coasterfan...was wondering when you'd come up out of your hole. Your constant blathering on here about all thing Obama and Democrat is sickening. You constantly throw anyone who disagrees with you and your single sided opinion under the bus. I don't agree with the comments that she is the best first lady, in any time. And offer reasons why. If you don't agree, or don't like my post's, don't read them. When you interject your blindly democratic opinions here, expect my scathing reply's! Obama=failure

coasterfan

Hmm...am wondering what color the sky is in the world you live in, Darwin. I'm not sure my opinion is any more single-sided than yours. I'm just on the opposite side of the aisle, politically, and I'm no more impressed about your constant blathering on about all things anti-Obama.
I would suggest you take your own advice: if you don't like my posts, don't read them.

Why not devote your time to something constructive, such as learning how and when to use an apostrophe (you don't need to use them to pluralize a word such as 'posts' and 'replys'), and how to avoid sentence fragments ("And offer reasons why"), and when or when not to use an 's' to pluralize a word ("all thing Obama" should have been "all things Obama").
Why is it that 90% of the semi-illiterate people who post here are conservatives?

sugar

Hahahaha, the last vestige of a liberals attempt to "win" an argument! Grammar, typos and spelling. LMAO Must be a grade school teacher....

Darwin's choice

No, Sugar, just an azzhat trying to be something he's not! Nothing he ever conjures up has anything to do with the headline story, but he'll ragale us with fanciful tales of Obama lust.

Darwin's choice

The Big Dog's back
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 3:27pm
The best 1st Lady we've had in some time.

replyInappropriate? Alert Us. Dispute Comment Moderation.

Really?

The Big Dog's back

Yes, really!

coasterfan

Regardless of whether one likes Mrs. Obama or not, she is certainly a step up from the completely vacuous Laura Bush. That clueless look you see on Mrs. Bush's face in every photograph? That's not an act.

Darwin's choice

See posted photo's of Mrs. Obama......those angry faces are not an act either.....!

Obama=fail

grandmasgirl

Guys, guys, guys, no matter how many times the paper prints something like this about Obama and Michelle, Big Dog and Deertracker will never get it. Give it up. You can only try and teach. Some will never learn. There are thousands in this country that still stick up for Obama because of the fact that he is black and the heck with his record. If you think Michelle is the best first lady we have had in some time, your idea and mine of what a lady is, is different. AND, yes, I don't like her. You see, I read her college thesis before he became President. And if you want to talk race, read it.

deertracker

Trying to educate any of you right wing dingbats is a major exercise in FUTILITY!

sugar

READ!!! C'mon GG they can't read cursive....bwaahahahaha

bondgirlM

she spoke about gun control in a city that has the most black on black murders and it also has one of the toughest anti gun laws. hmmmmmm BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD!

deertracker

Where was she suppose to speak? Regardless of what either of them do some of you still complain!

grandmasgirl

Kind of what some of you did when Bush was in office. Remember those days and the comments you made?

bondgirlM

she spoke about gun control in a city that has the most black on black murders and it also has one of the toughest anti gun laws. hmmmmmm BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD!

The Big Dog's back

Wasn't Chicago known as a crime town before the Obama's? Why yes it was. A WHITE crime town. WHITE guys shooting cops. You remember, Al Capone, The Chicago outfit, John Torrio, Big Jim Collisimo. ALL WHITE GUYS.

Daddy was a cop
On the east side of Chicago
Back in the U S A
Back in the bad old days

In the heat of a summer night
In the land of the dollar bill
When the town of Chicago died
And they talk about it still

When a man named Al Capone
Tried to make that town his own
And he called his gang to war
With the forces of the law

I heard my mama cry
I heard her pray the night Chicago died
Brother what a night it really was
Brother what a fight it really was, glory be

I heard my mama cry
I heard her pray the night Chicago died
Brother what a night the people saw
Brother what a fight the people saw, yes indeed

And the sound of the battle rang
Through the streets of the old east side
'Til the last of the hoodlum gang
Had surrendered up or died

There was shouting in the street
And the sound of running feet

And I asked someone who said
'Bout a hundred cops are dead

I heard my mama cry
I heard her pray the night Chicago died
Brother what a night it really was
Brother what a fight it really was, glory be

I heard my mama cry
I heard her pray the night Chicago died
Brother what a night the people saw
Brother what a fight the people saw, yes indeed

Then there was no sound at all
But the clock upon the wall

Then the door burst open wide
And my daddy stepped inside
And he kissed my mama's face
And he brushed her tears away

The night Chicago died
The night Chicago died
Brother what a night the people saw
Brother what a fight the people saw, yes indeed

The night Chicago died
The night Chicago died
Brother what a night it really was
Brother what a fight it really was, glory be

Read more: PAPER LACE - THE NIGHT CHICAGO DIED LYRICS

Bottom Line

What an intelligent rebuttal. Your argument is about mobsters in the 1920s and prohibition era. Yes, Chicago was waiting for the Obama's to come save the day for 70 years. And look at Chicago now, a cesspool for violent criminals. Your defense is about as useful to your case as the state's star witness was for Trayvon. You remember that fat, illiterate, lying pig. How many times did her story change was it 3 or 4? And I don't care what color she was. Makes NO difference to me.

santown419

Sounds like your mom

sugar

silly lib

Contango

Re: "THE NIGHT CHICAGO DIED"

A highly historically inaccurate and insipid song.

"'Bout a hundred cops are dead" - NEVER happened.

JACKEL

Guns are like parachutes.If you need one and don't have it you probably won't need it again !

coasterfan

Extreme right-wing Republicans can't help themselves. The more they try to make people believe they aren't racist, the more things they say/do to prove that they really DO have a problem with race.

Thing is, I know a lot of intelligent, reasonable conservatives. It's rather telling that very few of them post on this website. They have little in common with the tea party, Birther, conspiracy loons who post here, who are blissfully unaware that 90% of Americans disagree with their narrow worldview.

Huron_1969

Good observation..... and the same goes for the far left liberals. The confounding part of it is, the extremists (left and right) are getting all of the attention.

Fromthe419

Come on coasterfan, for the last 200 plus years our society has been bending over backward to allow those in the minority to have a say, so if you are correct in saying the tea party, birther and conspiracy are now the minority, I would think you would be bending over backwards to have their right to speak. You can't have it both ways, in a free and democratic society, both sides have the right to speak their mind. As for me and libertarians, let both sides speak their mind and don't discriminate against either side.

Contango

Re: "I know a lot of intelligent, reasonable conservatives."

What are the political philosophical differences between the above and Progressives?

coasterfan

A more interesting question would be "What are the differences between intelligent, reasonable conservatives and teaparty activists"...

Contango

Re: "intelligent, reasonable conservatives"

Allow me to rephrase the QUESTION: And this means what? Define YOUR
terms.

Darwin's choice

"conspiracy loons who post here, who are blissfully unaware that 90% of Americans disagree with their narrow worldview."

Lol!!! Say's the king of posting!! Look in the mirror......

sugar

Stop with the worn out race card, it just is not working anymore. I see that the Justice Bro Sharpton got about 500 people in DC for his rally last Saturday. Smart minorities know it's BS used by the progs to control outcomes.

beepx22

i know i was happy to have mine the day i needed it.

coasterfan

Huron is 100% correct. The interesting thing about the wingnuts is that they, for some reason, have absolutely no idea that they are wingnuts. They actually seem to believe that everyone does (or should) see things exactly as they do.

At least we Democrats stick together. The teaparty fringe are even seen as outcasts by their own party, yet the more isolated they become, the more outspoken and belligerant they get. They're so far to the right that they think all Democrats are liberals, and all mainstream Republicans are RINOs. We Dems don't have any of our party leadership calling us the "party of stupid" as Jindal did, or Bob Dole types suggesting that we "close down for repairs" because our party has lost its way.

The Darwins and Contangos of the world are a people who profess to love America, yet they quite obviously hate most Americans (i.e. the majority who don't agree with their viewpoint). It's not liberals who are foisting a new false conspiracy each day, it's conservatives. The funny thing is, even when their conspiracies are exposed as pure bunk (IRS scandal, "global warming isn't real" and Obama's birth certificate for example), they continue to insist that "it's a conspiracy".

OK, I know I shouldn't poke the bear. You can go back inside your Republican bubble now, to grumble, grumble your life away. You should probably get used to the way things are, though. We're not going to go back to Romney World circa 1950, and yours is a rapidly shrinking New Minority in America.

deertracker

I applaud your effort trying to educate these right wing dingbats!

Darwin's choice

Does it make any difference who's azz you kiss? Pucker up Deertracker!

sugar

Do you get all your ideas from the Dem talking points of the day? Or do you try to have thoughts and opines of your very own?

Contango

Re: "they quite obviously hate most Americans,"

"They" "hate" Progressive Fabian socialist style collectivism and LOVE individual freedom and personal responsibility as our nation’s founders and others like John Locke envisioned.

2cents's picture
2cents

Nice comment : )

Contango

Thanks.

Question that I've asked and that has NEVER been answered by ANY of our resident socialists:

With which (if any) of the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto do you disagree?

If they refer to socialism-communism as liberalism, Progressivism or some other "ism," then they are able to ignorantly view it as a more "enlightened" form of oppression.

sugar

Yes they do hate Fabian style progressives, at least I do.

The Big Dog's back

I'm not sure there's anybody pooh doesn't hate, including the one in the mirror.

2cents's picture
2cents

Oh how phony, I bet this kid could be her son too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i...

coasterfan

Contango: THAT'S your source? A blog in the Dallas News, a conservative newspaper in one of the most conservative states in the Union? See, that's what I'm talking about. Your information is suspect from the get-go. The Dallas News posted a full page spread calling Kennedy a communist on the day he was assassinated. And your "source" isn't even an article, it's a non-endorsed blog posting.

"Repealing Obamacare, gutting critical investments in our future, threatening to default on the bills this country has already racked up, or shutting down the government...None of that will take this country where it needs to go". Pres. Obama neatly summed up the Republicans in the above statement.

Progressives want things to get better, and take steps to foster progress. Conservatives want things to stay the same, no matter how bad things currently are. They fight any attempt to change things, which is why they still want to enact the economic policies that brought our economy to its knees. They fight things that they supported in 2008, simply because Obama has now endorsed them. The past 30 years is replete with examples of how their plan doesn't work, and since they have no independent data to present, they resort to name-calling. In their eyes, Obama and Progressives are communists, socialists, Marxists and anti-American (although they would be unable to tell you the difference between the above).

You can either be part of the team that is working to make things better, or you can be part of the team (GOP) that is trying to stop them.
But please stop trying to sell us a bucket of poop and marketing it as honey. When I look at what the GOP stands for, from top to bottom, it's just poo. 1950s poo.

Contango

Re: "THAT'S your source?"

The man was a POW!

Here's the original; you obviously lack research skills.

http://samjohnson.house.gov/

The Big Dog's back

So what! Does that make him immune to being a right wingnut? Probably why he got caught in the 1st place. Just like McCain.

sugar

Are you really that selfish, and contemptible that you would say something so crass about a POW, even if you don't like his politics? One sorry excuse for an American, the face of the liberals, shame on you.

Contango

Re: "they resort to name-calling. In their eyes, Obama and Progressives are communists, socialists, Marxists and anti-American"

Answer the question:

With which (if any) of the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto do you disagree?

If it walks like a duck...

Also: As one who is often particularly verbose, a non-reply would merely fill volumes.

The Big Dog's back

I've already answered that a 1000 times pooh. You just refuse to accept the answer.

sugar

pooh, boo, coco, get off the Ebonics
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Contango

Re: "they resort to name-calling. In their eyes, Obama and Progressives are communists, socialists, Marxists and anti-American,"

A rich old man keeps asking a young lady how much to go to bed with him.

At $1 million, she says yes; he starts to lower the price and she retorts: "What do you think I am?"

The man replies: "We’ve established what you are; now we’re just haggling over the price.”

Minuteman

Both parties are still getting over on us. Sure, there are no answers to questions put to the democrats, other than namecalling and insults, but the Repubs haven't done anything to stem the fall of the economy or rampant crime. It's just a blame game to keep us arguing while they increase our taxes yet again. They even set up websites to provide fodder for our bickering matches.

sugar

Agreed, but I still think our ends can be achieved thru the Repub party, it's already been infiltrated, won't be long now....

The Big Dog's back

The Great Depression- Caused by Repubs. The Great Recession- Caused by Repubs. FACT!

Minuteman

A perfect example. There is so much fodder available on the internet that any argument can be spun away in a second. The Great Depression. Who saw that coming? No one will sway an inch from their carefully crafted opinion. Just go through the left(liberal) gate or the right(conservative) gate into the corral and prepare to be fleeced yet again.

Darwin's choice

Fall of America-caused by Obama...FACT

The Big Dog's back

So America is falling? Where?

sugar

Hate to break it to you but you BD are merely a symptom of the fall, you have no soul, no shame, no independent thought, you are a mass and a mess of liberal propaganda.

The Big Dog's back

Why thank you!

grumpy

It is what you wish was able to be proved... but as is with many of your statements sadly lacking in substance, nor your ability to prove.

EZOB

Coasterfan,
You finally have really gotten under my skin. You obviosly have "NO" idea about Veterans situations in Ohio. We rank number 50 nationally. Montague, Head of the Wade Park facility has just been removed charged with 33 Federal charges, June 19, 2013. 464,000 claims have been removed from the VA office in Cleveland, completely wiped out. Sherrod Brown, who sits on the US Veterans Commitee, has neglected to do anything. Rob Portman has given a detailed report to Eric Shinski and all Ohio Veterans should refile their claims.
Michelle to Barrack, "All this for a F(*(ng Flag". Barrack, "Yeah". OH yes, I do remember, all to well.

sugar

So do I, so do I, those who put these monsters in OUR WH should hang their heads in shame.

sugar

LA RAZA folks, LA RAZA! That kind of sums it up!

The Big Dog's back

Bullspit!

Darwin's choice

And again, the Big Dog Dodge!

The Big Dog's back

Since White America has basically crapped on Black America over the years, slavery, no respect for their service in World war 1 or WWll or Vietnam, cross burnings, lynchings, Jim Crow laws, is it any wonder some people might have a little apprehensiveness towards the flag?

grumpy

Many if not most folks didn't have ancestors who were here during slave years. Many if not most folks here during slave years didn't own slaves ( lived in the North or didn't own slaves if they lived in the South). many who had ancestors here in the North fought against the slave owners. Many of the folks here didn't have ancestors here during WW!. some didn't have ancestors here during WW2. Most folks here, didn't have ancestors who burned crosses. most folks here don't have ancestors who were a part of lynchings.

Suggest you research and find those who did and complain to them. Leave those who have nothing to do with such things alone.

The Big Dog's back

So that makes it OK pooh? Because you personally weren't there? Was it OK for the Nazis to toast the Jews? Remember, you weren't there. What a lame excuse.

grumpy

Makes what OK? Blaming people who weren't there? I wasn't alive when Nazis were persicuting Jews in Germany. As far as I know none of my ancestors came from Germany. Why would I be blamed?

As far as I know I wasn't alive during slavery in the US. None of my ancestors were in this country then. Most folks didn't have ancestors who had slaves. Most who were in this country didn't own slaves. Many in this country at the time fought against the South. Most didn't take part in lynchings, or cross burning, nor did their ancestors. Why are you trying to blame all white people now for what few did then?

If you wish to blame those who did those things it is fine with me. Research and find those involved and go to their graves and complain. Find the few still alive who were part of what you blame all white people for doing and complain to them. Leave out those who had nothing to do with those things you whined about.

Is that simple enough for you to comprehend? Or do I need to dumb it down further for you to understand it, piddle puppy?

The Big Dog's back

You must have really low self esteem if you thought what I posted had anything to do with blaming people "who weren't there".

em·pa·thy [em-puh-thee] Show IPA
noun
1.
the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.
2.
the imaginative ascribing to an object, as a natural object or work of art, feelings or attitudes present in oneself: By means of empathy, a great painting becomes a mirror of the self.

grumpy

I don't blame Germany for what Nazis did to Jews any more than I blame Americans (or white people) for the way SOME people treated blacks in America. But then that would only be placing blame on those who actually did something wrong instead of being able to blame large elements of people who did nothing. Kind of limits the ability to hate groups, like blacks, or whites, or Asians, or... It is putting blame on individuals instead of whole groups.

Contango

Re: "I don't blame Germany for what Nazis did to Jews,"

IMO, don't bother. He's attempting to bait you. As a troll, he/she/it likes to play circular mind games.

Dog (aka brutus smith) is a Jew hater:

"Actually a bunch (of) Stone Age right wingnuts wrote the Old Testament." (brutus smith, Sept. 10, 2010)

Remember:

By EXECUTIVE ORDER, FDR had AMERICAN citizens of Japanese, German, Italian AND Jewish decent rounded up and put in concentration camps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exe...

grumpy

He isn't intelligent enough to catch anyone in a trap. If I simply tell the truth and use facts he has already lost. He will start calling names to show his loss soon, if not during his next post... if he even responds again. It is easier for him to duck and hide. Facts and truth hurts.

Contango

BTW: Most avg. Germans had little idea what the Nazis were doing to the Jews.

It was the "classic" ruse of rich vs. poor, of ethnic and class warfare being used by power hungry politicians.

A great book:

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Mi...

The Big Dog's back

LIHOP.

grumpy

Not worth commenting on it. I deleted a knee jerk reaction. I have no problem holding people responsible for their actions. I don't hold people responsible for things they didn't do... and then blaming whole groups for what some few did, or do.

Darwin's choice

Dodge, defer, deflect, divide!

Centauri

Spoken like a true black racist who hates Caucasians, Latinos and other non-blacks.

What would make you happy, Big Dog?

Maybe round up all of the non-black people and exterminate them? Would that make you happy? Racism lives on because black racists like yourself and others perpetuate racism.

http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/201...
"8 Ways Blacks Perpetuate Racism and the Only Way to Thwart It"

Maybe giving you a one-way ticket out of the United States would make you happy, Big Dog? That can be arranged at no cost to you.

Centauri

Same link but viewed as a single page instead of 9 web pages.

http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/201...

Centauri

And another thing about black racist Holder:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/n...
"Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. played the race card in congressional testimony on Tuesday, referring to blacks as his “people” while neglecting the rest of Americans. That race-based lens pervades his Justice Department, causing consistently skewed enforcement of the law."

"To which Mr. Holder added: “It really says that … I am not the tall U.S. attorney, I am not the thin U.S. attorney. I am the black U.S. attorney."

Black Panthers intimidating white voters- OK with Holder

White militia members practice in woods--Holder goes after them.

Holder goes after white whistleblowers who expose the wrongs of the government.

Black racists only perpetuate racism. I heard that the white supremacist groups are gaining new members. Take a bow you black racists who perpetuate racism.

sugar

Not everyone,look at Col. West, Thomas Solwell,Herman Cain, Ben Carson, Deneen Borelli, Star Parker, Crystal Wright, Mia Love, Francesca Chambers, more and more are leaving the Dem Plantation. Holding onto your racism and anger only destroys you.

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