Locals react to Zimmerman verdict, aftermath

When Jim Jackson turned on his TV Saturday night, he was seeking evidence of change.
Alissa Widman Neese
Jul 17, 2013

 

But as he observed a slew of unforeseen updates regarding a contentious trial verdict, the president of the local NAACP chapter said he felt nothing less than a slap in the face.

“A verdict like this shows nothing has changed too much from the 1950s,” Jackson said Monday. “The local black community is outraged. We’re stunned. And we have a right to be.”   

This past weekend, a jury acquitted a Florida neighborhood watch volunteer of all charges against him in the killing of a teenager this past year. He could have been convicted of second-degree murder or manslaughter. 

The man, George Zimmerman, shot an unarmed 17-year-old, Trayvon Martin, in what he claimed was an act of self-defense. Others claimed Zimmerman, who identifies himself as Hispanic, racially profiled Martin, a black teen who was walking home from a convenience store on a rainy February night.       

A jury of six deliberated for more than 15 hours and determined Saturday that Zimmerman’s claims were justified. The polarizing decision has ignited passionate responses nationwide regarding racial profiling, state gun laws and what constitutes self-defense. 

Some have said the case isn’t a race issue, but to Jackson, the situation’s racial implications are impossible to ignore.   

“Try to imagine the situation reversed, if a black man shot a white teenager on his way home in his neighborhood,” Jackson said. “There would be outrage among everyone. What it comes down to is the question: ‘Is racism dead in America?’ Obviously it’s not.”   

The NAACP has called for the U.S. Department of Justice to open a civil rights case against Zimmerman. The justice department said Sunday it’s looking into the case to determine whether it should do so.

The NAACP has created an online petition to the department, which it’s promoting on its website, www.naacp.org. Most local NAACP members have signed it. Despite the petition and outcry, many local individuals, including those practicing law, contend the federal ruling was correct.   

“It’s easy to second-guess others, but we weren’t in the courtroom nor on the street,” said Kenneth R. Bailey, an attorney in Sandusky. “I have faith that the jury’s verdict of actual innocence is accurate.”   

An arrest doesn’t mean an individual is guilty, which is the mindset of many Americans following divisive trials, Bailey said. In this instance, Bailey acknowledged injustice is still alive, regardless of the verdict.   

“Mr. Zimmerman will be followed by the shadow of this case for the rest of his life,” Bailey said. “Meanwhile, the Martin family will never be reunited with their son. Nobody received justice.”   

Chris Knople, a Norwalk resident who spoke about the case Monday after responding to one of the Register’s Facebook posts, said he believes people should “trust the jury followed the letter of the law” and stop making uninformed decisions regarding the case, including rioting and citing racism.   

“In the days to follow, I’m going to be interested in seeing if Zimmerman is pursued by the justice department,” Knople said. “Will it be because of pressure from the public and Washington D.C., or will it be because actual charges exist? We shall see.”

 

George Zimmerman case highlights

George Zimmerman's trial in the shooting death of teen Trayvon Martin was nearly three weeks long and concluded Saturday night with an acquittal on all charges. The ruling on the Florida case unleashed debate nationwide concerning racial profiling, self-defense, gun laws and equal justice.

•The verdict: George Zimmerman, who identifies as Hispanic, was found not guilty of second-degree murder in the 2012 death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, who is black. The jury could have considered manslaughter charges for Zimmerman but declined doing so.

•The jury: The case's judge issued an anonymity order for the six jurors during the trial, so their names have not been made public. They delivered their verdict Saturday after 15 hours of deliberation.

•President's response: The White House doesn't typically respond to trials not involving the president or federal government, but it issued a rare statement Sunday about the Zimmerman trial. In the statement, President Barack Obama said "we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken," but also called Martin's death a tragedy and acknowledged the strong passions it elicited nationwide.

•Looking forward: Zimmerman left the courthouse this weekend as a free man with no charges. The NAACP has called for the U.S. Department of Justice to open a civil rights case against Zimmerman. The department said Sunday it's looking into the case to determine whether it should do so.

 

Friendly chatter

The Register asked some of its Facebook friends for their opinions on the trial verdict:

•Shari Miller: The jury made the decision. If anyone is unhappy with it then they should be mad at the jury. It is what it is.

•Robert Vanwhy: It's messed up how someone can kill an innocent kid and get away with it and an innocent woman fires warning shots to protect herself and she gets 20 years. That's one messed up system down there.

•Jon Adams: Poor George Zimmerman has to fear for his life. In a fit of hilarity George's brother worried that "someone might take the law into his own hands!"

•Kimberly Slater-Price: Very happy!

•Shaun Bickley: It should have never went to trial. Zimmerman never committed any crime. The police would not press charges, then politically 44 days after the event, the special prosecutor charged him ... Total crap!

•Tim Stang: Time to move on, folks. Nobody won in this tragedy.

•Kari Hamer: Enough with the race war. Tragedies happen every day to many different races, not all black and white.

•Dianne Trout: I am not convinced that he is not guilty. Why would you take a gun outside in a residential area with the safety off if you were not premeditating something?

•Dionne Amison: Not one of you would say say "time to move on" or "get over it" if it had been your 17-year-old child that had been racially profiled, followed, chased down and then gunned down like an animal.

•Tiffany England: None of this would have been about race if the media didn't make it that way. Nothing makes any sense in America anymore.

 

Comments

xtensionofme

A young man’s post on Facebook about Zimmerman’s future says it best:

“For the rest of your life you are now going to feel what its like to be a black man in America,” Alex Fraser wrote.

“You will feel people stare at you. Judging you for what you think are unfair reasons. You will lose out on getting jobs for something you feel is outside of your control. You will believe yourself to be an upstanding citizen and wonder why people choose to not see that. …

“I bet you never thought that by shooting a black male you’d end up inheriting all of his struggles.”

Fraser added, “Enjoy your ‘freedom.’”

I couldn't agree more!

Mystery_Cheese

I find it slightly absurd that some African-American's think they are the only people that struggle in life. That they are the only ones persecuted for being different. There are racists on all sides of the color spectrum. By acting as though your color is always the victim, you'll never see past the colors. You'll always succumb to the same thing that you're raging against.

Julie R.

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KnuckleDragger

Actually, considering the number of people who believe the trial was a sham, forced for political reasons, it will probably be the other way around. Even if it doesn't it won't matter, he stands to make millions off the lawsuit against the TV network that doctored the tape of the phone call.

The Big Dog's back

AAAAAAAmen xtensionofme.

IT'S ME

People like Jim Jackson, Al Sharpton, & Jessie Jackson live off of racism. They have to keep stirring the pot, that's how they make a living! Without racism they don't collect a paycheck, so they try and create it anyway they can.

dontknowmuch

Amen....

middleclassworker

AAAAAAAmen!!

The Big Dog's back

People like rush windbag, sean hannity, mark levin, live off racism.

Mystery_Cheese

I can't stand any of them either. However, Sharpton, Jackson, and the Black Panthers do as well. Be fair if you're calling out one race of people on racism, since the other side also has plenty of racists. Realize that collectivism is always wrong, and individualism is always the right way. Protecting the individual inherently protects the rights of a group. Protecting the group could eventually infringe on the rights of the individual. You seem like the collectivist type.

Darwin's choice

Big Dog, You don't care whose hiney you're licking, do you?

JudgeMeNot

Not one bit.

CAST THE FIRST STONE

the racist dog is back.

ladydye_5

Yet another story by the Register to keep stirring the POT. Until the MEDIA quits rewording the same story to make people mad this will never end.

The Big Dog's back

Who's mad?

CAST THE FIRST STONE

you live for stuff like this.. look what they did to us

Swiftshot

I actually agree with you. This is a story that should settle down before stirring the pot

VTX Rider

Mr. Jackson,

I too feel it is a slap in the face every time a person of color is acquitted of a crime against a person of non-color (for lack of a better term!) Are you serious!

At the end of the day there are many lives changed for ever.

Unassumer

a person of color wasn't acquitted here. a person of color was killed and his killer was acquitted. but it's still a slap in the face.

VTX Rider

Yes, I understand that. I was being sarcastic!!!!

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The Hero Zone

Thank you Ken and Chris for your statements that aren't divisive, insulting, nor replacing contemporary facts with blanket emotion based sixty years ago.

Mr. Jackson, I personally feel your words backed up by your station in the community at large let alone the specific group you lead were hurtful and not in the spirit of what it is the organization you lead intends to do - a mission with which I can very much agree!

As the leader of a community in the year 2013, and I am referencing myself here but not claiming to speak on their behalf with this post, perhaps I can visit with you and discuss what is being done in today's world to reach the goals that your organization seeks. I can provide you hope, I assure you, and maybe offer tips on how to better market your ideals.

I won't espouse to have all the answers and I am certainly not a perfect human being as you aren't either, but if there can be some outreach to avoid blanketed statements like the one that opened this story we can all advance as a people regardless of...anything. Words like the ones you use can certainly create dispassion, disinterest, and perpetuate division.

Those are three qualities which are counter-intuitive to the goals of the NAACP. I presume, of course, without being a member myself. Maybe I am wrong? There is room to enlighten me as well.

The Good Doctor

With all due respect, it is "not emotion based on 60 years ago", but the reality of 2013. If we truly lived in a post-racial society, Zimmerman would never have stalked Martin. The jury never considered evidence that Zimmerman had called the police scores of times during the year prior to the night on which he killed Martin and ALL of his calls were about "suspicious" black males. The judge refused to allow the prosecution to call Zimmerman's actions as racial profiling, which would have been an accurate description.

The police made significant errors, the prosecution was subpar and, based on comments attributable to the juror who had planned on writing a book, the jury was confused and did not understand the differences between murder 2 and manslaughter.

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In regards to the reality you set forth, and asked with the same (and appreciated given some of the other commenters in other threads) respect: So what's the measure? The end? When can I stop being blanket-grouped in with actual, vocal, practicing racists who are in a severe minority of the entire population? Must we go 10 years without any kind of interracial incident - purposeful, accidental, or otherwise? 20 years?

I who am surrounded by non-forced, authentic diversity every day am tired of these wide nets and hence my remarks toward Mr. Jackson. Reading this article I almost stopped as "oh...it's THIS again" regarding the first paragraph and I may as well have been reading another story about the Westboro Baptist Church and the parade of ignorance they put on display. A reason I do still read those articles is to see that they got their comeuppance in the end by people of rational, enlightened thinking. That was consistent in this article and I was appreciative of that.

While I have never met Mr. Jackson (that I know of?), the reason why I am so disappointed is because I actually would hold the first impression that he is intelligent, charismatic, thoughtful, and possesses the leadership qualities necessary to head an organization like this. The quotes (if he was misquoted then please let me know) however paint a different picture and it saddened me. We all want to believe in people, to share in a vision greater than any one of us, and yet there are always moments where those expectations fall flat.

Going beyond racism, the true issue of ignorance will forever be a part of every culture everywhere. Ignorant statements made about/from ignorant people even. Remarks that ripple outward and act as much in the aggregate as powerfully as any single barrier. That was my concern with the statements. If Mr. Jackson was speaking just for himself or as some anonymous person here that is one thing, but I found the choice of words to completely backtrack my understood goals of the organization he leads. Which is a shame as I stated I think the advancement of people, culture, etc. is vital to our continued survival as a species.

grumpy

If what you said was true, and could be proved, they would have been said during the trial. The prosecutor couldn't prove that Zimmerman "stalked" Martin, so the prosecutor couldn't say that, he had to say followed.

They couldn't prove that every person Zimmerman called cops about was a suspicious black, or that Zimmerman said they were black, even though all those calls are recorded, so that was not able to be used in court since you can't use what you haven't proved. The exception to that is during closing arguments where the lawyers can use conjecture.

The cops didn't find evidence to bring the charges that were brought to court. The jury might have convicted Zimmerman if the prosecutor had charged him with something that the evidence showed he was guilty of. The prosecutor overcharged. They should have looked at what evidence they had and charged Zimmerman with what they could prove.

If you wish to complain about the case, do so about the prosecutor who supposedly knew what evidence was available and shot herself in the foot by overcharging.

deertracker

@ The Good Doctor
Agreed!

The Big Dog's back

You would non-hero.

grumpy

You are 100% correct in that statement. I am like 99.9% of the people. Unlike you who is a hero typing away on his computer making claims about how he isn't forced to avoid confrontations and isn't a wuss. I see many people who make claims of not being a wuss all the time (not really but then we must make allowances for the piddle puppy, he is, after all a hero... in his mind, see how he stands up on the internet?)

The Big Dog's back

Shows what an ego you have pooh since I was talking to hero zone.

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The Hero Zone

I am not quite sure I got what grumpy said aside from taking a swipe at you. I think he may have tried to defend me? I keep rereading it and don't quite put it together.

That aside I am not upset you called me a name (I suppose it is a rite of passage in these forums) but can I please get a better one than non-hero? Zero Zone maybe? Hell-no Zone? Hero Zit?

You can also call me "friend" (even sarcastically) since I don't hold animosity toward you.

grumpy

doubled

The Big Dog's back

Did you hear the juror who spoke out last night? If you don't see what a bullspit verdict this was you are beyond help.

herbie_hancock

Whats a SR story without a little "Drama Dog"

Huron_1969

Ummmmm....
Christmas in July?
Lottery winner?
Same joy as bowling a 300?
Welcome relief?
A miracle?

grumpy

Notice all piddle puppy does is whine, but won't make a post about the details of who and WHAT was done wrong about the case. Emotions and vitriol is what he is limited to.

The Big Dog's back

Funny how the testimony of Rachel Jeantel coincided with the 911 tapes. Hmmmmm.

grumpy

Yes, it sure did that time she repeated it. When she talked to the cops she said differently, then when she did her deposition she said something different.... But when she got on the stand she finally came up with yet another version.

I will let you search for the truth on those things also. They are easy to find on the internet.

Mystery_Cheese

Are you referencing the juror who stated that originally, they were divided about the verdict, but after going over the evidence for 16 hours, decided Zimmerman was not guilty. That juror? The one who confirmed that the evidence even swayed a previously divided jury?

whazup

Dumb Dog hears what he wants to hear.

Maggdi

Unfortunately there are many people in this country who "are hearing what they want to hear". And are using it as justification to do bodily harm to others not of their 'race'. That is the the real danger we face at this time.
I'm sure the DOJ will pursue these "Hate Crimes" professionally and with vigor.

LabMan

4 other jurors said her stetements were not true.

Mr. D

You mean the juror who said that after 16 hrs of deliberating and based on evidence presented to them, they all agreed that they could not convict Zimmerman of the charges. Is that the juror you speak of?

man4451

YOUR missing the whole RACE thing, its not Black and White as the media wants you to believe. There are OTHER races involved.

SoldOnAcorns

We didn't see white folk rioting in the streets after the O.J. verdict now did we ???

The Big Dog's back

Ahhhhh yes we did.

KnuckleDragger

Where?

The Big Dog's back

How could 3 jurors, 2 who were for Manslaughter 1 for 2nd degree murder change their minds in the last hour to not guilty?

OldRightWingNut

This could only happen is if they actually looked at the law and made their decision based on the law.

The Big Dog's back

bullspit.

Mystery_Cheese

I notice you post 'bullspit' after every post that doesn't agree with you. Enlightening.

The Big Dog's back

It is isn't it.

bobshumway92

I'm loving all of this drama!!! Bunch of whiny cry babies!!!

grumpy

You are correct. They knew what the term "reasonable doubt" actually means. They read the judges instructions and followed the rules of law as written. They weren't controlled by emotion. Like many they felt sorry for Martin's parents but voted on the facts and evidence of the case that was presented to them during trial.

The Big Dog's back

So they had an awakening in the last hour?

grumpy

Didn't say that. They read the judges instructions, looked at the evidence, discussed it for hours on end, understood what the term "Reasonable Doubt" actually means when used in a court of law, and came to agree that the prosecution did not meet it's burden to prove it's case. They were in discussions for over 16 hours.

The Big Dog's back

They were still undecided after 15 hours. It was 3-3. Did you hear the jurist speak?

Mystery_Cheese

Apparently, unlike you, the jurors were open-minded enough to understand the laws, and realized Zimmerman was not guilty of the charges brought against him. Someone that's closed-minded would not understand. Their mind would already be made up, and even when presented with facts that prove them wrong, they would be unable to accept it, despite facts.

The Big Dog's back

Apparently you didn't hear the jurist speak or you wouldn't be echoing fox news.

Mystery_Cheese

Amazing, since I don't watch Fox, MSNBC, or any other hate-filled 'news' channel. I'm not ignorant enough to let others discern my beliefs. I form my own by reading facts from multiple sources, and using critical thinking, not emotion, to formulate an opinion on a subject. I'm not a Zimmerman supporter, nor a Martin supporter. I only support facts and evidence.

grumpy

How can one juror know how convinced the other jurors are in their opinions? She can't see into their minds anymore than you can. it is obvious that they must not have been that convinced, after 15 hours or they wouldn't have decided how they did. I suggest that you go down there and run each of those on the jury down and ask them piddle puppy, then you will know and can make a knowing comment on this, instead of conjecture. Don't let the cops try to stop you from harassing the jurors, you have the right to know.

deertracker

You mean Faux News!!!!!!!

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deertracker
Tue, 07/16/2013 - 7:57am

It's time to move on guys. Let it go!

Yellow Snow

The 50th anniversary of Dr. King's speech in Washington is a few weeks away.

"Do you know that Negros are 10% of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58% of our crimes. We've got to face that, and we've got to do something about our moral standings" Dr. Martin Luther King 1961 This was before the benefits of the civil rights movement. This was pre-voting right, pre civil-rights.

Jesse Jackson once said "When I'm walking down the street at night and I hear footsteps behind me and I turn around and see a White person, I'm relieved" So the perception of Black people is both law abiding Whites and law abiding Blacks
Today's black leaders say until you get rid of racism, don't blame us.
There needs to be discussion within Black families, children, and leaders. It really has very little with White people. Black behavior drives perceptions.
Discussion needs to get back to the kind of discussion Dr. King was trying to have. Stop focusing on White racism, and focus on personal responsibility. It is only then when racism will be forever gone,

sandtown born a...

Personal responsibility what a concept, now try to convince the racists of that concept, not a lot of hope for them, save our youth and teach your children a non racist view that's the best chance for eliminating the hatred that seems to be a way of life for so many. Of course this is just my opinion but I try to live it daily.

The Big Dog's back

Would you be singing the same tune if it was your son stalked and gunned down?

deertracker

No, he wouldn't! This is about unequal justice!

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deertracker
Tue, 07/16/2013 - 7:57am

It's time to move on guys. Let it go!

arnmcrmn

He wasn't stalked down.....the law proved that. Martin came back after Ziimmerman stopped following him and was returning to his car. He wanted to teach this cracker a lesson...even though Zim is hispanic. Martin was trying to live up to the thug character he has created over his social media accounts.

Mystery_Cheese

I would've raised my son to call the police if he's being followed by a stranger, not his friend; unless of course that friend was intelligent enough to call the police for you. I'd also raise him to avoid confrontation whenever possible, since you don't know what the other person is packing or planning. My son would've screamed for help while running home and calling the police.

However, were my son stalked and gunned down, unlike Martin, then yes, I would be singing a different tune.

sandtown born a...

my son wouldn't have confronted someone for following them, end of story

The Big Dog's back

You don't know that.

Bottom Line

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2...

Probably the most honest man in America... and certainly the most respect I've ever had for someone in a steelers hat.

The Big Dog's back

A new statistical study of federal crime data led by Ezekiel Edwards of the ACLU, as reported by Yahoo News, has concluded that black people are arrested for possessing marijuana far more often than white people, even though marijuana use by both races is about the same. About 14% of black people and 12% of white people reported in 2010 that they had used marijuana during the previous year. The study notes that in absolute numbers, far more whites were arrested for marijuana possession in 2010, 460,808, than blacks with 282,117 arrests, but those numbers translate into 716 arrests per 100,000 for blacks in 2010 versus 192 per 100,000 for whites.

herbie_hancock

"Far more whites were arrested for marijuana possession in 2010" Haha...the ACLUs numbers in this study don't even add up. The total population in the US is 316,668,567 (2012 stat). In the US 79.96% (253,208,186) of the population is white and %12.85 (40,691,910) is black (2012 stats). So if both races use mariquana approximately the same like your study suggest (14% white = 35,449,100, 12% black = 4,883,030), then OBVIOUSLY more white people are going to be arrested for it then black because there are MORE white people. As far as the arrest per 100,000 based on the exact SAME user percentages, total population and population break-up by race in 2012, the numbers in the ACLU study should be 354 white arrest per 100,000 and 48 black arrest per 100,000. Thus debunking whatever it was you were trying to argue by posting your "study". The numbers listed by the ACLU in THEIR OWN study don't add up, making your argument invalid. Statistics can be made to look like anything simply by omitting a peice of data. Just because you can copy and paste something from yahoo doesn't mean its going to be accurate or intelligent. 99% of people who have cancer.......DRANK WATER!!! And THATS a true statistic.

deertracker

You are correct. Whites do get arrested more. They just don't go to prison. Blacks do! Now do the math!

herbie_hancock

We could do the math on repeat offenders broken up by race then...Im pretty sure that will explain why there are more black people in jail for marijuana (a minor misdomeanor the first time in Ohio) then whites. Or we could do the math on intent to sell and trafficing marijuana by race. But only if you think it will help your argument...

deertracker

You would be wrong. If you are going to go all stat crazy, include all stats!

KnuckleDragger

What deerturd is trying to say is, he doesn't have a clue, and won't believe you even if you laid all the facts on the table. Liberals don't like facts because they often go against their sick agenda.

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deertracker
Tue, 07/16/2013 - 7:57am

It's time to move on guys. Let it go!

Julie R.

"You are correct. Whites do get arrested more. They just don't go to prison. Blacks do! Now do the math!"

Like.

herbie_hancock

See the above comment Julie. If you can’t understand the above comment that already broke down the math and explained the follow on comment then maybe I could invite The Count to write it as a Sesame Street song. I already know the math, I’d rather you do it, and enjoy the deafening silence that would follow once you learn the facts. Or you could keep echoing someone else’s psycho babble that was already shot down because it wasn’t based on fact. Feel free to keep commenting though, the more you do, the more credibility you lose because you base your comments off your feelings and what someone else says instead of the unfortunate facts. Your comments just make you another drama king/queen of a small town newspaper forum. Congrats.

Julie R.

Sorry, but I think black people DO get harsher prison sentences than white people for identical/similar crimes.

A few examples in this area alone --- the black lady Krista Harris got a harsh five-year prison sentence with no early release after Erie County prosecutors (barf) claimed she stole from her elderly aunt, even after the aunt's doctor, Susan Gallagher, testified that the POA she used was legal prepared years back when the aunt was still competent. Now compare that to the white employee in the Erie County Treasurer's office who stole $150K of taxpayer monies. All she got was 2 years and only had to serve a third of it. Or how about the white employee at Huron's Key Bank that stole half a million over a 5-year period? All she got was two years, too.

Also, how about the judges in corrupt Cuyahoga County who the FEDS got for fixing cases for the friends of Dimora and Russo? The white female judge only got two years ~ and according to the Plain Dealer ~ she's already out, meaning she never even served the full 2 years. Yet the black male judge got 5 years with no early release.

deertracker

Not to mention the lady in Florida that just got 20 years for trying to protect herself from her abusive husband. All she did was shoot in the air!

J Cooper

Its called the rule of law, like it or not, where was the outrage when OJ was acquitted? Obama, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton talks about this case but when do they do anything when, that since this tragic incident which was 514 days ago, 11,106 blacks have been killed, 93% at the hands of other blacks. Who are the true racists in this incident? Bigots come in all colors.

dontknowmuch

Sadly, the black community can't generate any racism and cry foul when blacks are killing blacks. Throw diffferent colors in and racism is alive and well

Unassumer

Zimmerman's a racist and so are most of you. I will concede that I am too but this man killed a young man that he profiled as a criminal based on his overall appearance and he should not have been acquitted. The legal system needs some serious revamping when a pot smoker can get more time than a murderer. The jury made a mistake alright.

arnmcrmn

When the 911 operator asked if he was white, hispanic or black....Zimmerman replied...I don't know....he has a hoodie on. So there goes the profiling theory you so idiotically implied out the window.

Case is over...Facts are facts. move on.

dontknowmuch

Cry us a river Mr. Jackson. The jury has spoken and for your information, one of those jurors was one of your own. As long as their is the NAACP, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the libtard media... the racial pot will be continued to be stirred well. What does Mr. Jackson have to say about the glut of black-on-black killing, especially in Chicago?

The Big Dog's back

So you justify Trayvon's murder by zim because other Blacks kill Blacks?

grumpy

There is no need to justify Martin's death. The evidence that could be PROVED showed Zimmerman to be not guilty, the jury found him to be not guilty, and the judge declared Zimmerman not guilty. When that happens it is justifiable homicide. But that is only if you agree with the laws of this country.

J Cooper

Wheres the black leadership speaking up like they did in this incident, what no political points to gain?

Mr. D

He wasn't murdered nor manslaughtered. . . It's over. . . Not Guilty. . . The Jury has spoken!!! Puppy, stop whinning!!!!

The Big Dog's back

Remember Hurricane Katrina where the Conservative media portrayed White people coming out of stores with their arms loaded as "survivors" looking for food. They called Blacks doing the same thing looters.

bama

I didn't see white people carrying a big screen TV that they couldn't have plugged in if they wanted to.

The Big Dog's back

You weren't watching then.

deertracker

The people that were effected the most were black but all of them were poor. They had nothing! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Not even water! America was and should have been so embarrassed!

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deertracker
Tue, 07/16/2013 - 7:57am

It's time to move on guys. Let it go!

herbie_hancock

haha no rebutle on the TVs? I WAS down there during the relief. Where you big dog or deertracker? Or is your source of information whatever you seen on TV?

deertracker

Enlighten us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

deertracker

Looters and refugees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

arnmcrmn

when you can't win an argument. Deflect. Big and Deer get the deflection of the year award and its only July.

bama

Where was the NAACP when OJ Walked a free man after being acquitted of the murders of Ron Goldman and Nichole Simpson? Did they file any type of civil rights complaint? We all know the answer to those two questions. Reverse the roles, Martin being the community watch volunteer and Zimmerman was the one killed. Would the NAACP have filed a civil rights case against Martin had he shot and killed Zimmerman in defense of himself and then found not guilty at trial. Speaking of which, this trial should have not even taken place at all under the law. They were pressured into making an arrest because if they had not their political careers would have been over. If they wanted to prosecute it later, they could have waited for more evidence as there is no statue of limitations on murder. They could have waited to see whether or not Zimmerman bragged about it or collected just a little bit more evidence before going to trial. Zimmerman may have done some things he probably should not have prior to the shooting but as I understand it, it was Martin not Zimmerman who initiated the contact and escalated the violence which was witnessed by another who said that Martin was standing over Zimmerman and pounding the crap out of him which was backed by the injuries that Zimmerman sustained. As far as the safety of the weapon that so many have commented on, you know just how many guns are out there that do not have a manual safety on them? Glock & Smith pistols(M&P models) to name a few. Why did Martin call his girlfriend and not the police when Martin was following him? Two things that didn't happen should have for sure. Zimmerman should have stayed in his car and Martin should have never walked up to Zimmerman and started a confrontation.

The Big Dog's back

NAACP? If the roles were reversed Martin would have tried, fried and died by now.

ladydye_5

Ok. What would the NAACP have to say if the child had been Oriental? Indian? Irish? South African (WHITE)? Brazilian? Seems they are ONLY concerned about civil rights if they are BLACK.

The Big Dog's back

There would have been an arrest. No need for NAACP.

arnmcrmn

The verdict doest see color. Nice try. Game over Big.

queenjhb

I remember seeing on tv coverage of blacks taking hair products, TV's ect.... During the coverage of Katrina on tv I saw whites taking water bottles and food. Do I think that blacks didn't take food or whites didn't loot -No. Black on Black crime is a really serious problem, Its not o.k. Its rarely addressed,Its easier to blame other races all the time, that way blacks can always blindly ignore this truth.

herbie_hancock

Don't know why you keep posting stuff you find on google or yahoo. when you do the math and fact check it most of it is wrong, thus destroying your credibility.

The Big Dog's back

That's Ok, you don't have to worry about destroying your credibility because you didn't have any to begin with.

herbie_hancock

ooooo burn...I see what you did there, you avoided my statement and turned it into a "I know you are but what am I?"...clever. But its easier to start from no credibility than to startover from destroyed credibility. Maybe thats why "the big dog is BACK".

NAAWP

The issue here is the fact that everyone is overlooking the fact that Trayvon Martin called Zimmerman a "(insert word)cracka". Where I come from, "cracka" is a derogatory term used to put down people of Caucasian descent. I find it funny that the "President of the NAACP" thinks that what he says holds any real water. Just being part of the NAACP is racist in itself. The NAACP cries fowl play any time something happens to an African American person that they do not find fit. Simply put, if an African American person is not put in the best light possible, it's a civil rights issue. We do no actually live in a world of racism, we live in a world of reverse racism. People are too scared to get the NAACP on their tails over something, that they simply give up when fighting for something in which they believe. You want to make this a civil rights case, then fine, but we must bring the Martin family into the issue to testify for their son who called a man a "cracka". Case closed.

The Big Dog's back

Where you come from the sun doesn't shine.

NAAWP

Furthermore; if this does get made into a civil rights issue, then the next time an African American assaults a Caucasian it should be a civil rights case.

NAAWP

As far as the case goes, by the way, the verdict was correct. The prosecution did not bring forth enough evidence for a guilty verdict. They we not able to prove false Mr. Zimmerman's statement that he was headed back to his car when he was attacked by Mr. Martin. Therefore; his testimony is the only that holds any value in a jurors eyes. Maybe if the prosecution called to the stand someone who didn't lie about their age of all things, the trial would have ended much differently.

mikeylikesit

I want a college fund too. the America cracker college fund.

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Centauri

If Zimmerman was black and Martin was white, would it make national news?

Why are crimes of blacks against whites hushed up?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...
"Christopher Newsom, Channon Christian Remembered, 6 Years After Horrific Torture Slaying"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focu...
"The Newsom-Christian story—an atrocity worthy of Nazis, or comparable to the cruel depredations of Japanese imperial troops—was ignored by the mainstream press. And the reason the liberal media deliberately buried this story is because the human monsters who committed this barbarous act were black, and the victims were white."

The Big Dog's back

After a jury trial, Lemaricus Davidson was sentenced to death by lethal injection and Letalvis Cobbins and George Thomas were sentenced to life in prison, Cobbins without the possibility of parole and Thomas with the possibility. Vanessa Coleman has been convicted of facilitating the crimes and sentenced to 53 years in prison, and Eric Dewayne Boyd has been convicted of federal charges as accessory after the fact to carjacking and sentenced to 18 years in prison.

grumpy

After a jury trial Zimmerman was found not guilty. Case closed. Thanks for playing.

Centauri

"Letalvis Cobbins and George Thomas were sentenced to life in prison, Cobbins without the possibility of parole and Thomas with the possibility."

http://tinyurl.com/qxju4o9

http://blackfootsoldier.wordpres...
"“While based on the evidence, this was not a carjacking, rape and the two whites involved were responsible for their own deaths (the young woman named Channon Christian reportedly shot and killed Christopher Newsom and then attempted suicide), the conviction of Letalvis and his brother Lemaricus now allow us to recognize this as a legitimate Reparation Protest, refer to Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom’s ‘killings’ as justified under that clause and demand the release of our brother into our custody,”

http://blackfootsoldiernetwork.b...
"According to white news sources, Channon Gail Christian and Hugh Christopher Newsom were a couple from Knoxville, Tennessee who were raped, tortured and murdered after being kidnapped early on the morning of January 7, 2007. Knoxville Black Foot Soldiers, however, allege the evidence from the case suggests Channon and Christopher did have prior encounters with their alleged 'carjackers'."

What I just posted is garbage and BS. It is not factual but racist. Justice should not be about race, justice should be about what is truthful. Sometimes the news media holds back on the truth.

bobshumway92

This is awesome! Love the drama and all the cry babies!

deertracker

I really don't feel that if you are not a minority, especially a black man, you just don't quite experience the same treatment. I and many other black men have been profiled. I know some of you do not believe it happens but it does. It has always been so present it is just a way of life for blacks. Problem is we are tired of it. You don't see protests when obvious criminals are jailed. You see protests when people feel there has been some type of injustice! If you want to see blacks or any other race or ethnicity act a fool, kill their children. You will have major issues and rightfully so.

Darwin's choice

And your perpetuating that exact racism. Whenever it suits your nees Mr. Sharpton....

deertracker

Just stating the facts Dagwood!

J Cooper

93% of violent crime against blacks were committed by blacks, time to face facts and take responsibility in you community and quit blaming others for your failures in providing a stable family life. The leadership needs to work on ways to better their community and not their own political agenda. Racist comes in all colors.

The Big Dog's back

Reality and right wingnuts can never be in the same sentence. Good post deertracker.

J Cooper

Lies and deceit the hallmark of the far left wackos.

I

deertracker, Thanks for reiterating what we've known for a long time...White bleeding heart liberals, like big dog, have no idea what they're talking about.

arnmcrmn

Hey deer. Maybe if you would quit looking around each corner for someone who may or may not do you wrong and automatically and neurotically think "its cause Im black isn't it".

Ive had people say horrible and untrue things about me. Ive had people stick me at my office only to see them post on FB that they are going on vacation next week. You don't see me saying......its cause Im white.

Until the excuses stop and until every time a black person is slighted or wronged that they stop using the RACE card, it will never get better. Only YOUR culture and race can fix the big issue.

deertracker

Until people like you admit there is a problem, the chances of fixing anything are slim and none. When you have lived one hour as a black person you get an opinion. Therefore, you DON'T! It is a black man's worst fear to be pulled over by a cop knowing no crime had been committed! You guys can scream race card all you want. It does not change the facts. The facts are the facts. Thousands and thousands of black men that don't even know each other can't ALL be telling the same lie. You want to trivialize the issue and that is why your words are empty!

I

deertracker, Thanks for reiterating what we've known for a long time...White bleeding heart liberals, like big dog, have no idea what they're talking about.

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BULLISDEEP

Let it rest ,remember ,just can't do it can you.

deertracker

My comment is not about the trial. It's not just a comment. It's FACT! I don't care how anyone feels about it. I know what I know!

Darwin's choice

You're racist.

deertracker

I speak the truth! Try it!

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deertracker
Tue, 07/16/2013 - 7:57am

It's time to move on guys. Let it go!

Just another thread on the same thing ,all you are doing is feeding the SR pig

grumpy

If George Zimmerman had been a black man, and everything else had been the same, we would never had heard of this case.

The Big Dog's back

That's right. Because if he was Black he would have been tried, fried, and crucified.

arnmcrmn

Facts and the Law do not see color. You lose again.

herbie_hancock

Unless he played football for the jets.

grumpy

The evidence showed that he was not guilty, so said the evidence, the jury and the judge. The piddle puppy's opinion does not matter in the real world. In piddle puppy world he is Queen. In the real world... he is laughable.

The Big Dog's back

pooh, exactly what's your interest in the case?

grumpy

Since the case is over, my main interest in it is rubbing your nose in it. Now that I have answered your question, what exactly is your interest in the case?

J Cooper

dog breath, ask you the same question, you have more posts than anyone. Taking advantage of a tragedy for political gain, who do you think you are, Jackson, Sharpton, Holder or Obama?

KnuckleDragger

Nah, he is just a trailer dwelling old fart with nothing better to do than stir up excrement.

deertracker

Do you have a problem with people that live in trailers?

KnuckleDragger

Only ignorant ones.

Mr. D

Grumpy, your last post says it all, says it best and to the point.

J Cooper

Would someone please put down the lid, dog breath seems to be drinking too much of the far left liberal wacko Kool Aide.

arnmcrmn

The local black community outraged because they do not want to accept the facts of the case.

Not Guilty....time to move on.

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