Perkins Schools offers free pizza, levy discussion

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Alissa Widman Neese
Jul 16, 2013

Citizens for Perkins Schools will host a question-and-answer session with Perkins Schools superintendent Jim Gunner at Chet and Matt's Pizza at 6 p.m. tonight.

Anyone can come and ask the group questions about the upcoming August levy vote or general questions about the district.

Chet and Matt's Pizza will provide free pizza and drinks.

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Perkins2060

You are losing many customers over this. I know you don't care now, but wait until later. After the levy has passed and the yes voters move on. The no voters will always remember. Especially come time the tax bill is due. Hmmm.... pay my tax bill or go to Ghostly Manner or Chet & Matt's??? Think we'll stay in tonight. Remember Gunner and his disciples preaching about going out to eat one less time a month to pay for this??? That's money out of YOUR pocket!

A smart business owner would stay neutral. This levy will hurt you. Gunner said so himself.

donutshopguy

My concept is the school build a base central structure with wings for specials. Example: pool, band area, technology area, gym, auditorium, art area.

A cost for the base central structure. Example: $20,000,000
A separate cost per wing. Example: Pool $ 5,000,000
Band Area $ 3,000,000
Tech Area $ 4,000,000

A levy where the community had choices is possible on the local ballot. I spoke to the board of elections and they spoke to the Secretary of State. It's legal.

This proposal allows local taxpayers the opportunity to chose what they believe is best for the children. If an area like the "pool" does not pass it won't be built at this time. This proposal takes away the dictatorial control of the school board.

Free choice is an American tradition.

I have ask Mr. Gunner for this type of breakdown. He rejected my request in a previous meeting.

My guess at this time, is the superintendent and school board will be against this freedom of choice. They have spend too much money on their grand scheme to allow this. They would have to redesign their academy. They would have to admit they are wrong. It's an ego thing.

fifteenthgreen

Makes too much sense, DSG. But many feel entitled and are impatient. They must have it now or else. This is how they themselves make bad decisions in life and get into financial trouble. I'm sick of this mentality around here.

Also, even if two new members are elected to the board and oppose a new building, they'll be outvoted three to two.

Bherrle

I saw my name in there a few minutes ago 15th. "Mr. Bherrle" was changed to "many" in the second sentence. If attacking me, or other supporters, personally needs to a part of your argument, then so be it.

I believe I've disagreed with you civilly, and haven't resorted to attacking you personally.

donutshopguy

fifteenthgreen,

You are correct. If the three remaining members of the board vote to proceed with the millage switch and build the academy the new two members can't stop them. But, I believe if the vote is not 100% in favor of that option it will not happen. There is already too much division in the community and a 3 to 2 vote would blow this place up.

My alternative allows the voting public decisions in the cost and facilities offered. The voting public will ultimately decide what type and cost of education they deem necessary to support.

Well, Bherrle, RMyer, and Strong Schools what is your opinion of this proposal?

Bherrle

DSG,

I applaud you with providing an alternative plan, and I respect your opinion, but as I have previously stated, I'm not a fan of leaving the design up to the voters in that sense, in terms of being "in pieces". Now, if there were several "full design and cost" plans put to a vote, with at least one of them being a renovation option (to be fair), then I could be in favor of that. I don't know if that is legal, and it would certainly add design and planning costs.

I general, I am of the opinion that those decisions should be the boards, that's why they were elected. In the hypothetical that 2 new board members were elected, who strongly opposed building new after having the chance to get fully up to speed, I would think it would be possible that one of the remaining three may change their mind. But that is pure speculation on my part.

donutshopguy

Bherrle,

It is the responsibility of the school board to analysis the financial needs of the school system. It is then their responsibility to present those needs to the community. A public vote is taken to see if the community agrees. It is the community's final decision if they believe the need is appropriate. That's how we do it in the state of Ohio in most cases.

fifteenthgreen

Bherrle is your blog name. I can't help that. You may not think you're "attacking" someone personally, but your "opinion" at times is insulting especially when referencing another bloggers opinion. Either way, this isn't a place for the overly sensitive.

Bherrle

The fact that I state disagreement, provide fact, and my opinion, insults people, without me personally attacking them at all. But I'm overly sensitive when you directly used my blog name to say we are inpatient and want it now? Not seeing the logic there 15th.

I've stated all along you (and anyone) are entitled to your opinions. But if you are going to post it publicly, then expect someone with an opposing view to counter it.

My neighbor just reminded me a few minutes ago, if they are attacking you personally, it means they are out of facts to argue with.

fifteenthgreen

I agree with your neighbor to a point. Somehow I touched a nerve with you but that's your problem, Bherrle. You have no attachment to tearing down something that has meaning to so many generations. You, like Gunner aren't from here. I get that. Why would you care? You didn't attend those games. Those plays. Those concerts. Those PTO fairs. Those dances. The first and last day of school. Those classes with generations of teachers and students that are no longer with us. That is my point all along. It's easy for you and Gunner to tear it down. It's personal to others. Very personal. We are beating a dead horse on here. It comes down to a simple Yes or No. If the voters decide to tear it down...tear it down.

ohioredbabe

Fifteenthgreen
"Somehow I touched a nerve with you but that's your problem Bherrle."
I think the nerve you hit was the one where you told him to go back to Pennsylvania. You want to send him away from the community he moved into just because he has a different opinion than yours. And because he did not grow up here and attend your high school. You touch a nerve with me too. I did not grow up here. Should I not have a vote? Should I pack up for my home state too? Should all of us Non Perkins Home Growns get out? Our children are in Perkins Schools and we have Pirate Pride!

Perkins2060

Yes

Bherrle

15th,

You did not touch a nerve, I'm fine. Our opinions on personal attack may vary. And, I finally get where you are coming from. I understand sentimental value, I really do. I'm not from here, yes. But I am a sentimental person. I'm the one not wanting to get rid of stuff from our kids childhood, books, toys, etc. Drives my wife crazy sometimes. If renovation made financial sense, I'd be all for keeping the buildings. I just don't think the decision should be made on sentimental value alone. I agree, let's stop here.

fifteenthgreen

Thank you for seeing my point. The thought of destroying so much history actually hurts so many including the kids. New isn't always better. I get that it will eventually have to happen but not quite sure the time is right. I knew you had it in you, Bherrle. I've said that all along to you!!!

believeit

This is a new one. Now the reason for voting down the levy is for sentimental reasons. First, this levy is for operating expenses, not new facilities. That will be decided after a new board will be elected later. Second, if you were so nostalgic and had so much pride in Perkins Schools that you feel about these things, why on earth are you happy to not only watch, but openly push, for a potential demise of the district. You have gone from not trusting the board and superintendent, to teachers make too much, to the stadium is too nice, to ... whatever.

fifteenthgreen

Kind of sounds like the way the Board and Superintendent speak, doesn't it??? Never know what to believe or what you'll hear next. "Demise" Puke! Keep drinking the kool-aid, believeit!

believeit

I am neither the superintendent (as I have openly stated that I don't agree with everything that has he has done, even if I do believe he has the district's best interests in mind) or a member of the board. And if you don't think that continued failure to pass any new monies to the district will not have a detrimental effect on the district, then the only kool-aid that is being drunk is that of the no voters by you. For someone who apparently was at least one time fond of his Perkins experience to enjoy watching it struggle is sad. As I have stated previously, regardless of what you think about Gunner, the board, the students, or even tax increases in general, the cost of operating Perkins continues to increase and will not become less expensive over time. This is true for every district in Ohio as long as the funding formula remains the same.

fifteenthgreen

The district is struggling due to the misappropriation of taxpayer funds, new stadium contributions, laptop programs, legal fees, design loans, etc... If the cost keeps rising, then why does our frivolous spending?

ohioredbabe

This is a public forum. It is a place for everyone.

Perkins2060

Waaahhhhh

underthebridge

Bherrie - Just because the discussion regarding moving the millage was done publicly does not mean that the public had any chance of impacting their decision. Frankly, their decision was already made. The BOE discussed their decision publicly. The public had no chance in impacting their decision. Frankly, the facility issue is being handled the same way.

MP

I was at those meetings- which were not well attended. The room was split. People were for and against. No one, including the former super who spoke, offered a viable solution at a lower cost to the taxpayers than the boards solution. I admire the board for finding the best solution to operating issues and building issues at the lowest cost to the taxpayers.

Perhaps if DSG had gone to those meetings instead of using this forum some real change could have been made. Not saying its too late for his plan but we certainly could be in a different mode then we are at present.

fifteenthgreen

DSG has been very active including meeting personally with folks on this blog. Please read above and you'll see that he may have possibly changed his viewpoint after those meetings. Also, I believe that he has personally discussed his plan with Gunner to no avail.

MP

You're missing my point. He did NOT go to the public meetings and present an alternate plan.

Why do people not present their ideas in a public forum as our forefathers laid out for us?

underthebridge

Why? Because the BOE had made their decision. They were not seeking input. They were seeking confirmation of their decision.

Furthermore, I've been to BOE and district meetings in which the content of the meetings went in one direction and the BOE actually said something entirely different. I went to the meetings about the stadium. In the very least it was neutral about proceeding with stadium renovation and it was actually more accurate to say that the majority of the people were against it. What did the BOE say? (More or less) "Those attending the meeting were overwhelmingly in favor of renovating the stadium." I call bull (blank).

underthebridge

I was at the meetings too.

fifteenthgreen

Sandusky Register
Annie Zelm
Perkins Twp.
Nov 1, 2011

Perkins Schools is plotting a move its board hopes will put the district in a better position for the future as it plans for a new or drastically revamped high school.

School officials will host a public hearing Wednesday about its proposal to funnel some of its tax income away from the operating fund and into the permanent improvement fund.

By moving some of that money-generating "inside millage" into permanent improvements, the district hopes to essentially set up a steady stream of funds to use for its building projects.

Transferring some millage that currently funds operating expenses would create a bigger shortfall for the general fund in the immediate future, but school officials said the move will pay off in the long run.

MP

What's your point?

donutshopguy

MP,

His point is that the decision was already made prior to the public meetings.

I agree. Been to meetings with the school board and superintendent. Also have been in private meetings with the superintendent. The decisions were already made. I suggested my proposal and it was flatly rejected by the superintendent. Didn't fit his grand scheme. Asking the public is just window dressing.

I have found that addressing my ideas in public, like this forum, has been more beneficial than spending time with people that are not open to ideas that are not their own.

MP

You are quite a contradiction DSG. You fight to preserve your public vote yet you choose not to go to public meeting to present an alternative. An alternative that the BOE was begging the community for. Instead you choose this forum to present your idea?  I'd respect you a lot more if you would be a true leader. Go to the meetings.  Voice your ideas in public. Run for the board.

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