Perkins Schools offers free pizza, levy discussion

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Alissa Widman Neese
Jul 16, 2013

 

Citizens for Perkins Schools will host a question-and-answer session with Perkins Schools superintendent Jim Gunner at Chet and Matt's Pizza at 6 p.m. tonight.

Anyone can come and ask the group questions about the upcoming August levy vote or general questions about the district.

Chet and Matt's Pizza will provide free pizza and drinks.

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Comments

observer

Now they resort to bribery? Lol

Bherrle

How in the world do you call this bribery? It is a question and answer session, and anyone is welcome.

Strong Schools ...

What??? The question and answer session was for people like you who do not have the correct information. Step away from your computer and educate yourself. Attend a board meeting or better yet set up an appointment with Dr. Gunner or a board member. "If you feed them, they will come". All they wanted were people to come to the event and receive the correct information.

Edwin Ison

Pretty sure the "bribery" comment was tongue in cheek.... uptight much?

Bherrle

If it was, then the tongue should have stayed out of the cheek.

devilsadvocate

Can I go if I don't vote on the tax levy?

Bherrle

Yes, anyone is welcome.

VOTENO

I am boycotting any business that is doing this.

ohioredbabe

I am sure your sunny disposition and amazing attitude will be greatly missed at these establishments. :)

VOTENO

Money is green.

Bherrle

VOTENO,

That's your choice. All Chet & Matt's is doing is providing a forum for anyone (for or against to levy) to be a part of a discussion and ask questions, and offering free pizza and drinks.

ohioredbabe

Voteno the grass is also green so is the corn growing in the fields. Oh and the sky is blue.

Bherrle

VOTENO,

That's your choice. All Chet & Matt's is doing is providing a forum for anyone (for or against to levy) to be a part of a discussion and ask questions, and offering free pizza and drinks.

Strong Schools ...

Darn! I plan on taking my family there due to the fact they are supportive and want the best for our community!

Tool Box

Could a tax increase supporter please explain how Gunner calculated the $730 per sport fee?

On the Q&A page on the Perkins Schools website, he provided a chart that shows $454,043 in athletic department costs. This is divided by the 622 student participants for a rate of $730 per student.

However, Gunner did not take into account the revenues that are generated by the athletic department. According to Mike Strohl's (Athletic Director) response on the Q&A forum, athletics generates revenue of $142,194. Plus $5,000 per season from the PABC.

This puts Perkins Athletics at a $296,849 annual operating loss (454,043-142,194-5,000-5,000-5,000). The $296k loss divided by the 622 participants shows a $477 fee per participant would cover the operating loss of the athletic department and also pay for the AD and assistant's salary.

Why then did Gunner and board choose to use the $730. Could it be that the $730 fee would likely have a much larger negative impact and cause more parents to vote yes to avoid the fee than a $477 fee? Nah, Gunner and Board don't use scare tactics like that!

RMyer

You must not have seen the response that was posted on the other article, or this is reposted for some other reason.

"While the district budget pays for coaches salaries and transportation costs, the athletic budget pays for most of the day-to-day expenses of running the athletic program. The figures used by Mr. Gunner and the Board reflect salaries, benefits, and transportation costs only. It is assumed that the revenue from ticket sales and donations from the PABC are needed to continue to cover the day-to-day costs of the athletic department. Listed below are all of the items that the athletic department pays for from the ticket revenue and PABC donations. None of these costs were figured in the Board expenses.
List of items purchases from the Athletic Department Budget: The annual revenue is usually very close to department expenses each school year."

Officials Equipment
Game Workers and Staff Awards and Trophies
Police Security Technology & Software
SBC League Dues Golf Course Fees
Tournament Entry Fees Hotels (state and clinics)
Uniforms Post Season Banquets
Medical Supplies Athletic Department Office Supplies
Printing Costs

So, as I understand it, the costs above are covered by ticket sales. Salaries/benefits/other costs not listed above are not covered by ticket sales and are included in the participation fee calculation making it $730.

Princess87

Correct me if I am wrong..didn't they fiqure in Strol's salary. Why don't they make Strol a principal at the high school and the AD position be a stipend. Save money

VOTENO

Because they all scratch each other's backs. They have an endless pot of taxpayers money to pull from. They don't care.

Bherrle

VOTENO,

Would you so kind as to back up your opinion with any facts? You are so very wrong. Look at the statistics on spend per student. Perkins is very responsible with it's money.

How can you even justify saying "They have an endless pot of taxpayers money to pull from. They don't care." when there has been no new money approved by the voters in 13 years?

Strong Schools ...

Perkins has been financially responsible. The records indicate the money has been spent in areas where needed. Call the treasurer and she will be happy to provide you with information. They have nothing to hide because they are making responsible financial decisions.

RMyer

Most districts I am aware of have a full-time AD at the high school. I doubt that with all of the work that goes into ensuring all goes smoothly in the scheduling, planning, and monitoring activities and scheduling could be done when combined with other principal duties. There wouldn't be enough hours in the day and asking one person to do both would result in an insane amount of hours. Perhaps getting a listing of daily and other job responsibilities of the AD and principal and talking with those individuals would help clarify for you.

Keep in mind that Perkins has a low administrative cost relative to other districts. We are not administrator overloaded.

Bherrle

RMyers explanation is right on, both here and on the other article.

akmed

Thats funny I sat in a meeting and was told it cost 300K for sports a year. And it was said that isn't enough money to consider cutting or altering sports and programs.

Bherrle

What meeting, when, where?

Strong Schools ...

What meeting was that? I did not here any of that and I would consider myself involved as a community member.

VOTENO

Cameo is much better anyway.

VOTENO

Pizza Brothers is also much better.

swimfan

I would like to know why some coaches get a full salary for coaching the boys team and a full salary for coaching the girls team while both girls and boys practice and compete together???

Imataloss

Sounds like you should go to the Q&A, get some free pizza and find out!

VOTENO

I'm taking my business elsewhere.

Bherrle

VOTENO,

Does it say anything to you that local business's are offering support for this levy (C&M's has a big sign out front)? Local business's are supporting this levy, doesn't that speak at all?

VOTENO

It says to me I will be taking my business elsewhere and I'm not the only one.

RMyer

VoteNo: I am curious. Is your stance based on issues with Perkins or something else? I have seen comments on other Register articles dealing with other school districts. You seem to have the same opinions related to other district's financial issues. Help me understand.

Bherrle

Good point & question RMyer. I'm not surprised that they were met with the resounding thud of silence.

Finn Finn

Let me break the "thud of silence" and satisfy Mr. Myer's curiosity, so as to help him "understand." Perhaps VoteNo, and others, simply can't afford to pay more taxes. Does that concept simply escape you or something? Perhaps VoteNo is offering empathy and/or support to other financially strapped taxpayers in other school districts? Are you aware that not everyone makes $55,000+ a year? Are you aware that not everyone gets yearly 3-4% raises in their salary? Some people are struggling to live on 25, 30, 35,000 / year. They have cut corners, they don't take vacations, they have old cars, old phones, old T.V.'s, and are still struggling. You "yes" folks need to step out of your comfortable "able to pay the bills" lives and look at those who are (far) less fortunate. Frankly, I believe a lot of people, particularly those who are struggling financially, look at you "yes" people and see a bunch of spoiled, self-centered brats.

Mr. Myer can obsessively post page after page of commentary about property values, "overworked" AD's and principals, school ratings and township tax rates. I can only ask Mr. Myer - what part of "can't afford new taxes" do you not understand?

Imataloss

Voting no, doesn't make it any better, it will just make it worse. Eventually, the levy will pass or the State will take over and the state taking over doesn't necessarily mean cheaper. Passing the levy now results in lower millage and taking advantage of the rollback that will expire.

RMyer

I absolutely get that there are people struggling; everyone will have to vote based on his or her family situation. That is the true for any levy vote (senior services, parks, fire, police/township, library, schools etc.). I support this levy and school district plan because it is the lowest cost option. The district has gone 18 years with just 2.9 mills in additional money in 2000. We have been fortunate that our district has been able to do that.
As for being "spoiled": my truck is 11 years old, van is 5 years old, cell flip-phone at least 5 years old, one vacation in the past six years, household income down from two years ago, child in college, one in the high school. I understand . . . that is why we need to pass the levy now, before it gets more expensive.

Finn Finn

No, you don't get that people are struggling. You can afford the increase in your taxes, right? Some people can't, understand? Your household income, which you claim is down from two years ago, is no doubt still more than some school district households will EVER bring in. You don't get it. Another tax expense, particularly one this size, will cause tremendous hardship for some folks. Do you think the school will be the ONLY tax increase in the next few years? Everyone is asking for more money. Further, EVERYTHING gets more expensive as time goes by. That doesn't mean we need to pass every levy the school puts on the ballot just because teachers, members of the school board and the superintendent CAN AFFORD an increase in their taxes. The "lowest cost option" for a lot of folks, school teacher, is no new taxes!

Laughing

Yet they can afford a newspaper and internet subscription.

Finn Finn

You should think before you attempt to make smart aleck comments. Anyone can log onto the Internet for free at a public library. Stop trying to "one up" for God's sake. Some people simply can't afford a tax increase. It's not exaggeration, it's not selfishness. It's simply the facts for some people.

Laughing

Hahaha, good try. Don't you notice it's the same people over and over blogging? Look at the times and days of their blogs. That's a lot of driving from Perkins Township to a library. I guess they open early and stay open late for the bloggers. What a joke.

Strong Schools ...

Why don't you take your business out of Sandusky then! There are a lot of businesses that support the schools.

Laughing

Pretty sure Chet and Matt's will be just fine without your business. Doubt they'll be closing down anytime soon. Get a life.

Bherrle

Swimfan,

I have posted your question at http://www.perkins.k12.oh.us/Lev..., for the Athletic Director or Super to respond to.. I'll also post the answer here when they respond.

Bherrle

Swimfan,

The negotiated agreement with the Perkins Education Association (teacher’s union) dictates how supplemental coaching contracts are to be paid. The contract calls for a separate coaching contract for a boys sport and a girls sport. So…for the sport in question (Swimming) the coach is entitled to both contracts as he is taking on the responsibility for both teams. Any change to this current status would require negotiation with the local teachers’ union.

ohioredbabe

Thank you Chet and Matt's for your service to the Perkins Community! You are appreciated! And your pizza is loved by many!

bobshumway92

Well, I was going to get two large pizzas there tonight for takeout like I always do but I will now drive around to see which pizza establishments are staying neutral in this. First one I see without a ridiculous yes for the students or whatever kind of levy sign in their window will get my business now and after the vote.

Imataloss

Guess you will be driving around in Sandusky then...a lot of Perkins businesses (who will foot 50% of the tax increases) are FOR this levy. They understand the value of a strong school and the economic impact it has on their businesses. Decreased property values does not build business.

donutshopguy

Imataloss,

Not sure I can name any other food establishment that has taken a positive or negative stance on this levy. Could you list those establishments ?

When your business survives on the general public it's not in their best interest to take sides on a controversial issue. The last levy lost by 65% of the vote. Alienating that many people is not a health business practice.

Common Sense

Donut Shop Guy,
Perkins Restaurant on Route 250. Also, there are signs in Sandusky supporting our levy.

bnjjad

Your choice obviously, but go right ahead and hurt local businesses who, you know, help pay taxes and bring in money to the district. (money that could be used to prevent any future increases)

Vote Informed

I'm glad to see businesses putting out signs to support the children of our township. It shows how much people in our community care about each other and our children. My family and I enjoyed some delicious pizza tonight! Happy to see that the businesses of our area care as much as us parents do!!

Bherrle

Bob,

You do realize how transparent that threat is, don't you? No matter, Chet & Matts has gained my families business, and that of others, so no harm.

bobshumway92

What threat? No one is making threats. Keep spinning. You all are great at it

Strong Schools ...

Oh Bobby, You are the best spinner of all! Support the students in August, then go to Chet and Matts for some pizza!

bnjjad

I was looking at moving into the Perkins District (no kids either) however all of this fighting and hostility has given me pause on building my new home here. I think I will look elsewhere first. (it has nothing to do with potential tax increases though)

Not sure I want to be part of a community that boycotts local businesses because of their opinion and generosity. I wonder if they would boycott their own family or friends if they were against them.

bobshumway92

Good. Build in Sandusky.

bnjjad

Perfect reason!

VOTENO

See ya

ohioredbabe

I am so sorry bnjjad. Please realize that a lot of the nay sayers and hostile grumpy people on these blogs do not show a good representation of the Perkins Community. The hostile grumpies are just really upset now that we are blogging the facts back at them and not allowing them to have this forum to themselves. I can certainly understand your rethinking whether to build in Perkins. Your post speaks volumes. Thank you for posting your thoughts. Maybe it will make some people think. I hope it does.

donutshopguy

Ohioredbabe,

So I'm hostile grumpy ? Interesting.

Ask RMyer and Bherrle if that derogatory term fits me.

I don't trust Mr. Gunner . I don't believe the present funding method of moving millage and eliminating public vote is the best long range solution to our building problems .

People don't agree with you so they are hostile? So should I conclude that pro levy supporters resort to name to promote their ideas ? Sure makes me wonder about the leaders of the movement.....the school board.

ohioredbabe

I said a lot. I did not say everyone. And I was not referring to you. I respect you and your opinion. I think we all need to keep in mind that tone and context can get lost in the keystrokes of a blog. I am glad you and Bherrle had a good talk yesterday. He enjoyed his time with you. Bherrle and I have been very close for 20 years now. Oh and I am not a leader. Just a highly concerned citizen neighbor and mother of two here in Perkins.

donutshopguy

Ohioredbabe,

With the basic information you just posted you must have lived in Pennsylvania a few years ago. Bherrle lived in PA up to a couple years ago.

There is difference between OH and PA with schools . In Ohio we have the right to vote on all school requests for money. The school board must put before the voters a levy to cover whatever cost they wish to spend. In PA they have given up that right to their elected officials.

With the present move of millage, after a building levy was soundly defeated , a large portion of the voting public believes this moved to be an end run around the existing voting process. Some of us don't approve of this tactic.

If you allow this process to transpire how can you prevent other infringements of your voting rights?

Maybe you don't care but I do for the sake other children and grandchildren.

ohioredbabe

I care very much. This whole situation is soooo stressful.

Bherrle

bnjjad,

Having moved here two years ago, I had no idea about the divisiveness and hostility that existed. It has shocked me and my wife. However, we are still glad we moved here.

There are many reasonable people in the district, who no matter their vote, yes or no, would not boycott a business for supporting the school district it does business in.

Strong Schools ...

bnjjad,

I moved my family to Perkins because of the schools. The negative bloggers have had these blogs all to themselves for a long time and the positive people are tired of the negativity and misinformation. We are standing up for our children and quite frankly our community. Our schools are the community and we need to make sure our students are supported. I am sorry to hear that you are putting your house on hold. There are a lot of people in our community with Perkins pride.

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GhostlyManor

We're supporting the levy. Although we may not agree with all the decisions made in the last few years our priority has always been our family. We have 2 children educated in the Perkins school system that have chosen to come back from college and raise their families here. We have 5 grandchildren and 1 more on the way that will be sure to benefit from that same system. Obviously our decision to support the levy is probably simpler than the rest of you for the 6 reasons above.

We all have a right to voice our concerns but it's disappointing to see some on these blogs feel so strongly about this levy that they choose not to support local businesses who support the levy. I guess they can add one more to their list.

bobshumway92

Added.

Bherrle

Kuddos to you Ghostly Manor, and thank you!

ohioredbabe

Thank you Ghostly Manor! Your commitment to your community and family is awesome! Your are greatly appreciated.

Strong Schools ...

Thank you Ghostly Manor for supporting the levy. Our family enjoys your establishment and will continue to do so. It is great that you have publicly supported our children!

RMyer

Ghostly Manor: Thank you for your comments. I applaud and appreciate your decision to make your stance known. A strong school system attracts people to the township. I am glad your children were able to return to raise their own kids here.

Also, thank you to other area businesses that support the school district.

Keep Focused

Thanks Chet & Matts. You guys are awesome!!!

Keep Focused

Ghostly Manor - you guys are awesome also!!!

True Blue

Charging students to play sports, having pizza parties, and having kids do a man's job. Perkins has kids going door to door for the levy. Why don't these parents that want all of us to pay for their kids to play sports go door to door. I'm tried of hearing how the value of houses will go up. Nobody will buy because our taxes will be to HIGH!! Of course, they don't you to think about that. Vote NO!!

Vote Informed

The tax increase would be to save the 14 jobs that are on the line and keep your house's value from going down. No parent wants to pay $730/sport for their children and many parents including myself have told my children that they will have to limit themselves on sports and extra curriculars. No child wants to pick and choose from a list of so many of their favorite activities. If home-buyers are so concerned about tax rates, then why do houses sell in Sandusky? Their taxes are twice as high as ours in Perkins Township. If your house is valued at $100,000 you would pay about $20 more a month. As of now, Perkins Township has the lowest taxes in all of Erie County, and they'll still be lower than a lot of school districts when this levy passes.

As for parents "not going door-to-door," you're wrong. I, along with many of my friends (also parents) went door-to-door in the pouring rain. That just shows how determined we are to get this levy passed. You are correct that students have been going door-to-door, because they are just as determined as we parents are. I'm happy to see the amount of students getting involved!! Vote YES!!

bobshumway92

Don't knock on my door.

Vote Informed

Since you wish not to be disturbed, here's the levy website that has the information on it that would be handed to you in your door. perkinslevy.com/

Strong Schools ...

The state average in Ohio is 35 mils
Perkins = 21.6 mils
14 mils less than the state average in Ohio. We are still lower than the state average and some of the schools in Erie County.
Vote yes and support the students and keep the value of your property.

RMyer

We are living in a township with one of the lowest school tax rates in the area if not the lowest. When this levy passes, we will still have one of the lowest tax rates. People will still want to move here. Ask a realtor about the relationship between school districts and demand for housing as people shop around for a place to build or buy.

From a masters research project in Georgia: Quality Schools Do Affect Property Values

In our research, we used the website SchoolDigger.com which uses a 5-star rating system based on a number of different factors including enrollment, student/teacher ratios and test scores. What we found was that properties near schools with a rating of 4 or 5 stars were almost completely insulated from declining values while those near schools with 1-3 stars experienced massive losses in value over that 3 year period.

From the Wall Street Journal: When Florida rolled out its statewide grading system in 1999, the real estate market took note. According to research by David Figlio, who is now a professor of education, social policy and economics at Northwestern University, an A-rated school in Gainesville added about $10,000 to the value of a home there versus a B school.

From the same article: Once a school is graded, the gap often grows. Strong ratings lead to better community support, which in turn leads to better schools. Today, the difference between an A school and B school might easily be $50,000 on a $300,000 house, he says.

That phenomenon isn't lost on residents of Bellevue, Wash., a Seattle suburb that is home to some of the best schools in the state. "I don't think there's ever been a school levy on the ballot here that's been turned down," says broker Michael Orbino. Even residents who don't have school-age children tend to stand behind the schools. It's not altruism; it's economics. All things being equal, homes in the Bellevue school district fetch as much as a 15% premium to those just outside of it, he says.

lifetimeresident

My only problem with the levy is, i've heard from quite a few reliable people that Mr. Gunner said he will build the new school with or without the support of the community. I think that is wrong. If we vote YES, will some of the money be used for a new school behind our backs?

Bherrle

lifetime,

I feel it best that Dr. Gunner or the board answer this question directly, and I have posted it on the Levy Q&A website at http://www.perkins.k12.oh.us/Lev...

lifetimeresident

Thank You. I keep trying to convince voters but its falling on deaf ears. Trust is a big issue. And most have lost it.

Bherrle

lifetime,

I received the below answer earlier today, sorry, I have been too busy till tonight to be on the blog. I believe something very similar to this is being offered to the Sandusky Register to print. I have spent time with Dr. Gunner and some of the board members during the past month. I find them to be very consistent in their message, and credible.

No. This levy is an operational levy to support the day-to-day operations of the school district. None of this money will be used for a new facility.

The Board of Education had previously set aside the “Inside Millage” for facility renovations and/or new construction. They have announced numerous times they will not move forward with a major construction project unless the following criteria is met:

1. They will wait until after the November election of new Board members. Dr. Printy and Mr. Chapman are running for reelection. Should the community feel strongly enough about reversing course on the facility issue, the Board election in November will give the community an opportunity to elect new board members who support this view.

2. The financial forecast must show that no new operating levies will be needed for the next three years.

3. The Board elected in November will reexamine the facility needs of the district and make a decision on how to move forward.

As far as any comments attributed to Mr. Gunner regarding the construction of a new facility, Mr. Gunner has stated the following repeatedly:

First, the Board makes the decision on whether to move forward with construction of new facilities, not Mr. Gunner. He can recommend, but does not have the authority to proceed without a formal Board resolution and public vote of the Board.

He has repeatedly made the comment that the facilities in Perkins need to be addressed soon; the structural integrity, safety and health issues inherent in especially the high school cannot be ignored.

He has never indicated he would build a facility with or without the support of the community. While he believes strongly in the need for new facilities, the final decision is not his. Again, he does not have the authority to build a new facility, only the Board of Education has this authority.

lifetimeresident

Thank You for getting back with me. This said, what happens if the November levy fails and he moves the inside millage money again? Can we keep him from doing this.

Bherrle

Lifetime,

There is no more millage to move. The only millage that the board had any flexibility with was the 5.2 mills they moved. This was the original millage given to Perkins Schools by the state way back when the public school funding system was created. There is no other millage they can move. It is illegal to move "voted" millage.

citizen

If you vote yes, the money will be used to replace operating funds that Gunner and Board removed from operations and to educate the district's children into a permanent improvement fund to build Gunner's new school.

Perkins taxpayers twice rejected raising taxes to build Gunner's new facilities and buildings, so Gunner and Board decided that these new buildings were more important than the 14 teachers being laid off and other massive cuts... and moved operating funds even though taxpayers twice rejected this.

lifetimeresident

I dont like anyone loosing a job. What do these teachers think of the board and super. Not just the ones that lost their job.

ohioredbabe

Lifetimeresident I know several teachers. I will ask them your question and get back to you with their exact answers tomorrow evening.

ohioredbabe

Lifetimeresident I know several teachers. I will ask them your question and get back to you with their exact answers later this evening.

citizen

I cannot imagine that the faculty have much respect for a superintendent and Board that determine that new buildings and facilites were more important than providing the education and athletics/music/arts etc to the district's students that Perkins is known for.... particularly after 2 taxpayer votes rejected this and Gunner and Board did as they wanted regardless.

Gunner's new building>>> 14 teachers and athletics for the students

Perkins2060

You don't believe it? Just look at the teachers and union figures posting on here. They are kneeling at the altar of Gunner. They are in love with the guy. It is pretty disgusting how the teachers union just folded in this. Makes you wonder who is getting what behind the scenes.

Pirate Mom

How sad, 2060, that as we get closer to Aug. 6 and you see and feel the positivity for our children, our future, you panic and respond with nasty accusations at our teachers. I'm sure there are some teachers that believe and trust in the board and supt. and some that don't. If they support this levy I'm sure they are more informed than most of us. Teachers don't go into this profession to get rich, that's for sure! They care about our kids. Your dark accusations just prove that you are running scared. I choose to get positive energy from your nervous nastiness. VOTE YES AUGUST 6.

Bherrle

Taxpayers only rejected one building levy. November 2010. The May 2013 levy was an operating levy.

Strong Schools ...

"I’ve heard from quite a few reliable people that Mr. Gunner said he will build the new school with or without the support of the community. I think that is wrong. If we vote YES, will some of the money be used for a new school behind our backs?"

Answer:

No. This levy is an operational levy to support the day-to-day operations of the school district. None of this money will be used for a new facility.

The Board of Education had previously set aside the “Inside Millage” for facility renovations and/or new construction. They have announced numerous times they will not move forward with a major construction project unless the following criteria is met:

1. They will wait until after the November election of new Board members. Dr. Printy and Mr. Chapman are running for reelection. Should the community feel strongly enough about reversing course on the facility issue, the Board election in November will give the community an opportunity to elect new board members who support this view.

2. The financial forecast must show that no new operating levies will be needed for the next three years.

3. The Board elected in November will reexamine the facility needs of the district and make a decision on how to move forward.

As far as any comments attributed to Mr. Gunner regarding the construction of a new facility, Mr. Gunner has stated the following repeatedly:

1. First, the Board makes the decision on whether to move forward with construction of new facilities, not Mr. Gunner. He can recommend, but does not have the authority to proceed without a formal Board resolution and public vote of the Board.

2. He has repeatedly made the comment that the facilities in Perkins need to be addressed soon; the structural integrity, safety and health issues inherent in especially the high school cannot be ignored.

3. He has never indicated he would build a facility with or without the support of the community. While he believes strongly in the need for new facilities, the final decision is not his. Again, he does not have the authority to build a new facility, only the Board of Education has this authority.

fifteenthgreen

If none of this money is for operations, then where will they get the money from for a new school? Also, despite what you think, the sup always runs the ship!

devilsadvocate

Remember the strike?

Pirate Mom

Of course we remember the strike. This community is still recovering from the damage done by many parties back then. Name calling and ugly words won't help. Can we agree to tell the truth and vote the way our hearts and wallets tell us? I'll be voting yes on August 6.

Strong Schools ...

Move on! Vote yes in August!

fifteenthgreen

Don't forget. Same people. Same feelings of entitlement. Public figures and employees all too often forget who they work for! The taxpayers.

donutshopguy

Pirate Mom,

Wow! In the last 20 posts the pro levy people have called anyone against the levy hostile, grumpy and nervous nastiness .

That's the way to win over voters....not. I take offense to those comments.

Well, Bherrle and RMyer do I fit these descriptions provided by your pro levy supporters ?

Rise above the pettiness.

Bherrle

DSG,

I haven't read all the comments, but from what I have read it is the comments that are being made that are being called those things. If both sides would stick to facts, rather than inuendo, rumor, and personal attacks, the discussion would be much more fruitful. I see many no voters on here leading with personal attack, incorrect information, or just plain negativity.

As for you DSG, no, I do not believe you fit that description. We disagree on some things, but you have stuck to facts and your educated opinion. And we agree on some things. I know your vote is a "NO" right now, and I don't presume, but I suspect it could be changed with the right case was stated.

As for winning over the "No Voters" on this blog, I don't believe the votes of those who are blogging against the levy/admin can be changed. Especially those going very negative. There are some bloggers who seem to be undecided, or who are currently no but could be swayed. My goal is to provide fact, and a positive opinion to those who are reading but not posting, and to those who do post but don't have a firm vote cast yet. I suspect there are a number of undecided's who read but do not post.

jwt

I agree that there are many undecided voters who do not post here. I am normally one of them. I would like for the levy to pass, but the $25/month increase in taxes is a big hurdle for me with my limited income.

fifteenthgreen

It will eventually lead to more jwt. They are saying this is strictly for operations. If so, and our schools are in as bad of shape as they say, who do you think is going to fund their dream school? More taxes and levy attempts.

Pirate Mom

DSG,

I certainly was not speaking to you. I quote, "You don't believe it? Just look at the teachers and union figures posting on here. They are kneeling at the altar of Gunner. They are in love with the guy. It is pretty disgusting how the teachers union just folded in this. Makes you wonder who is getting what behind the scenes." I was referring to the negativity from Perkins2060. As I said in my last post, I am getting positive energy from his nervous nastiness. His comment stands as does mine. VOTE YES ON AUGUST 6.

RMyer

DSG-I met with you and have an understanding of where you are coming from. I do respectfully disagree with your philosophy as you disagree with mine. That's fine; we can at least agree to disagree on a civil level.

I am disappointed that other commenters on here continue to repost misinformation even after that information has been corrected. It would seem at that point that the reposting is not for purposes for a civil discussion but only to stir the pot. I am also disappointed that a number of commenters have not attended board meetings or volunteered to serve on committees over the past 7-9 years. I have attended probably 85% or better of the board meetings over the past decade and have volunteered time on committees in the planning process of which residents have been invited/encouraged to be a part of all along the way. At this point, I can probably tell you in advance who will be at any given board meeting. I also am aware that board members rarely are contacted about macro school issues. Additionally, anonymous postings allow folks to keep secret various agendas. When I see some commenters posting on other district levy articles who also comment on Perkins articles, I have to wonder what's going on.

Recent commenters have suggested that I, as a teacher, have not formed my opinion based in a logical manner but rather for some other follow the leader reason. I speak for myself only and certainly receive no "behind the scenes" benefit. I have spent a lot of time educating myself and been educated by others on the workings of the district and state funding. I have also tried to apply my business background to the issues. If I thought the current plan was not the best economic option for taxpayers (I am one of those, too), I would say so. My stakes in this issue: resident/parent/taxpayer/property owner/staff member and believe it my responsibility as each of those to express my opinion. I also plan to remain in this community for some time to come, so that factors in as well.

I do know, the longer we wait to address the financial issues, the more expensive it will be, and I am not in favor of that. Thirteen years is a long time between successful levies (and the effective collection rate of those 2.9 mills is somewhat less than that now). Meanwhile, the state continues to choke off funding to public districts.

The question residents must answer regarding the board members is do we think these folks who volunteered to run for office to take stewardship of the facilities and educational programs did so out of the desire to improve our district or for some other reason? Having attended many meetings and spoken to board members myself, I believe the former. On other issues, if I disagree, I will say so, and I will do so civilly and with alternative options if I think better exist.

I hope that after the dust settles on this issue that I will see more residents at board meetings or at least staying in contact with board members.

donutshopguy

RMyer,

Are you saying your are against the misinformation provided by both sides on this vote?

I believe you are but don't want to put words in your mouth.

Been through a state takeover. It's not as
cataclysmic as those with an agenda wish you to believe .

Scare tactics can come back to bite those using that method. Credibility is an issue.

Bherrle

DSG,

If the state takes over, doesn't the state (not the voters) get to determine the millage rate? I am asking that believing it to be true but not 100% certain.

I don't want any misinformation out there from anyone, on either side.

True Blue

Bherrle, If you have all the facts, why did your pal, Mr. Gunner, move the inside milage? You had the football stadium built, because all of you were sure the people of this township would vote for your campus. Well, you were wrong. This BOE and Mr. Gunner will not stop. If this levy passes, the BOE will think they can do this again and again. Just threatened the parents with paying for their kids sports. Pay for sports = More foreclosures.

Bherrle

True Blue,

I never said I have all facts. I share them once I learn them and become comfortable with them. The BOE moved the inside millage, not Dr. Gunner, and the question as to why has been answered numerous times. Something had to be done to ensure funds would be available to deal with facility issues, after the taxpayers rejected funding new facilities with a levy in November 2010. That was the cheapest option available, and longterm, it was a very good financial decision for the district.

I had nothing to do with the stadium being built, but had I been involved at that point, I would have been for it. I see it as a very good decision as I have explained several times during the past few weeks.

You are right, the BOE won't stop trying to address the facilities and funding issues, because that is their job. To ignore them would be irresponsible. I don't agree with characterization of "threats." Please share with us all a better plan that costs the taxpayers less, and properly deals with the facilities issues. Give us a detailed plan, please.

Strong Schools ...

Thank you Bherrle for all of your factual information! I know you are a supportive community member and father an want what is best for the students of this district. I appreciate all of your hard work you have put into educating the public. Vote yes in August and support the students!

observer

Bherrle....do you not WORK? It seems you're on here 24/7 posting on every school thread they have! IMHO, you're wasting your time, if not actually harming your cause! You haven't changed anyone's mind that I know of, and badmouthing LIFELONG residents of Perkins, while you yourself have only lived here two years, isn't winning you any friends. Can you not find another way to spend your day? Perhaps you should use all the time you're wasting promoting Mr. Gunner into looking for a job!

Pirate Mom

No badmouthing. Just stating facts. You seem nervous...

Bherrle

Observer,

I have previously stated several weeks ago that I am in between jobs. Thank you for your concern. Rest assured, I spend plenty of time on that cause.

I don't believe I've badmouthed anyone, that is not my intent. If I am responding to someone who is attacking me, then yes, I may get somewhat defensive. I'm not trying to make friends.

Believe me, the last thing I want to do is be on these blogs, but there are just too many people who are posting negative opinion, making it sound like fact, posting outright misinformation, making mean spirited comments, and in some cases, making wild accusations. I can't stay silent and allow that to go unchecked.

Everyone's vote is their choice. I'm just trying to get the facts out there, and discount the rumor, misinformation (from either side of the issue), and negative attacks on the current BOE and Super that are not factually based.

Strong Schools ...

Observer...Why are you being so harsh? You are sounding very nervous and trying to use hurtful words. Not appropriate or needed!

Perkins2060

Merge with Sandusky now! We have all their kids open enrolled here anyhow! Keep Sanders as the super!

ohioredbabe

You do realize your taxes will go up if we merge with Sandusky right?

believeit

And you think merging with Sandusky will solve all problems? They (and the vast majority of districts in the state) are going through the same problems as Perkins, including laying off teachers and trying to get a handle on facilities issues. One main difference (and I applaud them for this), they are able to pass their levies. Neither Gunner or Sanders are going to around for very long compared to the districts themselves, therefore don't vote on the basis of superintendent. Vote instead on what you think a strong school system means to your community, wherever you may live.

Perkins2060

Merge and get rid of duplicate positions. HUGE cost savings!

Bherrle

OK Perkins2060,

Detail for us all of these cost savings, let's see the numbers.

Remember,the new Perkins total millage rate of 35.2 (if the August levy passes) would instead go up to the Sandusky total rate of 42.1 if we merged. I don't think very many Perkins residents would be happy with that.

Edwin Ison

Strong Schools ...
THU, 07/18/2013 - 12:19AM
The state average in Ohio is 35 mils
Perkins = 21.6 mils
14 mils less than the state average in Ohio. We are still lower than the state average and some of the schools in Erie County.
Vote yes and support the students and keep the value of your property.

Seems to be some misinformation here.....

Rosa

I am so with you, they really need to merge and have one great school in Sandusky!! Why are so many Perkins people so biased??!!

Centauri

Are the laws of Ohio being followed in promotion of the school levy?

3517.092 Solicitation of political contributions from public employees by appointing authorities.

(D)

(1) No public employee shall solicit a contribution from any person while the public employee is performing the public employee's official duties or in those areas of a public building where official business is transacted or conducted.

(2) No person shall solicit a contribution from any public employee while the public employee is performing the public employee's official duties or is in those areas of a public building where official business is transacted or conducted.

Where is the money for promoting the school tax levy coming from? Are there any tax payer funds being used to promote the levy? A good example would be a school news letter sent to residents of the school district.

Also I have seen several comments that a school levy has not passed since the year 2000. How many times has the school levy failed in 13 years? How about some thorough and honest answers. No holding back on the truth.

http://thurbersthoughts.blogspot...

Perkins2060

Merge and save millions!

Bherrle

OK Perkins2060,

Detail for us all of these cost savings, let's see the numbers.

Remember,the new Perkins total millage rate of 35.2 (if the August levy passes) would instead go up to the Sandusky total rate of 42.1 if we merged. I don't think very many Perkins residents would be happy with that.

True Blue

I just heard the coaches are telling the kids if they don't go out and push for the levy, THEY WON'T BE PLAYING SPORTS THIS NEXT YEAR! See, they'll do anything to get their levy passed.

Perkins2060

It's going to pass. Too many parents are on board because they can't afford the "pay to play" threat from Gunner and his disciples. This was a good move by this guy. He knew right where to strike and he did it. Just like Klamar and the police levy (which I voted for). Gunner and his disciples took this right out of the play book. Skipped right over bussing and went after sports. Not the kind of guy I want leading our district. He sure stirred up the hornets nest with his little ploy. Gotta give him that.

What these parents don't realize is they will pay more in the long run with the extra taxes than they would the pay to play fees.

Our district is a joke and I can't wait till the operating levies fail that will be on the ballot every 3 months until they pass. This will go on and on and on.

Strong Schools ...

Perkins 2060,

We have no sidewalks! Do you really want to make the young children walk to school with no safe route? That is very irresponsible of you to post that and you have to start thinking beyond yourself.

Perkins has tried to pass a levy multiple times. Our district is not a joke and it is cheaper to pass this levy NOW than to fail it and wait for the next round of state cuts. It will cost us more in the future if this does not pass. Support the students and vote yes!

Rosa

And that definitely is a threat!!

jwt

"What these parents don't realize is they will pay more in the long run with the extra taxes than they would the pay to play fees."
?$300/yr on $150,000 home vs $730/yr pay to play?

Bherrle

Where are you hearing this from, who is stating that (where did you hear it), what exactly was said, and what coaches are involved?

If it is true exactly as you state, then it is outright wrong for that to be happening, but I have a hard time believe it is true. Please prove it.

Perkins2060

Also watch the raises after the levy. Remember the Board of Health?

Pirate Mom

VOTE YES ON AUGUST 6.

Perkins2060

ALREADY VOTED NO. SORRY.

Strong Schools ...

There will be no raises. Now you are just throwing anything out on this blog to keep the arguments going. Stop!

True Blue

I wish I could remember every time a levy was on the ballot for Perkins Schools. I've lived here for quite a few years and they'd have a levy on the ballot every time the polls were open. They'd tell you one thing and use the money for something else. Lies and deception. Even then, Perkins wanted to be the bestest school in the state. I'm not talking about education either. Maybe someone else will remember all the lies and crap they fed us.

Bherrle

I don't know how far back you are going, but there have only been two levies on the ballot in the recent past. The building levy of November 2010, and the operating levy of May 2013. The August levy is the third.

How far back are you going?

Centauri

Is tax money being used to promote the levy?

http://mediatrackers.org/ohio/20...
"Upper Arlington City School District administrators may have illegally used taxpayer resources to aid a November 2012 levy campaign"

http://www.dispatch.com/content/...
"State law forbids school districts from spending taxpayer money to support or oppose a tax request, but it allows them to use public resources to communicate information about “plans, policies and operations.”

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n...
"
A video produced by Vandalia-Butler City Schools in advance of Tuesday’s levy vote has members of an anti-levy group questioning whether it pushes the envelope on laws prohibiting the use of tax money on political campaign materials"

The question is: Is tax money being used to promote the school levy? Where is the money coming from?

Pirate Mom

Please contact Terry Chapman through the board offices and you can find out where all the money for this levy is coming from. Lots of parents, businesses, and teachers have donated to ensure the truth is out there and people vote with their heads, not lies. It is illegal for the schools' tax revenue to pay for a levy.

Centauri

I need to see acceptable legal public records to back up any spoken words.

Strong Schools ...

None of the money being used for the levy comes form the schools. All of the money is donated for the levy by community members and businesses. Terry Chapman is n charge of keeping the levy account.

donutshopguy

Just got finished reading the letter to the editor in today's Sandusky Register from the Perkins Board of Education.

As I told RMyer and Bherrle in our personal conversations that I had no problem with supporting operating levies for the school system. I had some misgivings about this operational levy being a building levy in disguise.

I would like to thank the school board for putting in writing that this will not happen.
I will trust you. I will be voting "yes" for this operating levy.

I would like to be involved in the discussions on the funding of any future buildings.

samantha

You are a good man DSG. I hope others will follow you.

Perkins2060

Yes, because if you vote no you are a bad man. What happens with the inside millage money???

Bherrle

Your words Perkins2060, not ours. After meeting him and speaking with him in person, I considered him a good man, no matter his vote. I am glad to see he has changed his mind after careful consideration, but the fact that he changed does not make him a good man.

The fact that you have already Voted NO does not make you a bad man.

fifteenthgreen

DSG - What about those sewage, asbestos and electrical safety issues at the high school? We going to ignore those now since the BOE has promised that this levy is for operations in their letter to the editor. I thought these issues were urgent! Is my child safe or not?

Strong Schools ...

Thank you DSG!

Strong Schools ...

I am sure they would like to have you apart of the discussions as well! That is all they want. People to attend the meetings and voice their ideas in a respectful manner.

samiam

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donutshopguy

I am a good man until someone lies to me. I will be watching and evaluating the process taken with the new building.

I believe I have an alternative proposal to funding that allows public vote and public decision making. I didn't say cheaper but what they build will be decided on by the voting public not just the school board.

Time will tell.

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