Zimmerman cleared in shooting of Trayvon Martin

Neighborhood watch volunteer could have been convicted of second-degree murder or manslaughter
Associated Press
Jul 14, 2013

 

Neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman was cleared of all charges Saturday in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teenager whose killing unleashed furious debate across the U.S. over racial profiling, self-defense and equal justice.

Zimmerman, 29, blinked and barely smiled when the verdict was announced. He could have been convicted of second-degree murder or manslaughter. But the jury of six women, all but one of them white, reached a verdict of not guilty after deliberating well into the night. Their names have not been made public, and they declined to speak to the media.

Martin's mother and father were not in the courtroom when the verdict was read; supporters of his family who had gathered outside yelled "No! No!" upon learning of the not guilty verdict.

The teen's father, Tracy, reacted on Twitter: "Even though I am broken hearted my faith is unshattered I WILL ALWAYS LOVE MY BABY TRAY."

His mother also said on Twitter that she appreciated the prayers from supporters.

"Lord during my darkest hour I lean on you. You are all that I have," she wrote.

The jurors considered nearly three weeks of often wildly conflicting testimony over who was the aggressor on the rainy night the 17-year-old was shot while walking through the gated townhouse community where he was staying.

Defense attorneys said the case was classic self-defense, claiming Martin knocked Zimmerman down and was slamming the older man's head against the concrete sidewalk when Zimmerman fired his gun.

"We're ecstatic with the results," defense attorney Mark O'Mara after the verdict. "George Zimmerman was never guilty of anything except protecting himself in self-defense."

Another member of his defense team, Don West, said he was pleased the jury "kept this tragedy from becoming a travesty."

Prosecutors called Zimmerman a liar and portrayed him was a "wannabe cop" vigilante who had grown frustrated by break-ins in his neighborhood committed primarily by young black men. Zimmerman assumed Martin was up to no good and took the law into his own hands, prosecutors said.

State Attorney Angela Corey said after the verdict that she believed second-degree murder was the appropriate charge because Zimmerman's mindset "fit the bill of second-degree murder."

"We charged what we believed we could prove," Corey said.

As the verdict drew near, police and city leaders in the Orlando suburb of Sanford and other parts of Florida said they were taking precautions against the possibility of mass protests or unrest in the event of an acquittal.

"There is no party in this case who wants to see any violence," Seminole County Sheriff Don Eslinger said immediately after jurors began deliberating. "We have an expectation upon this announcement that our community will continue to act peacefully."

O'Mara, Zimmerman's attorney, said his client is aware he has to be cautious and protective of his safety.

"There still is a fringe element that wants revenge," O'Mara said. "They won't listen to a verdict of not guilty."

The verdict came a year and a half after civil rights protesters angrily demanded Zimmerman be prosecuted. That anger appeared to return Saturday night outside the courthouse, at least for some who had been following the case.

Rosie Barron, 50, and Andrew Perkins, 55, both black residents of Sanford, stood in the parking lot of the courthouse and wept.

"I at least thought he was going to get something, something," Barron said.

Added her brother: "How the hell did they find him not guilty?"

Perkins was so upset he was shaking. "He killed somebody and got away with murder," Perkins shouted, looking in the direction of the courthouse. "He ain't getting no probation or nothing."

Several Zimmerman supporters also were outside the courthouse, including a brother and sister quietly rejoicing that Zimmerman was acquitted. Both thought the jury made the right decision in finding Zimmerman not guilty — they felt that Zimmerman killed Martin in self-defense.

Cindy Lenzen, 50, of Casslebury, and her brother, 52-year-old Chris Bay, stood watching the protesters chant slogans such as, "the whole system's guilty."

Lenzen and Bay — who are white — called the entire case "a tragedy," especially for Zimmerman.

"It's a tragedy that he's going to suffer for the rest of his life," Bay said. "No one wins either way. This is going to be a recurring nightmare in his mind every night."

Meanwhile, authorities in Martin's hometown of Miami said the streets were quiet, with no indication of problems. The neighborhood where Martin's father lives in Miami Gardens was equally quiet.

Zimmerman wasn't arrested for 44 days after the Feb. 26, 2012, shooting as police in Sanford insisted that Florida's Stand Your Ground law on self-defense prohibited them from bringing charges. Florida gives people wide latitude to use deadly force if they fear death or bodily harm.

Martin's parents, along with civil rights leaders such as the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, argued that Zimmerman — whose father is white and whose mother is Hispanic — had racially profiled their son. And they accused investigators of dragging their feet because Martin was a black teenager.

Before a special prosecutor assigned to the case ordered Zimmerman's arrest, thousands of protesters gathered in Sanford, Miami, New York and elsewhere, many wearing hoodies like the one Martin had on the night he died. They also carried Skittles and a can of iced tea, items Martin had in his pocket. President Barack Obama weighed in, saying that if he had a son, "he'd look like Trayvon."

Despite the racially charged nature of the case, race was barely mentioned at the trial. Even after the verdict, prosecutors said the case was not about race.

"This case has never been about race or the right to bear arms," Corey said. "We believe this case all along was about boundaries, and George Zimmerman exceeded those boundaries."

One of the few mentions of race came from witness Rachel Jeantel, the Miami teen who was talking to Martin by phone moments before he was shot. She testified that he described being followed by a "creepy-ass cracker" as he walked through the neighborhood.

Jeantel gave some of the trial's most riveting testimony. She said she overheard Martin demand, "What are you following me for?" and then yell, "Get off! Get off!" before his cellphone went dead.

The jurors had to sort out clashing testimony from 56 witnesses in all, including police, neighbors, friends and family members.

For example, witnesses who got fleeting glimpses of the fight in the darkness gave differing accounts of who was on top. And Martin's parents and Zimmerman's parents both claimed that the person heard screaming for help in the background of a neighbor's 911 call was their son. Numerous other relatives and friends weighed in, too, as the recording was played over and over in court. Zimmerman had cuts and scrapes on his face and the back of his head, but prosecutors suggested the injuries were not serious.

To secure a second-degree murder conviction, prosecutors had to convince the jury that Zimmerman acted with a "depraved" state of mind — that is, with ill will, hatred or spite. Prosecutors said he demonstrated that when he muttered, "F------ punks. These a-------. They always get away" during a call to police as he watched Martin walk through his neighborhood.

To win a manslaughter conviction, prosecutors had to convince the jury only that Zimmerman killed without lawful justification.

 

Comments

The Big Dog's back

I already debunked the story about Oakland.

JudgeMeNot

Zimmer is free to go.

VTX Rider

Yes. He is.

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BULLISDEEP

The Big Dog's back
Sun, 07/14/2013 - 6:34pm

I already debunked the story about Oakland

Did you see the pictures

The Big Dog's back

Yes.

stayfit

Black people get more advantages than any race in this country. They hold a lot of power and have groups such as the NCAAP that are triumphant voice for their race.

There is affirmative action and blacks have an easier time of receiving financial aid and admission to college.

Years of discrimination caused this.

This is a new era.

oheaglefl

So, does that mean the Martin's will have to return the million dollars they were paid by the homeowner's association? Cancel the order for the two new cadillacs. It was always about the money and if they file more suits, it will still be about the money.

deertracker

Sure, all about the money? Nevermind their teenage son is DEAD! You do not need millions to buy a Cadillac. SMDH!

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2cents

Is that story true about ordering two Cadys?

If so, that is blood money, sorry for them, what they should be doing is setting up a trust fund to help educate our youth in situations that involve confrontation. I have a friend who's boy never backed down to anybody, he did a few stints in the DH, quit a few jobs and where he is headed I do not know. He has major attitude!

Just saying!

deertracker

Just noise!

JudgeMeNot

Zimmer is free to go.

VTX Rider

Yes. He is.

sandtown born a...

The justice system flawed as it may be is all we have to rely on for legal justice. The sad thing is if history repeats itself Zimmerman will end up getting 20 yrs in prison for a dui or some other lesser crime in some other state and everyone will scream KARMA/JUSTICE. Which it is not what it will be! That's when we will see the biggest flaws in our system.

The Big Dog's back

Maybe someone will claim "self defense" against zim. That would be a shame.

sandtown born a...

And you would consider that justice huh????

The Big Dog's back

Justice? Nope. Self defense.

whazup

Please tell us what you SERIOUSLY believe is self-defense. When do you think it is within the definition of self-defense to use deadly force to stop a threat? Please don't use sarcasm but instead a sincere example.

whazup

Still waiting for a real answer, Big Dog.

whazup

And waiting................yawn

whazup

You have time to call someone a "sock puppet" when they agree with me but 5 hours later you still can't give what you think is a legitimate example of self-defense?

UgtaBkdnMe

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. Chihuahua pup isn't capable of answering your valid question.

KnuckleDragger

Your comment advocating violence against a man found not guilty of a crime speaks volumes about your hypocrisy.

The Big Dog's back

I said it would be a shame.

deertracker

Are you referring to O.J.? What about those flaws?

sandtown born a...

As a matter of fact I was, imprisoned with a severe sentence because he was found not guilty of 2 murders, the crimes he is in jail for most would have been out long ago. Justice/Karma I think not that's more like revenge. I for one fear that kind of justice

deertracker

Same justice system just a different Black man!

2cents's picture
2cents

This will not go away for some time.

(NAACP Call For Civil Rights Charges Against George Zimmerman)

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycram...

sandtown born a...

Can you say WITCH HUNT?

The Big Dog's back

No, actually I would call it the legalizing of killing unarmed Black teens.

sandtown born a...

We thought you went to where ever your back from. Oh well maybe next time

grumpy

When did the discussion switch to the racial killings in Chicago? You know the ones where the racist blacks are killing black folks? The blacks in Chicago must just hate black folks, that must be the reason they are killing all them black folks every week.

The Big Dog's back

pooh, your the only one who ever brings up Chicago no matter what the story.

grumpy

You brought up the subject of killing unnamed black teens. Where is it open season on them? Chicago. They remain unnamed, at least in media reports. At most we get a body count every few days. Even when black preteens there get shot the media rarely mentions it. I wonder why when it seems that there is open season on young black folks there, and you are trying to make it seem like it only happens when someone other than black kills unnamed black teens. Those blacks that are killing unnamed black teens must be racist, since they seem only to be killing unnamed blacks. I wonder how many hundreds of unnamed black teens have been shot there since Martin was shot?

Contango

Re: "Where is it open season on them? Chicago."

I lived in the NW suburbs of Chicago for 25 yrs.

A lot of the dead and wounded are little kids just going to school, riding bikes, playing, sleeping, etc.

It's a (BLEEPING) tragedy!!!

Where's the media, where's the outrage????

LabMan

So far in Chicago this month

July 10 – Marlon Young, a 39 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Auburn Gresham.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 8 – Marquise Chandler, a 20 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in West Garfield Park.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 8 – Georgina Randell, a 30 year old black female, caused by a gunshot in North Lawndale.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 8 – Ed Cooper, a 15 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Humboldt Park.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 7 – Ramone Godfrey, a 19 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in New City.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 6 – Terry Patterson, a 48 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in East Garfield Park.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 6 – Patricia Martin, a 40 year old black female, caused by a assault in Roseland.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 6 – Jerimiah Milsap, a 24 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Near West Side.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 5 – Shavonte Howard, a 20 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Gage Park.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 5 – Aurelia Wilborn, a 64 year old unknown female, caused by a stabbing in Roseland.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 5 – Elliott Frazier, a 26 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Rogers Park.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 4 – Marlon Obanner, a 31 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in West Englewood.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 4 – Steve Mabins, a 21 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in East Garfield Park.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 4 – Theodis Young, a 36 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Greater Grand Crossing.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 3 – Ernest McMullen, a 26 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Woodlawn.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 3 – Rayford Brown, a 24 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in South Shore.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 3 – William Jones, a 26 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Auburn Gresham.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 3 – Damani Henard, a 14 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Austin.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 2 – Ashley Hardmon, a 19 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Austin.
> Read more about this homicide.
July 2 – Terrence Graves, a 23 year old black male, caused by a gunshot in Washington Heights.
> Read more about this homicide.

Contango

"In 2010, nearly 700 Chicago school children were shot and 66 of them died."

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp...

I figure that the gangbangers should be taken out to a shooting range and learn how to shoot straight. Then maybe they would only kill each other instead of innocents.

Richard Bebb

RE: "No, actually I would call it the legalizing of killing unarmed Black teens"

Grow up - who started the physical confrontation ? He wasn't walking down the street and got shot in the back for being black. He sucker punched a man and was beating his head on the ground and payed for his criminal actions with his life.

whazup

That's all Dumb Dog wants to talk about. Ask him some real questions and he won't give a direct answer. He won't completely read (or can't read) posts in there entirety and then spouts off with the dumbest responses.

The Big Dog's back

http://www.documentcloud.org/doc...

Just thought you might want to know the facts.

rezzy

They can't get it because the case has to involve a public institution such as a police department. Talk about an organization that outlived its usefulness

deertracker

It's over now. I am really disappointed in the verdict but it is what it is. I am not at all surprised though. Our system of justice is flawed and unequal but it is the only system we have. A civil suit is pointless if there is nothing to get. It's over now.

JudgeMeNot

Zimmer is free to go.

VTX Rider

Yes. He is.

he said she said

I don't know about a civil suit for wrongful death, but I did hear last night that the NAACP is getting involved because Zimmerman violated Martin's civil rights.

I'm upset about the verdict but I'm not going to riot or destroy anyone's property.

I do believe that Zimmerman should have been found guilty. He was following someone that was minding his own business and in the end, he killed the kid. So what if Martin was beating the hell out of Zimmerman, the bruises and cuts will heal. He shot Martin and he died, that will never heal.

whazup

Looking back, things would have been different had he not followed the kid but tell me where following the kid was violating a law. The 911 operator made a statement, not a directive. Trayvon did not violate the law when he verbally confronted Zimmerman. The problem, according to testimony and not contradicted by evidence, is that Trayvon threw the first punch and was banging the man's head against the ground. Don't you remember how close the group of teen's in Sandusky were to killing the man laying on the ground and kicking his head? It was also said that the young man saw the gun and threatened to use is on the owner. We don't know what all the jury heard.

grumpy

Good post. Didn't bring up anything that can't be supported by the evidence from the trial, didn't leave anything out, that can be supported by evidence either. Left out the innuendo and guesses that some seem to need to even begin to make a case. Thanks.

The Big Dog's back

So if someone follows you and you confront them and they shoot 1st it's OK right?

rezzy

Following someone when you're a neighborhood watchmen is not against the law. When you're being followed and you punch someone in the face is totally against the law. I rest my case your honor.

deertracker

You are called a "watchman" for a reason. TO WATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rezzy

He watched him and then Trayvon decided to break the law by punching him in the face. That's legal?

The Big Dog's back
rezzy

I'm not clicking your links to find opinionated links that support only your side of the argument. Nice try making your empty statements seem believable.

The Big Dog's back

It's not an opinionated link. It's a PDF file of the actual 911 call. Of course as ignorant as you've shown to be you probably don't know what a PDF file is.

whazup

He watched him as he followed. Maybe the kid should have just walked home and Zimmerman could have watched that. I'm getting the feeling that some people on this blog think it's okay to act violently when someone makes you mad.

deertracker

The question is: Who was mad?

UgtaBkdnMe

Sounds like the kid was mad. Why else would he hit the defendant.

whazup

If his goal was to shoot someone, why wait until he was put in a position where he was being beaten in the head and trapped? People who carry guns hope to never have to use them. Wonder what Zimmerman's fate would have been had he not been carrying? When would Martin decided to quit pounding his head into the ground?

The Big Dog's back

Without the gun (false bravado) zim would have never followed him.

whazup

I agree but that doesn't mean he was out to shoot someone.

deertracker

Maybe not, but he did shoot and kill someone!

UgtaBkdnMe

Yes, he did. Did you not catch the part where the jury found him not guilty because it fell under the definition of self defense? Would you be happy if the defendant didn't have a gun and was beaten to a pulp by the deceased? He shouldn't have struck the defendant in the first place.

The Big Dog's back
JudgeMeNot

Zimmer is free to go.

VTX Rider

Yes. He is.

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2cents

Was this the incident where the teenage black kids needed to kill a white man to get into some kind of gang? The white guy was attending a wedding reception at the Crystal room when they jumped him in the parking lot. How is he doing recovered or still in bad shape?

whazup

I was referring to the incident last year where a large group of kids were outside of a man's house near the hospital late at night. He went outside on HIS lawn and told the kids to go home. They jumped him, beat him in the head and had his girlfriend/wife not called the PD, they probably would have killed him. Several teenagers were charged with attempted murder and at least one is serving time in prison. The man they attacked I believe is in his 30's.

The man was white and the majority of the kids were black. I don't believe it is a race thing at all but isn't it funny that we have different standards of judgement in our country when a white victim is attacked by a minority?

OMG.LOL.WT_

I don't think Zimmerman was guilty of anything other than defending himself, nevertheless, "Better that (pick a number) guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer." Some seem to think we should be ruled by mobs and demonstrations rather than laws.

PaulYall

Based on racial profiling? Well only evidence that was submitted was TM calling GZ. a "creepy a$$ cracker" admitted by his girlfriend while on the phone! Not once did I hear or see evidence of GZ remotely call TM anything "racial" that was all brought up by the family of TM and the NAACP! The State of Florida had no witness's and no evidence of a racial intent of hate! The people of the Sunshine State of Florida has spoken! NOT GUILTY! Frankly eight families will be forever changed! Martin family, Zimmerman family and that of 6 juror families!

deertracker

F*****g coons/creepy cracker? Review the call then post again! SMDH!

PaulYall

I didn't hear him say f'ing coons on the 911 call...nor did I hear it in evidence! So shake your darn head all you want!

deertracker

Review the call then repost! SMFH!

JudgeMeNot

Zimmer is free to go.

VTX Rider

Yes. He is.

whazup

That is not what was recorded in the actual 911 call. That is what the media "doctored". Please check it out and I think you will see that is the truth.

The Big Dog's back

It's not the media doctored call. It's the original 911 call.
http://www.documentcloud.org/doc...

grumpy

Didn't see the word coons in your link. Closest thing would be where Zimmerman says fing (unintelligible) That means they don't know what he said, much like you don't know what he said, or anybody else. But then that won't fit your biases.

whazup

Haven't you noticed? Dumb Dog can't read.

The Big Dog's back
rezzy

Big pup's spending an aweful lot of time surfing youtube and posting; perhaps he is part of the 47% Mitt Romney referred to.

S w Rand 2016

re: Big Dog's video link.

The first comment on the page, with which anyone would have to agree, says:
I totally hear "******* punks". The f-word is clear, the next sound is a plosive consonant with air release at the lips, like "B" in boy or "P" in punk. Coon would release with the lips open and the sound more harsh in the mouth, like "K" in krill or "C" in coon. At the end of the word "punk" you would expect that harsh plosive "K", which I think can be heard. The hissing sibilant at the end sounds like "S" as in snake unlike "Coons" which I would expect to end with "Z" in zebra.

I mean, seriously..Big Dog, think. People say punk all the time. How many people use the word coon as a racial slur in the last few decades? The odds are overwhelmingly in favor of punks. And you hear it clearly.

PaulYall

I stand corrected! I barely heard it..but it does sound like it! So they both called each other names! Creepy a$$ cracker and f'ing coon.

deertracker

Thank you!!!

Richard Bebb

Stop with the race baiting he said F-ing punks - if you had watched a minute of the trial or the coverage the prosecution (that means the people on your side) said Zimmerman said F-ing punks in their opening statements.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/24/ju...

S w Rand 2016

re: Paul Y'all.

Wrong. He clearly says punks.

The f-word is clear, the next sound is a plosive consonant with air release at the lips, like "B" in boy or "P" in punk. Coon would release with the lips open and the sound more harsh in the mouth, like "K" in krill or "C" in coon. At the end of the word "punk" you would expect that harsh plosive "K", which I think can be heard. The hissing sibilant at the end sounds like "S" as in snake unlike "Coons" which I would expect to end with "Z" in zebra.

Even without the expert opinion, what are the odds anyway? How many people use the word punks and how many people use the word coons? Think about it.

J Cooper

The true racists now appear, where were they when OJ got away with murder?

deertracker

They were probably hanging out with the cops that beat the hell out of Rodney King!

J Cooper

Or celebrating when OJ got acquitted.

whazup

Rodney King being beaten (with extreme excessive force) does not make Zimmerman guilty.

The Big Dog's back

Who said it did?

whazup

Can you not read, Dumb Dog? Deertracker made a statement that I was responding to.

deertracker

I never said that nonsense either. I REPEAT. WHO SAID IT DID?

whazup

Never said you made the statement. I said I was responding to your post about hanging out with racists. You mentioned the Rodney King situation and then I did. Relax!

J Cooper

Who made it about race, or yea, the one person who stated "creepy-a%* cracker" Didn't see threats of violence when OJ was acquitted.

The Big Dog's back

Fox news made it racial.

JudgeMeNot

Zimmer is free to go.

VTX Rider

Yes. He is.

rezzy

Bottom line is this, a jury of six women (one black and one Hispanic) cleared Zimmerman of any wrong doing. If you don't like it, then you better look in the mirror and decide who the real racist is in this case. Get over it

whazup

True

The Big Dog's back

All of the six members are women. Five are white, one is Hispanic. The four alternates include two women and two men, all of whom are white, but for one male Hispanic.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2...

whazup

So, and the prosecution helped select the jury.

rezzy

Seems like I uncovered who the true racist is amongst us. Do you have anything you want to confess puppy?

The Big Dog's back

Apparently you can't read either. 6 women, 5 white, 1 hispanic. NO BLACKS. Did you hear that? NO BLACKS!

whazup

So is the prosecutor's office racist? After all, they were part of the jury selection. Doesn't make sense that the prosecutor would want to lose.

rezzy

So what you're saying is that the black jurors would have twisted the factual law to meet the black needs? I don't get it! Hmmmmm....what's the real truth here?

The Big Dog's back

I will go real slow. You said a jury of 6 women, 1 Black 1 Hispanic. I pointed out to you there were no Blacks on the jury.

UgtaBkdnMe

So what.

JudgeMeNot

Zimmer is free to go.

VTX Rider

Yes. He is.

KnuckleDragger

Since he is guaranteed a jury of his peers, then it makes sense that there were no blacks. The jury had white and hispanic members.

phroggy

If it were a white young man walking in the middle of Harlem, would we be having the same conversation? I'm not racist. To me, everyone is equally worthless.

deertracker

This is not about a black kid walking through Beverly Hills.

whazup

???????????????? WTH did that come from?

The Big Dog's back

Obviously it's becoming more and more apparent you can't read. Get one of your family members to read the previous post to you.

whazup

I can read, it said a white man walking through Harlem.

tk

If following someone isn't a crime, why do parents call the police and report someone was following their kid? Whether you choose to believe it or not Trayvon was a kid. He had barely turned 17.

whazup

And the police cannot do anything to a person following a kid if that is all the person is doing. My parents also taught me to run away and go to a place of safety. Wasn't Martin close to his home? The information states he was within 70 yards of his home when he punched Zimmerman. Personally, I don't think I would have been able to determine the age of this young man. He was the size of a man, he had his hood up(it was raining) so his facial features were somewhat concealed, and he turned to the follower and started a physical altercation.

The Big Dog's back

Bullspit. If the police see the person, at the very least they question them. Start dealing in reality instead of strawman scenarios.

whazup

Of course they would question them but that is about all they can do. I didn't create any scenario. The reality is that a 5'11" male doesn't look like a kid in the dark. DUH Dumb Dog!

rezzy

Why does everyone fault a watchman for following someone? For the hundredth time, following someone is not against the law. Punching someone in the face and hitting his head against the concrete is against the law. The message? If you have someone following you, you can turn around and punch him in the face and crack his skull. Oh wait, that law only applies to certain groups.

whazup

Agree

Informed

So here's what it boils down to. If you want to get rid of someone you don't like, instigate a fight with him. When you are getting your butt kicked, pull a gun and kill him--you'll get off scott free if you claim self-defense.

2cents's picture
2cents

That's what the gangs do now!

whazup

What makes you think Zimmerman didn't like Martin? Nothing was released that indicated they knew one another. What do you think a neighborhood block watch is for? Could it be that Zimmerman was hoping that by following Martin he would be preventing another home being broken into? There had just be a couple a few days prior. You wouldn't find it suspicious that a person, who you don't recognize, is walking around in your neighborhood in the pouring rain? Don't forget, Trayvon was new to the neighborhood and would not be recognized as "one of the neighbors". If he wanted to approach Zimmerman, why not say "dude, I live at such and such address" and just go home? I by no means think this is a racial issue but to be the devil's advocate, maybe Martin didn't like Hispanics and that is why HE started the fight. Unfortunately, Martin was killed and Zimmerman has to live with in. It is a sad, sad situation.

The Big Dog's back

Answer the question. If zim was on the up and up, why didn't he identify himself?

whazup

Again, how do you know that he didn't? Notice how you avoid all of the real questions?

The Big Dog's back

Because he would have said it in one of his 12 versions of what happened.

whazup

Exactly the response I was looking for. So Zimmerman had an opportunity to lie and a dead teenager couldn't dispute it. It would have been so easy for him to make that claim but he didn't. So why is the rest of his story just a bunch of lies? His story has been consistent.

rezzy

Big pup hates other ethnic groups. Don't you puppy?

The Big Dog's back

Is right wingnut an ethnicity?

rezzy

No more than left-wing nuts are

whazup

He's a yellow lab and doesn't run with the other labs.

S w Rand 2016

re: Big Dog: "Answer the question. If zim was on the up and up, why didn't he identify himself?"

When Martin turned and approached him in a confrontational manner, perhaps Zimmerman became nervous. Maybe Zimmerman thought that identifying himself as a member of a block watch (who also has the police on the phone) might cause the situation to escalate. Maybe he thought Martin would pull a gun on HIM.
Remember, he was just trying to tail Martin until the police showed up. There is no reason to assume that Zimmerman wanted to risk getting physically involved himself.

Pretty likely, if you think about it.

The Big Dog's back

That sums it up informed.

JudgeMeNot

Zimmer is free to go.

VTX Rider

Yes. He is.

deertracker

@Informed
Agreed!

Mystery_Cheese

Zimmerman didn't instigate the fight according to the jury.

S w Rand 2016

re: Informed: "So here's what it boils down to. [and the rest of that comment]"

No. It boils down to the fact that you do NOT wanna set a precedent of convicting someone without evidence. I'm sure you wouldn't want to be, yourself, convicted of something without evidence. Why would you wish it on others?

PaulYall

BREAKING NEWS! OVER 20 MILLION AMERICANS HAVE JUST ACQUIRED THERE LAW DOCTRINE OVERNIGHT!

whazup

Hahahahahahahaha Thanks for the laugh : )

J Cooper

When this tragic incident occurred, Obama, Jackson and Sharpton all was making comments, watched all the morning news programs didn't hear or see any of them calling for calm and respecting the rule of law, typical double standard.

The Big Dog's back

There is calm. I already debunked the bullspit Oakland story.

rezzy

You are sooooo amazing and incredibly smart! How can one acquire such capabilities?

The Big Dog's back

1st you have to have a brain and your own thinking abilities. 2nd, you don't let Fox news control what you think. 3rd, don't echo what other people say without researching yourself.

deertracker

Elementary my dear!

CAST THE FIRST STONE

Big dog is a rasist more than anyone i have ever seen on here. Rasist is being for one color over another does not matter which way. spelling wrong on purpose

rezzy

Big pup actually took my comment literally and began trying to help me to be as smart as he is, bahhhh haaa haa ha.

The Big Dog's back

Yeah I know, it will never happen.

JudgeMeNot

Zimmer is free to go.

VTX Rider

Yes. He is.

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