Kasich signs boat boarding ban bill

Gov. John Kasich came to town to fish, but before he left he signed a bill to help northern Ohio’s boating industry.
Tom Jackson
Jul 12, 2013

 

The governor, who came to Ohio for the annual “Fish Ohio” event, signed House Bill 29 by state Rep. Rex Damschroder, R-Fremont. The measure prohibits state and local law enforcement officers from boarding boats unless they have a reason.

Damschroder, who said he has received many complaints from recreational boaters about being harassed when they’ve done nothing wrong, said his measure simply adopts the same standard for boats on Lake Erie that applies to motorists who are driving on Ohio’s roads. When officers are patrolling the street, they have to have a reason to pull you over, he said. He said officers can still board boats if they see evidence of drinking or unsafe behavior.     

Kasich signed the bill at the Lake Erie Shores and Islands visitor center on Ohio 53 in Ottawa County after participating in Fish Ohio. The governor said he wants people to enjoy themselves when they are out on the lake. “If you’re acting irresponsibly, we’re going to crack down on you. We want boating safety,” the governor said. Kasich acknowledged that his bill doesn’t apply to federal agencies such as the Coast Guard, which has been issuing citations for drunken boating on Lake Erie. State officials “need to aggressively communicate with our partners in the federal government,” Kasich said.       

The governor bragged that he caught two fish during Fish Ohio, an annual event in Ottawa County that takes state officials out fishing to promote northern Ohio’s fishing industry. He also said he plans to visit Stone Laboratory.   

Rick Unger, president of the Lake Erie Charter Boat Association, said Kasich met with charter boat captains when he was running for governor and promised to stay in touch with them. He’s kept that promise, Unger said.    The governor said he has been visiting the lake since he was a child and talked about efforts his administration has taken to battle harmful algal blooms.

“This lake, it might be the greatest asset we have in the state of Ohio, other than the people,” he said.

Comments

PaulYall

I don't care for him..but this is a good Bill he signed into law!

Factitious

It's just political grandstanding and Kasich deserves little credit. This bipartisan measure would have happened with or without him. It's also constitutionally unnecessary, but probably put a halt to the illegal searches a little quicker. All our first responders are heros, right? Except when they're not.

Some of the biggest supporters, drunken boaters, will be disappointed, because they'll still get boarded.

Contango

Re: "It's just political grandstanding,"

To paraphrase Sun Tzu: All politics is based on deception.

Meanwhile the "secret" FISA court gets to decide who is and who is not a terrorist.

The Big Dog's back

So.

Pterocarya frax...

This is a good bill. Give credit to Kasich on this. Now if he could just figure out a way to protect womens' uteruses from unnecessary searches.

mikeylikesit

what???

Pterocarya frax...

The new budget bill he just signed mandates forced, unnecessary ultrasounds before a woman can go through an abortion. Not only is there no logic in putting that in a budget bill, it is a violation of the Ohio Constitution to put anything except the budget in the budget bill. Not that Kasich gives a hoot about the Constitution.

herbie_hancock

Aww Why? Does it make it easier for you to abort a life when you don't have to see it? You know what we call people who refuse to face the consequences of their actions? Cowards. Protect your own uterus, there would virtually be no need for abortions if you practiced responsible sex. Why do the taxpayers have to pay for the results of other peoples one night stands?.....PLEASE bring up the "rape and incest" aspect of abortion, because Im chomping at the bit to throw those statistics out there...

Pterocarya frax...

What part of unconstitutional don't you understand? As already stated, that is my gripe.

eriemom

"practiced responsible sex"
What does this mean? Please keep in mind that all forms of birth control can fail.

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BULLISDEEP

Wouldn't responsible sex mean you wanted to make a baby .

deertracker

Ahh yes, it always about what the taxpayer supposedly pays. You don't want to pay for anything yet control everything. Are you the product of a one night stand? I say, if you don't have a uterus, don't try to control one.

Contango

What the (bleep)!

Was the title of this article:

"Kasich signs boat boarding abortion ban bill"???

The left wing loony illiterates are out and running.

JudgeMeNot

No doubt.

mikeylikesit

the feds don't have to and probably will not follow this state law..

getit right be4...

The feds work for the states.

mikeylikesit

the feds are pretty good at ignoring all laws if it suits their agenda but they can and will still come aboard if federal law or their agenda permits..

Reva

Nail on the head herbie_handcock.

FlyBoy86

It's a start...

Swiftshot

you guys went a little- way way off subject here

SamAdams

While I certainly support the sentiment behind this bill, I don't like that it was passed and signed. Why not? Because the Fourth Amendment already covers the issue! Issuing an edict from the Governor's Mansion that says, "Hey! Law enforcement WILL abide by the Fourth Amendment in Ohio!" would have been great. But now we're picking apart unalienable rights. By passing a law like this, it says that there are times the Fourth Amendment MUST be honored which implies there are other times it can be conveniently ignored.

As for the unconstitutionality of throwing the ultrasound requirement into a budget bill, you're right, Pterocarya frax. It doesn't matter whether you support the ultrasound requirement or not. Your position on the issue is immaterial to it being included where it doesn't belong.

The federal government does the same thing, and it does it all the time. That's how so much pork and nonsense gets cemented into law: It's attached to "must pass" measures, all too often things like budget bills.

There's an effort that's been underway for some time to pass a law at the federal level called the "one subject at a time" act. It would prohibit the attachment of unrelated items to other bills, "must pass" or not. Maybe we should make some effort to set out a "one subject at a time" law at the STATE level here in Ohio! That would cover ALL bills, by the way, not just the budget.

I'd also point out that the passage of the ultrasound requirement attached to a budget bill gives opponents some very serious ground to stand on in a suit to have it overturned. If the State Constitution does, indeed, prohibit the attachment of unrelated matters to the budget bill as you say, it can't stand.

Of course, next on the agenda would potentially be lawmakers amending the Constitution to permit such attachments. I wouldn't put that past them, by the way, just to pave the way for their future convenience. I'm telling you: Google the "one subject at a time" act. It's worth your support at ALL levels of government!

Pterocarya frax...

It is not just budget bills that prohibit more than 1 subject. It is all bills, as provided in Article II, Section 15(d) of the Ohio Constitution, that was amended in the constitutional convention of 1851:

(D) No bill shall contain more than
one subject, which shall be clearly
expressed in its title.

On page 17:

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/u...

I don't see how it could be any more clear.

Contango

Re: "I don't see how it could be any more clear."

For decades this entire country has been a nation of men, not one of laws – cafeteria-style govt.

It's: "Know Who," NOT "Know How."

Contact your elected State House and Senate reps and voice your concern - like that'll do any good.

God bless the child that's got his own. - Billie Holiday.

SamAdams

I agree with you: It really COULDN'T be any more clear! I'm obviously more familiar with the federal Constitution than with the state.

While there remains a serious need for a "one subject at a time" act at the federal level (easy reference, easy action available at downsizedc.org), we've already got one here. In Ohio, but there's apparently never-the-less a serious need: ENFORCEMENT!

Contango's right: Let's hold 'em to it! Aren't we ALL sick to death and tired of politicians who seem to think the law is more of a "guideline" than any kind of a law? Unless, of course, it involves one of US...

Contango

Re: "This lake, it might be the greatest asset we have in the state of Ohio,"

Ontario has hundreds of gas and oil wells in and around the Lake which provide jobs and revenue for the Providence.

Why have they been drilling for several decades and OH hasn't?

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/en/Busi...

JudgeMeNot

Could never figure out why the anti-fracking wackos never mention Canada for the fracking wells on the north side of lake Erie.

The Big Dog's back

So monkey see monkey do? Canada has a National Health insurance plan. Why don't we?

JudgeMeNot

What?

cockynurse

Thank you, Herbie!!

arnmcrmn

Less intrusion by the law and big brother = A GOOD THING.

Contango

Re: "Less intrusion by the law,"

IMO, more shadow than substance.

"The measure prohibits state and local law enforcement officers from boarding boats unless they have a reason."

"Reason" can have a BROAD definition.

Loved how the cops in Mayfield Hts. used ignorance of the law:

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news...

"Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them." - "Atlas Shrugged"

tzu4u

This bill does not prevent FEDERAL agencies from boarding your boat anytime they want. What use is it when the boardings are done by the Coast guard?

CAST THE FIRST STONE

Does this apply to inland lakes. when we go down to mifflin lake they always board and check

skydog44870

@tsu4u

Very good point but it’s not all about Lake Erie. Let’s not forget who authored the bill, Rep. Rex Damschroder of Fremont, Sandusky County and running directly through Sandusky County is the Sandusky River. And yes you probably guessed it, the Sandusky County Sheriff’s department has a river patrol boat. Many of my boating friends over there were so tired of being boarded repeatedly that they just docked their boats. Now they’ll just probably partner with a Federal boarder patrol agent on board and circumvent the state law.

Pterocarya frax...

Let us also remember that one of the cosponsors of this bill was Lynn Wachtmann (R) of Napoleon. Wachtmann was arrested for DUI on his boat in Michigan in 2000. Wachtmann is also well known for introducing anti abortion legislation like the Heartbeat bill. Glad to see these guys are working so hard on creating the right climate to help the economy recover and create jobs.

JudgeMeNot

Kinda mirrors Obamas climate to help the economy recover and create jobs.

The Big Dog's back

Has the 1 percent committed treason?
A small group of extremely wealthy people are systematically destroying the US government
By Robert Reich

Permit me an impertinent question (or three).

Suppose a small group of extremely wealthy people sought to systematically destroy the U.S. government by (1) finding and bankrolling new candidates pledged to shrinking and dismembering it; (2) intimidating or bribing many current senators and representatives to block all proposed legislation, prevent the appointment of presidential nominees, eliminate funds to implement and enforce laws, and threaten to default on the nation’s debt; (3) taking over state governments in order to redistrict, gerrymander, require voter IDs, purge voter rolls, and otherwise suppress the votes of the majority in federal elections; (4) running a vast PR campaign designed to convince the American public of certain big lies, such as climate change is a hoax, and (5) buying up the media so the public cannot know the truth.

Would you call this treason?

If not, what would you call it?

And what would you do about it?

Contango

Re: "Robert Reich"

WTF does RR have to do with Lake Erie???

Regardless: RR = Racist nutball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R...

arnmcrmn

Big Dog cannot stay on topic yet again.

I live at Holiday Lakes and yes, when the ODNR has made their presence, they board everyone's boat for no reason other than to scour the boat for anything they can write a ticket for.

Fact: they only come to Holiday Lakes at 11pm at night on random nights harassing pontoon boaters who are either floating or going 2 mph. It's ridiculous

Contango

One of the rationales for separation found in the Declaration of Independence:

"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance."

Look familiar?

arnmcrmn

yes sir

Edwin Ison

Refuse to allow them to board.

Edwin Ison

And videotape any interactions with them.

shucks

Fear of Big Brother and intrusion + having a Facebook account = retarded.

The Big Dog's back

ROFLMAO! So true, so true.