Martin testimony wraps up

Conflicting accounts highlight trial so far
Associated Press
Jun 30, 2013

 

The first week of George Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial wrapped up with testimony from two neighbors and a police officer that seemed to bolster the defense's argument that he was pinned on his back by Trayvon Martin before shooting the teen.

Neighbor Jonathan Good testified Friday that it appeared the unarmed teen was straddling the neighborhood watch volunteer, while another neighbor, Jonathan Manalo, said Zimmerman seemed credible when he said just after the fight that he shot Martin in self-defense. Officer Tim Smith testified that Zimmerman's back side was covered in grass and wetter than his front side.

All three were called as witnesses for prosecutors who are trying to convict him of second-degree murder.

Good, who had perhaps the best view of any witness, said he did not see anyone's head being slammed into the concrete sidewalk, as Zimmerman claims Martin did to him. Good initially testified that it appeared "there were strikes being thrown, punches being thrown," but during detailed questioning he said he saw only "downward" arm movements being made.

Zimmerman has claimed that he fatally shot 17-year-old Martin in February 2012 in self-defense as the Miami-area teen was banging his head into the concrete sidewalk behind the townhomes in a gated community.

Under prosecution questioning, Good said he never saw anyone being attacked that way. Good said he heard a noise behind his townhome and he saw what looked like a tussle when he stepped out onto his patio. He said he yelled: "What's going on? Stop it."

Good testified he saw a person in black clothing on top of another person with "white or red" clothing. He said he couldn't see faces but it looked like the person on the bottom had lighter skin. Martin was black and was wearing a dark hoodie. Zimmerman identifies as Hispanic and was wearing a red jacket. Good was back inside calling 911 when he heard a gunshot.

"It looked like there were strikes being thrown, punches being thrown," Good said.

Later, under cross-examination, he said that it looked like the person on top was straddling the person on bottom in a mixed-martial arts move known as "ground and pound." When defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked him if the person on top was Martin, Good said, "Correct, that's what it looked like." Good also said the person on the bottom yelled for help.

Zimmerman, 29, could get life in prison if convicted of second-degree murder. Zimmerman followed Martin in his truck and called a police dispatch number before he and the teen got into a fight.

Zimmerman has denied the confrontation had anything to do with race, as Martin's family and their supporters have claimed.

Manalo, whose wife had testified earlier in the week, was the first neighbor to step outside and see what happened with his flashlight after he heard a gunshot. He took cellphone photos of a bloodied Zimmerman and Martin's body, and those photos were shown to jurors on Friday. Manalo also described Martin's hands as being under his body.

Manalo said Zimmerman didn't appear shocked and acted calmly. After police officers arrived and handcuffed Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer asked Manalo to call his wife and tell her what happened.

Manalo started to tell Zimmerman's wife that her husband had been involved in a shooting and was being questioned by police when "he cut me off and said, 'Just tell her I shot someone,'" Manalo said.

Under cross-examination, Manalo said when he asked Zimmerman what happened, the neighborhood watch volunteer told him, "I was defending myself and I shot him."

"From what you could tell at that moment, that seemed completely true?" asked defense attorney Don West.

"Yes," Manalo said.

Smith, the police officer, testified that when he saw Zimmerman after the shooting, the neighborhood watch volunteer's backside was covered in grass and wetter than his front side, bolstering defense attorneys' contention that Martin was on top of Zimmerman.

As he walked to the squad car after he had been handcuffed, Zimmerman told the officer that "he was yelling for help and nobody would come help him," Smith said.

"It was almost a defeated ... a confused look on his face," Smith said.

Smith said Zimmerman described himself as "lightheaded" during the drive to Sanford Police Station but declined an offer to take him to a hospital.

The physician's assistant who treated Zimmerman the next day said that Zimmerman complained of feeling nauseated upon reflecting what had happened. But Lindzee Folgate attributed that to psychological factors rather than any physical condition. She also said it appeared his nose was broken, but it was impossible to say for sure since no X-rays were taken. She recommended he see an ear-and-nose doctor and a psychologist.

When O'Mara asked if abrasions on his head were consistent with someone who had his had slammed into concrete, Folgate said, "it could be consistent, yes."

She also testified that Zimmerman had written on a form reciting his medical history that he was exercising three times a week by doing mixed martial arts, a statement that prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked her to repeat.

Paramedic Stacy Livingston, who responded to the shooting scene, testified Zimmerman had a swollen, bleeding nose and two cuts on the back of his head an inch long. When O'Mara asked if Zimmerman should have been concerned with his medical well-being because of his injuries, Livingston said, "Possibly."

When photos of Martin's body were shown on a courtroom projector during Livingston's testimony, Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, looked away and blinked back tears.

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Comments

The Big Dog's back

Well, all thoughts of it not being racially motivated were thrown out the window when zimmerman called Trayvon an effing coon on the 911 tape.

stayfit

Martin's friend testified that Martin referred to Zimmerman as a "Cracker" among other negative and racial word choices.

The Big Dog's back

See my post below.

oheaglefl

You know I have heard that tape so many times, I can almost repeat it word for word and do not remember hearing anywhere on it where Zimmerman called him a effing coon, also, Trayvon supposedly told his friend Rachel that their was a "N" following him. Sooooooo, take it as you will.

rezzy

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The Big Dog's back
rezzy

When you're done watching his youtube video....check out the link to CNN's Wolf Blitzer where they have a special agent analyze the tape and cleared Zimmerman, he said F###ing Cold. Nice try buddy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K...

rezzy

Just had to post one more comment. Boooo yahhhhhh!!! Quit making stuff up my friend

The Big Dog's back

Not making anything up. And I'm not your friend.

rezzy

At least not now, huh buddy

The Brownie Elf

Not looking good for the prosecution. I'm glad I'm not a business owner in southern Florida. They may be hurricane proof but not fire and loot proof.

deertracker

I don't believe there will be any civil unrest if he is acquitted. I also don't believe he will be acquitted. I just don't think you can claim self defense if you start the fight. If he had just let the cops handle it we would not be here.

stayfit

Had he let the police handle it, the results would have been different. However, he broke no law by following the suspicious teenager. The two became entangled in a tussle (Jonathon Good, witness testimony) and Martin ground and pounded Zimmerman (J. Good, witness testimony of what it looked like). Zimmerman claims that his head was being slammed into concrete and that he was calling for help and a police witness said that Zimmerman's shirt was more wet in the back, then front, which indicates that he was on bottom.

If Martin re-approached Zimmerman, Zimmerman had every right to pull that trigger. Your head can only take so many hits to the pavement and there is no telling what Martin, a troubled-teen would have done.

Martin was far from the portrait of the All-American boy the media painted him out to be. From the evidence presented so far, I believe Zimmerman will be found innocent, but there could be a lot more to come.

The real question is did Martin back away when Zimmerman pointed a gun at him? Or was it a quick pull for Zimmerman in self-defense (it was dark).

deertracker

What was suspicious about him. He broke no laws either. It is not illegal to walk while black. Trayvon did not have to behave like a scared little boy. He felt as though he was being pursued. He asked Zimmerman "why are you following me?". It is not logical to me that I would be screaming for help if I have a gun. Martin was an all American boy. No, he was not a choir boy but he was far from being a thug. The real question is did Martin have to cower in fear even though he was not trespassing or breaking any laws. Did he have the right to defend himself after being approached? Was it logical for him to assume he may be in danger? If you are minding your business and I approach you in what you believe to be threatening and you punch me in the nose, I don't get to kill you because you are kicking my butt. I should have left you alone.

stayfit

The neighborhood watchman would have a good idea of who he has seen come in or out of the neighborhood. What made Martin suspicious was that he was young and the man had never seen him before and he was walking alone late at night. If he was profiled for being black, only Zimmerman knows, but he was suspicious due to their being robberies in the neighborhood and Zimmerman did not recognize him and it was dark.

Martin felt threatened and ran and Zimmerman saw it is as an act of guilt (understandable from both sides).

The beat-down and concrete head slamming is not a routine fight. Zimmerman cried for help.

Your head can only take so many bangs to concrete and fists.

He pulled the trigger in self-defense and regardless of what Zimmerman did right or wrong before the death, he did not commit a crime by choosing to follow Martin.

"A punch in the nose." Martin could have killed him and Zimmerman had to get stitches in various parts of his head. It was not a normal brawl.

lmalley77

My thoughts exactly deer tracker!....Zimmerman was TOLD by police to NOT pursue Martin, yet he did so, even after verbally stating to police dispatchers that he understood that and would NOT for it...Zimmerman was looking for trouble and that's what he found!!....Yes, MAYBE Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman throwing punches, but I have it in me to believe that if that is the case, Trayvon was DEFENDING himself from this man on a mission, aka George Zimmerman!!

stayfit

Zimmerman had no mission to kill Trayvon Martin or he would have prior to the assault.

This was act of desperation. If you your head were banged into concrete with pummeling fists in your face, you would feel helpless, too. Zimmerman did what he had to do. The jury will decide his fate, but I hope it is unbiased men and women making that decision.

The Big Dog's back

Bullspit.

rezzy

That's how I would've done it

oheaglefl

To Big Dogs Back, was it alright if Trayvon call Zimmerman a White Cracker? You know and I know that this name stuff goes on all the time and probably will never end. So let's just call it what it was a argument that got out of hand and someone got killed because of it.
If he truly was running to his dad's house like he told his friend Rachel then he would have gone inside and nothing would have happened, but he chose to turn and confront. So, who was the aggressor Martin or Zimmerman?

The Big Dog's back

He was talking to Rachel about the cracker thing not zim. Sounds like you and many others want to forget about the 1st part of this. zim stalked Trayvon, fact. zim was told by 911 dispatcher not to stalk Trayvon, fact. zim was told by the HOA not to confront people, fact.

stayfit

There were robberies in the neighborhood prior and Zimmerman worried that he was getting away. He was following to give location until police got there. Just because a dispatcher says "we don't need you do to that, does not mean Zimmerman had to listen." It was not a direct order.

Zimmerman was doing the best he could to protect his community and he was harshly beaten for doing so and was in fear of his life.

The 12-year-old All-American pictures that scream wrongdoing in the media are the reason this case is national stage. The fact was Martin was a 17-year-old, violent, troubled teen involved that was in his peak years of fitness and was even ground and pounding an old man (Mixed Martial Arts Move).

Up until this point, I would say Zimmerman is innocent.

The Big Dog's back

A physician assistant who treated George Zimmerman's injuries the day after he said he shot and killed Trayvon Martin in self-defense testified Friday that she had treated Zimmerman before, and that he told her he'd had been involved with mixed martial arts several times a week.

Lindzee Folgate said she previously treated Zimmerman in August and September 2011. When he returned for treatment on Feb. 27, 2012, with various cuts and a broken nose, Folgate said Zimmerman told her he was in a fight and his head was shoved into the ground.
Once again, don't let facts get in the way of your thinking.

tk

Zimmerman was 27 years old at the time. Do you seriously call that being an "old man"?

The Big Dog's back

Really. Georges St-Pierre is 32. Old fart.

Contango

Re: "Georges St-Pierre is 32."

Like to watch sweaty men roll around huh?

Trying to make your dog jealous? :)

The Big Dog's back

So when are you starting your petition?

Contango

Enjoy your Big Dog's BACK. :)

The Big Dog's back

Which petition are you starting, polygamy or incest?

JudgeMeNot

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deertracker

Crime is in lots of neighborhoods. If he was so worried he should have just let LE handle it. You are correct, it was not a direct order but it was suggested. Dispatchers by law can't tell you NOT to follow someone. They can only advise you to let LE handle it for your own safety. Martin was NOT a "violent troubled teen". Where are you getting that? The Zimmerman you see in court looks like an old man but that is no where even close to how he looked that night!

lmalley77

Exactly deertracker, lots of teens are not "angels", but articles I have read have stated that Martin had absolutely NO record of any kind....just because his Facebook page showed him throwing up middle fingers or smoking, doesn't mean that he was a thug gang banger out to cause trouble!... Many people have skeletons from their teen years, that doesn't mean Trayvon was a bad person, if he were still alive, he could have turned his life into something good!...And NOBODY was there to see WHO assaulted whom first!!...For all ANYBODY knows, Zimmerman could have assaulted Trayvon and Trayvon was then in turn defending HIMSELF!!...Remember people, its a DEAD teens word against a man with gun who is still alive....Trayvon is not here to defend himself and say who the initial aggressor was.....and OF COURSE Zimmerman is NOT going to tell everyone that he approached and assaulted Trayvon first, he will give the story that MAKES him seem like the innocent victim!!!

registerer

It probably doesn't matter that at the time of his death he was suspended from his school for drugs and several fights. Naw, not a problem. He is a model kid.

lmalley77

The article states that ZIMMERMAN stated on his medical forms that HE himself had been working out by doing mixed martial arts!

lmalley77

Amen!

KnuckleDragger

So if Zimmerman was telling someone else that Martin was a coon, it is OK then? I get it, in the liberal world only the black man gets a pass on the racial slur. You are an idiot. The fact remains, Zimmerman will walk, just look at the jury composition.

The Big Dog's back

Is that a Freudian slip or are you saying no way 5 white women and a Hispanic would convict him.

deertracker

I think it was a little more than an argument that got out of hand and if you have really been paying attention, so would you.

Contango

If found not guilty and there are riots and demonstrations; I gotta wonder if the POTUS is gonna ACT like a leader and attempt to quell the anger or will he pull his race-baiting hatred BS again?

'If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon' - Pres. Obama.

http://www.politico.com/politico...

The Big Dog's back

Man crush again with Obama ehh winnie. Don't you think the Repub Gov of Florida can handle it?

44846GWP

Lol! Good one Big Dog!

KnuckleDragger

^^This from the man who has been riding the Presidents tip since the day he was elected.

deertracker

There will be no unrest pooh! I think you want there to be but there will not be. A demonstration is different from unrest. I have three sons and they do look like Trayvon Martin. Young and black. The comments the President made were compassionate, not hate filled or race related. There has been lots of incidents where a black man was killed by police unjustifiably. That sometimes has sparked unrest. Rodney King just happened to live.

stayfit

q

stayfit

The President is a compassionate and warm person. A 17-year-old is dead, I'm glad he acknowledged it. He also didn't say "Zimmerman, life in prison, murderer." He acknowledged a tragedy and a life of what might have been.

I'm sure Aaron Hernandez had a bright future, too, had he not slain 1 or more persons. Had Zimmerman not followed Martin...Had Martin not beat Zimmerman and smashed his head into concrete... Had Zimmerman shot Martin in the leg... Did Zimmerman think Martin had a gun?... There is a lot of what-ifs.

The Rodney King beatings were not what-ifs. He was in a high-speed chase and resisted arrest... okay. He was also beat 53-57 times with a deadly weapon by those paid to protect. He committed a crime, but we have laws that do not warrant cruel and unusual punishment.

Police that abuse their power have beat up people of all color, watch the Robert Leon video below. This is one of the worst cases of police brutality... and its against a white man.

The Trayvon Martin case should be less about race and more about facts. And there is no correlation that can be drawn between Martin and King.
There are years of racial injustice that cannot reversed, but we live in a different age and its time for people to come together and not segregate and create racial barriers that are unwarranted.

deertracker

Aaron Hernandez also had a choice. Yes, lots of what ifs. What if he had just let the cops handle it? Rodney King took a MAJOR beat down for exactly what charges? You will never convince me I did not see what I just saw on that video. The correlation is the injustice itself. Martin has never even been accused or charged with committing ANY crime that night. Why is it everyone's responsibility to tear down something the white man built? He built it. Tear it down. Correct, you can't change the past but it should NEVER be forgotten!!!!!!

stayfit

"What if he would have let the cops handle it." - Stand Your Ground Law (Fla.) He was within in his rights to defend himself. The person on the phone said,"We don't need you to do that." He was within his rights.

Trayvon felt threatened, evaded and jumped him. Beat him badly with concrete and fists (bloody knuckles from blows). Zimmerman fearing for his life, pulled the trigger, also within his rights with Stand Your Ground (Fla.).

Would countless of others made decisions differently than Zimmerman leading up to the death of Martin, probably.

The fact remains, it is being argued in court that he was within his rights and defended himself. The jury will decide.

One thing I know, this is not a race issue and several prominent groups are trying to benefit from Trayvon's death to serve their own self-interests by creating a race issue that isn't there.

I think some people want it to be there, to bring attention to mistakes and injustices of the past that have no correlation or comparison to this case.

deertracker

What groups?

The Brownie Elf

Unless any earth-shattering discoveries are made (such as Zimmerman admitting he shot Martin because he was black, or Martin comes back to life) you are not going to win over the other side. The majority of black people are going to feel Martin was right and did nothing wrong. The majority of white people are going to feel Zimmerman was right. Of course there may be a few exceptions. I see both sides. It's a tragic ending but you also have to take your blinders off and remain objective. Hopefully the jurors will.

Contango

Re: "The majority of black people are going to feel Martin was right and did nothing wrong. The majority of white people are going to feel Zimmerman was right."

Good observation.

Not unlike the consensus in the OJ Simpson trial.

Remember: Although Mr. Zimmerman is Hispanic, for story and profit purposes, the media wants him to be lily "white."

The Big Dog's back

I'm white and feel zim is guilty.

Contango

Re: "I'm white and feel zim is guilty.

Why this prejudice against Hispanics?

lmalley77

Me too big dog!

ladydye_5

I thought they called him "white Hispanic". I am really fed up with all the RACE stuff. White/Hispanic....African/American. Heck....my medical chart the other day said White/NON Hispanic.....I didn't even CHECK THAT BOX....THEY DID IT FOR ME.....WTH????? Until everyone stops with the labels this country will never be settled and unified.

Contango

Re: "I am really fed up with all the RACE stuff."

I agree. But where the media and politicians are concerned:

Follow the money.

deertracker

You are wrong about how black people view O.J. Most have always felt he was guilty. What exactly is a white Hispanic? Is that the same as a white black guy or a white Asian? The one drop rule still applies. Your rules!

Contango

Re: "You are wrong about how black people view O.J. Most have always felt he was guilty."

Not true.

"A Washington Post survey concludes that whereas 71% of African Americans thought he was innocent of the 1994 double-murder rap at the time,"

http://www.newser.com/story/8367...

deertracker

Your stats are complete BS. I do not know a single black person that believed him to be innocent. Do you? Blacks were happy he was acquitted because there was evidence the police lied. You can't be LE and take the fifth! C'mon now!?

The Big Dog's back

It was more of an indictment of the LAPD than anything. And yes I think OJ was guilty, just like I think zim is guilty.

Contango

Re: "Your stats are complete BS"

Take it up with the WP Sport.

"I do not know a single black person that believed him to be innocent."

Anecdotal evidence. So you know EACH and EVERY black person eh? :)

deertracker

I bet I know a lot more than you pooh! I also know what it is like to be black.

KnuckleDragger

Actually the one drop rule doesn't apply. All government forms now include white-hispanic, and black-hispanic.

deertracker

Actually, the one drop rule will always apply. How many times have you heard the President referred to as half white? Your rules. Deal with it! Oh, what race is American?

The Big Dog's back

Opinions are like arse holes, everyone has one.

beepx22

So far it seems as if all the eye witnesses corroborate Zimmerman's original statement, the Star Ear Witness has been shown to be an liar, the released phsycial evidence shows that Zimmerman was on the ground being pounded. Next week will be curious, want to see what the Defense shows, but the Prosecution up to this point has done a better job of Winning for the Defense than the Defense has. If Zimmerman get's off, he should pay the prosecution for being so bad at their job.

The Big Dog's back

So let me ask you beep, if an armed Black vigilante, because that's was zim was, were to patrol Perkins or Huron, and he came across a white kid with a hoodie on and confronted him, proceded to fight with him, not even knowing if he did anything wrong, and started to get their butt kicked, would it be OK for that armed Black vigilante to shoot him?

Contango

Re: "if an armed Black vigilante"

Queue "TWILIGHT ZONE" theme music and intro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h...

The Big Dog's back

Racism in you seeping out again?

Contango

Re: "Racism in you seeping out again?"

So why do you hate Hispanics?

Maybe "cuddling up" with your dog will make you feel better. :)

The Big Dog's back

For someone who wants to exterminate all illegal Mexicans, you have no room to talk.

deertracker

You better not be a Black anything in Huron. You'd be hard pressed to see a black cat in Huron!

The Big Dog's back

LOL.

Fromthe419

Now that's some good stuff there, deertracker :)

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2cents

The black boys ride passenger seat with Lilly white girls driving in Huron, LOL so often seen!

beepx22

if a black man legally carrying a pistol was attacked by a white thug then yes he'd have every right to defend himself. i think everyone has the right to self defense

deertracker

All I really need to know is did Martin have the right to defend himself?

lmalley77

Of course Martin had the right to defend himself when he was being pursued by an armed man on a mission!!!

KnuckleDragger

Starting a fist fight with someone following you, who hasn't otherwise laid a hand on you is generally not considered self defense.

The Big Dog's back

Oh, you were there knucklehead? By all means let the court know you were there.

deertracker

What crime did Martin commit? I know it bothers you GI Joe but it is not a crime to walk while black. We tell people to be vigilant and when they are we blame them for it.

tk

All of the witnesses saw the end of the fight. The only evidence we have of who started it is from Zimmerman's own mouth when he told the 911 dispatcher that he was following Martin and he was told "We do not need you to do that". But he continued to follow Martin. There is nothing to suggest that Martin had done anything to warrant being followed.

The Big Dog's back

Exactly.

stayfit

Stand Your Ground Law - He was within his right to do so

oheaglefl

To Big Dog, if the white kid did not just go his way and not confront the black vigilante then there would have not been a fight. It goes two ways. Oh, was the black vigilante also a neighborhood watch leader or just some black vigilante roaming the streets trying to cause trouble.

deertracker

The vigilante was Zimmerman. Martin had run to the store to get some snacks before spending time with his family. It was raining so he had the hood of his hoodie covering his head. You keep trying to characterize Martin as someone he was not. The kid broke ABSOLUTELY NO LAWS that night.

The Brownie Elf

My question would be if he had time to call his scholar female friend, why didn't he have time to call the police department if he felt threatened? I would if a "cracker rapist" was following me. Let it be known, that is sworn testimony of his female friend, this does not represent my feelings or opinion towards anyone in relation to this case. Sincerely, please don't delete this comment for personal attacks.

The Big Dog's back

I know, you just can't help yourself.

deertracker

Are you referring to the same scholar friend that can speak three languages fluently? Cracker rapist? LOL!! It was "creepy cracker". Now that was funny!

The Brownie Elf

Ok, but nobody answered my question. And she mentioned rapist later in her titillating testimony.

KnuckleDragger

Don't expect deerturd to answer your question, he probably isnt even following the case, just spouting off his usual jibberish due to emotion, not fact.

deertracker

Pot meet kettle. No need to answer dumb questions. Police didn't even do their jobs after everything was over......for days!

eriemom

Just who do you think you are! This witness was reluctant because of people like you. Have you ever listened to teenagers talk? The "scholar female friend" seemed honest under oath. She told it as it happened instead of cleaning up the teenage talk.

The Brownie Elf

I'm a person who doesn't respect a witness who sounds like she has marbles in her mouth and complains when she is told she has to get on the stand again. And this is a friend of the deceased? I work with teenagers a lot so I know how they talk. Thanks.

PyrkinsPyrate

The Kid was ONLY PREPARING TO BREAK SOME LAWS. He was a violent thug that stole and attacked weaker people. What was he suspended from school for at the time of his death? He was walking around looking for homes to break into with his features concealed.

deertracker

Vote yes for Perkins Schools. PLEASE! Severely needed!

Contango

Re: "Vote yes for Perkins Schools. PLEASE! Severely needed!"

Send 'em a generous check regardless. They'll be glad to cash it.

deertracker

I can only send prayers. My children are grown! You didn't get it. As usual!

gramafun

The comment that has always bothered me was Zimmerman claiming Martin "felt" for the gun. How would Martin know he HAD a gun if he hadn't seen it?or was told about it? He wouldn't.

So since Martin was shot and killed, did Zimmerman have that gun out? Was he threatening Martin with it and Martin was defending himself due to that? Or did Martin jump Zimmerman as Zimmerman says?

Truthfully, I believe Zimmerman followed him with that gun out and this tragedy is just that.....a tragedy. A stupid, senseless tragedy that could have been prevented if Zimmerman had not followed Martin. The entire matter pivots, to me, on if that gun was unholstered while he followed Martin and if, seeing it, Travyon figured he had to do something to protect himself.

The Big Dog's back

I hear ya.

deertracker

I hear ya too!

tk

I always thought it strange that he said he was fighting for his life yet was able to pull his gun out of his holster and make a perfect shot to the heart in the dark.

The Brownie Elf

We're not talking about being on Top Shot here. On your back with someone straddling you.

Contango

The liberal Barack-holes have SPOKEN!

NO need for a trial for either Zimmerman OR Snowden.

Like good little mind-numbed Nazis, they KNOW that they are both guilty.

They'd probably prefer that they dig their own graves before execution.

The Big Dog's back

Bottle of wine, fruit of the vine
When you gonna let me get sober
Let me alone, Let me go home
Let me go back and start over

Well, I've rambled around this dirty old town
Singing for nickels and dimes
Times getting rough, I can't get enough
To buy me a little bottle of wine

Bottle of wine, fruit of the vine
When you gonna let me get sober
Let me alone, Let me go home
Let me go back and start over

Well, little hotel, older than hell
Cold as the dark in the mine
Light so dim, I had to grin
I got me a little bottle of wine

Bottle of wine, fruit of the vine
When you gonna let me get sober
Let me alone, Let me go home
Let me go back and start over

Well, the preacher will preach and the teacher will teach
The miner will dig in the mine
I ride the rods, trusting in God
Huggin' my little bottle of wine

Bottle of wine, fruit of the vine
When you gonna let me get sober
Let me alone, Let me go home
Let me go back and start over

Well, pain in my head, bugs in my bed
Pants so old that they shine
Out on the street, I tell the people I meet
To buy me a little bottle of wine

Bottle of wine, fruit of the vine
When you gonna let me get sober
Let me alone, Let me go home
Let me go back and start over

Bottle of wine, fruit of the vine
When you gonna let me get sober

pooh's song.

deertracker

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

44846GWP

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OMG.LOL.WT_

I'm glad you commentators have it all figured out. I will wait for the verdict.

stayfit

Martin's own family claims this isn't about race.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/...

The Big Dog's back

And if they said it was about race would you agree?

stayfit

To be honest, I think I made up my mind prior to that this was not a race issue. I think it speaks volume of the character of the family more than anything.

KURTje

The parade has long passed him. I feel he is just a bitter old man.

oheaglefl

If you listened to his friend Rachel, she said Trayvon called Zimmerman and creepy azz cracker and later she said he also used the "N" word to describe him and that he thought he was a rapist.She also said she heard the scuffle and yells, yet her phone disconnected when Martin said "what you following me for" and Zimmerman said "what are you doing here" and when she tried to call back got no answer. So how did she hear anything else. She said she heard the sound of wet grass, still trying to figure out what wet grass sounds like.
If you watched that chick on the stand she was rude,nasty with a major attitude and changed her story more than once.
Also, concerning the gun. Zimmerman said when he was on the ground that his jacket opened up and Martin saw his gun and was trying to reach for it and in order to stop him he grabbed it instead.
The police officer Smith also said all Zimmerman did was raise his arm and he could see the gun in the holster.
also, Martin was a cocaine user. The judge ruled against letting them use his medical records in court, but now that they did Zimmermans, maybe they will then allow his and you will see he wasn't the saint that everyone thinks he was.

eriemom

None of the witnesses have testified that the fight took place on concrete. In fact, one of the police officers testified that Zimmerman had grass stains and his back seemed to be more wet than his front. Another witness testified that the person on top was using martial arts on the person on the bottom. Zimmerman stated that he had been working out three times a week using "mixed martial arts."

I think that I would be creeped out if I were walking alone and somebody was following me--so yes, creepy cracker.

stayfit

For the people who have used racial slurs toward any race in this comment forum, you should be ashamed of yourself. You are the same content of people that slow progress in this country. I have seen "Cr**ker enough. I haven't seen a racial slur used against another race in this (yet), thankfully.

sandtown born a...

RACISTS of all colors commenting on this like it was them in the situation. SAD is all that I can say. Just because your not white doesn't make you any less of a RACIST

oheaglefl

When Zimmerman asked Martin what he was doing around here, why didn't he simply say "my dad's girlfriend lives here and I am on my way there". Maybe things would have been different.

The Big Dog's back

How do you know he didn't say that?

deertracker

Yes, let us all bow down! He was not breaking ANY laws. What part of that can you not comprehend!?

beepx22

neither of them had broke any laws up to that point.

Contango

It amazes to me that so many empty-headed liberal commenters KNOW POSITIVELY, Mr. Zimmerman's actions, intent, guilt and societal reactions to the trial's outcome based solely on selective and often biased TV and print interviews in addition to second and third hand media reports, analysis and sometimes just plain "guess work."

Truly a “dumbed down” society approaching an Idiocracy.

The Big Dog's back

911 dispatcher told him not to confront him, FACT in evidence. His own HOA rules say not confront a person, FACT in evidence.

The Big Dog's back

If you're trying to prove you're racist pooh, no need, we already know.

deertracker

Yes we do!

sandtown born a...

Dog and Deer have the nerve to call someone else racist now that's a joke in itself

The Big Dog's back

Really? How so.

deertracker

Nothing like calling it like it is! Are you a racist?

deertracker

Exactly who did I call a racist? Like I said before, I don't care who is or is not a racist. There are no laws against being racist. Just OWN IT!!!!!

Contango

Obviously the race-baiters took this story and played it to their selective group of shallow thinkers for all it's worth.

And meanwhile: How many were killed and wounded as of the result of black-on-black crime in Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland and other major American cities over the weekend and the national news media is MIA?

sandtown born a...

That's normal operating procedure for the media. One sided as most of the bloggers on here

The Big Dog's back

And you're not race baiting? Oh, OK.

Contango

Yep! No liberal race-baiting for the small minded haters here:

"Rep. Bobby Rush (D-Ill.) was chided and escorted from the House floor Wednesday morning for wearing a gray hoodie and sunglasses while delivering a rousing speech about the need for a full investigation into the shooting death of Florida teen Trayvon Martin."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/bl...

sandtown born a...

My dads black and my mom white. If you want to meet a racist that would be my father truth is you probably already know him. My mother taught me right from wrong without race being included in the lessons. It turns my stomach to see the way some of you spew your one sided views.

Contango

I have a black nephew and a black grandniece and grandnephew.

We get along great!

My grandnephew received a college scholarship to play basketball. The kid's got a good head on his shoulders. His favorite subject is Math.

I have great hopes for him.

deertracker

Big deal! What exactly is your points? I have two children that are half white. Now what?????????????

Contango

Re: "I have two children that are half white."

So what?

deertracker

Exactly!!! So what????????????????? A little jungle fever is in us all! Ask a sibling if you don't believe me!

sandtown born a...

Are they half white or half black or just biracial ? Saying half white makes you sound racist as someone saying they have black friends

deertracker

My kids are black and they will quickly correct you if you suggest otherwise! I do have white friends though. Employed quite a few too back in the day

Contango

Re: "I do have white friends though."

So what?

Does that 'somehow' make you less of a narrow-minded bigot & racist?

You & Big DERP are the only ones throwing racial hatred around here.

2cents's picture
2cents

Driving around Huron again : )

deertracker

ONLY after dark!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

deertracker

How many dads do you have?

sandtown born a...

At least I know mine

deertracker

You sure???? Ask your black dad what color you are.

Contango

Re: "what color you are."

And race should be important why?

Didn't MLK advocate a colorblind society? Works for me.

You poor, poor thing.

deertracker

No he didn't. He advocated for a equal society. You poor, poor thing. I know you think you know ALL there is to know about blacks but as usual, YOU DON'T!

The Big Dog's back

I don't buy it for a minute.

sandtown born a...

My point is I consider myself bi racial not half anything and growing up seeing the bigoted views of the black community helps me to see the real racists.

deertracker

You can consider yourself a messiah. America considers you BLACK. Acting white or whitish is not going to change that. What up bro????

Contango

Re: "Acting white or whitish is not going to change that."

And studious, high achieving blacks never get attacked by their peers?

Whine, whine, whine.

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