LETTER: Canada knows health care

Want an answer to the health care dilemma? Ask any Canadian -- they're only a few miles across the lake from Sandusky. If they get s
Sandusky Register Staff
May 13, 2010

Want an answer to the health care dilemma? Ask any Canadian -- they're only a few miles across the lake from Sandusky. If they get sick: they walk into a healthcare provider, they get treated, they walk out -- without a thought about money, because it's all free. For every single Canadian.

They don't worry about finding a plan with a level of coverage they can afford. Or losing their house to pay for one extended stay in the hospital. Or what they'll do for health care when they get older. They just get it.

Occasionally they wait for a complicated procedure, but they don't have an insurance company telling them that they'll have to die because treatment's too expensive. No worrying about insurance exchanges or public options -- it's all one big public option.

Before the hate mail from right wingnuts begins arriving at my house -- no, I'm not going up there to live if I don't like it down here, and no, Canada's isn't more expensive than the true cost of health care in the U.S. if you factor in everybody turned down by insurance, those who can't afford it, the high deductibles, out-of-network charges and procedures that aren't covered.

We need to fix it here, like they did in Canada, Europe and countries where corporations don't control their citizens' healthcare -- where people's number one worry isn't whether they'll go bankrupt if they get sick -- where they are happy to pay a few cents more for a candy bar if it keeps them from losing their house over medical bills.

Put Congress on the same health care as the rest of us and watch how fast they "socialize" health care. They could hitch a ride with the seniors who bus to Canada for prescriptions, if they want to see for themselves.

Gary Polvinale

Sandusky

Comments

AnAmerican

" This is what I find ironic. All you 60's hippies that hated the government are now proposing government run healthcare. What do you know that we don't? "

How would you propose we pay for things if not with money? With good intentions?

There is no such thing as free healthcare. Someone has to pay for it. After all, who's going to pay the union dues for all the new public employees in the system? "

" WHAT IS WRONG WITH PROFIT!?!?!?!?!?!

My GOD what has this country come to that people are chastised for making money? Without profit, there is no motive for innovation. "

Well said friend! Exactly what I was thinking but unable to find the words...thank you :)

Richard Bebb

B.S. =

Thank you for proving my point, you have NO answer for the failed government programs of the past, and have NO legitimate argument as to why government run health care would be any different.

Glad to see that you are embracing conservative principals finally.

brutus smith

Richard, I've been paying taxes longer than you've been alive.

Richard Bebb

B.S.

Ill lay it out for you again - why should we allow the government to take over our health care when the laundry list of failed government programs grows daily... ie .. usps, medicare, medicaid, social security. Its not a tax dollar issue, its common sense. Unless you dont have a problem with your tax dollars (which you dont pay) going towards failed programs and subsides for those who have no desire to better themselves.

Now that is a very direct question, can you answer it ??????????????????????

friend

brutus,

I tried to ship a package from Ohio to Seattle. The Post Office wanted $40 and couldn't guarantee when it would be delivered and offered no tracking. UPS shipped it for $28, guaranteed the delivery date, and I could track it.

Even with all the protections given our Postal Service, they couldn't beat the private company.

brutus smith

Bichard Rebb, how is it changing the subject when I say where I would rather see my tax dollars go to???? And you might get away with your bullying tactics at home but not here, so keep it civil. And friend, people long before you and I thought it better for the public to handle our mail delivery than a private company.

friend

WHAT IS WRONG WITH PROFIT!?!?!?!?!?!

My GOD what has this country come to that people are chastised for making money? Without profit, there is no motive for innovation.

stormy

I've spent a lot of time in Canada. Yes, their single payor system works for them, to a degree.

But no, it ain't free. It's paid for with very high taxes. Those who enjoy perfect health, who virtually never go to a doctor, get hosed into paying for everyone else.

Also, it ain't perfect. There IS rationing, and there ARE long waits, especially for expensive or highly specialized procedures. And that's in a country with one-tenth of our population. Transplant that system into a nation of 300 million people, with a government that raises inefficiency to an art form, and it would be a disaster.

Sorry Gary; it wouldn't work here.

Richard Bebb

B.S. aka Copy and Paste -

A. You don't pay taxes, because you don't have a job

B. I find it laughable that you cant address FACTS ie.. the failed usps and other government programs, so you change the subject with inane lib talking points

C. I await your next talking point or your next post of someone else's thoughts

brutus smith

Bichard Rebb, I'd rather see my tax dollars go for public service than Corporate welfare.

Richard Bebb

Copy and Paste Smith -

" They are not out to make a profit. They are providing a service at a reasonable rate. Would you rather pay $5.00 to mail a bill or letter?"

No kidding, the problem is they are posting almost 4 billion a year in losses.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US...

That was the point of friend's comment, the usps is another example of a failed government program. Are these the people you want in control of your health care ???

That was a rhetorical question not directed at you Copy and Paste, we all know you want more handouts for nothing. Get a job.

brutus smith

They are not out to make a profit. They are providing a service at a reasonable rate. Would you rather pay $5.00 to mail a bill or letter? Would you rather have 20% interest rates for home loans???

friend

Another government agency is now making cutbacks. The USPS has been recomended to cut back delivery to 5 days a week AND raise stamp prices.

Can't wait to have these people in charge of health care.

USPS, Amtrak, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac. All TREMENDOUS successes on the part of the Federal Government.

Factitious

I my infrequent travels to Canada, I've made it a point, whenever the opportunity arises, to ask people what they think of their health care. I've NEVER heard a complaint; it's always one of two answers, to the effect of: "I don't think about it much; if I get sick, I get what I need," or "DON'T EVEN THINK about taking away our health care, it great!"

As far a I can tell, Canadian who com to the US for care are subjects of "triage," i.e., in Canada the 23-year-old crash victim gets the liver transplant before 82-year-old obese alcoholic.

Factitious

I am acquainted with a US citizen who was horribly injured in a accident in Canada, who expresses amazement at the quality of care received there, and who never got a bill.

libertarian

Like I said before: You don't even have to move to Canada to have your health care system. Just start a health care cooperative here based on the health care bill you promote and invite others who feel the same to join the cooperative with you. That way you can have your health care system without violating mr natural rights or the natural rights your fellow citizens and neighbors. Then if your system is good and succeeds, it will grow and prosper and everyone will join it. What are you afraid of-that nobody would voluntarly join your system after they saw how it worked?

I the meantime, don't be a collectivist thug and let the rest of us make our own decisions.

observer

I've known about Mr. Polvinale for awhile now, and he makes Obama look like a conservative. Definitely a weird guy.

friend

You could get a job and get insurance Brutus. You could get a job and get insurance Brutus. Need I go on????

ottonut44

Gary, you must be under 15 years old to display such naivety. Ever live in Canada, probably not. I have lived there and been subjected to their "free" healthcare system. Just remember, you get what you pay for. If you are having a major procedure you wait in line and wait in line and wait in line and sometimes you die before you get treated.

Let's talk about your definition of "free." You really are a putz. Now, if you are unemployed and not paying any taxes, it's free!!! But compare the tax rate of Canada to the United States....it's twice as high. But again, if you are a welfare slug, you are paid for by all the people that work, aft least for a year...then you are on your own.

Been there, done that, and I wouldn't trade our system for theirs for all the tea in China, and if you had an relevant knowledge or experience, you wouldn't either. If you don't like our system, the Pelee Islander can take you over there for your medical needs.

brutus smith

You cannot be diagnosed for cancer in the ER Richard. You can't get cancer treatments in the ER Richard. You want me to go on?????

Richard Bebb

If you dont have a problem with the canadian model of inferior care and rationing then that is on you. If you believe that our government should take over 1/6 of our economy then that is on you. This is nothing more than a attempted power grab by the left to ensure a voting bloc at the expense of our personal liberties.

Its a silly argument to say that a person cannot get care in this country. Anyone can walk into an emergency room or call an ambulance and you will not be denied. The programs that we currently use in this country ie.. medicare and medicaid are running unsustainable debt. Do any of you really truly believe that we would be able to add 30 million more to these programs that are already going broke. There is better ways to insure those who are uninsured that dont include a government takeover.

Duhast

Why don't you guys do some research before we go back and forth on canned taling points.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/i...

friend

How would you propose we pay for things if not with money? With good intentions?

There is no such thing as free healthcare. Someone has to pay for it. After all, who's going to pay the union dues for all the new public employees in the system?

brutus smith

Richard, nobody said we didn't have the best Healthcare money can buy. If you have MONEY!!!!

Duhast

My wife has a family member that went to England to get a medical procedure done. That MUST mean that the UK health system is better, right? These anecdotal arguments are getting old. Canada = Universal coverage with option of buying private insurance. US = fend for yourself and if you can’t afford it, too bad.

Chung Lee

Chung Lee meant to say 1 in 5 and not 1 in 4 so 20% is correct number.

Chung Lee

Chung Lee must say that once again Winston is acting like he know what he talking about. Chung Lee would think Winston would check the facts before he tells us his "facts". It appear that facts are an acronym (Fails Again Changing Truth Significantly) Winston said:

"Apples and oranges Mr. Polvinale; for a couple of things, Canada has a small and mostly homogeneous population.

On the other hand, the U.S. has a large and highly diversified population."

Well the fact indicate otherwise. First of all Quebec has two official languages (French and English). Hardly a sing of being homogeneous. Secondly,1 in 4 are foreign born. So 20% of the population was born outside the country but they are just like the rest of the Canadian population? Lastly, two of the largest cities in Canada have minority populations of 51% and 47%. Chung Lee pretty sure that Winston sounds like he is a "homo genius".

Hey Richard so you want to talk about rationing? What you have to say about our system that denies care if no money. 45,000 people died last year in the US because they couldn't afford to get well.

Richard Bebb

Yeah, yeah, yeah the Canadian socialist health care is the best in the world blah blah. If that were so why did a Canadian premier come to the United States for health care ????????

http://biggovernment.com/publius...

Maybe he didnt feel like being put on a waiting list for months when he could come to America and have the procedure done before lunch.

But no if America adopted the Canadian model it wouldnt lead to the rationing of care.......
" Like other nations experiencing limitless demand, and ageing population and the costly advance of medical technology, Canada has faced pressure to control health expenditure. It has done so through explicit rationing."

http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/Ca...

duhast -
Medicare is broke, how do you propose fixing and expanding it by 30 million people, its a pipe dream my friend.

friend

This is what I find ironic. All you 60's hippies that hated the government are now proposing government run healthcare. What do you know that we don't?

Duhast

We have a single payer Canadian system. It’s called Medicare. Fix it and expand it.

Friend,
I have also spoken to Canadians about their health system. Most were very happy with it and couldn’t imagine not having it. See, we can all find anecdotes to support our side. From personal experience, the one Canadian I know that doesn’t like it has lived here for over 20 years. Ironically, his parents won’t visit because they are afraid of something happening to them while they are here and without insurance. While you can find Canadians that do not like their system, it’s become a matter of national pride and they make fun of us for not having it.

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