SANDERS: Just do it, Mr. President

By RUFUS G.W. SANDERS, Register columnist Finally the time has come for this country to do what
Sandusky Register Staff
May 13, 2010

By RUFUS G.W. SANDERS, Register columnist

Finally the time has come for this country to do what it has been trying to do for the last 100 years: Pass a national health care bill that will ensure the bulk of the American public is afforded the Constitutional promise of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness -- and, might I add, decent health care. It is a shame it has taken this country this long to come to this point. Of all the industrialized countries in the world only America has no national health care plan. That is moral perversity, a travesty and a social insult to the very principles of democracy.

On Thursday President Obama, along with the Democratic leadership, met with would-be obstructionists to discuss what will be the most important social legislation in this nation's history since Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education. He laid out the most clear, civil, and fair arguments one could make as to why all Americans should be entitled to health care. If the issue of health care is not solved, this country -- in a very short period, like when the president was forced to infuse the economy with stimulus money -- is heading for major economical collapse. He ended the meeting by conveying to the obstructionists if they have a better plan -- then lead us!

It's no secret historic conservatives have always been opposed to programs which generally benefit the entire American people. They tend to represent the elite segment of capitalism who, many more times than not, have sacrificed the weak, tired, poor, hungry and disenfranchised amongst us to bolster their own status and philosophy of strong rugged American independence. By doing so, they have committed genocide against Native Americans, enslaved Black Americans, isolated Hispanic Americans and ostracized Asian Americans, all in the name of democracy.

The president's bill, for sure, has problems. But it is innovative and creative enough to at least guarantee the subsidy of health care coverage for 30 million Americans who presently are without it. He knows the major concern in this capitalistic society is that insurance and pharmaceutical companies will suffer from government-mandated health care, but any thinking person also knows it's the insurance and pharmaceutical companies who kill us with exorbitant prices, along with their rules which discriminate by deciding who can live and who must die. The president simply proposes to regulate them before they begin to turn on themselves in the process of killing us all.

Then there is the fear this bill will really be about redistribution of wealth to the tune of $200 billion to help pay for the working poor's insurance. Well, to that I say: It is the working poor whose cheap labor allows 10 percent of this population to control 90 percent of the assets and wealth. Maybe after 234 years, we need a redistribution of wealth and power. When the obstructionists wanted to wage two undeclared wars at the same time, all while saber rattling with Iran and North Korea, we heard not one peep from them as to the astronomical cost of funding not only their folly and foolishness.

The president's plan would not only cover 30 million presently uninsured and under-insured; it would also reduce future deficits and control medical costs through the meager regulation of the industry. Most important is the oversight of excessive premium increases. He would alleviate the gap created by Medicare's drug coverage program which prohibits many elderly patients from paying for their medicines. He would even help states that say they can't afford to expand their Medicaid Plan.

The president's plan is not perfect and it is costly, but we must begin somewhere and we must start now. The obstructionists will not reduce the number of uninsured and they will not provide for affordable insurance for people with pre-existing conditions, something we all will eventually have. And they make no real provisions at reigning in cost. The independent office of the budget declares the president's plan really is the best plan, even with its flaws. But it will eventually reduce the national deficit by $100 billion.

So if these obstructionists are really concerned about real reform, they must put their ideas on the table. Stop being "busters." Give this guy a chance. He is willing to work with you.

Mr. President, this will be our last chance probably for some time to fix this thing, and it's in the best interest of our country. So go for it! All that it takes is a majority vote for passage in the Senate. You have that majority of votes. They know it. You know it! And we know it! So just do It! Pull the reconcilation trigger! Pass this bill! It's their health as well we are talking about. The day will come when they will need health care reform too.

Comments

goofus

Digger, can you believe the claptrap from the local leftists comparing our presidents to Sadam Hussein. Speaks volumes as to who we are up against. Imagine defending a dictator who daily took viagra so as to be able to rape when he felt like it. These leftists are actually defending Sadam, what's next Hitler had a little problem relating to Jews?

brutus smith

What about Kent State goofus??? Was Nixon a brutal dictator????? Did he commit crimes against humanity??? We won't even mention what GWB did.

brutus smith

goofus, how come you never talk about that other Muslim guy, you know the one who attacked our country and was, is, a Bush family friend????? You know Osama bin Laden????????

digger nick

OMG Goofus Please do not confuse Chung Lee with the truth!

mkb

bailey

how dare you imply that Dr. Sanders does not belong here in America and that he should leave. He is just as much an American citizen as you are. His ancestors never asked to come here, but was forced, but once they got here they gave their blood, sweat and tears and even their lives to make this country what it is.....his love for this country is just as deep as yours. For you to imply anything difference might into question who you really are and what you are all about.....Maybe its you that should leave!

brutus smith

So goofus did Lincoln commit War crimes during our Civil War???? Was he a brutal dictator?????

goofus

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goofus

Thanks Bailey for the hat tip. With Sherrod Brown being pointed out as the most liberal senator, It makes one wonder about the mentality and sanity of the Ohio electorate. I think the majority of Ohio's electorate have been under generational welfare and entitlements way too long.

Bailey

71 Representatives’ are members of the DSA and there are 11 on the Judiciary Committee (Democratic Socialists of America)
Read the DSA's directive and you have a vivid image of Sanders. DSA's main objective is Economic Redistribution of wealth, and the BEST way to do this is mandatory health care! I guess this is why Sanders worships Obama and he ignores or possibly is incapable of understanding economics since it is projected that Obama's agenda is anticipated to increase the debt by 9,7 TRILLION dollars by 2020! Only the foolish would support such stupidity and ignorance.
These 'Representatives took an OATH to SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION but are really SOCIALISTS that do not believe in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Socialists do not believe in freedoms of ownership, just like Sanders doesn’t believe we have the right to our OWN course in life without government dictations. Obama's 9th Circuit Nominee Goodwin Liu said that the “Constitution Must Adapt to Changes in the World”…... WAIT A MINUTE, WHY DOES OUR CONSTITUTION HAVE TO CONFORM? Let the world conform to US, the greatest nation in the world, at least for the moment! Sander’s desires us to conform to the rest of the world and destroy us as a nation. He believes in the DSA’s agenda of redistribution of wealth.

I don’t think there is anyone I detest more than Sanders, he twists things and uses partial truths and slides under the radar without being detected as a Socialist or a racist. Goes to show what an education provides if you twist what you are taught to fit your discriminations and to control everyone in all area’s of life.
Sanders, PLEASE move to Russia or North Korea and leave this country alone! You don’t belong here.
In Ohio we sadly have 3 'representatives' that are members of the DSA:

Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)
Marcia L. Fudge (OH-11)
Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)

digger nick

Chung, now that your horse's rear is at the troth lets see if we can educate you to the truth. Only a fool would believe much of anything out of a web site that is solely generated out of the Catholic church who for decades buried the shame and truth of the abuse of their own clergy. aside from purely lacing credibility of any means, it's more like the fox guarding the hen house.

As far as a double wide trailer, the only thing it would have in common with this conversation would be me reviewing your rental application which I would most likely deny for your simple lack of stupidity. You can point to all of the polls you wish, there are just as many that point the other way as they can be manipulated as easy as you.

Quite clearly I (and the majority of people in the USA) are unhappy with Obozo's leadership.

Here's a poll back at you: http://www.gallup.com/poll/11647...

Please note your boy Obozo enjoys the record fort he lowest approval rating for the last 20 years or so of any sitting president after 2 years of office. AS far as a foreign country Chung I do very well. With homes in two other countries I am sure I could school you in international relations but why bother.

Barack Obama Presidential Job Approval

Barack Obama's Daily Job Approval Trend

Barack Obama's Job Approval Average by Subgroup

Barack Obama's Most Recent Weekly Approval Rating Average
50%

(Feb 22-28, 2010)

Barack Obama's Term Average:
57%

Barack Obama's High Point:
69%

(Jan 22-24, 2009)

Barack Obama's Low Point:
47%

(several times -- most recent:
Jan 27-29, 2010)

Average for U.S. Presidents Since Franklin D. Roosevelt:
55%

Average for Elected Presidents' Fifth Quarter:
60%

Other Elected Presidents in March of Second Year:

George W. Bush
79%

(March 2002)

Bill Clinton
51%

(March 1994)

George H.W. Bush
71%

(March 1990)

libertarian

brutus smith wrote: "Libertarian, It's not the Communist party who owns and controls the wealth here."

I never said the communist party owned the wealth her and it has nothing to do with anything in my post. Are you really this illiterate?

The pathetic leftwingnut collectivist thugs also said: "You know it's useless to have a debate with you because when you are proven wrong, like this instance, you basically ignore it and go on to claim everything you say is true with no basis."

You've proven nothing wrong. Name one thing your've proven wrong. All you do is claim you've prove me wrong without any evidence. Same with your and MHL's childish claims about my not being a libertarian. What a moronic collectivist thug couple of losers.

Shame on you. All moral people should shame and ostracize collectivist/government thug.

Chung Lee

Well Digger, Chung Lee will try to cure your ignorance but Chung know that you can lead a horse (in this case a horse's rear quarter) to water but can't make them drink. Clearly, you got your "facts" or "talking points" mixed up. Iraq was one of the more liberal muslim countries where women had rights under Saddam. Saddam persecuted the Christians in Iraq? So you know more than the Catholic Church because they claimed that Christians were safer under Saddam than they are now. Here is a link for you Sparky

http://www.catholicnews.com/data...

So some guys trying to tell you that the Iraqis look at us a liberators and these guys are trying to draw investment to Iraq? Digger didn't you hear this line before when the real estate agent told you that nobody would laugh at you for living in a trailer park because you had a double-wide and a carport? Seriously, did the thought ever cross your simple mind that they were selling you a line of B-S. How about providing some facts instead of saying "some guy at some meeting"? Seriously, how credible is that? Here is a link to some polls. Maybe you can rely on some facts instead of just your talking points and opinions.

http://www.iraqanalysis.org/info/55

Now why do you want Chung Lee go back to China? You clearly are the unhappy one. You are the one with the problem with the leadership of this country. Seems strange that you think Chung Lee should be the one to leave. Unfortunately Chung Lee pretty sure by your jingoistic banter that you think Americans are better than everyone else and you know you would not do well in foreign country. Maybe you could just join one of those red-neck militias and hang out with a bunch of dudes with guns in the woods. Chung Lee think that would be your fantasy!

digger nick

@MHL

I am sorry you intellectual level does not allow you to engage in an enlightened discussion with me. My fact speak for themselves not to mention your liberal Dumbocrats are falling like flies on a ten day old watermelon.

I have proffered this bet before, yet none of you Liberals take me up on it? Are you insecure? here we go again, If there is not a significant shift of 20% or more from Democrats to Republican in the next November Election, I will publicly say Chung Less has more than half a brain and that you liberals really got it right. If there is 20% or more loss of seats from Democrats to Republicans then you agree to shut up and stop posting as well.

After all, Clearly you cannot argue we Republicans control all the wealth that is all of your so called top 105 and have enough votes to make this happen unless we are right?

Or can you? LOL

I think it just pi$$es you all off that we are able to earn more, report less and veto your CZARS Rob the rich to pay the poor mentality.

Get over that, it's not going to change.

MHL

Brutus my man: I got to give you credit. I do not have the time energy or patience to deal with the likes of Digger or goofus, but you keep slammimg them with facts. Well Done!!!

The problem is facts have always had a liberal bias. You can`t get through to them.

Digger: Come on man ,you can`t possib
ly be that naive. Do you believe 10 % of your BS?

Libertarian: I thought I put your phoniness to rest days ago. Well none the less my favorite Libertarian Bill Maher comes on in 15 minutes so I`m out for now.

digger nick

Oh Chung, hail to the enlightened one. Let me guess your narrow mind thinks we went to Iraq to steal the oil right?

That's the problem with people like you Chung, you comment on issues you never really took the time to understand let alone properly evaluate. Before the arrival of Islam in the 7th century AD, a large part of the Kurdish population practiced Christianity, which was scorned and lead to their death in massive numbers.

If you left wing nutcase's took the time to understand the babble you spew forth, perhaps your numbers would not be dwindling as fast as they are. Just this week you lost 3, Rangle being one of the most prominent.

It does not take much to be "Dumber than Chung Lee thought" as it appears rare Chung Lee things at all.

Interestingly enough, I was at a meeting of investors recently where there were several members of the Iraq Ministry of Development in attendance encouraging American companies to develop and franchise in Iraq.

The general view of the USA of the people of Iraq is that of liberators. Yes Chung Lee I am sure it is hard fro you to fathom women being able to speak freely, expose their face, and even VOTE!!! But this is all now possible.

Idiots like you, who live in a micro economic bubble in a macro economic world are the root of the lunacy that undermines all the good that the USA in fact does do.

If you are not happy with the direction of the country go back to China, Tiananmen square should be a vivid remider of why your right to post your stupidiity in the USA is toledrated. It would not be in China. Are you perhaps from Florida? Because you sure appear to put the "Duh" in Florida

brutus smith

Libertarian, It's not the Communist party who owns and controls the wealth here. You know it's useless to have a debate with you because when you are proven wrong, like this instance, you basically ignore it and go on to claim everything you say is true with no basis. By the way please change your name because you give people the wrong impression. You know and I know you are no Libertarian, but just another right wingnut.

libertarian

brutus smith wrote: "Libertarian, other than a bunch of babbling, you forgot to add facts and proof to your statements. You must like reading your regurgitated talking points."

Exactly what in my post wasn't factual? You've been unable to demonstrate one error in any of my posts. It should be easy if my posts are just "babbling" and "regurgitated talking points". In fact, you've only factually challenged any of my post once and got your butt handed to you. Now you resort to countering with your absurd leftwingnut collectivst thug drivel that the above post is an example of.

Chung Lee

Hey Digger instead of Chung Lee going back to China.....why don't Digger go to Iraq since it is such a nice place to live now. We both know the Iraq War had nothing do do about Saddam killing his people. Seriously, are we supposed to believe that right wing whack jobs like yourself think this was done to save the lives of Muslim people? You are dumber than Chung Lee thought. Maybe you should just stick to your talking points because it is clear you are not capable of thinking for yourself.

brutus smith

THE ECONOMY

39. President Bush's top economic adviser, Greg Mankiw, said the outsourcing of American jobs abroad was "a plus for the economy in the long run."

Source: CBS News

40. The Bush Administration turned a $236 billion surplus into a $422 billion deficit.

Sources: Fortune, dfw.com

41. The Bush Administration implemented regulations that made millions of workers ineligible for overtime pay.

Source: epinet.org

42. The Bush Administration has crippled state budgets by underfunding federal mandates by $175 billion.

Source: cbpp.org

43. President Bush is the first President since Herbert Hoover to have a net loss of jobs--around 800,000--over a four-year term.

Source: The Guardian

44. The Bush Administration gave Accenture a multibillion-dollar border control contract even though the company moved its operations to Bermuda to avoid paying taxes.

Sources: New York Times, cantonrep.com

45. In 2000, candidate George W. Bush said "the vast majority of my tax cuts go to the bottom end of the spectrum." He passed the tax cuts, but the top 20 percent of earners received 68 percent of the benefits.

Sources: cbpp.org, vote-smart.org

46. In 2000, candidate George W. Bush promised to pay down the national debt to a historically low level. As of September 30, the national debt stood at $7,379,052,696,330.32, a record high.

Sources: www.georgewbush.com , Bureau of the Public Debt

47. As major corporate scandals rocked the nation's economy, the Bush Administration reduced the enforcement of corporate tax law--conducting fewer audits, imposing fewer penalties, pursuing fewer prosecutions and making virtually no effort to prosecute corporate tax crimes.

Source: iht.com

48. The Bush Administration increased tax audits for the working poor.

Source: theolympian.com

49. In 2000, candidate George W. Bush promised to protect the Social Security surplus. As President, he spent all of it.

Sources: georgewbush.com, Congressional Budget Office

50. The Bush Administration proposed slashing funding for the largest federal public housing program, putting 2 million families in danger of losing their housing.

Source: San Francisco Examiner

51. The Bush Administration did nothing to prevent the minimum wage from falling to an inflation-adjusted fifty-year low.

Source: Los Angeles Times

Had enough nick?

brutus smith

CRONYISM AND CORRUPTION

30. The Bush Administration awarded a multibillion-dollar no-bid contract to Halliburton--a company that still pays Vice President Cheney hundreds of thousands of dollars in deferred compensation each year (Cheney also has Halliburton stock options). The company then repeatedly overcharged the military for services, accepted kickbacks from subcontractors and served troops dirty food.

Sources: The Washington Post, The Taipei Times, BBC News

31. The Bush Administration told Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan about plans to go to war with Iraq before telling Secretary of State Colin Powell.

Source: detnews.com

32. The Bush Administration relentlessly pushed an energy bill containing $23.5 billion in corporate tax breaks, much of which would have benefited major campaign contributors.

taxpayer.net, Washington Post

33. The Bush Administration paid Iraqi-exile and neocon darling Ahmad Chalabi $400,000 a month for intelligence, including fabricated claims about Iraqi WMD. It continued to pay him for months after discovering that he was providing inaccurate information.

Source: MSNBC

34. The Bush Administration installed as top officials more than 100 former lobbyists, attorneys or spokespeople for the industries they oversee.

Source: Source: commondreams.org

35. The Bush Administration let disgraced Enron CEO Ken Lay--a close friend of President Bush--help write its energy policy.

Source: MSNBC

36. Top Bush Administration officials accepted $127,600 in jewelry and other presents from the Saudi royal family in 2003, including diamond-and-sapphire jewelry valued at $95,500 for First Lady Laura Bush.

Source: Seattle Times

37. Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge awarded lucrative contracts to several companies in which he is an investor, including Microsoft, GE, Sprint, Pfizer and Oracle.

Source: cq.com

38. President Bush used images of firefighters carrying flag-draped coffins through the rubble of the World Trade Center to score political points in a campaign advertisement.

Source: Washington Post

brutus smith

NATIONAL SECURITY

26. During the Bush Administration, North Korea quadrupled its suspected nuclear arsenal from two to eight weapons.

Source: New York Times

27. The Bush Administration has openly opposed the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, undermining nuclear nonproliferation efforts.

Source: commondreams.org

28. The Bush Administration has spent $7 billion this year--and plans to spend $10 billion next year--for a missile defense system that has never worked in a test that wasn't rigged.

Sources: www.gao.gov/new.items/d04409.pdf, Los Angeles Times

29. The Bush Administration underfunded the needs of the nation's first responders by $98 billion, according to a Council on Foreign Relations study.

Source: nationaldefensemagazine.org

brutus smith

ERRORISM

12. After receiving a memo from the CIA in August 2001 titled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack America," President Bush continued his monthlong vacation.

Source: CNN.com

13. The Bush Administration failed to commit enough troops to capture Osama bin Laden when US forces had him cornered in the Tora Bora region of Afghanistan in November 2001. Instead, they relied on local warlords.

Source: csmonitor.com

14. The Bush Administration secured less nuclear material from sites around the world vulnerable to terrorists in the two years after 9/11 than were secured in the two years before 9/11.

Source: nti.org

15. The Bush Administration underfunded Nunn-Lugar--the program intended to keep the former Soviet Union's nuclear legacy out of the hands of terrorists and rogue states--by $45.5 million.

Source: armscontrol.org

16. The Bush Administration has assigned five times as many agents to investigate Cuban embargo violations as it has to track Osama bin Laden's and Saddam Hussein's money.

Source: Associated Press

17. According to Congressional Research Service data, the Bush Administration has underfunded security at the nation's ports by more than $1 billion for fiscal year 2005.

Source: American Progress

18. The Bush Administration did not devote the resources necessary to prevent a resurgence in the production of poppies, the raw material used to create heroin, in Afghanistan--creating a potent new source of financing for terrorists.

Source: Pakistan Tribune

19. Vice President Cheney told voters that unless they elect George Bush in November, "we'll get hit again" by terrorists.

Source: Washington Post

20. Even though an Al Qaeda training manual suggests terrorists come to the United States and buy assault weapons, the Bush Administration did nothing to prevent the expiration of the ban.

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

21. Despite repeated calls for reinforcements, there are fewer experienced CIA agents assigned to the unit dealing with Osama bin Laden now than there were before 9/11.

Source: New York Times

22. Before 9/11, John Ashcroft proposed slashing counterterrorism funding by 23 percent.

Source: americanprogress.org

23. Between January 20, 2001, and September 10, 2001, the Bush Administration publicly mentioned Al Qaeda one time.

Source: commondreams.org

24. The Bush Administration granted the 9/11 Commission $3 million to investigate the September 11 attacks and $50 million to the commission that investigated the Columbia space shuttle crash.

Source: commondreams.org

25. More than three years after 9/11, just 5 percent of all cargo--including cargo transported on passenger planes--is screened.

Source: commondreams.org

brutus smith

Ahhh nick, it seems you have jumped off the right wing ledge again.

IRAQ

1. The Bush Administration has spent more than $140 billion on a war of choice in Iraq.

Source: American Progress

2. The Bush Administration sent troops into battle without adequate body armor or armored Humvees.

Sources: Fox News, Boston Globe

3. The Bush Administration ignored estimates from Gen. Eric Shinseki that several hundred thousand troops would be required to secure Iraq.

Source: PBS

4. Vice President Cheney said Americans "will, in fact, be greeted as liberators" in Iraq.

Source: Washington Post

5. During the Bush Administration's war in Iraq, more than 1,000 US troops have lost their lives and more than 7,000 have been injured.

Source: globalsecurity.org

6. In May 2003, President Bush landed on an aircraft carrier in a flight suit, stood under a banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished," and triumphantly announced that major combat operations were over in Iraq. Asked if he had any regrets about the stunt, Bush said he would do it all over again.

Source: Yahoo News

7. Vice President Cheney said that Iraq was "the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault for many years, but most especially on 9/11." The bipartisan 9/11 Commission found that Iraq had no involvement in the 9/11 attacks and no collaborative operational relationship with Al Qaeda.

Source: MSNBC , 9-11 Commission

8. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said that high-strength aluminum tubes acquired by Iraq were "only really suited for nuclear weapons programs," warning "we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." The government's top nuclear scientists had told the Administration the tubes were "too narrow, too heavy, too long" to be of use in developing nuclear weapons and could be used for other purposes.

Source: New York Times

9. The Bush Administration has spent just $1.1 billion of the $18.4 billion Congress approved for Iraqi reconstruction.

Source: USA Today

10. According to the Administration's handpicked weapon's inspector, Charles Duelfer, there is "no evidence that Hussein had passed illicit weapons material to al Qaeda or other terrorist organizations, or had any intent to do so." After the release of the report, Bush continued to insist, "There was a risk--a real risk--that Saddam Hussein would pass weapons, or materials, or information to terrorist networks."

Sources: New York Times, White House news release

11. According to Duelfer, the UN inspections regime put an "economic strangle hold" on Hussein that prevented him from developing a WMD program for more than twelve years.

Source: Los Angeles Times

brutus smith

Libertarian, other than a bunch of babbling, you forgot to add facts and proof to your statements. You must like reading your regurgitated talking points.

digger nick

Chung, Perhaps you forget it was a Dumbocrat President that had the opportunity to take out the leader Osama Bin Laden, but decided he was no threat despite Oliver North telling him so among others. Has Slick Willie and the Boys concentrated on keeping the "unit" in their pants and focusing more on the threat against the USA we never would have had this event take place.

AS far as coming up with unique material Chung, why waste the brain space you so obviously demonstrate you have so little of the attempt to restate the facts as so many have so eloquently? Perhaps the Dimocrats could learn a very valuable lesson from the fact people much wiser than me and most certainly you have stated the facts so much better than anyone else could.

If you truly are a "Chung Lee" of foreign birth, and you really feel Bush should apologize for eliminating a dictator who slaughtered hundreds of thousands of his own citizens, then perhaps you should leave the USA for that prosperous life under communist control.

Bush and the USA have nothing to apologize about in regard to Iraq anymore than we do for taking the same action against Hitler for the very same genocide taken upon the Jews.

so.....

mkb

guess if im righ that bush is a dingbat then i guess that means i'm also right about obama. hold him to the same standard and microscope you used to see bush, no double standards.

libertarian

brutus smith wrote: "C'mon mikel enlighten me, when 10% of private citizens, not the Gov monsters you portray, control 90% of our wealth is headed towards Communism???? No name calling, just provide facts to support your view."

Here's a couple of facts. Economic systems aren't defined by what percent of wealth is controlled by what percent of the population. Economic systems are defined by who owns and controls that wealth. Capitalism is an economic system where wealth is privately owned AND controlled. Socialism is an economic system where wealth is government owned OR controlled. Most political economist divide socialism into fascism and communism. Fascism is where the government controls wealth but allows the appearence of private ownership. Communism is where government owns wealth. We now have fascism and are moving towards communism.

Besides, to control something is to own it, and communist officials in Soviet Russia, who comprised less than 1% of the population, controlled 99% of the wealth. While they may not have had de jure (legal) title to the wealth, they certainly had de facto (actual) ownership of the wealth. In addition, they had complete and total control of the population's lifes-and managed to murder 40-50 million of them (and people wonder why I call collectivist thugs and slur and rant against them).

So to say that we can't be heading towards communism if 10% of the population controls 90% of the wealth is utter nonsense.

Just the facts.

Also-nice Ron Paul link.

Chung Lee

Digger said:

"If George W Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had
taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you
have approved?"

Chung Lee say that George Bush did not propose he just do. Digger did you forget Bust doubled the deficit while he was in office?

Funny Digger you get your panties (it is no secret) in a bunch and complain about the issue about a military plane flying low over Manhattan inducing panic. Wasn't it Bush that was at the wheel when the terrorists crashed a plane at the same site? Gee, genius......which one was worse? Seriously, blame Obama for a military mistake in judgement? Oh and by the way, the idiot that thought it would be a good idea to have the fly over lost his job. So how many people have been held accountable for going to war in Iraq?

Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!! Chung Lee now just see that these were not Diggers own ideas it is another one of his cut and paste jobs!!! Is it asking too much for you nit wit neocons to at least come up with your own material?

http://mediamattersaction.org/em...

digger nick

@mkb

What Bush did was take action against a dictator who slaughtered hundreds of thousands of his own people much like Hitler did. You cannot deny this (well I guess you could be one of the wackos that claim there was never a Holocaust)

Best part is we only have a few more years until the tide turns and the Republicans are again in control. In fact, it's really already happening with old Teddy K's seat going Republican for the first time since before my grandparents were still voting.

mkb

digger nick
no.....what Bush did was just get us in two wars; and the worst economy that we have experienced since the great depression. It caused the entire world to go into a tailspend.....he raided the treasurer of the surplus that Bill Clinton had left us along with all the jobs......that's all!

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