OSU's Gee gets heat for latest slam

"Those damn Catholics" can't be trusted, he said.
Associated Press
May 31, 2013


Verbal gaffes by Ohio State University president Gordon Gee have long been a source of amusement and headaches at the school, whether he was calling the state governor a "dummy" two decades ago or more recently likening the challenges of holding together university divisions to "the Polish Army."

His bosses, the university trustees who hired him for two separate stints as president, gave him plenty of leeway in the past. That hands-off approach makes their strong reaction to his latest comments all the more remarkable.

Gee, one of the most well-known college presidents in the country, is having to undergo a "remediation plan" after making remarks about "damn Catholics" and attacking the academic integrity of the Southeastern Conference.

"Offensive statements," Ohio State board chairman Robert Schottenstein called the remarks.

"For the leader of a renowned university, inappropriate comments about particular groups, classes of people or individuals are wholly unacceptable and are not in line with what we aspire to be as an institution of higher education," Schottenstein said in a statement.

Gee said Notre Dame was never invited to join the Big Ten conference because the university's priests are not good partners, joking that "those damn Catholics" can't be trusted, according to a recording of a meeting he attended late last year.

Gee also took shots at schools in the Southeastern Conference and the University of Louisville, according to the recording of the December meeting of the school's Athletic Council that The Associated Press obtained under a public records request.

The remediation plan will "address his behavior that reflects the Board's commitment to returning to the core messaging of the university and its leadership," Schottenstein said.

Ohio State trustees learned of Gee's "offensive statements" in January, met with the president at length and created the remediation plan, Schottenstein said.

Gee was on a long-planned family vacation and unavailable for comment, Ohio State spokeswoman Gayle Saunders said. He apologized in a statement released to the AP.

"The comments I made were just plain wrong, and in no way do they reflect what the university stands for," he said in the statement. "They were a poor attempt at humor and entirely inappropriate. There is no excuse for this and I am deeply sorry."

Gee told members of the council that he negotiated with Notre Dame officials over joining the Big Ten during his first term at Ohio State, which began more than two decades ago.

"The fathers are holy on Sunday, and they're holy hell on the rest of the week," Gee said to laughter at the Dec. 5 meeting attended by Athletic Director Gene Smith, several other athletic department members, professors and students.

"You just can't trust those damn Catholics on a Thursday or a Friday, and so, literally, I can say that," said Gee, a Mormon.

In the recording, Gee referred specifically to dealing with the Rev. Ned Joyce, Notre Dame's longtime executive vice president, who died in 2004.

"Father Joyce was one of those people who ran the university for many, many years," Gee said.

Gee said the Atlantic Coast Conference, which added Notre Dame in all sports except football and hockey, did so at a time when it was feeling vulnerable.

"Notre Dame wanted to have its cake and eat it, too," Gee said, according to the recording and a copy of the meeting's minutes.

"Regrettable" and "inappropriate" summed up the reactions from universities mentioned by Gee at the meeting, including Notre Dame, Louisville, Kentucky and schools in the Southeastern Conference.

Ohio State's Athletic Council meets monthly during the fall, winter and spring and makes recommendations on athletic policy including ticket prices. December's meeting was at Ohio Stadium.

Gee has gotten in trouble before for offhand remarks, most recently during a memorabilia-for-cash and tattoos scandal under football coach Jim Tressel's watch.

Gee was asked in March 2011 whether he had considered firing Tressel. He responded: "No, are you kidding? Let me just be very clear: I'm just hopeful the coach doesn't dismiss me." Tressel stepped down three months later.

In November 2010, Gee boasted that Ohio State's football schedule didn't include teams on par with the "Little Sisters of the Poor." An apologetic Gee later sent a personal check to the real Little Sisters of the Poor in northwest Ohio and followed up with a visit to the nuns months later.Last year, Gee apologized for comparing the problem of coordinating the school's many divisions to the Polish army, a remark that a Polish-American group called bigoted and ignorant.

In 1992, in a moment of frustration over higher-education funding, Gee told a student newspaper reporter, "the governor's a damn dummy." Then-Gov. George Voinovich laughed it off, and the two became allies.

Gee was named the country's best college president in 2010 by Time magazine, and he has one of the highest-profile resumes of any college leader in recent history. He has held the top job at West Virginia University, the University of Colorado, Brown University and Vanderbilt University. He was Ohio State president from 1990 to 1997 and returned in 2007.

Gee earns about $1.9 million annually in base pay, deferred and performance compensation and retirement benefits.

He is a prolific fundraiser and is leading a $2.5 billion campaign at Ohio State. He is omnipresent on campus, attending everything from faculty awards events to dormitory pizza parties. He is known for his bow ties — he has hundreds — and his horn-rimmed glasses.

During his comments to the Athletic Council, Gee also questioned the academic integrity of schools in the Southeastern Conference and the University of Louisville.

The top goal of Big Ten presidents is to "make certain that we have institutions of like-minded academic integrity," Gee said. "So you won't see us adding Louisville," which is also joining the ACC.

After a pause followed by laughter from the audience, Gee added that the Big Ten wouldn't add the University of Kentucky, either.

"We understand this is not the first time President Gee has made statements he has regretted," said Louisville spokesman Mark Hebert.

During the meeting, Gee also said he thought it was a mistake not to include Missouri and Kansas in earlier Big Ten expansion plans. Missouri has since joined the SEC.

"You tell the SEC when they can learn to read and write, then they can figure out what we're doing," Gee said when asked by a questioner how to respond to SEC fans who say the Big Ten can't count because it now has 14 members.

Gee noted he was chairman of the SEC during his time as Vanderbilt University chancellor. He also told the audience that speculation about the SEC "remains right here," according to the recording.

Gee took a swipe at Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany, one of the most powerful leaders in college athletics, when he answered a question about preserving Ohio State's financial interests in light of Big Ten revenue-sharing plans.

"No one admires Jim Delany more than I do. I chaired the committee that brought him here," Gee said. "Jim is very aggressive, and we need to make certain he keeps his hands out of our pockets while we support him."

Delany called the comments "inappropriate."


Associated Press writers John Seewer in Toledo, Tom Coyne in South Bend, Ind., Janet Cappiello in Louisville, Ky., Stephen Hawkins in Irving, Texas, and Mark Long in Destin, Fla., contributed to this report.



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Erie Countian

This guy is a total embarrassment to all Ohioans, whether we have connections to OSU or not. He has said these kinds of things on more than one occasion, and it seems to me that Ohio State should consider letting him go after this latest stupid gaffe. Unless they keep Gee away from a microphone totally, it's only a matter of time before he does it again. He may raise a lot of money for OSU, but this kind of idiotic behavior is not helping the reputation of the university one bit, in my opinion.


This entire thing is stupid. If you listen to the audio, all of these things were said in jest. There was nothing mean spirited about any of the comments. The comments were made to a room of OSU supporters who all laughed when they were said, because they knew nothing was mean or hateful.
People get all fired up about this, but some Muslim freak carves up a British soldier on the street, and the gov't response is to ask their military to not wear their uniforms in public.
Focus people, there really are hateful people out there that want kill us. Drop the PC BS and take a hard look at the world around you.


Being a practicing Catholic, I agree with you. There are so many other things to worry about than if someone makes a joke at your expense. Even if it was said seriously, who cares? I am more concerned with people who lump all immoral people who profess to be Catholic together and blame the church.


Sgt. Hulka said it best: "Lighten up, Francis."

JW Brewer

Difference... I don't have to practice. I'm actually very competent at my faith...


That's great!. Believe you me, I have to practice. There are many times in the winter I want to stay in bed instead of attending church. There are many times when money is tight that I don't feel like tithing. When I am tired and all I want to do is sleep, it is hard to say my night prayers. Yep, I have to practice.


Your right,everyone and their political correct crap drive me nuts,it was a joke.Now you want to be a real hypocrite be catholic and a Democrat and hold office !

JW Brewer

Too bad you weren't left in the sheets. hahahahaha!


You guys do not know Gordon. He is a great man. Being at one of the largest universities in the country he does an amazing job. Never have a heard of a president as personable as him. If he meets you once he will almost always remember your name and face. Check his record in academia. Its amazing.

He said all of these things in jest and they are now being used out of context. His statements had a hint of the truth or else the room would not have been laughing. He's a mormon and was making a simple joke, let it go.

dire wolf

He is a black eye to the University. He should have been replaced long ago. The University deserves better.

dire wolf

"Offensive statements," Ohio State board chairman Robert Schottenstein called the remarks.

"For the leader of a renowned university, inappropriate comments about particular groups, classes of people or individuals are wholly unacceptable and are not in line with what we aspire to be as an institution of higher education," Schottenstein said in a statement.

Certainly not his first or last rodeo at making totally stupid staments. The University deserves better.


BAHAH coming from a member of the Schott family. I understand they have donated a lot to OSU but they have said far worse things in larger company.


go pound salt somewhere else dire......

dire wolf

if your mom was the salt, i already did.

JW Brewer

Yeah... see what happens after he punches a cameraman.
Woody had 'a good heart, too'...and Bobby Knight ...and OB-L.


This guy is the definition of unprofessional. I don't care if he was speaking to a bunch of OSU supporters, it is still inappropriate. He has done this sort of thing before, so obviously he's an idiot who doesn't learn from experience, or an egomaniac who doesn't care about anyone else but himself. It's not about being pc, it's about being a professional and representing your school and your state with class.


You obviously don't know much about this guy. Calling him an idiot is laughable. Fear the bowtie


I do not think “bowtie” is an idiot, for goodness sakes he earns $1.9 million a year for his salary BUT he made an "idiotic statement", which he seems to do quite a bit. I am not a fan of OSU; clearly you are one of those fans…the one that cannot take any criticism about Ohio State University playing nothing but High School Teams last year. Gee has brought a lot of revenue into that school, clearly knows his gig.

JW Brewer

Maybe he was talking to the 53%

2cents's picture

LOL : )

JW Brewer

Just look what the 47% did for Mitt.

2cents's picture

LOL more : )


Just "WHO" is upset.....the catholics? I agree with the other post from MiddleRight...there are BIGGER/SCARIER things to worry about than this. Oh and just a fyi...there are ALOT of catholics I do not like or trust either.

dire wolf

His statements seems strange coming from a university currently under sanctions and penalties for deceit and mistrust. When it comes to acedemic standards, Ohio State will never be in the same league as Notre Dame. Sad but true.


Sanctions for deceit and mistrust? Are you that ignorant. The sanctions belong to the Athletic Department. Soooo... Gene Smith... The highest paid athletic director in the country (or was at one point). OSU will never meet the academic standards as Notre Dame. And notre dame will never have the vast number of course offerings as osu. OSU has dramatically raised their entrance scores in the last 15 years so it is no longer the joke of the elder generation.

dire wolf

He was talking about the Athletic department. Who's the ignorant one now??


Still you.

dire wolf

now that he was forced to resign or be fired, i see it was you. check mate.

dire wolf

Notre Dame doesn't offer all those meaningless classes that lessor schools use to keep the not as gifted students GPA up. ND only offers courses that meet the standards of graduating at one of the top acedemic schools in the world. There is a huge difference between having a OSU diploma, and one from Notre Dame. Compare the paychecks.


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Your last statement explains why you agree with MiddleRight.


Ahh the politically correct crowd at it again. It was said in a joking manner. Each and everyone of us does this on a daily basis, so really, what is the big deal? Born and raised Catholic here and graduated from OSU.......this is such a laughing matter that some are trying to make a big deal out of this. Gee has been awesome for OSU and you cannot argue that.

JW Brewer

You know "each and everyone of us"?

Are you also born and reared Polish?

Sitting In The ...

What a shocker Catholics overreacting to something so trivial. Maybe they should focus more on themselves and leave the rest of us alone. But you gotta admit he wasn't wrong.

dire wolf

The Catholics overreacted?? really?... What if those comments were said about a Jew, Muslim, or a black? He would already be out of a job. The Catholics only hoped he would admit he made a totally baseless, and stupid comment, then forgive and move on. Do you even know anything about about the catholic religion? obviously not. He wasn't wrong? think about your stupidity for a second. It shines like gold.


"Gee earns about $1.9 million annually in base pay, deferred and performance compensation and retirement benefits."

J Cooper

Graduation rates for 4 year football players, the Ohio State University, 74%, Norte Dame 97% who demands higher academic standards for all incoming freshmen. Wasn't it Gee who's response and failed attempt at humor stated that he was lucky that Tressel wasn't firing him during the initial cover up? With Ohio State's schedule do they qualify for the MAC championship?


If you simply read a story about this maybe you might be upset...if you hear the audio of the event, it's obviously just a joke. The press has blown this all out of proportion, but that is the norm for them....especially the newspapers.


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The Big Dog's back

Yeah baby.


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Peachy Keen

OF COURSE he's making a joke, but it never plays out that way in the national media, so Gee needs to stop these pathetic attempts to be "funny". You'd think he'd have learned after the first 2 or 3 times he made insulting gaffes, but I guess his bowtie is too tight and it cuts off the circulation to his brain. (And according to an article in the Morning Journal, Gee has spent $64,000 of his ASTRONOMICAL multi-million dollar salary from the State of Ohio on bowties alone!)


Some people don't get it because they are blinded by the scarlet and gray. It's not about being offensive...it's about being unprofessional and classless.

dire wolf

well said.


Gee is a perfect example of wrong America.


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J Cooper

For the bigots who are using this article to vent their anti-Catholic rants. There are good and bad in all religions. For those who would attack any religion even as humor they usually are the ones with the most to be ashamed of and have very little personal value. Gee's comments were unprofessional and in poor taste and reflect poorly on the university. I would think Gee as a Mormon who's religion has been attacked by numerous groups would have more sensitivity towards this type of bigotry.

The Big Dog's back

Actually the right wingnuts are responsible for everyone having to be so politically correct. Why you say? Because anything that has more than 2 words in a sentence confuses them, therefore they misinterpret.

J Cooper

Only the truly uninformed would attempt to make attacking any one's religion "PC" which by the way is the tactic of the far left.

The New World Czar

He brought Boehner and Obama in to do commencement speeches. That's enough alone to polarize either side, let alone his recent statements.


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