CCW permits double in Ohio

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Jessica Cuffman
May 11, 2013

The number of Ohioans who have obtained concealed-carry permits has almost doubled across the state ever since the Sandy Hook shootings and ramped-up talks on gun control. 

The number of new permit holders in Erie County increased by 173 percent in the first quarter of 2013, compared to the same period last year, according to figures from the Ohio Attorney General’s Office.

In Ottawa County, the increase was even more significant: a 207 percent increase in the number of people receiving concealed-carry licenses, compared to the same period last year. Both counties topped the percentage increase statewide, 87 percent.

“Just statewide in general, the numbers are up,” Erie County Sheriff Paul Sigsworth said. “People are interested in exercising their rights under that state law to obtain a license.”

Part of the increase in Erie County may be attributed to the fact Sigsworth’s office accepts permit applications six days a week, with half days on Saturdays to accommodate the demand. People who apply for concealed-carry permits can apply in any county bordering their county of residence, Sigsworth said.

Click here for news video with Ohio attorney general Mike DeWine. 

In Washington, D.C., meanwhile, the debate over gun control continues, with President Barack Obama and others pushing to tighten gun access following the December massacre at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

Locally and across the nation, guns flew off of shelves and manufacturers were backed up as Americans reacted to proposals for stricter gun control, including proposed background check expansions, legislation that Congress failed to approve last month.

The Associated Press contributed to this story. 

Concealed Carry Licenses issued       First quarter 2012           First quarter 2013       % increase            2012 total        
 
Erie County                                                         301                                 822                               173                          1,221              
Huron County                                                      59                                    78                                  32                             222                 
Ottawa County                                                     94                                  289                               207                             430                  
Sandusky County                                              201                                 335                                 67                              599                 
 
Statewide                                                    16,823                                 31,407                           87                              64,650                 
 

Comments

Sharin' Johnson

When I goes shopping at Wal Mart I gotta lil secret. It makes me feel like a big man. Someday, I'll get the chance to be a hero, save the day.

Raoul Duke

Would Jesus carry?

Nemesis

He told His disciples to sell their cloaks and buy swords.

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2cents

As a permit holder I feel that if you own any firearm you should be required to take the class, use the range, know your firearms and receive your permit card. It would be your choice to carry or not. This is not an infringement of rights issue, it is however common sense, you are required to test for a drivers license to operate a vehicle.

Pterocarya frax...

For once, I absolutely agree with you.

swiss cheese kat

Just imagine telling the press that they must abide by certain rules and pay for the right of free speech.

Whiskey Tango F...

If it were that simple I too would agree... However the information would be used for other reasons than intended. I would however agree to a longer more difficult class if it afforded me the option to carry across the entire us. If the federal government wants to control everything, then they can also reward the good behavior of responsible citizens by allowing us to exercise what we have already proven we are capable of handling.

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2cents

I too would like to see an across the board federal permit, when traveling one has to know what states are allowing Ohio permits. It is not like it is a secret, any police officer that runs your drivers license has that big red flag pop up that you or the person that has that vehicle licensed is a permit holder.

Sharin' Johnson

U ever point it at anybody?

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2cents

Not a smart idea, unless you plan to shoot that person!

swiss cheese kat

@2cents,
you must misunderstand the Second Amendment.

Sharin' Johnson

Don't get in a parking dispute wit dis dude!

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2cents

In that situation one would go to jail, you must misunderstand the purpose and use of this right to carry????

VOTENO

So you're saying I need a class on owning firearms even though I'm a Veteran who served in a combat infantry unit? I don't think so.

hazelwood

No. Your military service could be considered the same as completing the required course. The same could be true for people completing a law enforcement program or have prior service a a law enforcement officer. i agree some sort of class should be required for gun ownership. The CCW class I took was pretty basic but it covered some of the topics that are generally misconstrued concerning home invasion, responsibilities of carrying a weapon, and the proper handling of various situations. The class was very enlightening and only was 1 day long. Not too much to ask.

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2cents

First, thank you for serving. My buddy served two tours in Iraq and was in a few firefights himself and yet he has persued his permit. The class is maybe 25% firearms knowledge and the balance more on safety and laws. One of the first things I was taught is that your firearm is not a weapon! (A weapon, arm, or armament is any device used in order to inflict damage or harm to living beings) This is important if you ever have to defend your life and then it goes to court, a weapon is classified as aggressive where a firearm is a tool, never call your firearm a weapon is just one good thing I learned.

VOTENO

This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting, this is for fun.

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2cents

LOL, I was just driving behind a van this morning that had those kid stickers on the window, 10 little munchkins, avid gunner : )

Sharin' Johnson

Kill a lotta people?

Simple Enough II

I disagree. This is a right, driving is a privilage.

Sharin' Johnson

A well regulated militia of one!

KnuckleDragger

Where in the Constitution or Bill of Rights does it say that I must take a class to exercise my rights? You are comparing apples to oranges. The right to bear arms is just that, a Natural RIGHT. Driving a car on public roadways is considered a PRIVILEGE controlled by the state. Do I think it is a good idea to know how to use a firearm and keep proficient in its use if you have a permit? I sure do. Do I think the nanny state should tell me what I should do to exercise my rights? No, I don't. Besides the range time for the CCW is a joke. A 5 yr old with no experience and a blindfold could pass the shooting test.

deertracker

You need to reread your post and others. The CCW class is not there to teach you how to shoot. It's more about safety and knowing the law. No one is challenging your right to own a gun.

SamAdams

Not quite. To the best of my knowledge, you don't have to have a license (or insurance, for that matter) to own a vehicle. You just have to have the license and the insurance if you take it out for a spin.

If you won't to compare driver's licenses and licensing to own firearms (trust me, you don't), then the only people who'd need licenses for firearms are those who take them out and about. You know, sorta like it is now?

Meanwhile, the REASON you don't want to compare the two licensing systems is simple: Where cars are concerned, you pass the test, you get the license. Your license is good in all 50 states. You don't undergo background checks or anything else (and those of us who SUPPORT background checks for purposes of illegal immigration are usually shouted down under cries of racism or "undue burden"). You can get one when you're 16. And you get to KEEP one even after you've made repeated mistakes (assuming, of course, those mistakes aren't TOO serious, and even then, you'll likely get more than one chance).

So next time you want to suggest guns be licensed "just like cars," you might want to think before you speak. One of these days, some of us are going to take you up on it!

four

The class is great,the list and record of those that participated in the class will be used against all of us at a later date.It would be way to easy for big brother or criminals to acquire the list of weapon owners and steal the guns or just take them.

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2cents

I am not sure how valid that comment is! It is very possible that people who make the extra effort to take the classes and become certifier permit holders are more responsible people, people that are more aware of their surroundings, people that may have a home security system and other items for their own security. I read the list one time from Erie County, I knew a lot of these people and most were upstanding people that cared about things. Most burglars would rather go where there is an easy target and I am not sure if they would target a home that had a firearm or not, would it be worth it? They may stumble across firearms while breaking into a home and take them!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3qeeog...'s+House.jpg

arnmcrmn

Owning a gun is a right.....driving a car is a privilege. That is why there will never be mandatory testing to own a gun.

Whiskey Tango F...

It is only a right if you abide by the laws. We are now more than ever subject to the old rule that a few destroy it for the rest. We also are led by individuals who honestly feel they can cure crime and mental illness with paper and pen.

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2cents

Nice post!

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Mime Bloggling

" We also are led by individuals who honestly feel they can cure crime and mental illness with paper and pen."

Excellent.

Simple Enough II

True on that. But again when we say mental illness, is it the illness or the drugs we are pumping into them that are causing these horrific acts?

deertracker

Great question Simple!

KnuckleDragger

Not really, you can open carry in Ohio and most states without a CCW or a pretty much worthless class.

SamAdams

Technically, you're absolutely correct. Realistically, I wouldn't try the open carry. For every intelligent and responsible citizen out there with a gun on his or her hip, there's an ignorant and panic-stricken neighbor to call the police! Unless, of course, you're a bad guy, in which cause nobody saw nothin...

KnuckleDragger

I don't open carry much, but the few times I have it was a non-issue. In most places the PD is really good about man with a gun calls. What usually happens is they go to the scene, if the person is carrying in a holster their isn't an issue.

deertracker

@Whiskey.....
Agreed!

looking around

Most CCW permits contain the remark "good until revoked" now many states require re-issuance every five years. Don't ever make the mistake thinking that your "rights" don't require certain criteria for the "privilege" it's not that self serving, others have rights as well.

KnuckleDragger

I'm going to petition to have a ballot issue that requires a permit to exercise First Amendment rights in Ohio. In order to have the permit issued, everyone will have to take a 12 hr class in political correctness and how to speak nicely to one another. Anyone who fails to use political correctness or offends someone will have that license revoked and will no longer be able to speak in public or post in public forums. If they do, they will be charged with a felony. Sound good? If we can institute "common sense" restrictions on one individual right, why not all?

looking around

First Amendment rights? Can you yell fire in a public building where no fire is present? Yell highjack on an airliner? Even this blog is monitored for those without common sense or decency. There is at this time a public education system in place nation wide, hopefully graduates from our public school systems have learned how to properly express themselves. I know in some instances you can't fix stupid!

deertracker

Agreed!

SamAdams

Yes, in fact, you CAN yell "fire" in a public building where no fire is present. And you can make jokes about bombs or highjackings on planes or in airports if you're so inclined.

Sure, you'll be arrested if you do. But you'll note one very important thing, here: NONE of those arrested are EVER charged with violating the First Amendment. They're charged with inducing panic or terror threats. They're charged with making false reports. They're charged with inciting a riot. Etc. and so on.

As far as properly expressing yourself, well, schools AREN'T teaching that. What they ARE teaching is political correctness (oftentimes at the expense of the truth). They're teaching self esteem (usually at the expense of personal responsibility). They're teaching anti-bullying (typically teaching children that they're helpless). And they're turning out reams of kids who can barely read, who can't write (though they can text message up a storm), and who can't function in college or find themselves a job. Hey, they feel real good about it, though!

You're right: You can't fix stupid. It'd be really good, though, if more people in more places would make some effort to fix ignorant!

Sharin' Johnson

U a con law scholar dog!

KnuckleDragger

DERP

Centauri

Why the shortage of ammunition? I don't believe gun owners created the shortage by hoarding. Ammunition is now being rationed to customers for those lucky enough to buy ammo when in stock.

http://www.natchezss.com/ammo.cf...

Ammo is becoming too expensive also. .223 is close to $1 per round. .22 LR is hard to find as is 9 mm.

A firearm is as useless as a paper weight if ammo cannot be found for it. Can somebody provide a decent answer for the ammo shortage?

YoMamma

The Department of Homeland Security is buying a BILLION rounds of ammo. They shoot by their own records more rounds per officer than the military shoots per soldier!

Pterocarya frax...

Come on folks. This is a joke propagated by a bunch of paranoid people. I know you won't believe the government on it, but even Breitbart's site debunked it:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Gov...

Contango

Always enjoyed the name "Homeland Security."

It has a 'ring' not dissimilar to the Nazis' "Fatherland" and the Soviets' "Motherland."

The Boston bombing helped to demonstrate that the over-paid bureaucrats in the CIA, FBI and Dept of HS STILL ain't coordinated with each other.

FORWARD SOVIET!

Centauri

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Gov...
"These are the very weapons Sens. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Chuck Schumer (D-NY), and Joe Manchin (D-WV), have been telling us nobody needs for self-defense. Apparently, DHS disagrees."

Homeland Security calls AR-15 variants "Self-defense weapons" for themselves.

But for law abiding American citizens, the AR-15 variants are called "assault weapons"

Go figure.

samiam

BHO's administration wasn't able to get more gun control enacted so they are going in the back door and buying up ammo. If they can't get you one way, they will get you another.

Why does Homeland Security (what a misnomer) need so much ammo? Are they shooting people at the airport? NO. Are they shooting illegals crossing the border? NO. Are they shooting terrorists? NO, according to them, there is no such thing as a terrorist in the U.S. So just what the heck are they doing with all that ammo? Keeping the citizens from having it. After all, what good is a gun without ammo?

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2cents

Answer, buy your ammo in-between news events. The day after Sandy Hook I bought 1000 target rounds of .223 at a normal price, it is just what happens.

KnuckleDragger

Should get better, most places have instituted a two box max for purchases now. That should stop these idiots that are going in when they restock and loading their cart with the ammo, then turning around and reselling it for nearly double.

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Mime Bloggling

I'm wondering how long it will be before Mr. Westerhold publishes a new concealed carry list for Erie County?

Contango

BTW:

When some guy 'pesters' my spouse, I told her to ask 'em:

Are you a gun collector like my husband?

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2cents
Restless1

A man walked into a bar with an AR-15 and a 30 round magazine declaring "who's the guy 'ben having s-x with my wife?" From the back of the room came a reply "you don't have enough ammo!"---Sometimes, 10 rounds just aren't enough.

2cents's picture
2cents

Haaaaaaaaaa!

deertracker

If he says "yes" then what?

Contango

Has never happened.

Actually met one "pest" who the women at her place of work called "Gorgeous George."

At over 6 ft. tall, I gave him a nice FIRM handshake and said that I was glad to meet him.

He never bothered her again.

I've practiced kickboxing and karate and have NEVER felt a need to carry. My one instructor said that I have a nice left jab. :)

The Big Dog's back

He was probably laughing uncontrollably and felt sorry for her.

Katelih-Trailer...

Contango..I doubt it was your firm handshake that changed George's pestering behavior. George MAY have realized that your wife TOLD you about his pestering when you damm near broke his hand..Lol..But ultimately, it was your WIFE'S actions that made him quit bothering her. Kudos to you for not having a slore for a wife, cause if she were...George would have his way..and worry about any repercussions later, if ever.

The Big Dog's back

Kind of a nerdy thing to say.

TrollingRageind...

What a big man you are. Guns are not the problem, it's the way people feel when they have one in their hands. Guns make it too easy to kill. If people looked at guns as a "sub male's" toy, then a lot of people wouldn't use one, or even own one. Point and pull a trigger. You people better hope an attacker doesn't know how to disarm a weapon.

KnuckleDragger

Ahh yes, the old what if the attacker takes away your gun. Let's see the survey I'm looking at says that only happens 0.875% of the time. Tells me that over 99% of the time it ain't gonna happen. With those odds, I will take may chances and carry my gun.

looking around

Just a few comments on issues raised here by a few bloggers. Many states do have reciprocation in recognizing CCW permits here is a link for a interactive map.

http://www.usacarry.com/conceale...

The interesting thing to me is the wide variance in requirements state by state to obtain the permit.

Having personally observed these training sessions in several states I can tell you that I see a need for uniform training guidelines nation wide.

I have been told by many people going through the process that the reason they are applying is not that they fear criminals but that they personally know of people who have obtained permits that they feel were unqualified for various reasons. Could it be that these folks have contributed to the growing numbers we have seen? In example one woman told me her brother had recently been issued a permit and in her words " if that idiot is going to have a gun....I want one also, he scares me!"

In a few instances I am aware of some gun advocates in a position to sponsor groups of people or employees interested in taking the required course at no cost to themselves have helped boost the numbers even that some of the attendees didn't actually apply for the permit after successfully completing the course criteria.

As for the ammunition shortage , it's like anything else in manufacturing, capacity and capability, raw materials availability, lead time and process changeover etc. With limited availability come price increase. Believe me the industry is feeding off this feeding frenzy.

KURTje

Eat a gold bar. Force Recon.

getit right be4...

In ohio you do not have to get a permit (permission slip) to carry a gun. Open carry is 100% legal. I open carry every day. For the most part I open carry every place I go. I have been doing so for over a year now. I have had zero issue with this. I have had no one run in fear or call the law. Most people do not even notice.

The only reason I even have a CCW is so that I do not have to store my gun and mag separate in a vehicle. Unfortunately in ohio there is no way to carry a loaded gun in a vehicle without a permission slip from the state.

TrollingRageind...

What do you plan on doing if someone disarms you?

KnuckleDragger

You mean on the less than 1% chance it will happen? I call DERP on the repeat of the same comment you made above. Please do some research before posting. You sound as ignorant as Toby Hoover.

Westender

Yes, OC (Open Carry) is a right under the Ohio constitution. I have had my CHL (Concealed Handgun License) since 2004, and I carry every day. When I see some one OC my comment is if TSHF(The S**t Hits the Fan) the OC people will be the first ones the bed guys will take out, and that gives me to react to them before they know I'm there. Keep up the good work.

TrollingRageind...

Tough guy can use a gun, congratulations!

Nemesis

Do you have a point?

swiss cheese kat

The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It seems like this should be easy enough to understand. Most conceal and carry laws restrict a right that is guaranteed by the Constitution.

When Obama stands before crowds of zombie-like hippies, freaks, and union employees, and uses the mantra “We can’t wait”, he’s bypassing a check purposely placed on his office by our Founding Fathers.

looking around

Funny thing about the Constitution and the rights, there have been 27 amendments ratified since our founding fathers drafted the document. Laws have been enacted, regulations put in place and further amendments proposed. There never seems to be a need for rules. laws, regulations or considerations of amendments until some A-Hole creates one by literally taking his or her supposed rights to the extreme and abusing the rights of others protected by the same constitution. Things have changed dramatically since our founding fathers sat down to pen the constitution, it's a shame they can't be around to clarify their thoughts based on where our country has evolved. In the meantime we will continue to create, amend and defend the constitutional rights of the masses in the best interest of all.

votelibertarian

We shouldn't have to get a permit if it is our "right". Now the government knows where to go to first and after they publish the list of holders the bad guys will know where to get guns and who doesn't have them.

Minuteman

Who has the most to lose with the increase in CCW permits? Those who oppose these armed citizens all have something in common. They lose something with an armed populace. One way or another, they profit and thrive when there is no resistance to their criminal actions. There may be excuses offered up, like "Kids find them, and there are accidents", but that's a smokescreen, they want easy pickings when they commit crimes. Or they are reaping the benefits of those committing crimes. Either way, that's the reason they want the public unarmed. We are already seeing a drop in violent crime since the upsurge in CCW permits across the country. You won't see it reported though, but the stats don't lie.

your master

I took that ridiculous class and now I carry. the only thing I took from it is as you can basically kill anybody as long as you feel and I use the word feel your life is in danger. in fact the instructor said it was my duty to eliminate the streets of rubbish.

your master

and I will tell you another thing those stupid little signs on the front door businesses that say I cant bring my gun in here I ignore them any real American will