Senate showdown vote on gun curbs set for Thursday

Leading Democrat calls for decision.
Associated Press
Apr 10, 2013

The Senate's top Democrat has set Congress' first showdown vote for Thursday on President Barack Obama's gun control drive as a small but mounting number of Republicans appear willing to buck a conservative effort to prevent debate from even beginning.

Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada announced his decision Tuesday as the White House, congressional Democrats and relatives of the victims of December's mass shooting in Newtown, Conn., amped up pressure on GOP lawmakers to allow debate and votes on gun control proposals. Twenty first-graders and six educators were gunned down at Sandy Hook Elementary School, turning gun control into a top-tier national issue.

Meanwhile, participants from both parties said a bipartisan deal was imminent on expanding required federal background checks to gun purchases conducted at gun shows and online. The two chief negotiators, Sens. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., and Patrick Toomey, R-Pa., were expected to announce the compromise on Wednesday.

Manchin and Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., told reporters late Tuesday that a deal was close. A Toomey aide said the same, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss closed-door bargaining.

An agreement on background checks — the cornerstone of Obama's plan to restrict firearms — could boost bipartisan support for the overall effort, at least initially, because Manchin and Toomey are among their parties' most conservative members. But the ultimate fate of gun legislation remains unclear, clouded by opposition from many Republicans and moderate Democrats in the Democratic-led Senate and the GOP-run House.

The emerging deal would expand required federal background checks to sales at gun shows and online, but exempt transactions like face-to-face, non-commercial purchases, said several Senate aides and lobbyists who spoke on condition of anonymity to describe the private talks.

Currently, the checks are required only for sales through licensed gun dealers.

On the Senate floor, Reid pointed to a poster-sized photo of a white picket fence that had slats bearing the names of the Newtown victims.

"We have a responsibility to safeguard these little kids," said Reid, D-Nev. "And unless we do something more than what's the law today, we have failed."

"We don't have the guts to stand up and vote yes or no? We want to vote maybe? Tell that to the families in Newtown" and other communities where there have been mass shootings, said Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.

But Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, one of 13 conservative senators who signed a letter promising to try blocking debate, said the Senate bill puts "burdens on law abiding citizens exercising a constitutional right." He said none of its provisions "would have done anything to prevent the horrible tragedy of Sandy Hook."

Obama was calling senators from both parties Tuesday to push for the gun bill, according to a White House official.

A Senate vote to begin debating the guns package would mark a temporary victory for Obama and his allies.

Some Republicans, though eager to avoid blocking debate, could vote against the measure on final passage. Coupled with resistance by leaders of the GOP-run House to main parts of Obama's effort — including bans on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines — the ultimate outcome seems shaky for Democrats.

Reid said he did not know if he had the 60 votes he will need to defeat the conservatives' roadblock. But at least eight Republicans have said they want to begin debate or have indicated a willingness to consider it: Sens. John McCain of Arizona, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, Johnny Isakson and Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, Susan Collins of Maine, Roy Blunt of Missouri and Mark Kirk of Illinois.

But some moderate Democrats are remaining noncommittal and might oppose opening the gun debate, including Sens. Mark Begich of Alaska and Mark Pryor of Arkansas, who are seeking re-election next year.

Begich declined to directly state his position and said of Alaskans, "We like our guns."

There are 53 Senate Democrats and two independents who lean Democratic.

In a written statement, Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, said conservatives want to prevent Obama from rushing the legislation through Congress "because he knows that as Americans begin to find out what is in the bill, they will oppose it."

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., has said he will join the conservatives' attempt to block debate.

The bill would expand required federal background checks to nearly all gun transactions — a provision Reid would try to replace with the completed agreement between Manchin and Toomey. It would also stiffen penalties for illegal firearms trafficking and provide a small boost in school safety aid.

Eleven Sandy Hook family members representing eight of the shooting victims were on Capitol Hill to lobby senators from both parties for gun legislation, including Isakson.

"We bring a very personal perspective," said Mark Barden, who lost his 7-year-old son, Daniel. "People should listen to what we have to say and move the debate forward. It's not just about our tragedy. Lots of kids are killed every day in this nation. We have to help lead the change."

Some relatives had breakfast with Vice President Joe Biden at his residence in the Naval Observatory. Later, Biden spoke to law enforcement officials at the White House and told reporters that conservatives would not succeed in blocking debate.

"This is not one of these votes that they block a vote and somehow we're going to go away," Biden said. "The American public will not stand for it."

The president's gun-control proposals have hit opposition from the National Rifle Association, which was using the Internet and emails to urge its members — it claims nearly 5 million — to tell members of Congress of their opposition.

In GOP-heavy Louisiana, where Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu is seeking re-election next year, the NRA wrote to its members, "Please contact Senator Landrieu and encourage her to oppose this anti-freedom legislation."

Counteracting that has been an effort by Mayors Against Illegal Guns, one of whose leaders is billionaire New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

The group was running a television ad in Pennsylvania asking voters to contact Toomey and tell him to back expanded background checks. It also said it will keep track of key gun-related congressional roll calls and make the information available to voters and contributors — a tactic long used by the NRA and other groups.

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Associated Press writers Nedra Pickler, Jim Abrams, Andrew Miga and Henry C. Jackson contributed to this report.

 

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mikel

according to fbi data there were more murders committed in 2011 by hammers than guns! where is the ban on hammers?

not hearing a whole lot on the crazy dude that sliced 14-15 people yesterday with an exacto knife. is that next?

it is not the weapon rather the user.

KnuckleDragger

Let 'em vote, it will go down in a ball of fire in the house anyway, that is, if it even gets past the Senate.

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@Mikel in the case of mass murders, it appears the assault type weapon has always been a favorite choice among those who perpetrate these crimes. I never heard of a mass murderer going after a crowd with a hammer, it doesn't even go with his para military outfit often chosen as the uniform of the day when launching these attacks.

shucks

mikel doesn't get it.

mikel

apparently the people killed by those hammers didn't get it either did they foshiz! dead is dead.

i can blast through the clips in my handgun as quick as an assult rifle and it only takes a second to switch clips.

again, as stated, it is the people not the weapon.

shucks

Heads up, master blaster:
Can you fire 154 bullets in 5 minutes that way while running around a school?
I don't think so.

The time delay to switch would be time enough to take you out.

It's about assault rifles and large magazines.
Ever hear of a mass murder caused by a handgun? I haven't.

Again, as stated: mikel doesn't get it.

Fromthe419

Are you referring to the 154 rounds fired at Newtown? Not one of them was fired with an assault rifle. The liberal left reported they were all shot with assault rifles, but when the facts came out it was not true.
beforeitsnews.com/.../cbs-nbc-abc-admit-no-assault-rifle-used-at-sand...

And YES, I get it, guns don't kill people, people kill people. We need to have better mental health care in the U.S. I am not against universal background checks, but I am against any new law that violates the Constitution. Our founding father's had it right.

shucks

That's right,

You are one of those crackpots who said the Newtown massacre never happened-- it was all fake staged by the liberal left.

Right, Fromthe419? It never really happened?

Fromthe419

Typical liberal response, when faced with facts attack the messenger rather than debate the message. The facts are we need more investment in mental health issues (see a conservative can say invest/tax) and not more gun laws on the books. Enforce the laws that are already in place, which we are currently not doing. While I accept the fact that the tragedy actually happened the fact is as Rahm Emanuel stated..."Never let let a serious crisis go to waste." ;)

shucks

MAYBE you have realized that you were stupid.
How you could have doubted at all is scary.
(Oh! the Liberals staged the whole thing just to give them a reason to take away our precious guns).

vicariouslyAlive

Considering that both of my guns have the capability of accepting extend clips, yes it is possible to go through that many rounds with a pistol. Recall I bet I could push almost 400 rounds in that time with my .22 and my 9 km in 5 minutes it rounds weren't so expensive and hard to come by... that and I'd be afraid of the heat from doing something like that causing a fault in my gun.

4shizzel, you seem to be trying g to talk about things you know very little about. Not only are pistols just as capable of pushing as many roundds as assault rifles, because both are semi automatic, not one single round was fired in new town from any sort of rifle. Lastly, in the column line shooting not assault rifles were used, they used shotguns, and in that Illinois shooting just after columbine a hunting rifle was used. Hell, even Kennedy was shot with a bolt action rifle.... so please tell me again, how many more mass shootings have been committed with assault rifles than with other firearms.

I guess your extremest news forgot to tell you that ar-15's are kinda hard to hide when walking up on a place.... because its quite obvious that you have very limited gun exlierence.

shucks

@vicariouslyAlive
Here's some extremist news from the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lo...
Here's an excerpt taken from that extremist article:

"He shot all of the victims with a Bushmaster .223-caliber XM-15 rifle ..."

Kinda trumps your statements:
"...not one single round was fired in new town from any sort of rifle."
"...I guess your extremest news forgot to tell you that ar-15's are kinda hard to hide when walking up on a place.... because its quite obvious that you have very limited gun exlierence."

I shot Expert with the M-16 and M-14 at Fort Polk, Louisiana.So I have a little knowledge but I don't give a damn what you say.

It's quite obvious that you have very limited school exlierence (experience) and you play with your gun too much.

FYI- the Washington Post is not an " extremest" paper.

arnmcrmn

4 drizzle.....you asked if we have ever heard of a mass murder caused by a handgun? I do and it happened almost 6 years ago to this date. Obviously you don't remember Virginia Tech or just are spouting off without facts once again.

Virginia Tech shooting was the deadliest mass murder to date in America killing 32 people and injuring another 17.
Choice of guns...a .22-caliber Walther P22 semi-automatic HANDGUN and a 9 mm semi-automatic Glock 19 HANDGUN. A 15 round mag in the Glock and a 10 round mag in the Walther.....HARDLY high ammunition rounds.

Again, facts before you post.

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@arnmcrmn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vir...

I never said there wasn't.

"Choice of guns...a .22-caliber Walther P22 semi-automatic HANDGUN and a 9 mm semi-automatic Glock 19 HANDGUN. A 15 round mag in the Glock and a 10 round mag in the Walther.....HARDLY high ammunition rounds."
-- and at least 400 rounds more if you read article.

Nah! All that? It won't hurt anybody, hardly.

(yeah, I changed it )

arnmcrmn

Yeah, I guess you said you never heard of a mass murder from a handgun.....derp read below.

4shizzle
WED, 04/10/2013 - 11:50AM
Heads up, master blaster:
Can you fire 154 bullets in 5 minutes that way while running around a school?
I don't think so.

The time delay to switch would be time enough to take you out.

It's about assault rifles and large magazines.
Ever hear of a mass murder caused by a handgun? I haven't.

Again, as stated: mikel doesn't get it.

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vicariouslyAlive

You more or less just now proved that you are too uninformed about this topic to be able to hold a credible opinion. Thanks for doing the hard work of everyone having to prove that for us. By the way, some glocks are capable of being fully automatic and also capable of holding 100 round clips. The walther used in the va shooting is also capable of holding a 100 clip... so the argument that assault rifles are more dangerous than pistols is a falcity. Yes, they look more intimidating, but all the numbers show that hand guns are the threat....

Here's a hint, before you spout off all you know about something, try and make it seem like you actually know something at all.

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@vicariouslyAlive

I'm uncredible huh? LOL!

vicariouslyAlive

its funny how the WASHINGTON post goes against the corners report to back the president's stance in WASHINGTON... silly thing really.

but what's really funny is how you can believe an article that's been proven false many many times over... but also the fact that the article tries to show that everyone involved lacked any sort of common sense to further back up the presidents views... an emotionally unstable kid with open access to guns? really? you expect rational people to believe that although books that were found about his disorder, showing some forsight as to what to worry about and look out for in the future were also located in the same house with an unlocked gun safe? you people really are touched in the head. if the people living there were really that ignorant they wouldnt have looked into the disorder and read the books and then gone back and just ignored everything they read...

c'mon now... i know you extremist have to cop to a bunch of crap from time to time, but this one's gotta take the cake here.

shucks

"...what's really funny is how you can believe an article that's been proven false many many times over..."

Prove it many many times over.
I'll settle for many.

arnmcrmn

@drizzle.....you haven't heard and you were implying that it never happened. So I informed your weak stuff. Try again buddy.

shucks

@aclownman
I meant what I said.

bullydogs1971

the biggest mass murders in all of history is by far....wait for it.....wait for it....GOVERNMENT! and you want us to believe we will be a safer people if these guns are banned....the very same guns the .....wait for it....wait for it....the GOVERNMENT HAVE! I was in the military and they tried to get me to mass murder all those men women and little children in Iraq.....i REFUSED!...oh and btw the criminals dont give a crap about your gun laws...they will still have em. Only law abiding citizens will be stripped of they're rifle. How much more of our Constitution do you want to shred!

Nor'easter

All of the mass murders have been committed by people who were recognized by health professionals as having emotional or mental issues. Because of HIPAA (Health Information Protection & Portability Act of 1996 signed by Bill Clinton) passed by Congress, the health people are forbidden to speak up unless the patient gives permission under the Federal penalties of Fines, Prison, and automatic loss of their profession. Get rid of HIPAA and they could have communicated and prevented these mass murders.

deertracker

You don't get it either!

YAWWNN

Actually, you don't. We aren't allowed to say anything about a patients health condition. On that note, many of these people were pink slipped into a mental facility, or in other words under a judicial hold. Judicial holds are a matter of public record. So therein lies the problem, there needs to be a mechanism where these judicial holds are entered into a federal database if the person has been found to be mentally defective. Right now, no such mechanism exists.

deertracker

NO, you really don't! Many of what people? Who was "pink slipped? Just because you may have mental issues, is no reason to put you in a database. You sound RIDICULOUS! All people want are universal background checks. What is so wrong with that? I am sure there are gun owners out there that may have mental issues. That in no way means they are going to commit mass murder. I am a gun owner and I am not concerned about any background check or mental health evaluation.

KnuckleDragger

Your ignorance is showing!!! Have you read the bill? Read it, you are RIDICULOUS! Putting these people in a database is exactly what the federal govt is going to do. In addition, they will decide which mental health conditions will disqualify you from purchasing a gun. If you were ever down in the dumps and went to get help because you felt like hurting yourself, the govt will consider you a danger and you will not be able to buy a gun. Also in the bill, they exempt Police with PTSD from losing their rights, but if you are a veteran with PTSD, your outta luck, your gun rights are gone. Your lucky, because ignorance isn't one of the criteria for taking away your gun rights.

deertracker

There is no bill until it is voted on and signed clown! Just words on a piece of paper. Change the water in the dish tank, will ya?

KnuckleDragger

How is it off topic? Apparently it's against the rules to refute what someone has said?
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KnuckleDragger

For an explanation of what a bill is in simple, easy to understand language.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t...

AJ Oliver

Mikel, you are making stuff up as usual. Why can't righties distinguish reality from fantasy?
http://www.slate.com/articles/ne...
Let me repeat, guns are for cowards.

Richard Bebb

Your article doesn't distinguish the type of weapon used. Once again those on the left are trying to distort data to fit their agenda. Murders committed with blunt objects (hammers) outweigh the number of murders committed with rifles and shotguns. The agenda of the left is to end our access to so called "assault rifles", the point is that more people were murdered by hammers or other blunt objects when compared to rifles.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Gov...

YAWWNN

LOL, slate.com does nothing more than regurgitate MSNBC. Please try an unbiased site sometime, or even a mixture of sites. The lib sites have caused brain rot.

shucks

Fox News is a good unbiased site.

KnuckleDragger

You think? Love how lefties like to bring that up. Fact is, I haven't watched fox news in well over a year. Which puts them right up there with MSNBC on my least watched list.

shucks

What do you think?
Is Fox News is a good unbiased site?

Doesn't matter if you haven't watched it in a year.

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YAWWNN

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@your babies Daddy
LOL

YAWWNN

None of the network news services are unbiased, including fox. Unbiased journalism, unfortunately is a relic of the past.

mikel

aj, my apology. was going by the info that was provided by the rep. maybe you should send him this link so he stops putting out bad data.

bullydogs1971

AJ Oliver

Then the government and military are the biggest cowards in the world...and i might add: mass murders!

KURTje

Get that guy from KY & Portman. They'll figger it out. They have their fingers on America's pulse. eye roll

YAWWNN

Moreso than Bubba Biden does.

CommonSenseWouldHelp

In America in 2011, 8583 people were murdered by one type of weapon, guns (an additional 18,000 + committed suicide with firearms). Less than half that amount, 4,081 were killed by every other weapon known to man including knives, blunt objects, poison, fire, pushing out a window, cars, hands, explosions, drowning, narcotics, strangulation, asphyxiation and the mysterious "other" category.

Fromthe419

How many were killed in car accidents? Do we ban cars next?

shucks

Fool troll

Fromthe419

Again, attack the messenger rather that debate the message. I am for liberty and protecting freedom and if that makes me a troll, then you are correct.

shucks

You forgot"... and the American Way".

Who do you think you are ?...Superman?

YAWWNN

If you hate America that much 4shitzle, by all means move. I hear they like your kind in Europe.

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YAWWNN

Can't dispute it so time to call names huh? Real mature.

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YAWWNN

No, but you should probably quit posting under both 4shizzle and yourbabiesdaddy. It's becoming obvious.

shucks

YAWWNN,It's becoming obvious- you're boring.

Fromthe419

Superman, no, but I am:
1. An American
2. A registered voter, believe it or not I voted twice for Clinton
3. A person that believes in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights our Founding fathers gave us.
4. A person that questions are government and am not led like a sheep. Do you believe everything they tell you? More importantly do you believe everything they tell you is the truth?

Lastly, as stated before, attack the messenger and not willing the debate the issue.

shucks

Debate what? Banning cars? Are you serious?

Fromthe419

No, every time I post you call me out. I am simply stating that I believe in what our founding father's meant when they constructed the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. Your stance on guns has been the diametric opposite of what they proposed. Are you going to say their views are out-dated? IMHO they were spot on.

shucks

"...they were spot on" about what?

Fromthe419

So you think they were wrong or misguided when thy wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? Please elaborate.

shucks

They were wrong or misguided about what when they wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?
Be specific.

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Lets see you got to take a test, get a liscense and then insurance to drive, seems like a good start for gun ownership.

goofus

Poor misguided leftist, driving and owning a car is a privilege not a right.

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YAWWNN

LMAO, you're nothing but some punk kid who has never served in the military. Your ignorant posts show it. Add to that the username you go by, no mature man would use something so juvenile. I did two tours in Iraq, and two in Afghanistan. I am partially disabled and have the scars and shrapnel from the IED that blew up under my humvee still in my body to prove it. You sir, if you ever served are a complete embarrassment. The only one hiding is you, cuz I doubt you are man enough to give out your real name. Do the world a favor and please don't reproduce, we have enough idiots running around out there. Unlike KnuckleDragger, I'd be happy to meet you at the VFW (the one in Norwalk) for a drink, but don't be surprised if you don't walk out with an attitude adjustment.

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YAWWNN

But according to liberals, just one death is too much. So why no push to ban all of them? I know, the others don't look quite as scary.

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KnuckleDragger

I see he's found someone else to stalk. LOL.

Kimo

Republicans don't want any restrictions on "weapons" but the want to tell North Korea that they can't have nuclear warheads.
North Korea Constitution:
2nd amendment guarantees the right to form a militia and bear arms to protect their country.
.

YAWWNN

If you don't know the difference between a gun and a Nuke, you are are dumber than I thought.

arnmcrmn

I was thinking the same thing Yawwnn......Kimo wants people to be able to buy nukes if they are allowed to buy guns. The comparison this person tries to make is the reason hardly anyone responds to them.....OFF THE WALL is an understatement.

Richard Bebb

Haha if you cant see the difference between a country declaring that they want to use nuclear weapons against their neighbors and America, and a legal gun owner exercising their constitutional right then we are totally lost as a country.

Fromthe419

Democrats in the Senate and POTUS don't want North Korea to have nuclear warheads either. The only person in politics that I've heard that felt differently was Ron Paul. Lunch break is over, gotta get back to work so I can pay taxes and support the 47%.

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Eph 2 8-10

Ban rocks....or better yet, people.

arnmcrmn

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/...

Some quick gun FACTS for the lefties......
1. There are 279 million estimated civilian owned firearms in America.

2. The United States is #1 in the world when it comes to gun ownership, however we are not even in the top-25 when it comes to gun murder rate.

3. 2.5 million is the estimated number of incidents where a gun was used defensively to stop a crime in the US in 2011.

4. In 2011, ALL RIFLES (including the AR-15) were involved in fewer homicides than blunt objects, fists, or knives.

5. In 2011, 1.5X as many homicides were committed with blunts objects as rifles, 2.2X as many homicides were committed with fists, and 5.2X as many homicides were committed with knives.

6. Only 2.6% of all murders in 2011 involved a rifle.

The Big Dog's back

Who says us "lefties" don't own guns?

KURTje

No one is taking away all personal weapons. Breathe in breathe out. Like how so many foam @ the mouth over this. You yahoos should be worried about drones & black boxes on your vehicles. geez

AJ Oliver

Once again, we get deception from the Righties. Mr/Ms anonymous arnmcrmn's point number two compares apples to oranges. The US is off the chart for gun violence in comparison to DEVELOPED COUNTRIES. If guns are supposed to keep us safe, we should be the safest developed country, right?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/bl...
(Of course if the righties get their way, we won't be a developed country for long.)

Factitious

The wingnuts don't let facts get in the way of a bogus argument. For awhile in the rightist blogosphere, it was argued that guns made people safer because Switzerland trains most males to shoot and makes them keep a gun, yet "they have the lowest incidence of gun violent in the world." The TRUTH? Among developed countries, only USA, Chile, and Turkey are worse than Switzerland. They are far and away the worst in Europe, even though they SEVERELY restrict ammo and multiple gun ownership.

Don't misunderstand me. Personally, I'm skeptical about whether restricting the ownership or the capabilities of constitutional-protected arms solves the problem. But it's irresponsible and reckless to promoted gun ownership for safety, when in fact, domestic weapons make people LESS safe. The industry is cashing in. They conceal the dangers of gun ownership. They promote irresponsible ownership, shooting for kicks, and trafficking, and they have blood on their hands.

We can preserve our political right to keep and bear arms without the bloody, moneymaking orgy.

YAWWNN

You mean like the idiot lefties comparing owning a gun to a Nuke? I rest my case.

concernedtruth

CHICAGO, THE HIGHEST MURDER RATE IN THE UNITED STATES AND THE STATE THAT OUR ILLUSTRIOUS PRESIDENT IS FROM AND HAS THE STRICTEST GUN LAWS, GEE SOMETHING ISN'T WORKING, DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD MAKE SOME CHANGES ABOUT THAT INSTEAD OF LEGAL GUN OWNERS. YOU STUPID IDIOTIC LEGISLATIVE MORONS.

YAWWNN

Don't bother, liberals never let facts get in the way of their anti-gun agenda. They have been using the falsified data put out by the Brady Campaign for so long that they now believe it.

coasterfan

There is an excellent Opinion piece at CNN.com today that blows the NRA's morally reprehensible position out of the water. It also makes some very good points about how they deceive their small base of loud, but not very intelligent supporters. I urge all NRA members to have someone read the article to you.

YAWWNN

LOL, sort of like the gay rights activists and environmentalists? So you admit, all your little lefty special interest groups are nothing but a bunch of blowhards? That small organization has millions of members and far surpasses the membership or ANY group the libs have. Heck, the anti-gun organizations struggle to get 250,000 members combined.

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YAWWNN

Like a baby to a nipple...latch on much? Like KnuckleDragger, done responding to your unintelligent gibberish.

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KnuckleDragger

5...4...3...2...1, a little birdie just told me you were banned. LOL. Maybe they'll let you back if you decide to play nice and contribute something meaningful.

The Big Dog's back

Brady isn't a Liberal!

KnuckleDragger

Who said Brady was? The ignorance of the left is simply mind-numbing.

The Big Dog's back

So Brady is a conservative?

coasterfan

91% of Americans are in favor of universal background checks for gun purchases. Once again, GOP lawmakers justdon't seem to understand that they speak for a very small cross-section of Americans.

bullydogs1971

that is a bs statistic and you know it!

arnmcrmn

91% of Americans don't even vote for our presidential race every 4 years. Actually, its not even close to that. 91%.....lol.

YAWWNN

LOL, 91% of 500 residents polled in an urban area. Yup, I've looked at the marist poll breakdown and they had to really over sample inner city residents to get that number. If I did a poll and my sample had an 85% to 15% ratio of rural to urban residents, what do you think the outcome would be?

deertracker

Keep reading the polls. How did that work out for ya last November?

YAWWNN

That's my point, the poll that says 91% are for it is incorrect.

KURTje

Brady was Ron Reagan's favorite vegetable.

bullydogs1971

hey while we are arguing about whether or not citizens should be able to have "assault weapons"....we have a president with a kill list and great big scary drones carrying out these "hits" on terrorist and murdering innocent civilians (collateral damage)....but no one wants to talk about that....OUR PRESIDENT IS LEADING THE CHARGE TO DISARM US! This mass murdering coward wants your guns...this coward has order hits that have murdered over a hundred children...WANT A LIST OF THEIR NAMES!?!?

http://www.policymic.com/article...

So this is the person who wants YOUR guns???gonna give em to em?? I say put theirs down first!

Kimo

I have a greater chance of being killed by some kook with a gun that some kook with a nuclear warhead.
Gun industry is feeding both sides of this war.
They are in a win win situation.
I owned guns before most of you posters were hatched.
I still own guns but you would be hard pressed to convince me that an assault type gun makes the USA a safer place to live.
I do not live in the fear that anyone is going to take away any of my guns.
I do have concerns about the number of armed Rambo minded kooks that are roaming the streets, and business's that I frequent.

The gun industry is winning and will continue to play on people fears to keep winning.

end of story
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shucks

Well said Kimo.

YAWWNN

But werent you just on here earlier comparing the two? Please tell us Kimo how many of these "armed Rambo Kooks" (we know you are talking about CCW holders) have caused any problems in these so called businesses you frequent? You can't, because it happens so rarely. You have more of a chance of getting struck by lightening in the businesses you frequent than shot by a socalled "armed Rambo." Bet you still believe the blood in the streets argument don't you.

goofus

Holy Moley, guys with 50 cal machine guns and ammo belts dangled around their chest have invaded businesses on Catawba Island, just ask old Kimo.

goofus

Hey Krusty, you have a secret admirer!!!!! And he's a flaming lib like yourself.

KURTje

Kimo 1. yawn 0

OSUBuckeye59

The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution as ratified by the States reads as follows: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

I found two definitions for the word militia:
1) A military force of civilians to supplement a regular army in an emergency, and 2)A military force that engages in rebel activities.
Given how our great country was founded, both definitions apply.

Given the definition of the word militia, if I could I would post the following questions to both parties: "How can we well regulate a civilian militia in this country without infringing on the right of our people to keep and bear arms?"

As I see it, the answers aren't necessarily expanded background checks or gun regulation, per se. The answers are found in focusing on how to "well regulate" a militia of citizen people.

Ned Mandingo

Ask yourself, why do they want to take our guns while the dept. of homeland security is arming its self against us. Two billion bullets and armored personnel carriers? Why would the homeland security need all that fire power.
Don't believe their b.s. excuses. It starts with registration then confiscation.
Don't believe for a minute it's "for the children" . Our country kills more kids with bombs and drone strikes than any mental patient with a stolen rifle ever could.