Axe comes down Wednesday for Perkins Schools

School board set to approve a slew of cuts Wednesday totaling $12 million over the next few years.
Alissa Widman Neese
Apr 9, 2013

Perkins Schools is set to approve a slew of cuts Wednesday totaling $12 million over the next few years.

The list of district-wide reductions, unveiled late last month, includes axing nearly 40 jobs, eliminating field trips and at least doubling student pay-to-participate athletic fees. About 25 employees will be directly impacted, superintendent Jim Gunner said.

School board approval will make the changes final, for now, although the board plans to divide the cuts into two rounds.

The first round is larger and permanent. It totals about $2.4 million in the coming school year and $3.5 million the following year.

The second round, including fee increases and field trips, can be reversed if a majority of voters favor the district’s May levies. It totals about $468,000 in the upcoming school year.

The district is proposing two issues on the May ballot:

* A five-year renewal of a 2-mill permanent improvement levy.

* A 10-year, 4.98-mill emergency operating levy.

“If and when the levy passes, we’ll bring them back as quickly as possible, based upon the finances of the district at that time,” Gunner said after announcing the cuts in February.

If the 10-year levy fails, the district would face a deficit of more than $600,000 heading into 2014, with an annual budget of about $23 million.

View a list of the reductions here.

Comments

Kottage Kat

Build a school with less staff
Makes perfect sense to me ( sarcasam intended )

bobshumway92

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AJ Oliver

Thus the state sows chaos in local communities with its tax cuts for the 1%. (It's true, look it up.)

sandtown born a...

I am wondering if I am the only one to feel like this is basically blackmail. Either pass the levy for a new school or else these cuts will be made oh yeah your kids will also pay double to represent Perkins in sports DONT FORGET VOTE YES or else the AXE drops

sandtown born a...

I am wondering if I am the only one to feel like this is basically blackmail. Either pass the levy for a new school or else these cuts will be made oh yeah your kids will also pay double to represent Perkins in sports DONT FORGET VOTE YES or else the AXE drops

tlrchassis

When will you people realize that it costs money to have nice things. You cant expect to give our kids a nice place to go to school while being cheapos. Perkins is a nice place to live and send your kids to school. Lets keep it that way! If you dont like it move one district to the north, save a ton of money and then use it to support your offspring!

DLK

Just curious....do you personally pay property taxes?

themomx6

tlrchassis, that was a classless post. I shudder to think that perhaps Perkins schools produced someone like you.

Cowboy

Bring down the axe then! Because you are getting 2 NO votes from me and my 12 family members!

gene44870

What dont make sense and bothers me the most , it that they turned down state aid due to the timing , and if that is the case , didnt the trustees know about this state aid that they would get to help out with ? its crazy if you ask me , {which I am sure no one is }
And now they want the tax payers of the township to pay the full bill for all this , Well I can say that if it were me and i LIVED IN THE TOWNSHIP , I would vote it down , just due to the timing of it all .Just like the township turned down any help from the state .

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Cowboy

You hit the nail right on the head! It's ANOTHER one of their many shell games that they have been playing since Gumner has been our leader.

DLK

This is what should bother people...they moved operating money (inside millage) to permanent improvement to build a new school. They also used general fund money (a cool 1.5 million) to build a dream stadium. Now they are asking us to replace that operating money and still plan to lay off. I guess facilities are more important than the staff educating our kids. I will not be held hostage. I will be voting no...I've yet to meet anyone that supports the levy.

Tribester

You should meet me and my wife then because the two of us are voting YES!

tlrchassis

DLK: I dont completely disagree with your points but we cant punish the kids for the administrators spending. If the $ is gone its gone. Fix the operating funds problem now and then worry about getting the mgmt in check. And yes I pay my fair share of property taxes although as the property values drop, so do my taxes. Like it or not the quality of the school district affects property value. Fact is people are much more concerned about the health of a school district than the tax rate when they are looking for a place to raise their children.

DLK

The board and Superintendent are punishing the kids, not the voters. I'm not going to "fix" the operating fund problem, it was stolen by the board and Gunner. They created this mess, it's not up to me to clean it up. Move the money from PI back to operating and save the jobs. Kids can continue to receive their "effective" education in the buildings they have - that simple. I disagree with your statement about people not caring about tax rates, let's see your facts. With open enrollment, we have options where to send our kids to school.

perkinsparent

Well said!

perkinsparent

Same here...everyone I run into is saying no. Have yet to see a sign in support of the levies; all I see are the police signs.

Wald

I've seen one Vote No sign on Bogart Road but no Vote Yes signs. You don't think Gunner and the BOE are trying to sneak this levy through, do you? Lol

Tribester

They will get the same state money later for a future project (replacement of K-6) as a credit instead of money now for the 7-12. It's just a timing issue with the hoops the state makes you jump through to build with state assistance...NOT a shell game!

Suitcase Simpson

ha!ha! You just defined a shell game!

Cowboy

I'm thinking Tribester really doesn't have a clue.

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2cents

LOL, I do not even live in the township but my business is in their tax zone. I can not even vote one way or the other.....

Suitcase Simpson

VOTE NO! VOTE NO! VOTE nO!

By the way, Gunner should have been removed when his farcical windmills nearly killed people!

devilsadvocate

Sounds like a big shell game to get what they want. Some of the cuts seem like they should be made anyway - all fluff.

Suitcase Simpson

When students revealed that they actually employed a 'teacher' who sat in front of the class and slept for years was enough for me to know this school district was going down. When I saw how many teachers and administrators called off sick to go to Columbus to protest SB5, that should have cost them all of their positions. Look at how much we pay them for their health coverage and pensions! Disgusting!

DLK

How about the 3 Chinese teachers they recruited and house. How many employees actually went to China?

Cindi Davidson

They say Perkins care so much about their students??? It's the chosen ones! If you are not liked and you have the talent you still sit the bench??

JERRY from SANDUSKY

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One simple question what is Gunner and his associates going to Give back to the schools like salary to start Maybe some benefits too

perkinsparent

What a sad mess! We need a new Board, new superintendent, and new treasurer, but who in the heck will want to run for any of these positions knowing how frustrated the Perkins community is? Everyone is making good points and the bottom line is that the Perkins voters can't trust the school administration; therefore, not only will the emergency levy not pass, neither will the renewal levy. We moved into Perkins because of the schools and were willing to pay our share of taxes, but how much longer can we stand to be bullied by the school district? It is a shame that they continue to slash teachers from the payroll. Unfortunately, we may be pursuing other open enrollment options if the quality of education is threatened.

whocares

It sounds like the tax payer is being blackmailed to vote yes

Wald

Don't let Gunner and the BOE take away your rights. Please vote no.

Good 2 B Me

GUNNER MUST GO!!!

oldpirate

No matter how much u spread the inaccuracies my family will all vote for all the levies. You only hold yourselves hostage with your lack of vision and in the end we are all affected in a negative way.

Wald

I feel sorry for you that you're willing to allow Gunner and the BOE to take away your rights as a voter. Gunner says jump, old pirate asks how high.

oldpirate

Gladly! Some step up. Others only make excuses.

Wald

You keep telling yourself that.

donutshopguy

Not against the school, teachers or a possible building. I am against the manipulation of school funding to eliminate the public's vote on those funds.

How can you prevent this superintendent and school board or any future superintendent or school board from building an over elaborate facility with "a fountain" with the proposed millage change? If you vote for this operating levy you have given this superintendent and school board a building fund without a public check and balance. You will be giving all future superintendents and boards the same fund without a public vote.

I personally will not give up this right of future taxpayers. Until funds are returned and a public vote for building a new school is on the ballot I will be voting "no" on all levies that try to remove a public check and balance on bureaucrats.

goodtime1212

I agree, I am not against the idea, just do not trust this BOE and Mr Gunner with more tax payers money. (wont even get into Gunner not paying the tax he wants us to pay.) They have been told NO TO NEW TAX FOR A SCHOOL. But they went and made a bad situation worse buy building a new stadium, and moving money around.

beborcott

Where can I get a "Vote No" sign in town?

oldpirate

A majority of states don't vote.Taxes are assigned. This probably has to do with the inability of voters to make proper decisions. Ignore the leakin roof! It only will get more exspensive.

Wald

"This probably has to do with the inability of voters to make proper decisions." Typical of the arrogance shown by Gunner, your master. Plus I like your "leaking roof" lie. The health department said the building is fine. Looks like you are the one spreading inaccuracies!

Common Sense

Wald,
I was in the building this past fall and as I made my way through the office, I had to sidestep two large round trash bins (55 gallon containers)to avoid the leaks and this was in the main office, not the older part of the building. Perhaps you should come into the high school, ask for a tour and ask questions. No lies, just leaks.

Suitcase Simpson

Old Pirate, you or a family member must be a teacher of administrator. That is the only thing that can explain your willingness to drink you some Gunner Koolaid

Armymom7

I don't live in the Perkins school district so please explain something to me. Isn't the mall and all the businesses on 250 in Perkins? It seems like that would provide a lot of tax money to the district. Or were they given tax abatements so not much money come from them?

Darkhorse

Life still goes on if the taxpayers don't pass the levies. Throw it all on the backs of the taxpayer.

oldpirate

The health dept was a short term report. they only stated they could not find any present issues. They didn't say the buildings would be in good shape for a lengthy period of time. The place is full of things that need attention. You have a car with 100,000 miles. It runs ok today but you know it won't last.

goodtime1212

60 percent of the trouble is in 10 percent of the school, if I had a car with 100,000 miles that ran good but needed tires, I would just buy tires, that is living in my budget.

Good 2 B Me

IF you maintain said vehicle properly, there is no reason that it cannot last 300,000 or more miles with routine repairs.

bobshumway92

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donutshopguy

old,

Didn't the official school report say there was human waste under the high school. They said it three times so it has to be true, right?

Then the local health department disagreed.

Saying a lie numerous times does not make the information any more truthful.

oldpirate

there was human waste. They fixed the problem for now. I am sure the health dept would let the school stay open if the waste was leaking presently. I could just hear you then. School isn't doing their job.
I not gonna support them. EXCUSES!

bobshumway92

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donutshopguy

old,

Did you see the human waste?

You are sure the health department would allow the school to be open with human waste flowing under the school?

I'll get a hold of the health department to confirm your guess.

Good 2 B Me

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

GUNNER NEEDS TO GO

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

oldpirate

What I meant is they would close it down. The pipes are old. asbestos is all over the school. Contained for now with paint but not a good situation. The prudent thing is to build new. Band aid repairs just won't do.

bobshumway92

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Common Sense

How long since you have been able to set aside money to fix your house? Has the state made any "adjustments" to your house budget? Are you responsible for the safety of a large number of children daily? For thirteen years, the residents have sat idly by allowing our schools to operate without increased revenue and adding mandates (unfunded by state or federal government). Also, the state has reduced their funding of many schools and yet we want the same or better services than the year before.

Common Sense

How long since you have been able to set aside money to fix your house? Has the state made any "adjustments" to your house budget? Are you responsible for the safety of a large number of children daily? For thirteen years, the residents have sat idly by allowing our schools to operate without increased revenue and adding mandates (unfunded by state or federal government). Also, the state has reduced their funding of many schools and yet we want the same or better services than the year before.

Common Sense

How long since you have been able to set aside money to fix your house? Has the state made any "adjustments" to your house budget? Are you responsible for the safety of a large number of children daily? For thirteen years, the residents have sat idly by allowing our schools to operate without increased revenue and adding mandates (unfunded by state or federal government). Also, the state has reduced their funding of many schools and yet we want the same or better services than the year before.

DLK

So let me ask you this question, oldpirate...just what has the school done with permanent improvement money each year? The purpose of PI is to maintain your buildings. Why hasn't that been done? Most schools in the area are older than Perkins High School with the same if not more problems, yet well maintained.

Common Sense

Unfunded state and federal mandates, rewrite of industrial tax laws, and thirteen years losing industrial revenue, state funding, and property tax losses (my neighbor owes a tidy sum) added to thirteen years without any new operating income. Do the math!

Wald

"asbestos is all over the school." More of your "inaccuracies".

Suitcase Simpson

Based on his attitude, I think Old might be the human waste under the school!!!!!!!!!!

bobshumway92

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Tribester

Old pirate, you're wasting your time debating the flat earth society here on this board. The school could be on fire and bobshumway92 would say it just needs a new coat of paint and it would be good as new. I wonder if the Vote No crowd has the courage to display their ignorance to their neighbors with a Vote No sign in their front yard? I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. While you're at it Vote No crowd, I dare you to put a Vote No Perkins Police in your front yard. Cowards all!

bobshumway92

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donutshopguy

Tribester,

The Police Levy is "just a replacement levy". Except for the additional $900,000 additional taxes hidden in this "replacement levy".

It's important for the voting public to review the information supplied by local bureaucrats.

Vote what is best for yourself and your family.

Wald

The post by Tribester says it all. Typical arrogant pro-levy bullying tactics.

Suitcase Simpson

Wow, Gunner threatens the voters with his budget projection and now tribester threatens everyone who is going to vote no. And throws in a threat about the equally 'shell-game' tactic they're using on the police levee! They just don't get any lower than the tribester and the gunner. Make that Vote NO on BOTH LEVIES!!

bobshumway92

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doglegright

SB5.. Miss me yet??

"The Friedman Foundation for Economic Choice recently released a study that showed the amount of administrators (non-teachers) in the K-12 public education system has increased over 700 percent since 1950."

http://news.silobreaker.com/publ...

donutshopguy

old,

What is your vote worth? What is your child's vote worth? What is your grandchild's vote worth? What is your great grandchild's vote worth?

Are willing to give up yours and their rights to bureaucrats? Sure sounds like it. So sad.

underthebridge

DLK asks a great question:

"So let me ask you this question, oldpirate...just what has the school done with permanent improvement money each year? The purpose of PI is to maintain your buildings. Why hasn't that been done? Most schools in the area are older than Perkins High School with the same if not more problems, yet well maintained:

Common Sense

Check out the reply posted by me.

lugnut2511

Kind of like the police, build a new station, then tell the public there may have to be cuts made..Sounds like the townhall needs a shaken up some

Truth or Fiction

I have one question for all those who continally decry the cost of public education - What is your answer to educating the youth of America?

bobshumway92

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BW1

My answer is that there is ZERO correlation between per pupil spending and outcome. The USA has the highest per pupil spending and the worst results in the industrialized world. My answer is that public education, like all government institutions, will waste as much money as you give it, and so it's up to the voters to control it.

donutshopguy

Truth,

My answer is that the public in each school district should decide what is best for their community. If you don't agree with the majority vote of the community you can move, open enroll your child in another school or try to change the majority's minds.

If a new school needs to be built than it is the school board's responsibility to inform the public . If the public doesn't agree with their conclusion ,than the school board did not do their job well enough to obtain a majority approval.

Today, the superintendent and school board must feel they can't adequately express their conclusion so they are attempting to eliminate the public vote on the building of a new school. The maneuvering of millage is the start of the process. Then additional money is needed to replace the orchestrated money transfer from the operating side of funding.

I do not want bureaucrats only to decide if we need a new building. The majority of the public in this school district should make that decision.

Holding true to my American values,integrity and deep conviction in our country I must vote "no" on the upcoming operating levy.

littlemary69

For those of you who are voting NO so angrily, had that board come to you and ASKED for your vote instead of manipulated you as you feel that have, would your vote still be no? Or would you then have voted yes? It sounds like you are voting no because you are being manipulted not asked.

If this board had not switched money around to build your football stadium, would you be so mad about building a school now and if you had state funds helping, would you be voting no? Just wondering after I read all these posts, because that is how it sounds. I am new here and it sounds like that is what you are all saying, especially you, donutshopguy.

donutshopguy

littlemary69,

I met with the superintendent. We discussed the transfer of funds and the new school on two different occasions. These meeting lasted hours. Many suggestions and proposals were discussed.

I was totally for the private funding of the new football stadium. I donated my own money and spent hundreds of hours working on the project.

Entitlement is slowly coming to an end. The federal government is cutting back funds to states. States are cutting back funds to schools and communities. Funding will never be the same.

I am for personal liberty. The liberty to vote on taxes to support the general well being of our community. Our school board is trying to take away on of those liberties. If you vote for the operating level you have agreed with their millage switch. If you agree than you, your children and their children will never be able to vote for or against the building of schools in this community. I am not ready to give up my rights to bureaucrats just to make their life easier. Freedom is not easy. Too many American gave up their lives to protect my freedom. I will not just hand it away.

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BW1

There are two questions for them to ask - about building a new school, and about the funding level of the district.

They asked the first question, were told no, and then opted to defy that answer, by stealing the ongoing funding, and then re-asking the second question, asking voters to fund operations twice.

Donut shop and others here opposing this levy have already pointed out that they've voted for past operating levies. Did you miss that, or are you just one of the mindless syncophants who say yes to everything the board asks without evaluating it?

coasterfan

I hope the anti-education folks won't mind if I point out the huge elephant in the room. Ohio's current system of funding schools via local tax levies was deemed unconstitutional in the late 1990's, and a solution still has not been enacted. Our current governor only made things worse, by cutting funding for education at the state level, forcing local taxpayers to cover an even greater portion of the tax burden.

There, friends, is the real problem. I really don't care if you have an axe to grind against a school administrator. That's not a good reason to vote down a levy, because it hurts nearly a thousand kids in the process. They deserve better. People voted for levies when MY kids were in school, and now I vote for levies so that today's kids can receive what my kids did. I urge those with a conscience to do the right thing for the kids.

donutshopguy

Coaster,

Hope you don't mind if I point out a bigger elephant. The government intrusion into our personal liberty to fund this entitlement.

Federal, state and local bureaucrats are manipulating laws to continue to fund programs without public vote. Case in point, the attempt of building a new school in Perkins Township without a public vote on the issue. If fact, they have orchestrated a situation where you will never get to vote on a school building.

I'm not against supporting my local schools. This will be the first time I have ever voted against a reasonable request to fund education.

My elephant is a symbol of freedom. Your elephant is a symbol of entitlement.

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BW1

Coaster, the elephant is dead. The DeRolph decision was purely political and it's going nowhere. There is no solution to enact that doesn't make things worse - it's been tried, from Los Angeles to Vermont, with disastrous results.

For the most part, kids whose parents value and understand education will achieve and learn, and kids whose parents don't, won't. The former group will seek to locate and school their kids so as to limit their exposure to the influence of the latter group's kids, and the socialist dreamers will work to thwart them and to take ever more of our money to waste on doomed attempts at overcoming parental ignorance and apathy. The best anyone can do is raise your kids to want to learn, and put your district on a financial diet.

Common Sense

Thank you!

Common Sense

Thank you!

PerkinsVoter

I vote NO! My taxes went up while others went down. I am paying over $400 more in taxes than last year. I cannot afford home maintenance, better health care and a much needed operation. Soon I will not be able to pay my property taxes and the sheriff will sell my home. Oldpirate thinks that I am self centered because I am broke. My bank account is now zero.

Common Sense

Your situation is only because of the school? Doubtful.

PerkinsVoter

Oldpirate is too self centered. Oldpirate should write a $400 check to the school. I did not vote for my $400 property tax increase.

The New World Czar

Interestingly enough, all the pro-levy signs in my neighborhood happen to be in front of school employee houses. Any possible connection with who is really behind passing the levies?

oldpirate

Perkins voter that just means you been slacken past years.

PerkinsVoter

Don't call be a slacker. I have had to go to the board of revision twice and had my taxes lowered. I will not dish out another $400 to $600 for a appraisal. This time the auditor demands that the appraiser be present at the board of revision which will cost extra. Realators want to list my home for sale abour 20 percent lower than what the tax man says my house is worth. http://www.zillow.com/ and http://www.trulia.com/real_estat... shows that my house is valued at 20 or 25 percent lower than what the county auditor says it is worth. Check all of the supporters of taxes at zillow and trulia against the county auditor. Put in a name or address and you can see for yourself.
http://erie.iviewtaxmaps.com/ Put in the names of teachers and people with signs in their yards and see for yourself. Don't call me a slacker because my taxes have been high for years and I never got a tax rebate after two previous board of revision hearing when my house value dropped about 30 percent each time. Then 3 or 6 years later, the value goes up 30 percent. I was going to vote for the police levy but because oldpirate called me a slacker and self centered, I will vote NO to ALL tax levies. I have been paying over and above taxes for years. I have already paid more than my fair share of taxes. I vote NO.

oldpirate

Grow up. Go out to your doomsday bunker and complain to yourself how you have been wronged.

donutshopguy

old,

Your masters (the superintendent and BOE) need to muzzle you. You are costing them votes.

oldpirate

duhnut I'm pretty sure i haven't changed a thing. More excuses!

Wald

The only one making excuses and telling lies on here is you, oldpirate. You're trying to spin and shill to cover your master stealing taxpayer money for his school and stadium and want us to bail him out. It isn't going to happen, though.

DLK

Still waiting on your "educated" response oldpirate...just what has Perkins spent PI money on over the years? Why haven't they used it for its intended purpose...to maintain facilities? Other schools do with buildings just as old if not older.

Common Sense

Check out my reply on page 2.

arnmcrmn

I guess I don't get people. They say vote no....the schools need to cut things. So they cut 12 million and then they say in the next sentence......Why are they cutting this or that? What about the kids?

You simply cannot have your cake and eat it too voters.

DLK

Not sure the issue is with cuts, more cutting out the lofty idea of building a grand school using stolen operating funds. What about the kids? Well, they can continue to receive their education in the building they have with the resources available. Who's the wanting to have their cake and eat it, too?

Wald

I don't want any cake. I want my money out of Gunner's hands.

oldpirate

It I promise you will only get more expensive DLK.If you stop an old pipe from leaking it:s still old and will leak again. If you choose to maintain your house in a band aid fashion have at it. I expect more from the people in charge of my school. Go over and see for yourself but I won't hold my breath.

DLK

Quite possibly the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard. Stop drinking the kool-aid.

And the arrogance you continue to portray does nothing to help your case.

oldpirate

Whatever makes your shortsightedness seem reasonable. We don't agree.
Have a nice day.

DLK

Notice how you have nothing intelligent to say, but simply resort to attacking those that don't agree with you. Thank you, I will have a wonderful day...especially come May 7.

underthebridge

Really asking: Where did the PI money go that they were supposed to use to maintain the facilities? Was it used for the stadium? Was it used for the laptops? Where did it go?

Common Sense

Check out the reply posted when the question was asked on page 2.

oldpirate

Any more arrogant than you attacking the Board and Gunner? No we don't agree.

DLK

Not arrogance. Just pointing out the facts oldpirate. They moved inside millage to build a school against the wishes of the majority of their voters. They falsely gave claims the school was not safe (rebutted later by the health department). They contributed $1.5 mill from the general fund to a new stadium....money that could be used to retain jobs at the school (afterall, a good education comes from quality teachers, not the structure). Now they want us to fix their funding gap and are holding us hostage. No thanks, they lost my vote and confidence.

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BW1

Calling criticism of public officials arrogant pretty much tells us all we need to know about you - that you hate the founding principles of this nation.

Public officials work for us - we are the boss of them. You seem to have a problem with that concept. I'm sure Kim Jong Un would love to have you as a loyal subject.

observer

Oldpirate said:

" I expect more from the people in charge of my school."

^^^^ That's the first intelligent comment he's made! There are a WHOLE lot of people who agree with you.