Sandusky needs $3 million loan for street repairs

“We do not have additional revenue to support this capital project,” city manager Nicole Ard recently told commissioners. “Ordinarily, I would not suggest additional debt, but we need to do something.”
Andy Ouriel
Apr 1, 2013

 

Sandusky’s top administrator has proposed adding another $3 million in debt to pave the city’s rockiest roads, which are infuriating drivers and hindering economic development.

Sandusky’s debt already totals $67 million, and any more red ink could impact long-term finances.

During a recent budget session, Ard asked commissioners to consider either a no- or low-interest loan to resurface at least eight bumpy streets.

“They’re all in need of reconstruction,” Ard said.

The city’s tight $16 million budget cannot support $3 million in additional road projects. 

“We do not have additional revenue to support this capital project,” Ard said. “Ordinarily, I would not suggest additional debt, but we need to do something.”

The idea is merely a suggestion, and at least one commissioner is treating it as such.

“It’s still in the preliminary stage,” commissioner Wes Poole said. “I won’t give it more thought until it crystallizes more than something she thought about.”

Sandusky officials already outlined various road projects through 2015, including constructing the west-end overpass by Tiffin Avenue and Venice Road, bolstering the Camp Street underpass and resurfacing First Street from Cedar Point Drive to Meigs Street.

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Comments

arnmcrmn

Wait...Im sure Art can just sit down for 5 minutes and find money somewhere.....I mean thats how her budget was completed.

reader

When is the city going to raise the admissions tax? I'd like to see an article comparing the local rate to that in other popular tourist destinations nationally.

KnuckleDragger

So you think CP and the its visitors should be the only one paying for Sandusky's infrastructure? Here is a novel idea, how about all the entitlement moochers go get a job so the income tax can pay for improvements that they are the ones who use.

bobshumway92

Income tax increase coming.

OMG.LOL.WT_

Too bad they can't just print money like Bernanke does.

wiredmama222

for those complaining about their streets being that bad, why not do those streets and have them pay a street assessment for the paving like some communities do. Nothing is free anymore. Put it on your present taxes over a period of 10 years or so. All this complaining and everyone wants it free, right? Perhaps that is what is wrong with us, we all have become a society of "expectant to have's" without costs or repurcussions. Me included.

deertracker

I live where some important city employees live and the streets are in tip top condition. No gripes here. LOL!

wiredmama222

LOL..isn't it amazing how that works. I wonder how THAT was accomplished. Just like I don't understand why CP has NEVER chipped in to maintain the streets that carry the people coming to their park. You would think they would pony up some funds to assist with that. If those couple of streets go down, they won't get people driving in, now will they. Seems like a good investment for CP to make. What is that: three or four streets? Not too much money for a big company that just put in a huge ride. After all, they could help a little bit, say adopt one long street?

reserved

You may recall several years back, the City explored and then implemented a parking tax. After CP complained, and if I recall correctly, threatened to leave, the "Fab 4" repealed that legislation. CP subsequently increased their parking fee. Amazing how THAT works, now isn't it?

2cents's picture
2cents

Outside the city limits?

SamAdams

No, it is NOT "all this complaining and everyone wants it free." What at least those who are RESPONSIBLE want is for our tax dollars to be spent both frugally and appropriately. What we WANT is for government at all levels to stop the frivolous spending (just like normal people and businesses have to) and spend only on necessities!

I won't argue that roads are necessary, or that they're the province of government at various levels to build and maintain. What I WILL argue is that cities, counties, states, and the federal goverment would HAVE the money if they stopped wasting it on nonsense like studies, retreats, bonuses, vacations, etc.

Lissa4u

As a property owner, I have to pay taxes on my property. Since much of Sandusky is said to be rental property, why don't they create a new tax that taxes people who choose to rent instead of buying homes? They could call it a renter's tax. It would certainly ease the tax burdens of home owners, bring in a needed revenue for the city, and maybe encourage some renters to become homeowners.

Lissa4u

Oops. Hit the button twice and double posted. Sorry.

deertracker

Here's a novel idea, why not make the owners of those rentals pay their delinquent taxes? Problem solved. So make those that are already struggling pay even more? Do you have any idea how ridiculous your comment is? Thought not!

KnuckleDragger

You mean the ones that are struggling so bad that they have enough money to sit on the porch, drink beer, and smoke blunts all day. Yup, sounds like they don't have any disposable income at all. Maybe they should give up their life of leisure that we are paying for and earn an income. At least then, the city could benefit from the income tax. As it stands now, I would be the majority of income tax collected is from people who don't even live in the city limits. As for the unpaid taxes by rental owners, ya they should be forced to pay. The thing is, the city isn't doing it. There is a mechanism for doing it, but I don't see the city exercising its right to a foreclosure and tax sale of these properties. Seems to me the city is also to blame.

deertracker

Where is this life of leisure you speak of? You are sooooooooo outdated with your views and facts about welfare. It just doesn't work that way. Clinton changed that YEARS ago. You really truly need to educate yourself on exactly how welfare works and the necessary qualifications. The city is the only one to blame. If you really think the majority of people in Sandusky don't work, you are totally clueless. You can only collect income taxes from those that work in the city and I am sure that most people that work here, live here. I used to live in Norwalk and the streets are not much better.

KnuckleDragger

Really? You should get out more. In my job I am in and out of these welfare households every shift, albeit not in Sandusky. Clinton only changed how long the adult could get welfare. As long as they keep spitting out kids, they keep getting a check. Go volunteer in the ER at Firelands someday, you might be shocked to see how these generational welfare recipients game the system. Let me give you an example.

50 yr old Mary no longer can reproduce. Mary can no longer get a check in 2 yrs because her youngest child, Patrice will turn 18. Patrice is 16 and hasn't spit out any kids yet. Mary, worried she will now be faced with not having an income talks Patrice into finding a baby daddy to knock her up. Patrice obliges, becomes pregnant, and we foot the bill for the birth. Patrice then signs over legal custody to her mom, who then goes down and signs the child up for welfare. Don't believe me? I have seen it several times and the kids that are being taught how to game the system by spitting out illegitimate kids are as young as 11 yrs old. Child abuse comes to mind. Apparently you believe this is OK.

Also, I don't recall saying the majority in Sandusky don't work. As for the majority of people that work in Sandusky living there. I wouldn't be too sure of that. I know an awful lot of people who work in Sandusky City limits and few of them live in the city. Heck, most of the city employees won't even live there. The streets of Norwalk are not great, but they are in much better shape than Sandusky.

Mrjsiah1

I thought you were a teacher . That was last year . No you worked in the emergency room last year and at the rent to own . No wonder you are confused all the jobs you say you have. If you are going to come on here and bash sandusky people and live in norwalk where things are just as bad at least dont lie about people like me who do work multiple jobs and my wife who do work at the hospital where you said you worked .

KnuckleDragger

I see your dementia is acting up again. I NEVER said I was a teacher. I have NEVER worked for rent to own. I did work in Firelands ER, part time. I do work full time in health care, just not at Firelands anymore. Oh, and I don't live in Norwalk either and never have. Nobody is lying about you. If you don't fit in the category of welfare scammer, then I wasn't referring to you. I do agree with you that Norwalk is just as bad, and if you went to the Norwalk reflector site, you would know I am just as critical of the idiots there.

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your babies Daddy

He is a troll with a made up life, that hides in his mommas basement and post non-sense here 22 hours a day.

YAWWNN

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KnuckleDragger

All this from someone who has been a member of these boards from less than a month, and has yet to post anything substantive, or that adds to a discussion. I doubt you ever will, judging from your ignorant username. Now run along and get to producing more of those little welfare checks.

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your babies Daddy

Well there sonny boy would you like to sit down face to face and have a little chit chat? From one Veteran to another at the VFW, if they will even let you in. You can even bring your boy friend too. Come on boy don't be scared.

Mrjsiah1

You cant even talk to this person deertrack if you go check posts from the past you will notice who they are talking about. They come on here and bash people and lie about their own job if they have one.

KnuckleDragger

So now we are going to bring race into it? Love it!!! I don't recall ever bringing up race, since there are likely more whites scamming the system than blacks. I have never lied about my own job, and there are several people on here that know me personally and know that I haven't. Throwing up the race card may buy you brownie points with people like deerturd, who lives off of his wife but not from most people. Keep on keepin' on with the race thing. I bet it has really helped you get ahead.

Lissa4u

So you're saying that all people who rent are struggling? I know a lot of people who rent because they don't want to pay property taxes and/or upkeep of owning their own home. If I were a renter, I would be maddened by your generalization of every renter struggling to get by.

wiredmama222

rental costs in Sandusky are high. Why not tell these landlords to pay their back taxes. It's their property. why would a renter pay property tax for a landlord?????

KnuckleDragger

They are high only because the govt is subsidizing alot of them.

deertracker

Who collects those subsidies? I bet those same subsidies help to pay lots of mortgage payments in the suburbs.

KnuckleDragger

So now you can use METRO to make a mortgage payment? Nope, don't think so. I see you've latched back on to my tip again. Stalker.

deertracker

Typical CON, avoid the truth! I guarantee you some of those delinquent taxes are connected to property owners that live in Perkins and other very nice suburbs. If they receive a METRO check at the first of the month, I wonder how they spend it. Keep puckering up for the rich.

KnuckleDragger

Again, let that jealousy shine through. You really hate people who are more successful than you. You should loosen up a little, before you bust a vessel in your brain. I would rather pucker up for the people who make things happen in America, than do as you, bend over and take it from those who are dragging us down. What are you worried about anyway? As long as you have your wife to support you, you're golden.

pavedparadise

$11 million in taxes owed to Erie County

Almost 2,300 area properties are tax delinquent, translating to nearly $11 million missing from the county's coffers, according to a Register analysis of financial data obtained through a public records request.

Andy Ouriel Jun 11, 2012

Bess

Do you include your property tax on the rent? This cost is usually calculated when establishing the rent and included. I don't see how you can complain unless you are business incompetent.

Darkhorse

$67 million in debt and we are going to take on more debt to fix the streets. When you fail to do maintenance on anything, you get behind until you can't dig yourself out of the hole anymore. It is time to stop throwing away the money and get a five year project plan going. We need to work to get the debt off our backs and maybe we would have money to do some projects.

arnmcrmn

Willard is in the same boat. Patched for years now most of the streets are so bad that they don't have the funds to fix them.

doppleganger

Let's start by making sure that every rental property is registered as a rental. There is a yearly fee that most landlords are not paying. They don't register the property as rental and the city does not actively enforce the fee. I know it won't solve all of the budget problems, but it's a start. AND collect the back due taxes already!

Centauri

The city should have filed a civil lawsuit against the crooks who enriched themselves from the CHIP scandal. Wasn't that about $3 million that cost the city of Sandusky, Ohio? Crooks have been enriching themselves from Ohio taxpayers for years. Go after the crooks and not the taxpayers for additional taxes. Has Sandusky, Ohio recovered any money from their insurance company for the theft from the CHIP funds? I didn't think so.

sandusky2012

I have an IDEA lets have a Landlord tax for each slump they own and rent out... say like one city commissioner wont say his name

reporter54

I need a 3 million dollar loan also. Anyone?

reporter54

If renters have to pay a renter's tax, then the city is getting the property tax from the owner and tax from the renter. That's double-taxing and unfair. Many renters don't want the burden of home ownership or just plain can't afford it. I would imagine that in Sandusky, many renters are Section 8 renters also. Good luck getting them to pay for the privilege of an apartment that goes by their income.

Fireside

I gotta laugh....everytime the city needs money you bloggers and commissioners yell "raise taxes" and look to Cedar Point. "When is the city going to raise the admissions tax?" the city gets more everytime the cost of admissions goes up. Same as income tax, commissioners say "the tax hasen't been raised since 1950", is anybody still making what they made in 1950? When wages go up the amount of income tax paid is more. Is anybody REALLY surprised by LESS State money? Really? We have all heard about these cuts coming since Stricklands last 2 years in office. NOBODY...city, township, schools should be claiming to be surprised by the budget shortfalls. YOU just did not prepare. We should be trying to do away with our income tax to attract business to the city, not raise taxes to drive em out.

pavedparadise

Easier to cut heads in government and raise taxes instead of government tightening their belt and watching how they spend money.

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2cents

I listened about these guys while at lunch today.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012...

pavedparadise

Great post.

pptrsha

how many people on here own rental property? how many deal with "section 8", public housing or HUD? how many people know the formula for determining rent payments? what is fair market value for rentals? how much can you deduct in repairs when you do your taxes? do you pay rental fees to the city?

Fireside

Govt needs to learn from private sector. What did the "Big 3" do when money became scarce? Outsourced, sold off parts plants, closed non-productive shops, got the floor level workers more involved (listened) ect ect.
Can Govt still afford teachers striking for MORE vacation time while making 80k plus and working 9 months?
Can govt still afford 50k to start for police?
Can govt still afford 80k average salary for police?
Can govt still afford 110k firemen, working 3-4 days per week?
Can our local govt still afford 5-6 100k per year police chiefs? 4-5 100k per year fire chiefs? 4-5 100k plus per year school supers?
Are there better ways?
Remember govt money is OUR money!

Lissa4u

Teachers don't make 80 thousand plus a year. They also don't get 3 months off. Do you realize that teachers have to take thousands of dollars worth of classes EACH YEAR to renew their teaching licenses? Do you know how much time they spend each summer working on things for their classrooms? Do you know how much money a teacher spends OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET to educate your children (they supply scissors, glue, paper, pens and pencils, crayons, etc...especially to those students who's parents think the cheap stuff they buy at the beginning of the year will last for 9 months;they also provide snacks, books, decorations, candy, snacks, etc...). Teachers decorate their rooms with things they've made or bought out of their own money. Do you have to do that at YOUR job? No. Everything you need to do your job is provided to you without it costing you anything.

The people who think teachers have it easy, in my opinion, are the ones that were trouble makers in the classroom when they themselves were in school. They hated school then; they hate it, and teachers, today.

Volunteer in a classroom and you'll find out that a teacher doesn't make anywhere near what they should. Oh, and if you think they are off work after the children leave, you are, again, sadly mistaken. Most don't leave the school for hours after their students leave, and if they do leave with the children, you can be guaranteed they will be lugging a tote of work to do at home. Teachers work a lot harder for the money they do earn than most people out there making the same wage, but you won't believe me because you are already biased against teachers or you wouldn't have made such a ridiculous statement when you said teachers make 80 thousand dollars a year for 9 months of work.

Katelih-Trailer...

My kids teacher earns $73,000 a year.. http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/...

jon491

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VOTENO

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KnuckleDragger

I don't know where you live but there are few teachers in my district that make under $75K, and the ones I know personally spend their summer vacation working another full time job, not prepping for the next year. They don't start prepping until a week away.

KnuckleDragger

Actually, the big 3, well Chrysler and GM used taxpayer money in the form of a bailout.

Cowboy

This is no longer an issue. The city just announced that they secured a 10.5 million dollar grant from The Human Fund. So this is no longer an issue.

reader

Like I posted earlier....Let's see a comparison of the admissions tax locally and that in other tourist destination communities nationally.

How about it, Andy, Matt ?

Kottage Kat

Lisa dear,
You need to know that some other professions provide their own equipment
My mother was a teacher, bought all classroom stuff herself
are you sure today teachers are not reimbursed or given a budget for supplies?
Have seen some use what looked like vouchers.

T. A. Schwanger

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To see how a City budget work session truly works.

Monday FEBRUARY 2, 2009 4:30 PM At 4:30 pm ... - City of Sandusky
www.ci.sandusky.oh.us/documents/...

Julie R.

I know a lot of people in Huron that have rental properties in Sandusky. Some of them even work at the Erie County courthouse. I know of one that has 3 rental properties in Sandusky. I heard not too long ago when they tried to sell one of the properties the loan fell through because of "problems" with the title. You can bet there are a lot of properties in Erie County like that. I would be willing to bet quite a few of the rental properties on Cedar Point Road and Curran Street ~ that the common pleas court ruled could stay as rental properties ~ have "problems" with the titles, too.

sandusky2012

HEY LETS HAVE A BAKE SALE !!!!!!!!
how many cupcakes do we need to sell?

KURTje

In this equation could there be a parallel to Willard/Metro/Jerry Stackhouse? Govt. $$ for the moneyed few?

OnlyfoolsAssume

Just an fyi over 50% of the city does not work. Also somewhere around 60% does not pay taxes. That's the problem right there government entitlements. Those of us who have a job have to make up for all the dead beats and their 8 kids

deertracker

Can you backup your comment with stats?

KnuckleDragger

Why should he, you never do. Do your own research, you sure seem to have enough time on your hands to do it. A fairly good indication is the fact that Sandusky schools report that 80% of their students receive free or reduced lunches. So either alot are underemployed or not employed. I agree that 50% is probably a bit on the high side.

OnlyfoolsAssume

And police officers start at 30 some thousand a year. 80k is because of all the OT opportunities the city doesn't pay for. Everything you listed is needed idk about at 100k plus but I pay their salary just like you and im fine with it

Pete

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

"As for the city's $20 license-plate fee, that generates about $430,000 dollars per year. Right now, that money goes toward a variety of things in the street department, including paying off the $300,000 Monroe Street Resurfacing Project from 2008, personnel costs and the cost of several retirements."

So.... almost half a million a year in taxes on license plates alone isn't enough? Shouldn't this be going to fixing streets instead of "personnel costs and retirements"? How much of the $433,000 then (2010) was needed to pay off a project form 2008? Didn't they collect the $20 in 2008?

And now they want to borrow $3,000,000 more?

Just Sayin IMHO

“It’s still in the preliminary stage,” commissioner Wes Poole said. “I won’t give it more thought until it crystallizes more than something she thought about.”

If our city people are just going to sit by and let someone ELSE fix the problem that is sitting right in front of them, then it seems to me that they are part of the problem, and not part of the solution. We are supposed to WORK TOGETHER, not walk over a mess and wait for someone else to clean it up.

Am I wrong?

pavedparadise

Amusement Admission Taxes in Ohio;; Vary between 1.5% and maximum of 8%

tax.ohio.gov/portals/0/communications/publications/...admission tax

Free Man

maybe nasa plumbrook can give the city money..I here plumbrook will help the city grow..well here you go

KURTje

OOOooo. A real tuffy. Airforce.

KnuckleDragger

A PJ at that, come back?

KURTje

Old Corps Hard Corps.