Ohio senator has change of heart on gay marriage

Republican U.S. Sen. Rob Portman said Thursday that he now supports gay marriage because one of his sons is gay.
Associated Press
Mar 15, 2013

 

Ohio's junior senator made the disclosure during an interview in Washington, The Cincinnati Enquirer reported.

"It's a change of heart from the position of a father," he told three reporters during a 45-minute session in his office. "I think we should be allowing gay couples the joy and stability of marriage."

He also outlined his position in an op-ed in the Columbus Dispatch.

As a member of the House in 1996, Portman voted in favor of the Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage as between a man and a woman and bars federal recognition of same-sex marriage.

Portman said Thursday his evolution on the subject of gay marriage began in 2011 when his son, Will, then a freshman at Yale University, told his parents he was gay. Portman said he and his wife, Jane, were very surprised but also supportive.

The Enquirer reported that Portman talked to his pastor and to people on both sides of the gay marriage issue, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., who is opposed to gay marriage, and former Vice President Dick Cheney, who supports it. Cheney's daughter is a lesbian.

Portman told reporters his previous views on marriage were rooted in his Methodist faith.

Portman said Thursday he would like Congress to repeal the provision of the DOMA that bans federal recognition of gay marriage, though he still supports the part of the law that says states should not be forced to recognize such marriages.

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bucknut36

So when it was everyone else, it was a sin. But now that it is his son, it is acceptable. HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!

Gardenman

Let me see if I have this right. Portman is elected to US Senate from Ohio to represent the PEOPLE of Ohio. So he gets elected and goes to Washington and he is against gay marriage because of HIS Methodist church affiliation. Then he finds out HIS son is gay so HE changes HIS mind and now favors gay marriage.

Where do we find these people to run for office???? Evidently Senator Portman who was elected the the MAJORITY of votes in Ohio goes to the Senate and votes for not the MAJORITY of folks in his state the the way HE FEELS on issues the majority of voters be darn.

Regardless of the way you feel on the gay issue this Portman should be packing his bags and heading home to Ohio after the next time he runs. O agree..WHAT A HYPOCRITE !!!!

Bluto

Just like on the gun control issue . The majority of these Republican's constituents in their home states support universal background checks yet every Republican voted against it . I guess the gun manufactures have more pull with the Republicans then the ones who voted them in .

KnuckleDragger

That was only a panel to bring it to the Senate floor. Many Dems will also vote against it when it comes for the full vote. Even if it makes it through the Senate, there is no way any gun control measure will make it through the house. On that note, the background check issue has a much better chance of passing than Feinsteins "scary looking" gun ban does. Even in the Senate, a good portion of Dems have went on record saying they wouldn't vote for it. Maybe someone should ask Feinstein and Pelosi when they plan to give up their California concealed carry permits?

Bluto

Oooo , Still conjuring that the big , bad boogeyman government wants to take your guns ? Got news for ya , Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny aren't real either . ; )))

KnuckleDragger

I'm not really worried about it, I wouldn't give up my guns anyway. Aside from that, gun control has no chance of passing right now. Not sure how you got that I was worried about it from my post. Nice job of making stuff up though.

"I have been studying this issue for many years. I have viewed hundreds of pictures of guns." -Diane Feinstein :)

KnuckleDragger

So where were you when Obama's views on gay marriage "evolved?" Regardless, Portman won't be seeing my vote next time around. Civil unions...fine. Gay marriage, no way!!!

Simple Enough II

I agree with you on that KD.

John Harville

KD... good news for Ohio Democrats...

John Harville

GArdenman. Every public servant is ELECTED by a majority of those voting to represent ALL the people of his/her constituency (school district, municipality, county, state, nation). Not EVERY Ohioan votes - even the ones old enough.
The sad part, here, is that Portman was adamant UNTIL it affected him personally. Even sadder is that he wants national law to protect marriage equality but wants states to be allowed to set their own laws - totally ignoring the 14th Amendment.

bucknut36

Maybe Portman can get Michelle Bachman and her husband to"pray away the gay". Which they claimed they could do. You are right Gardenman, where do we get find these people?

John Harville

Where do we find them? Portman - and John Kasich - were the SAVIOURS in the Bush Administration and in the 90s Congress who balanced the budget. That's where we get them.

And you voted them into office.

Phil Packer

What's wrong with being happy these days?

eddiec1985

A parent's love knows no bounds. I respect him more because he places family needs above political beliefs.

grandmasgirl

Just because your son/daughter is for something doesn't mean that you can't respectfully disagree with them. If they admitted that they had another issue, say drugs, or being sexually attracted to children, would the father say that it was okay? To me, this just says that this father would be okay with anything his son did. It is one thing to love your child in spite of something. It is another to have people vote for you because of what they THOUGHT you stood for.

eriemom

"Just because your son/daughter is for something doesn't mean that you can't respectfully disagree with them."

By this logic you would respectfully disagree about what color eyes they have. The child was born with blue eyes, but you respectfully disagree and hold you position that his/her eyes are brown.

John Harville

Gammasgirl... "is FOR something"? So if my son or daughter is 'FOR' being left-handed, I should respectfully disagree? Ya know, for years left-handed children were forced to be right-handed.
And for a long time red-haired children faced discrimination.
And if my son or daughter is diagnosed with Aspergers or Autism I still could 'resepctfully' disagree with his/her desire to function in the world and institutionalize them?
So you are comparing SEXUALITY with DRUG ABUSE and PEDOPHILIA?

Contango

Not in the Constitution: States rights issue.

Want it to be the "law of the land"? Constitutional Amendment.

John Harville

14th Amendment... So, you favor abolishing DOMA?

Second Opinion

Its Easter time, so lets consider this in relation to this time of year.

Portman has no convictions based upon absolutes, his 'religion' is self made to suit his personal desires, experiences, pride and wants. He calls himself a Christian but ignores the Scriptures where Gods commandments are taught to Christians. Portman’s arrogance has set himself to be the standard of what is good and evil instead of believing the letters God has provided for those who are called by His name,
There is little difference between Portman’s action and that of Adam and Eve, Some day, maybe at the Day of Judgment Portman will realize his nakedness. When Adam and Eve sinned against God its recorded that their spiritual eyes were ‘opened’, they knew they were no longer related to the all Holy God and now belonged to their father the devil, as Christ speaks about throughout the scriptures. So they tried to get back into the relationship they had with God and they made themselves clothing of plant leaves, hoping God wouldn’t notice they were naked spiritually. So we today do the same thing but with differences. The cloths made from plants did nothing to cover or rid them of the guilt and condemnation they had inside their heart and souls, so they hid themselves from Gods presence. It wasn’t until GOD Himself sacrificed animals and made them clothing from the animal skins that Adam and Eve was able to be covered spiritually. The Bible says:
“Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin”
There is no blood in fig leaves or other plants which historically has been used in pagan rituals to appease their gods. During Mardi Gras people live like demons and commit every sin against God imaginable and then they believe they can sacrifice something they enjoy such as coffee, chocolate etc and this will somehow appease an all Holy God who crucified His son for those sins? This is PURE MOCKERY of Gods death on the cross! ANY sacrifice that man does in an effort to make right the wrongs they have committed to an all Holy God is blasphemy, it’s an insult to God. Forgiveness comes ONLY from CHRIST’S shedding of blood and death on the cross for our sins and nothing else can appease a Holy God except someone pay the price of our sins by their life being taken. Like it or not that is a fact, God condemned Cain for a bloodless sacrifice and if you try to appease God’s wrath by circumventing Christ’s death you do not know the God of the Bible. Until one fully understands this there is no salvation for that individual. Again, God is mocked by mans sacrifices when God GAVE His Son to die for us; your personal sacrifices insults Him and says that He died in vain. ~
Sadly, Portman’s believes that his acceptance of his son’s lifestyle is enough to cover up the transgression that the Bible claims it is, a mockery of Christ’s sacrifice which is no different than someone living in sin before Lent and then thinking giving up something they enjoy appeases the Most High God. Portman by setting himself up as an authority as a ‘god’ shall bring more condemnation upon himself than those teachings concerning his son’s lifestyle.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his OWN way....
--Isaiah 53:6a KJV

John Harville

MODERATOR.... isn't there a length limit?

John Harville

Second Opinion... "This is my command. I command you to love one another as I have loved you." - Jesus.
Have you met Jesus? Obviously not.

meowmix

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KnuckleDragger

You are forgetting, he spends most of his time in DC. A place where politicians live with their heads in the clouds, complete unaware of what is really going on around them. Is it really that big of a surprise that a politician would not realize their child is gay?

meowmix

Seriously?? If that's the case he probably wouldn't know what color his son's eyes are either.
The fact that he waited until after the election to come out publicly means that he's more interested in his political career than he is interested in actually supporting his son.

KnuckleDragger

Again, name me a politician who actually cares more about others than they do themselves? Politicians are mostly a group of self-serving idiots.

John Harville

Meow... have you checked your family closet???

deertracker

A RepubliCON......please....more like denial not realization.

KnuckleDragger

Sorta like Obama's "evolving" position on gay marriage? I know, it only counts when a Repub is against it and then changes there mind. Hypocrite much?

meowmix

Every time a Republican is confronted with humanity, they become a little bit more like a Democrat.

coasterfan

Zing!!! Well put, meow mix...

richardross

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John Harville

KD... Obama never was against it nor condemned homosexuals. His position as leader of the Country - and the MAJORITY that elected him, always was that human rights cannot forever be abridged.
Unlike Portman, Barack Obama NEVER campaigned against marriage equality.

John Harville

KD... which son of the President 'came out' to him?

The president gave serious thought, examined legal ramifications, read the 14th Amendment and realized DOMA infringes on states' rights, then decided the decision actually ends in the SUPCO - not unlike the Loving v United States decision about interracial marriage.

Again... which Obama son was that? Or 19-year-old daughter for that matter?

arnmcrmn

@deerturd, Where were u DUMBacrats when Obama did the exact same thing. Oh, thats right, its okay when Obie does it, but anyone else....hypocrite. Deer, one again you bring knives to a gun fight.

deertracker

Once again your brain is obviously out to lunch. I said I have no problem with his evolution just blaming it on his son. Did he use one of his kids as an excuse? NO! This is not a fight, it is a discussion.

richardross

Then why did you address Republicans?

John Harville

Portman and Cheney are - uh - Republicans.

John Harville

ammcr.... Barack Obama changed his opinion after his son 'came out' to him? Which son is that?

Ah... namecalling again, which only means you have no logical reasonable information to bring to the discussion.

deertracker

Good point meowmix! A parent usually knows or at least suspect when a son may be gay. Don't give me this "he was too busy working" crap. Seems like a hypocrite to me. He can still support his son and take a stand against gay marriage. RepubliCONS are masters at being hypocrites. I have no major problem with his "evolution" but don't act like it is because of your son! What a joke!

Bluto

I think that this kind of change of heart thing , which others in the Republican party have had on other issues , is their way of trying to reconnect with voters and come back from this far right position many in their party have taken in recent years . Back to middle ground and a return to some realistic sensibilities . And to preserve their political careers ; )

KnuckleDragger

Still can't answer the question about Obama's change of heard, ehh? Whose the hypocrite

Bluto

I never said anything about Obama's change of heart on the Gay marriage issue , but just to set your mind at ease I don't begrudge him or Portman on their coming around to a mature sensibility on this issue . Sometimes it has to hit home in a personal way in order to sink in . At this point in time though it also helps him distance himself from the wackos in the Republican party . My guess is he's planning a presidential run and wants to clear the closet and step back to the middle to appeal to more voters . Obama was no less guilty . You know the old saying " The enemy of my enemy .... "

John Harville

Obama IS less guilty! His decision was NOT based on the sexuality of ANYONE in his family AND he never campaigned against marriage equality.

Bluto

Obama wasn't pro-gay marriage to begin with . It took him listening to his child's concerns to come to a more enlightened position on this issue , but it didn't hurt him to gain the LGBT communities support.

Bluto

Oops , double post.

John Harville

WHICH OBAMA CHILD 'came out' and encouraged the 'evolution'?

coasterfan

I concur with Bluto's previous post.. The only chance Republicans have to win elections in the near future is to be more inclusive and open-minded. Must drive the tea party folks to see the moving further to the left. Hehehehe

Randy_Marsh

You know, Libertarians do not have the same problems as you party worshippers. We do not change because the political winds do.

John Harville

RAndy... Really? Libertarians don't change? Then why the heck are the Pauls running as REPUBLICANS?

In just what political wind would either of them be elected as a Libertarian? Besides, a true Libertarian would oppose DOMA because it infringes on Individual and States' rights. Right?

arnmcrmn

@deersac, what say you about Obie and his exact same "change of heart" Typical Dumbacrats.....can't even think outside of the box, let alone see over the ledge.

Really are you ...

Arrrg! Isn't it funny. Isn't it funny how members of congress are so set in their ways on Capitol Hill. They will not vote, walk out to avoid voting, or filibuster bills so they can keep their pockets full of lobbyists money. But when something in real life happens to one of their family members... Oh wait a minute, I am having second thoughts. Absolutely sickening.

Kimo

Another product of too much tanning booth.

luvblues2

Who needs to go to church when one can just come into the comments section of the SR and hear a sermon and a few amens and hallelujahs?

arnmcrmn

I thought all you liberals were all about change? So this guy changes his mind and now he's a horrible person. Wow, I hope not one of you every change the way you feel about issues as you get older.

KnuckleDragger

LOL. They are not about change, and the comments from the likes of Deerwacker prove it. Funny he now puts down Portmans reason for the change of heart as being sinister. Apparently he feels that Portmans reason, which was for the love of his son, is worse than Obamas reason which was to conjure up votes from gays. Given the two reasons, which one do you think is more genuine? Deerwacker is not the sharpest pencil in the box.

coasterfan

We Dems don't have a problem with him changing. The reason he is getting skewered is because he was one of THE most outspoken anti-gay politicians in Washington, AND very condescending of people who believe the exact same thing that he supposedly now supports. That is very different from someone who was quiet about the subject, and later came out in support of gay marriage. You know, like Obama for example.

To compare how these two gentlemen handled the situation is silly, because they could not possibly have handled it more differently from one another.

Randy_Marsh

Of course you do not have a problem, If Obama changed tomarrow you would be fine and follow his lead.

arnmcrmn

And why did Obama change his mind? Votes..plain and simple.

deertracker

Coaster is spot on!!!!!!!!

arnmcrmn

@can'tkilladeer.......did you post this before or after suckling all the colostrum out of coasters left boob?

John Harville

AMMwhatever... which 'liberal' on here called him a horrible person? All I hear people saying is that he was adamantly against marriage equality until it came out of his own closet... and that it took him two years to 'come out' to us. Why would 'liberals' be opposed to a Republican senator openly supporting marriage equality?
If liberals didn't tolerate hypocrits there'd be no one on here for you to attack.

richardross

We need to fire every person in Washington and start over.

looking around

I bet if you told these Republican representatives that they also would have to rely on S.S. benefits and Medicare that they would have a change of heart and view points also.....just say'n

coasterfan

Exactly. They all hate funding FEMA until the tornado hits their house. If you think of the common good, you are Democrat. If you think of only yourself and your family, and have the attitude that everyone else is "on their own", you are Republican. Those are stereotypes, of course, but they became stereotypes because they ARE common viewpoints to both groups, don't you think?

arnmcrmn

Hate funding FEMA? Proof? Didn't they pass a 50 billion bill for aid for Sandy? Yes, I think so.
Medicare....SS.....2 of the 3 largest spending items in this nation. I didn't realize that I went to school to pay for someone else's lack of wanting to go to school.

Republicans........are way more driven, and take much more responsibility for themselves.
Dems.....want handouts, dont want to work much harder than the minimum and want to blame everyone else.

John Harville

$50 billion - after cutting it to $9 billion until they could pork it up. Do you ever listen to anyone but Faux? Why do you think Christie wasn't invited to CPAC after the way he went off on the Republicans?

deertracker

RepubliCONS believe they are the only ones "entitled" to government assistance of any kind!

arnmcrmn

Most Republicans dont have to rely on government assistance....you know because we WORK!!!!!

John Harville

You are such an asp. The majority of states receiving Federal aid are BRIGHT R E D. Study the facts, man.

Or are you just enjoying life there in Ignorant Bliss, Ohio?

mikel

political pressure, plain and simple!

mikel

so, rob, let's say you are against prostitution. you then find out your child is a prostitute. do you now accept it?????

Not Yer Pa

Apples and bowling balls. One is a crime the other isn't.

John Harville

AMEN!

John Harville

Mikel... so now YOU are comparing Marriage Equality to Prostitution?

I

Portman's views of gay marriage "evolved" when he found out his son is gay. Barack Obama's views of gay marriage "evolved" when he realized he needed that segment of the population's vote to get re-elected. Which is worse?

coasterfan

Nope. I think it's probably a safe guess that 90% of gays were already voting for Obama. Let's face it, the GOP is so anti-gay that it didn't really matter what Obama said on the subject. Which is why a lot of editorials written on his support of gay marriage said that he had little to gain by it, and much more to lose.

The fact that Obama came out in support of gay marriage at the most crucial time in the campaign - and STILL won - should have been a wake-up call for the GOP. But it wasn't, was it? Instead of trying to become more inclusive, they have spent the past several months insulting the very people they need to attract. Hint: telling people that they are stupid because they voted for Obama is a stunningly bad way to attract new voters. It's almost as bad as electing people like Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock.

I

Obama had much more to lose by suddenly supporting gay marriage? Like what, the black vote? There was no chance of that happening. As for calling people stupid for voting for Obama, I'm sure there are many out there that are proud that they once voted for Jimmy Carter.

deertracker

It's not like white candidates have not received the "black vote".

John Harville

EYE... I'm immensely glad I voted for Jimmy Carter - one of the great humanitarians who said 37 years ago we needed to vastly diminish our reliance on foreign oil.

I

John HarHar, even a blind nut finds a squirrel, eventually. And I'm not surprised that you voted for Carter, probably twice.

Brainiac2007

Keep supporting Gay marriage! That's whats wrong with this country! Everyone is going against Gods word. Id hate to be the one answering for those actions!

John Harville

Oh Brainiac. Don't worry, you'll be too busy answering to God for failing to follow the New Testament commandments - you know, the ones about loving one another and loving as Jesus loved?

Besides, what makes you think you have any chance at Heaven?

coasterfan

On one hand, it's good to see a leading Republican breaking ranks, and doing the right thing, for a change. On the other hand, he's still a typical Republican in that he didn't support it until it became personal.

To put it in the proper perspective, he is no better than a white, southern bigot from the 1960's who was an outspoken racist - until one morning, when he woke up to find that his son was now Black. It's hard to respect such a person, both before AND after they publicly changed their stance, you know?

And the fact is, Portman's son came out TWO YEARS ago. If I were the son, It must have been extremely disappointing to hear Dad railing against gays for the past 2 years.

deertracker

Hmmmmmm......Strom Thurmon ring a bell!?

KURTje

Love it! Goldwater the same. Chaney the same. Now Portman...figures. Weak people like him flip flop. Log Cabin Republican..

I

kurt, you left out Obama.

arnmcrmn

of course this guy leaves out Obie. What else do you expect from a left tree hugging hippie.

John Harville

kURTje. Did you just come out right here? You're a Log Cabin Republican? That's what your post says...

4-wheeler al

same sex couples is sick they teaching young kids wrong morles of life.gov.all about votes election time. make money gov. open season 20.00 hunting tag no limit.

44846GWP

Off your meds?

Kottage Kat

Obama made his decision after consulting his 12yr old daughter.
Hmmmmmmmmmm

John Harville

Kottage... no it must have been his 19-year-old son. You know, the one he had with his Kenyan cousin? Or .... wait a minute... he's in a mixed-race marriage and the product of a mixed-race marriage (which was illegal) and so he thought Portman and his anti-equality cronies might come after him next.

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Thomas Jefferson wrote equal rights are to be in accordance with “the Laws of Nature and Nature's God.”

With all the individuals that hate America and all she stands for, I bet our Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves….

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God’s revelation on love as it applies to human sexuality is unambiguous. It is safe to conclude that God did not "create them this way". Just like God didn't create thieves, murderers and liberals in general.

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thinkagain

Homosexuals are like everyone else: they need to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

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thinkagain

That ought to keep the agenda-driven, liberal mods busy for awhile.

John Harville

Thinkagain... why will liberals need to respond now that you've addressed your sinful nature and your 'preferences'?

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thinkagain

Why indeed, but yet here you are...

John Harville

thnk... "...like EVERYONE else...". Wow.. are YOU a homosexual or just one of EVERYONE who needs to accept Jesus.... ?

How does that foot taste?

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C'mon Johnny, you should have learned the definition of “everyone” in primary school.

Your best bet would be to enroll in a reading comprehension class to save further embarrassment.

John Harville

Buffoon Again... I did learn in primary school that 'everyone' means "every person, every soul, all ..."

Even if you split it into two words ot still all in any group.

So, in the groupings you mentioned, you include yourself as homosexual.

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Anyone with at least one good firing neuron and a third grade level education wouldn’t have your problem comprehending.

John Wayne described you to a tee - "Life is tough pilgrim, it is even tougher if you're stupid"

John Harville

Thinkagain... EXACTLY what is this unambiguous revelation? And I want direct quotes from CHRISTIAN scriptures... none of the Mosaic stuff - unless you're going to remove your Prince Albert and all your tattoos and offer me a really great price for my daughter.

Kottage Kat

Romans 1:24-30
I am sorry, all I have is my phone and too much to type.
Perhaps someone with computer might do that
Thank you
Kat

John Harville

While I wasn't posting to you, ONE reference will do. And be careful about using Paul or Timothy.
Even Moses left out Lesbians.

John Harville

Kat... I asked you to be careful about using Paul. He was building the case to say that Romans - though they never new Paul's God (remember Paul was a Roman Jew) - were doomed to eternal hell because things their various religions allowed were disallowed by God.
Now... come up with a REAL scripture reference, maybe one with JESUS making the statement you wish to support? And make sure it's about marriage - because all the bitter husband Paul ever addresses is fornication... except when he tells people not married to stay single because (here comes the great disprover of ALL Paul said) Jesus will return "before this generation (Paul's)passes away".

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I don't think Jesus specifically mentioned pedophilia, so if we use Harville's argument, he must think its OK to be a pedophile.

John Harville

Oh Think again.... Think Again. Jesus commanded to "love one another". I don't think there is any love in pedophilia... unless you have personal experience from which to speak?

John Harville

Think again THINKAGAIN.. Try Matt 18-6 or Luke 17:2 about anyone who harms a child or leads a child astray would be more fortunate to have a millstone placed around his neck and thrown into the sea.

Methinks that's a pretty strong statement about Pedophilia...

Buffoon again.

Bluto

Since God gave us free will , and you believe life begins at conception . Doesn't it stand to reason that a soul can choose whom it will love ( male or female ) ? If the gender ends up different during development ; isn't that the will of God and thus meant to be . Just something to mull over.

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Whatever happens in life, you are in complete control of your response. You decide what value any event has in your life. Once you make an evaluation, you have the freedom to choose what comes next. I made my evaluation decades ago, I chose to trust the Lord.

John Harville

thinkagin... and you 'chose' to be heterosexual? Ponder that response.

John Harville

thnk... Whatever happens...in complete control of your response".

EVER been raped? Ever been routinely beaten as a child? Ever had your life threatened?

How is one in 'complete control' of one's response?

You need to understand not all are as fully enveloped in the 'freedom of choice' which every day is thwarted by folks like you who want to limit 'choice'.

Buffoon.

John Harville

Thinkagain... Jefferson. The one who kept his slaves until they were freed in his will after his death?

John Harville

Thinkagein... HOW DARE YOU? Jefferson used 'the laws of nature..." as justification for the colonies to assume equal status as a government in the world with Great Britain, France and all the others. It did NOT refer to the rights of individuals.

For God's sake, have you NO shame?

Final note: Jefferson was a Deist. Look it up.

goofus

The reason he is getting skewered is because he was one of THE most outspoken anti-gay politicians in Washington, AND very condescending of people who believe the exact same thing that he supposedly now supports.

Coasterfan, where's the proof he was one of THE most?????

John Harville

He campaigned on the issue.

Hopperthe2nd

Kinda late on this,sorry.
Can you picture when his son came out to the family, I think it probibly went something like this.......

Son : "Dad, I'm gay."

Senator : "Oh my god, what do I do now? How does this affect ME? What will MY constituents say? How can I spin this? What about MY reelection ? What about MY fundraising and donors" What oh what will MY right wing cronies say?

Just my opinion.

John Harville

You forgot, "you just bf'ed me out of the vice-presidency"

Go ahead, pull it.

KURTje

How can a Marine be a hippie? Opps - forgot, you never served.

I

Being a hippie is a state of mind. As for being a Marine, you're the only one I've encountered who tries to prove he's a man by demeaning those who have not "served". We all know from your posts that you served, so, what do you want?...a medal or a chest to pin it on?

deertracker

Don't forget about Knuckledragger. He thinks his 21 years makes him special. NOT! Americans are NOT required to serve and those that do VOLUNTEER.

John Harville

ah deertracker.... some of us volunteered BEFORE being conscripted. Maybe you aren't old enough to remember the DRAFT? Don't know KD's age or background or whether volunteered.

But you are right about one thing... many of the posters here have had the opportunity to VOLUNTEER but CHOOSE not to put their bodies in the way of the enemy to defend the country and CONSTITUION they want to use as a weapon on others. The lowest kind of coward. IMHO

I

John HarHar, you and kURT have the same problem...you want to feel special because you joined the military, I assume, to protect our country and its citizens, not other soldiers. You then turn around and resent those who chose not to serve. You guys have issues and should get some help.

John Harville

EYE key words "chose not to serve" which kinda sums you up, doesn't it?
You continue to 'choose not to serve' your fellow human beings or give even a modicum of respect.

When did I say I served in the military?

I

"Volunteered for Vietnam rather than wait to be drafted (admittedly because my lottery number was low)."...your words from a post further down the board. Pretty misleading if you weren't in the military.

John Harville

I. Where did I ever say I served?
I volunteered. Went through all the paces, walked around naked carrying my cup of pizz, turned my head and coughed, bent over and spread my cheeks, did further health tests, took all the aptitude and intelligence tests, answered all the questions, took the oath.... and was given a ticket back home because of a cardiac irregularity. But at least 'I' volunteered to serve.

You 'I'?

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HarHar, the way you mislead with your double-talk and unspoken words, you should have been a democrat politician. As to your question of did I volunteer to serve, the answer is "no". I was ready to go if drafted but the letter never came. You volunteered but were rejected. Same difference.

John Harville

Kurt... how can a Marine come out in this blog as a Log Cabin Republican?

KURTje

Glad you notice. Don't be bitter because you did not . Many here remind US of Ted Nugent, Rush, Gingrich, etc. Chickenhawks. Many now thump the war drum but avoided the draft by going to college or the reserves. (Combat exempt in their time) The GOP hate truth . (now call me more names please) Yeah that Portman...he's the real deal.

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Glad I noticed?...How could I not? You seem to feel the need to remind us that "you served and the rest of us did not, so that makes you superior, somehow". Here's a newsflash for you: The rest of us are not bitter because we did not serve and we certainly don't feel inferior to you! Why don't you forget the democrat approach of trying to build yourself up by tearing the other guy down and just be a man.

KURTje

Let's see..name calling; xenophobic mindset too. Another Portman. As was said in metrology - "Figures don't lie but liars figure."

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I don't believe I called you any names. However, if you felt insulted because I compared your actions to those of democrats, I guess I wouldn't blame you! And if you're implying that I'm a xenophobe, don't worry, I don't fear you because you're strange.

John Harville

I think you're more probably a homophobe...

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Your problem is that you don't think.

John Harville

EYE.. I think. I ponder. I read. I am astounded by ignorance (a choice, not an inborn trait.). I express. I think more. I expound. I chuckle when I see some of the posts on here. I ROFLMAO when I read yours.

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John HarHar, glad to see you're easily amused. Here's a few more activities you obviously enjoy: You imagine, you hallucinate, you concoct, you jump to conclusions. And the HarHar, that's people laughing at you, not with you!

John Harville

Eye... that name-calling thing again.... the white flag of surrender.

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HarHar, you stated: "I think you're more probably a homophobe." I don't believe you can produce any basis for that statement(other than name-calling). Hence, you imagined, concocted, hallucinated, etc. Keep your white flag for another time.

John Harville

MODERATOR. Are you paying ANY attention to this thread?

KURTje

Yeah. Call me strange. Always paid my bills without handouts. Always tried to be forthright. Again prior discourse proves the GOP hate truth. Through with your self -centered thinking too.

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Always paid your bills, no handouts, tried to be forthright...sound like a republican. Doing what's expected doesn't make you special, either.

John Harville

Always paid my taxes. Always was grateful for the benefits of those taxes - schools, roads, safety protection, etc.
Always paid my payroll taxes - whenever I was employed. Accepted payments from those payroll tax insurance policies when the economy turned and my children still needed to eat and a place to live.
Volunteered for Vietnam rather than wait to be drafted (admittedly because my lottery number was low). Buried a brother and six friends killed in Vietnam.
Been around for seven wars and 13 presidents. Never voted a straight partisan ticket - even when I could do so with one mark on a paper ballot.
I keep the faith and eschew any religion.
And I think Rob Portman is extremely conflicted - ie: he favors marriage equality on the federal level (repeal DOMA) but thinks it should be left to individual states to set their own laws on the issue. Don't know how he feels about the fact his gay son can't love and marry a man here in Ohio...
So in the end, he doesn't really care that much about his son or his son's birthright, does he?