VIDEO: Perkins school board takes heat on cuts

About 200 district residents turned out Wednesday to weigh in on the difficult choices ahead if tax levies fail.
Andy Ouriel
Mar 7, 2013

Click the video play button down screen center to watch last night's meeting. Click here to see a photo gallery.

The school board will be forced to slash up to $12 million more from the district's budget over the next five years without voter approval.

The fate of the district's 2-mil, five-year permanent improvement renewal levy and its 10-year, 4.98-mill new emergency operating levy on the May ballot will chart the course. 

The board already axed about $2.6 million by cutting teaching jobs and other positions. The next round could include slashes to athletics, foreign language programs and full-day kindergarten classes. 

One resident said the board and district superintendent Jim Gunner had not been straight with residents, a suggestion both Gunner and school board president Matt Kosior refuted.

“If you come up with a better plan or a chapter plan, let’s see it. Don’t accuse anyone up here of doing anything underhanded. That is not the case.”

The board shares many of the same frustrations residents do, Gunner said, but has kept its focus on the No. 1 priority.

“We are going to make the decisions that are right for the kids, and sometimes those are controversial,” Gunner said.

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Comments

cockynurse

Interesting. Certainly there was more to the meeting than the 15 minutes posted. Sounds like that teacher knows where some cuts are going to be taken. Looks like there are some difficult decisions ahead.

Cowboy

Does Gunner live in Perkins yet? Didn't he say 2 years ago that his family would move to Perkins?

LifeIsCrazy

Let me just say - as a resident of Perkins - I do NOT see the need for a new high school. If they took the funds back out of the new school fund and put them into keeping the extracurriculars and teachers, there wouldn't be an issue. And if they really think that people are going to vote in their FLUKE of a "emergency operating levy", they're insane.

I'm Done

It was stated in a previous board meeting that if both levies failed, they would move funds back. As of last night they refuse too. Gunner stated to even fix the aspestos I the building would cost around $4,000,000 and he doesn't have that kind of money but I guess we have the funds for a new school.

Mum-of-One

Mr. Kuiesza wants all the open enrolled students to be sent "back" because he does not want to pay for "them". Small minded bigotry at it's best.

A "bigot" is a person who has unreasonable biases against a particular group or people, or against almost all identifiable groups. Truly bigoted people tend to hate all religious groups, races, political groups and in this case other school districts. The exceptions, of course, are any of those groups in which the person himself is a member.

bobshumway92

He is no bigot! We LOSE money on every open enrolled student from outside the district! We lose $4k per student! That's over $2m per year! SEND THEM BACK! VOTE NO!

bobshumway92

Name calling, classy. I guess a person is a bigot because they don't want to pay for kids from other districts. Mum of One is a bigot.

Brick Hamland

telling someone they are real classy for calling someone else names, then calling them the same name... classic

Cowboy

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Mum-of-One

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Cowboy

I'm not going to revert to name calling but I will say, he was shut down before he could present all the facts. And please quit calling him a bigot!

bobshumway92

STOP OPEN ENROLLMENT NOW!

Cowboy

VOTE NO!

Cowboy

The real question is, what gave the BOE the right to move millions of dollars from the operating fund in the first place to pay up the gap in the stadium budget? They should have gone door to door and begged for the money instead of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Now there is a gap in the operating funds that is much harder to fill and teachers will lose their jobs! Nice job BOE!

Gardenman

As i remember when Gunner was hired a few years ago from Bryan school superintendent job he was only at Perkins a few days and he wamted to resign and take the superintendent job at Oregon Clay close to Toledo. It has been where he grew up and he wanted to return as their school leader. Perkins Board had a private pow wow with him and he decided to stay at Perkins.

I don't think he will be around long if these levies even do pass. He saw a while back their were greener pastures in other locations.

I'm Done

Gunner stated he wants 2 more years.

bobshumway92

Copied from the other thread:

Here is the Letter to the Editor by Ralph Roshong who is a retired Superintendent of Schools from Perkins.

Perkins trying to build without voter approval

The Perkins School Board of Education is asking its voters to approve a 4.9 mill operating levy in the May primary election. The board is telling us this levy is needed due to the loss of state aid, reduced tax collections and increased costs. They are wrong.

Those three conditions may exist, but the actual reason they are requesting the support of the voters on this 4.9 mill issue is to replace the 5.2 mills of inside operating millage the board decided to change from operating to permanent improvement beginning in 2012. Of course, this step was taken so the board can construct a new $50 million school without the vote of the taxpayers.

However, the really serious impact of this move is that the school's operating funds were reduced by $2.2 million in 2012 and another $2.2 million in 2013.

That is a little short of the $4.5 million in operating funds lost for the instruction of our students between last year and this year. It appears ironic that the board will solicit our vote for an operating levy to replace the inside millage operating funds they moved, but they will not give us a vote for a new $50 million school facility. It must also be assumed that in going forward with this building project, the building will potentially be sized to house a major portion of the 500-plus students of non-resident parents who do not pay property taxes in Perkins Township. Each of these students bring to the district $5,500 from the state, but it costs the district $9,500 each to educate them. Many areas in most buildings have become crowded, additional teachers have had to be hired, and many alterations have had to be made to accomodate these additional students from the open enrollment program.

All of the current four school buildings have been involved in three or four energy retrofit projects over the last 25 years through House Bill 294 projects and as a result, are in quite satisfactory condition. The 1907 area of the high school, the north end, is the only parcel in need of possible replacement.

In addition, the board is asking for renewal of a 2 mill permanent improvement levy originally passed about 1990, which generates about $700,000 per year. The district's voters have passed/renewed this levy approximately five times with the understanding that the funds would be used to keep our four school buildings in top-notch repair. It appears the board recently assumed that keeping the buildings in top-notch condition is not the primary purpose of those funds and is using the permanent improvement funds on many other projects, most notably $1.7 million on a new stadium, making numerous alterations to the buildings to house the 500-plus non-resident open enrollment students, laptop computers for most students and staff, etc. If the board determined that additional funds were needed for these non-building maintenance projects, then additional funds should have been requested from the taxpayers for those purposes. The $700,000 collected yearly should have been used, as intended by the voters, for maintaining our four current school buildings, and possibly purchasing a few school buses.

It is apparent that the 5.2 former operating mills and the two long-time established permanent improvement mills are being combined to provide a 7.2 mill permanent improvement "building fund" for the board to expend as they wish on a $50 million project WITHOUT voter approval. Every Perkins School District voter must be aware of how the school board, the guardians of our school district's funds, will be using those taxpayer provided funds, especially a $50 million building program, without our voted approval.

Ralph Roshong Perkins Township

Cowboy

You hit the nail right on the head! So let's show them that they can't get away with this and VOTE NO!

samiam

As I remember it, the voters did get to vote on a new building...TWICE...and both times they voted NO! But that's not what Gunner and the BOE wanted to hear. So they thumb their noses at the voters and move inside millage. Legal, perhaps; ethical, not by a long shot. I vote NO!

The New World Czar

For some odd reason, the words "Academy" and "STEM" have been common-place language since Mr. Gunner's appointment. Let's be real ladies and gentlemen, if we were in a big metro area we could consider these concepts. But we're not; we're in a county of 80,000 people and this district ranks second to last as is per the latest state standards- notably dropping since the expansion of open enrollment.

Calling the gentleman a "bigot" for rightfully echoing the sentiments of many in the district is at best childish. Open enrollment isn't just hurting Perkins, it is also hurting the sending districts.

bobshumway92

Gunner has no clue. He has to go.

goodtime1212

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Tool Box

Hey Gunner, move to Perkins or MOVE ON!

Imataloss

Really, we are still complaining about open enrollment? It's kept this school afloat! About Gunner not living in the district? Who cares?

This levy is about a foundation for the future of our community. Get over your issues with Gunner and think about how this will strengthen our education system, strengthen our property values and strengthen the core of Perkins.

Get over the personal stuff and think about the big picture people!

bobshumway92

We LOSE money on every open enrollment kid! What don't you get???

Imataloss

Really, who is giving you that info? Ralph Roshong? Perkins does NOT lose money on open enrollment kids and in, fact, it's the only reason the board has not had to put a levy on the ballot in years past is BECAUSE of open enrollment.

What's wrong with open enrollment anyways? All the open enrollment kids I know are good kids with involved parents. They are an asset to the school.

smeltz

Really? What don't you get? We are going to pay that teachers same salary whether we have just 20 district students in the classroom or 25 students w/ open enrollment. I am not a huge fan of Mr Gunner or what the school board has done, but I do believe that open enrollment is part of the reason they haven't had to ask for new money in 13 years.

Lets start thinking about the students...no one mentions them...no one talks about how the students are going to be effected. They can't vote...they have no say in what Mr Gunner and board do, but they are the ones that suffer. Its time that we put them first!

If you want paybacks...pass the levy and then election after election vote the entire board out! Its simple...punish those that made the decisions not the children!!!

Imataloss

Amen Smeltz!

I'm Done

Adding 1 child to a family changes the whole dynamics of the family, think about it. Add 5 kids to a classroom might sound efficient but that's more behavior, less teacher time per student and students lose out on the benefits of a smaller classroom. I feel the residents of Perkins would have supported this district if given the opportunity to decide the direction of the district. The boards decisions do not reflect the views of the residents therefore hurting the district.

LawrenceD

Tell me how we lose $ with open open enrollment, please! Are drinking Ralph's Kool-aid? or getting his sound financial wisdom he used when the Sup at Perkins and his many levies. I attended my first board meeting in over 20 years Wed and thought the info was fair and complete. After some thought in challenging times my family is voting Yes and that over 20 Yes votes. To another reader, please give me some information how consolidation of schools save taxpayer money. A lot of bad and inaccurate info being spread by NO voters. Shame on you for using this forum to spread distortions and at time completely false information.

samiam

It is personal when people have lost jobs or taken pay cuts to keep their jobs. Many houses have lost value but kept their high mortgages. The big picture to many people is paying their utility bills, putting food on their table and keeping a roof over their heads. Yeah, it is personal!

Tool Box

Hey Imataloss... is it your brain that you're missing because you obviously can't comprehend simple math or you wouldn't have said open enrollment is keeping this school afloat! ...and yet another student left behind!!!

Imataloss

Give me the math Toolbox and I want to see where you get your numbers from. Point me to the documents that show open enrollment costs Perkins money.

Tool Box

Maybe instead of cutting teachers we need to be cutting Gunner.....

3 Highest Paid Years Average:
$108,000.00

Yearly Pension Estimate:
$71,280.00

Lifetime Pension Liability Estimate:
$1,610,215.20

3-Year Employer Pension Salary Match:
$45,360.00

Pro-Rated Pay Based on 2,080 Hour Work Year:
$166,400.00

Social Security Maximum Yearly Payout:
$28,152.00

Tribester

This community is fast becoming a joke. If I was Gunner, I would look for a job in a community that actually cares about the education of its children instead of all the lame excuses to vote no on levies for the past 13 years. My public high school where I grew up in suburban Pittsburgh offers Spanish, French, German, Latin, Chinese, AND Arabic! If you want this community to ever have good paying jobs, an educated workforce would probably help. However, if you all are happy with the current hickville, backwater status of Pertucky, then by all means VOTE NO!

Wald

Gunner and the BOE have proven that they are not to be trusted with taxpayer money, i.e. the football stadium and underhandedly manipulating/moving funds. That is why this levy will fail. Period.

smeltz

So then punish the BOE not the students. If the BOE can't be trusted elect new ones!! Don't make the children suffer for a group of adults that have made poor decisions!

Tool Box

We will punish the BOE! By voting NO we are sending a message that we will not put up with the shell game that they are playing with our money and that any teacher terminations will rest on their shoulders for the chess game they played and LOST!

smeltz

No, you will punish the students...you think your punishing the BOE...but it is TRULY the students that will pay the ultimate price!

bobshumway92

Whoever smeltz it, dealt it.

smeltz

Hey bob...I have heard them all...come up with something a little more cleaver.

Tool Box

How about this Smelly, you can't fix stupid? Wait, you probably hear that a lot also...

Common Sense

That will not happen with bobshumway. It is guaranteed!

Imataloss

Brilliant! Let's punish the people we elected, because that's the smart thing to do. Let's tell them that despite the fact that they are more educated than us about the school system and its inner workings, we think they are idiots!

Then, let's oust them and elect new idiots. Oh, but guess what, when you turn computers on in classrooms, they will still blow fuses and all the others problems that exist will not have gone away. So, these new idiots will make the same decisions these current idiots are making. But instead, it will have cost the taxpayers further time and money.

I think it's time for some of the Vote No people to pony up their time and run for the board. Oh, and maybe actually tour the schools and sit in a classroom.

Tool Box

Speak for yourself Iamaloser! I possess a masters degree.

Imataloss

Still looking for the math and documentation that shows open enrollment costs Perkins taxpayers money. Anyone?

Tribester - couldn't agree more.

bobshumway92

For the sake of the children, VOTE NO!

smeltz

It is extremely evident that you don't have children in the school system...

bobshumway92

VOTE NO!

Tool Box

VOTE NO!

goodtime1212

We do have kids in the school, work in the township, live in the township and voting NO

senioritis

Tribester--You read my mind. Nicely put.

Resident51

While I agree Perkins is on the plus side of open enrollment on paper, it is not the rosy picture that Gunner is painting it to be. For it to be a money maker, you have to fill seats without hiring staff and adding expenses. Look at what Perkins has had to do to accommodate an additional 500 students. Now add in a $50 million dollar school because they can't house them all.....I agree they are taking a huge loss. Transfer operating money back where it belongs and you'll have over $4 million in your budget to save teachers' jobs and student programs. Use your permanent improvement money to maintain your current buildings as you should have been all along. Problem solved.

smeltz

Were you able to attend the meeting last night? (I was not) Was that discussed at all? Curious as to what the response from BOE was to that question if it was asked. Really can't imagine it wouldn't have been.

bobshumway92

Send the open enrollment kids home now! Immediate $2 million in savings!

oldpirate

It is basically just as expensive to renovate the old bldg and was discussed. Big Bob, you don't know what you are talking about. Just take your no vote and go away. If open enrollment cost money why do all the schools in the area have it?

Perkins2060

Yeah that's it. Call out Bob. Guess what? Your levies will not pass. Won't even be close.

Resident51

And just how will it cost $37 million to renovate? There is no law requiring an old building to be brought up to today's standards. You are being lied to. Other than one wing, Perkins has one of the newer buildings in the area. Since you seem to "know what you are talking about", why hasn't Perkins maintained their buildings over the years with PI money?

goodtime1212

I have asked this question OLDPIRATE, but can not get an answer, How do they know it will be just as expensive? Has there been bids put out? Have there been any other planes drawn up? Other then the State report, as far as I know there is nothing. I am sure not many would just build a new home with out looking into first, can we afford it? second, what will it coast to fix up what we have.

Lil DAB

I dont understand the argument "making the children suffer"...they have the school, they have the teachers, they have the technology provided to them...all on the taxpayer dime. It isn't costing them anything. If anything, we are saving the graduates that would end up property owners as we are, from higher taxes. They should be thanking the "NO VOTERS."
I also agree Smeltz, if the BOE can't be trusted elect new ones! Start getting qualified candidates to consider getting their names on the ballots NOW! How many of Perkins Board members will be up for election in November? Some "board members" are just "professional board members" with the only qualifications they have is what they have aquire from serving and being privvy to board meetings! Quit re-electing them.

smeltz

The children are suffering, because the cuts will effect the quality of their education. We are/were planning on sending our son to Little Pirates next year, but with these cuts, not only will he not get the benefits of the Little Pirates program, but he will also lose out on having all day Kindergarten. If they levy doesn't pass things like music, art and gym will no longer be offered at Furry & Meadowlawn. That doesn't effect you, that doesn't effect the BOE...that effects and punishes the students.

I work with Junior High & Senior High students on a weekly basis, so of them were at the meeting last night because they are afraid that the things they enjoy doing like band and other arts are going away if this levy doesn't pass.

Its time that we make the students a priority and begin to deal with the dissatisfaction with the BOE when it comes to re-election.

treemotan

Sure, might help the current senior class. But here's the thing- not passing the operating levy will cause foreign language classes (primarily French), fine arts, and extracurriculars to be cut. Now, most colleges require 2-3 years of a single foreign language to even qualify for acceptance, and Ivy League schools typically require a full 4 years. Almost every college I've looked at also requires varying numbers of fine arts credits, technology credits, etc.. Basically, anything that doesn't fall under the "required" courses for high school graduation. Furthermore, I know from undergoing the college application process this year that they look for students who participate in extracurriculars, since it says to them they're involved and can manage their time. While this year's graduating class won't be affected, the cuts could exclude all other future and current students from various college opportunities; heck, Juniors taking their first or second year of French might not qualify for college at all should it get cut! It could literally ruin their lives before they've even really begun.

So, now do you see where the "making the children suffer" argument comes in?

Lil DAB

Required classes won't get cut. French will not go away. It's just a threat to scare you. Maybe the fancy field trips will get taken away, but the kids raise their own money for those anyway, don't they? Extra curriculars to get accepted in college? What about ambitious kids working a job? Has that ever been held against them? Doubt it. Students can volunteer for all kinds of community extra curriculars too. VOTE NO.

observer

I drive past the school every day on my way home from work. Just about the time the students are getting out of school for the day. I also have been IN the school many times for athletic events, etc. I've yet to see ANY "suffering students" Where are these "suffering students" anyway? As a matter of fact, Perkins High school looks pretty darn GOOD compared to the other school buildings in the area. I'm voting NO.

treemotan

The "suffering students" has nothing to do with the quality of the current building; it has to do with the cuts that will be made if the levy doesn't pass. See my reply to Lil DAB for reasonings.

Lil DAB

and see my reply to you :-)

goodtime1212

Same here OBSERVER.

Resident51

I noticed a Perkins teacher encouraging us to vote yes and support the students on her personal Facebook page.

I wonder if those teachers thought of the "students" when they went on strike a couple years ago? I wonder how supportive she would be if she lived in the Perkins School District? I wonder how she'd feel if her job wasn't on the line?

Don't blame the voters, and don't blame our governor when jobs and programs are cut. Look to your Superintendent and school board for the bad decisions they are making (without voter approval).

smeltz

You know...probably not...but you are bringing up old, irrelevant news. How can you say not to blame the voters...or the Governor? I like and voted for our Governor, but both Kasich and Strickland both have made decisions and policies that have adversely effected schools, not just Perkins. The BOE has made bad choices that I don't agree with...but I would rather vote yes on a levy that will give my child a better education and then address my issues with the BOE when it comes to their re-election.

Resident51

Schools are NOT receiving a cut in state funding. Loses in funding in one area are made up for by gains in other revenue...casino tax, lottery, etc. Perkins is on a "funding guarantee". So yes, I do know! Perkins has financially crippled schools like Sandusky City because of open enrollment. And now Gunner and the board has moved operating money to permanent improvement to build a school for your kid...and voters are left to fill in the gap. Who is to blame for this mess? And tell me....how is it that YOUR child will receive a better education in a $50 million dollar dream school? Dream on Smeltz!

Imataloss

Resident 51 - back this up with some facts. How has open enrollment crippled the school. Where are your numbers? Please explain the dollars and cents of the "gains" Perkins has received since the cuts. I'd love to know where you are getting you are getting your facts.

It's not about a $50 million dream school. It's about building up a community. Educating kids, getting those kids to come back here and make a home. Making this community worth something and something to come back to.

lifetimeresident

I'm Voting
@ Tree I wasnt aware college looked into all that before excepting students. I thought they let anybody in with money.

Brick Hamland

being a minority helps as well. Most colleges say it flat out that they are actively looking of for minority students because diversity is beleived to be a great addition to education at that level.

Bearcat1819

The students may not be suffering now, but if the levy isn't passed, they will. Do you really think that students losing great programs, such as Little Pirates and French, and great teachers is just not going to affect the students? It will. Not passing this levy is just going to put the community in a deeper hole. We are going to need a new school within the next ten years no matter what, so why are we just pushing off the levy now? It's just going to be proposed again in the next year or so. Also, the need for a new building is not because of open enrollment. The problem is not that the school can't house all the students. I have no idea where that idea came from. I understand if you don't support Gunner, because it's hard to trust someone with your tax dollars. However, if you seriously don't think out of the all the board members THAT YOU ELECTED and Jim Gunner that there is not one sane mind, that's ridiculous. That's why there isn't just one person in charge. Why would the board want to manipulate the tax payers anyway? They obviously want what is best for the school. If you don't like their decision, why did you elect them? Maybe you should run next time.

Lil DAB

Do your board members in Perkins get paid? If so, how much?

oldpirate

So residenr51 you are saying only renovate that which the law says you must and in the very next sentence you find fault for lack of upkeep. If you are looking for a reason to feel good about voting no don't make-up excuses.

Resident51

No, I'm saying it's BS that it's going to cost $37 million to renovate and bring the school up to "code". There's nothing in the law that says you have to bring an old building up to code. Just like it would not have cost $1.7 million to fix the old stadium. Who's making up excuses? I'm sorry I'm not going to support your dream facility. My other point is regarding the use of PI money, which should be used to maintain and make repairs to buildings...and deal with issues like raw sewage, lead paint, asbestos, etc. Oh, that's right....that was all a lie, too. I forgot. Instead it was used for your laptops and now a new school.

Imataloss

Resident 51 - where did the money come from for the laptops? Hmmm? Do you even know? I'd like you to point to where that money came from.

The problem is, too many people really have no clue, yet they spout all that they believe is wrong with the system.

underthebridge

The money for the laptops came from the permanent improvement funds. The district has spent nearly $6 million dollars on 1) leasing the first set of laptops in 2009; and 2)then renewing the lease in 2012. Teacher trainings were paid for with grants. This was confirmed to me personally by Mr. Gunner.

dire wolf

The answer to these questions will sway my vote: 1) did the 1.7m that was taken from from operating fund to use for the stadium fund ever have a plan to be reimbersed?, and how? or was the new levy the plan all along for that? 2)Whose idea was it to transfer the funds, and which board members agreed and disagreed? I really only want the answers from a board member who knows for a fact. It really seems to me like the whole reason for this crunch that this school is facing would have been avoided if these funds were not transfered, and had they not, the emergency levy would not be on the ballot right now, and some good teachers would not have lost their great jobs. The fallout from the levy not passing will have even greater impact on this. I think it is crazy for people to throw the blame for this mess on open enrollment. That I know is not the real issue here. When a school decides to spend the kind of money it did to build a new stadium (by taking operating funds without approval), i would think that the issue of firing teachers, cutting needed programs and other sensitive claases would not have been the plan, just to build a new stadium. Sounds like the money could have been better spent. Maybe those who donated to the stadium funds care enough to donate again to reimberse the operating fund. Seems like the right thing to do, for the kids. Then again, i don't really know, that's why i ask.

Imataloss

It's not as simple as that. Property tax valuations went down 30% in Perkins last year. Who could have anticipated that? Kasich is cutting $4.4 million to the school. Who could have anticipated that? I don't have info for you off the top of my head for the stadium, and hopefully others will chime in, but much of that $1.7 was booster money - I believe the school only pitched in at the last minute when the boosters failed to raise the full funds. The stadium project was a boosters project - not a board project.

Wald

Wrong on the stadium. It cost 3.4 million. 1.7 came from donations. 1.7 came from moving the operations fund to the permanent improvement fund. Basically, Gunner and the BOE underhandedly moved taxpayer money to build a stadium that the taxpayers didn't get a say in. Of course, since you are drinking the levy Kool-Aid, you don't have that info off the top of your head, making you look just as shady.

lifetimeresident

I thought Firelands Hospital paid for that and the boosters matched the other half. Please do tell. This may sway my vote.

Wald

You can vote no, because Firelands Hospital made a major donation towards the 1.7 million raised by the boosters, while the other 1.7 million came from the millage Gunner stole from the operating funds, thus forcing the taxpayers to pay for the stadium without a vote. He admitted as much on the Register's Behind the Lines segment.

Lil DAB

If property taxes went down 30%, are you paying 30% less taxes? Probably not. Check with your county auditor and see the breakdown of what you are paying to the schools! Add in the SS tax that was reinstated this past January, and the increase in medical benefits and expense of living cost increases,we just can't afford an increase in taxes! The schools need to readjust their budgets like we have to!

dire wolf

With the state of the housing market and economy over the last 5 years, we all should have anticipated that. Especially those handling public funds. I'm not talking about donated booster funds. As you stated, if it was not a board project, why was 1.7 million taken from the operating fund to fund a booster stadium project? do you see where i'm going with this?

Brick Hamland

A lot of conversations about the new stadium fail to mention that the home side bleachers of the old stadium was condemned. It was estimated that the repairs to the bleachers would cost $1.7MM. The school was going to have to pay the $1.7MM to fix the bleachers, instead they put up the $1.7MM to help fund the new stadium. Seems like a pretty good deal to me. As like the most of these comments, i have no idea if this accurate, but I can't admit or deny what I have said based on the truth or falsity of the matters asserted

dire wolf

It doesn't seem like a good deal to all those teachers and others that lost their jobs, let alone the ones that soon will. Are the bleachers a higher priority to the school than all the programs that will soon have to shutdown and the teachers that will lose jobs? Was that their thinking when they transferred the money? Did they think that was the best plan for the school? How did they not see this coming? They had to. If the levy fails(i hope for the kids sake it doesn't) they will have only themselves to blame.

LawrenceD

70% of school districts in Ohio have some form of open enrollment, so I guess that means all have a financial loss from opening doors. Districts open their doors to increase enrollment which increases money. It doesn't make any sense that people actually believe open enrollment hurts a schools financial bottom line. This is Ralph Roshong logic, the same man that had over 10 levies in the time he was the Sup in Perkins. Watch who you listen to.

Imataloss

Amen Lawrence. I've been asking all day for someone to show numbers on how open enrollment has hurt our school. Every school system does it because it WORKS! It's a financial boon!

Tool Box

Copied from the other thread:

Here is the Letter to the Editor by Ralph Roshong who is a retired Superintendent of Schools from Perkins.

Perkins trying to build without voter approval

The Perkins School Board of Education is asking its voters to approve a 4.9 mill operating levy in the May primary election. The board is telling us this levy is needed due to the loss of state aid, reduced tax collections and increased costs. They are wrong.

Those three conditions may exist, but the actual reason they are requesting the support of the voters on this 4.9 mill issue is to replace the 5.2 mills of inside operating millage the board decided to change from operating to permanent improvement beginning in 2012. Of course, this step was taken so the board can construct a new $50 million school without the vote of the taxpayers.

However, the really serious impact of this move is that the school's operating funds were reduced by $2.2 million in 2012 and another $2.2 million in 2013.

That is a little short of the $4.5 million in operating funds lost for the instruction of our students between last year and this year. It appears ironic that the board will solicit our vote for an operating levy to replace the inside millage operating funds they moved, but they will not give us a vote for a new $50 million school facility. It must also be assumed that in going forward with this building project, the building will potentially be sized to house a major portion of the 500-plus students of non-resident parents who do not pay property taxes in Perkins Township. Each of these students bring to the district $5,500 from the state, but it costs the district $9,500 each to educate them. Many areas in most buildings have become crowded, additional teachers have had to be hired, and many alterations have had to be made to accomodate these additional students from the open enrollment program.

All of the current four school buildings have been involved in three or four energy retrofit projects over the last 25 years through House Bill 294 projects and as a result, are in quite satisfactory condition. The 1907 area of the high school, the north end, is the only parcel in need of possible replacement.

In addition, the board is asking for renewal of a 2 mill permanent improvement levy originally passed about 1990, which generates about $700,000 per year. The district's voters have passed/renewed this levy approximately five times with the understanding that the funds would be used to keep our four school buildings in top-notch repair. It appears the board recently assumed that keeping the buildings in top-notch condition is not the primary purpose of those funds and is using the permanent improvement funds on many other projects, most notably $1.7 million on a new stadium, making numerous alterations to the buildings to house the 500-plus non-resident open enrollment students, laptop computers for most students and staff, etc. If the board determined that additional funds were needed for these non-building maintenance projects, then additional funds should have been requested from the taxpayers for those purposes. The $700,000 collected yearly should have been used, as intended by the voters, for maintaining our four current school buildings, and possibly purchasing a few school buses.

It is apparent that the 5.2 former operating mills and the two long-time established permanent improvement mills are being combined to provide a 7.2 mill permanent improvement "building fund" for the board to expend as they wish on a $50 million project WITHOUT voter approval. Every Perkins School District voter must be aware of how the school board, the guardians of our school district's funds, will be using those taxpayer provided funds, especially a $50 million building program, without our voted approval.

Ralph Roshong Perkins Township

Imataloss

...and Ralph Roshong is god? Anyone fact check this? Don't believe everything you read. Ralph Roshong has made this personal and he feels he can state whatever he wants. At some point, people are going to stop listening to him because personal is not practical or factual.

Wald

Please tell me with corroborating evidence exactly what in the Roshong letter is not factual.

Tool Box

Ha ha ha, she can't!

oldpirate

Now that is a well thought out question. Contact the board office and I'm sure they will respond.

dire wolf

I'm asking for their response here. I would think that they would much rather give their answer here for all of us on the fence voters to see first hand. This blog seems like the better platform.

LawrenceD

I wouldn't use any of the Ralph Roshong logic. Again over 10 levies in his time at Perkins and did cut sports. Sounds like a school finance wizard to me. Can anybody tell me how long Ralph Roshong was the Sup at Perkins? My memory has failed me, but I know it wasn't pleasant times with him as the leader and the school was broke.

oldpirate

Sorry I was ref. direwolf

oldpirate

Resident51 lets just say someone has to make adult decisions for our community. I only hope that there are more people that have higher goals for our school than you.IMO you shortchange what can be achieved by your narrow view.

Resident51

I hardly have a narrow view, unlike your lofty views when it comes to spending taxpayer dollars. I do however make wise, ethical decisions and would gain voter approval before making such decisions. Has your Superintendent and board done that? We shall see at the polls.

oldpirate

One last thing. as for Perkins devastating Sandusky with open enrollment. I believe Sandusky Schools had open enrollment before Perkins. Secondly nobody forced anyone to leave to go to Perkins. Sandusky needs to take ownership for their problems. If we had half their funding life would be good.

streak

You got plenty of funding from Sandusky schools, your board and administration had no idea how to budget money. They chose athletics over academics.

Perkins2060

I will be voting no on both levies as will all of my family members. That's 18 no votes here.

Tool Box

We have another 12 NO votes...

goodtime1212

Only 2 questions? Is that all the time they left ? Was going to take time off work to go, if that is it, sure am glad I didnt waist it.

smeltz

No, there was more than that. I wasn't able to attend, the only way I know is by the picture gallery. There a bunch of pics of people asking questions.

goodtime1212

Thanks Smelts, would be nice if the Register would show all the Q. and A.

VOTENO

I'm sick and tired of hearing it's for the kids, it will only cost a little. Tell that to all the people that got laid off from kbi today.

lifetimeresident

What. What Happened?

CAST THE FIRST STONE

i am in the edison district and it is all the same everywhere. paying the teacher benefits and retirement and double dipping and retiring at 56 years old and living happily ever after is over. we cant pay anymoreh than we do. retirement and health care have to come to in line with the public sector. The old days are crashing and burning

Truth or Fiction

Do you really believe that the district has control over the retirement system? It doesn't. The contributions are mandated by the State system. Don't hold the BOE, Administration, and Teachers hostige for something out their control.

As for health insurance benefits, the plans in the districts are structured like most mid sized employers as a PPO (preferred provider organization) with deductibles, co-pays, and employee (contribution) premium share. What is a reasonable share depends on the person complaining. With regard to the continued increase in health insurance costs, you can thank the Affordable Health Care Act - remember we had to pass the bill before we would know what was in the bill. Unfortunately, there is nothing affordable about the Affordable Health Care Act.

I would ask that if you are going to cast, at least cast in the right direction.

CAST THE FIRST STONE

I agree obomacare will hurt. But almost every teacher i know voted for obama because they think he will funnel backdoor money to the pension fund. As far as bennys. tax money is givin to the whole system and then they divy it up amunst themselves. And when they overpay they ask for levy money.

FearistheMindKiller

Brilliant,

You don't like education then close down the schools!

The kids will absolutely love that!

You people are so smart, golly gosh darn it all, all you must have been home schooled to get so smart. I'm jealous I'm not as smart as you.

It's gonna be really neato when these wasteful skools finally close and kids are roaming free on the streets. That's pretty neat! Close the skools, education is overrated. Doctors don't need no edumacation, durn kids don't needs no physics or engineering neether. And golly gosh darn it, stop making kids read books. Sheesh, know how much money we could save if we stopped forcing people to learn to read?

We could all save a few bucks if we banned books. Think of the extra dollars in our pockets! Why we could march our phat lazy ice holes over to Kroger and get more pork rinds, lard and Budwiser and Pepsi. Imagine what we all could do with an extra $100 or so? It would be like winning the super lotto or sumpin. This will be so neat to watch the schools close up, sniveling brats. Can't we just send all these kids to the military? Aren't there some back water countries we can send them to fight some glorious wars to protect our right to gorge our phat stupid mouths with more chips & hohos?

Oh durn......shucks.... If we don't teach the kids how to read and do proper math how will they ever grow up and learn how to build better bombs, faster warships, more sophisticated drones and better spyware? Golly durn....thought maybe we could close all these wasteful skools....huummmph.

CAST THE FIRST STONE

you are a a## teach

lifetimeresident

@Fear
You are a mule. 100 bucks here and a 100 bucks there. How about the teachers just take a 15% decrease in pay like Delphi and Ford. I cant wait till they strike like Strongsville. They wont. Everyone is just glad to have a job.

VOTENO

Delphi and Ford are gone. Kbi is laying off. Everyone needs to wake up. Just ask all the kbi employees who were laid off yesterday how they feel. Vote no.

reader

Perkins families should consider open enrolling at Sandusky city schools for the wide range of extracurricular activities next school year.

Maybe the collapse of the Perkins schools will finally lead our area to seriously consider consolidation of districts to provide the best educational experience to the students, while also providing the most efficient use of taxpayer dollars to fund schools.

dire wolf

now there is an idea. thanks!

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2cents

Gee! I should be the one complaining here, I pay Perkins property taxes but can not vote on them LOL

FearistheMindKiller

A $100 here and a $100 there adds up to a lot of pork rinds!

Since we don't value education, or apparently take little pride in what the kids accomplish just be done with the mess. Or do you prefer to do everything half-donkey?

Our society values pathetically stupid television shows, the right to be phat, drive big cars on roads with no sidewalks for those that like to walk and we especially value and hold dear to our hearts the killing and subjugation of weaker countries. Wave that flag baby! How about we just have education centers that teach the kids how to kill and wave flags?

Or, how about centers of higher education devoted to teaching us how to become better consumers? We really need to learn how to become better at conspicuous consumption. Musicals, foreign languages, literature, art, it's all overrated. Just burn it all, but make sure the cable bill is paid up so you can fill your brain full of more tripe and idiocy propaganda.

So yeah, let's water down the schools, lets really show these rotten kids that adults also can be sniveling whining crybabies just like teenagers. Lets demonstrate that we truly don't care about the future of our communities, but we are more concerned with gorging ourselves with more food, phatter cars, more trips to Vegas and an icy cold 12-pack of Keystone Light. Teach by example!

So pony up, you all appear to value war, drones, laser guided bombs, faster super computers to spy on us and new aircraft carriers so kill the levies and march onward ho with that money better spent on killing machines.

lifetimeresident

Never Mind
Looks like your just a troll looking for feedback.

CAST THE FIRST STONE

you are a conservative teacher. that has to hurt being so pulled to your union but yet think like we do. I have friends that are conservative every way except public unions because they want theirs from us. We make sure our kids are educated. heck we do 1/2 the teaching at home with homework so jump off your pedestal. Plus light beer sucks

VOTENO

VOTE NO!

Pirate2007

Why do you choose to vote no. You have no say on these stupid blogs if you do not attend the meetings if this is where you get your factual information that is sad, because not everything you read is correct. You attend the meeting and still choose to vote no thats your choice then. But people that are not attending the meetings are having no room to talk about this if you are not there!

VOTENO

My vote counts just as much as your vote regardless if I attend a meeting or not. Last I checked we are still a free Country and we can talk about whatever we want, and that includes talking about voting NO!

VOTE NO!

Pirate2007

I never said your vote did not count! Everyone's vote counts. I am just saying you should attend the meeting's so you know what is going on, and so that people don't just read the blogs.

Pirate2007

I never said your vote did not count! Everyone's vote counts. I am just saying you should attend the meeting's so you know what is going on, and so that people don't just read the blogs.

Resident51

So what someone tells you face to face is factual information? Gunner is telling you only what you want to hear and twisting the facts to get a yes vote. I recall his cries about lead paint, asbestos and raw sewage...later to be found untrue. Is he explaining WHY he needs this levy? Do you understand he stole operating money to build a stadium and school without voter approval at the expense of programs and jobs? I wouldn't believe a word that came out of his mouth. You will see at the polls that the majority of people ARE informed and will vote accordingly. Time to accept reality, your levy will fail.

dire wolf

What a stupid comment to make. Many of us have other duties in life (work,children,ect..) that don't allow us to attend the meeting. To say that someone who did not attend the meeting has no room to talk makes you out to be a fool. This blog is intended for those people that could not make the meeting. Who are you to say that anybody has no right to talk about anything...ever? common, get it together.

observer

Why would you want to attend a meeting to listen to someone who has misused funds and lied to you about it? Someone who doesn't even have the decency to actually LIVE in the school district he's in charge of? Someone who wants to pass levies that will have NO EFFECT on him? People can be very well informed WITHOUT attending a meeting where all you hear is Gunner's "BS" and anyone that opposes him is quickly silenced. Vote NO...............BTW< I know of NO ONE who is voting FOR this levy........NO ONE........perhaps Gunner and the school board need to open a dictionary, and look up the meaning of the word "NO". They've been told that several times, but apparently they don't understand what it means.

smeltz

Just one question for you observer. If Gunner announced tomorrow that he had bought a house in the district would it change your vote?

Resident51

Clearly you didn't read that Observer feels Gunner has lied and misused funds. Not living in the district is one of many reasons. For me, stealing operating money to build a stadium and school without voter approval at the expense of programs and jobs is at the top of my list.

smeltz

No I did...I was just questioning that one statement. I here a lot of people talk about the fact that he doesn't live in the district. Which to a certain degree I agree that he should live here...I am just curious as to what degree that would change people (or in this case "observer's") mind in voting.

Listen, I will be the first to admit that things haven't been done right, but I also understand (as a parent and someone who works with teenagers) that there comes a time when we have to get past some of the things that Gunner and BOE have done and think about our children and the students. As I said in several post yesterday, the way to get the back at the BOE is when it comes to their re-election. If you don't like how they have handled things then run for BOE and change things...its definitely something that I have considered. I am not pro or anti Mr Gunner and the BOE...but I am definitely pro student!! I want my child and the students I work with to get the best education possible. I wish our community would understand that...its not the BOE that will suffer its the students.

Resident51

If programs are cut, it is truly the fault of Gunner and the board. They can stop this non-sense! I do not believe students will "suffer". A great education can still be provided just as other local schools provide in aging, but well maintained, buildings. I am all for providing a well-rounded education to our students while being considerate of the community that funds it.

Gunner and the board just recently made this decision to move inside millage and build a new school without voter approval...as a taxpayer, I am sorry to say it will take longer than a New York minute to "get past" something so unethical.

goodtime1212

The BOE and Mr Gunner talking in these meeting is the same as the last pres. election. Will say anything not to rock the boat in the meeting, tell half truths, not answer hard questions. all politics to get what THEY want sold. They are correct moving the money was legal, but now they have to live with the distrust they created.

goodtime1212

I do agree some what, the BOE should see thay have created a mess and put off this new school idea and regroup, that would help there couse. Then vote out the school board, see what the new board ideas are and start over.

goodtime1212

Aslo have to agree here, they have been told NO to a new school, but basicly said screw the voters we want it, we are doing anyway, how can there be trust?

bobshumway92

I like this VOTENO guy!

Resident51

I wonder what VOTENO knows about what Perkins Schools did to KBI?

bobshumway92

What did they do?

VOTENO

I'm not familiar with this. Please enlighten me.

Resident51

Took them to the Board of Revisions over property value, the BOR sided with Perkins...KBI owes the school a considerable amount in taxes from previous years, enough to cripple KBI. It's no wonder people are being layed off.

VOTENO

I had no idea! This explains the layoffs this week and all the layoffs that are coming. They wonder why nearly everyone is voting no?

Good info Resident51. Thank you for sharing.

Cowboy

Ha ha ha, yeah, that's the reason for the lay-offs! Wow! That company must be running on a shoe string budget for them to lay off people just to be able to pay their FAIR SHARE in taxes!

Tool Box

Karen Balconi Ghezzi, director of the Erie County Job and Family Services, said KBI laid off 36 employees since late last month.

"They say the layoffs are indefinite and are the result of a reduction of the workload," Ghezzi said.

Brick Hamland

Saying "if you missed the meeting, you have no say" is pretty closed minded considering there was a Perkins playoff basketball game that same night. The biggest problem Perkins has is fighting against the public perception, specifically the new stadium and how it was funded, Gunner, and the board moving forward despite the general public voting against the last levy. I have no idea how the stadium was funded, I believe that the school put up the money it would have had to put up to fix the bleachers and the rest was done by fundraising, donations, etc. But the truth doesn't matter because the public votes based on what they beleive to be the truth. It looks like most people on here believe Gunner/BOE handled the stadium improperly as well as the moving the money around on the books. Perkins has to do a better job at changing people's perception of the school, open enrollment, the stadium, etc. I am a St. Mary's grad, I didn't have my own computer, a new building, or even heat in some class rooms in the winter, but what I did have was small classes and a lot of individual attention. Hope Perkins figures it out one way or another... One last thing, to the people talking about Gunner living somewhere else, I can appreciate that he doesn't pay taxes here, but unless him moving here would change your opinion of him and the job he has done it makes you look childish to bring it up.

Resident51

You do understand he's moving forward with a new $50 million school, too...not just a stadium...without voter approval, right?

LawrenceD

Anybody, and I mean anybody that would use the SR blog to get accurate information to form any opinion is a fool. If you truly want information you might consider this the last place for accuracy.

dire wolf

ok, so we shouldn't consider your comment accurate, right?

LawrenceD

It is just my opinion. I didn't give you any facts. Sorry you find my opinion bothersome because I have devalued your blog and the many inaccuracies the SR blog provides on each story.

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