Local Tea Party leader slams Kasich, Medicaid plan

Ohio is about to launch an avalanche of new spending by a federal government that’s already broke, conservatives and Tea Party members say. But health care advocates say that people who can’t afford to go to the doctor finally will get the care they need.
Tom Jackson
Mar 1, 2013

Ohio lawmakers must decide whether to follow Gov. John Kasich’s lead and approve a vast expansion of Ohio’s Medicaid system that would be funded largely by federal dollars.

Medicaid, which helps low-income Americans, covers about 2 million people in Ohio. The proposed expansion, which raises income eligibility and extends coverage to single people who don’t have children, would add about another 500,000 Ohioans to Medicaid.

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The federal government would cover 100 percent of the cost of the expansion for the first three years of the program, then gradually reduce its support to 90 percent.

Kasich said during last week’s speech in Lima that if lawmakers don’t act, tax dollars from Ohio taxpayers will be spent in other states. The Medicaid expansion would bring $13 billion of Ohio tax dollars back home so that the poor don’t have to try to obtain medical care in emergency rooms, Kasich said.

“I (have to) tell you, I can’t look at the disabled, I can’t look at the poor, I can’t look at the mentally ill, I can’t look at the addicted and think we ought to ignore them,” Kasich said. “For those that live in the shadows of life, those who are the least among us, I will not accept the fact that the most vulnerable in our state should be ignored. We can help them.. 

Ralph Kraus, a Perkins Township resident who is a leader of the Firelands Patriots Tea Party group in Erie County and a member of the Ohio Liberty Council, hopes lawmakers will reject Kasich’s appeal. Kraus said the federal government already is deeply in debt and making promises it can’t keep.

 “When the government is promising to take care of you when it’s $16 trillion in debt, it’s kind of foolish to believe the government is doing to stand behind this,” Kraus said.

Comments

Contango

coasterfan writes:

"I have a better idea. Why not start asking rich folks to pay taxes at the rates they did in the 1950's, a time of American Prosperity?"

Obviously, History and Economics were also not your areas of expertise.

After WW2, the U.S. was the world's largest creditor. Today we are the world's largest debtor IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

The U.S. cannot tax it's way out of this mess!

How about a wealth tax? A 3% annual tax on all investable assets over $30M.

Let's see Mr. Buffett, the Kerrys, the Kennedys, the Pelosis, the Reids , Geo. Soros and other Progressive fat cats pay their FAIR SHARE.

coasterfan

Don't you have a job? I post in the evenings and during lunch hour, but you seem to have all day and night to post. So, you're one of the 47% that your buddy Mitt was griping about, I guess?

The US can't completely kill off incoming revenue and get out of the mess, either. And...sorry, but a majority of Americans agree with Obama's plan for a mixture of taxes and cuts. Actually, I read today that even a majority of Republicans agree with that idea. I am not impressed by your arrogance and bluster. We've seen it before in Limbaugh, Levin, etc. Just because you are loud and Know how to insult others doesn't make you correct. Now, hush up and go get a job.

By the way, Warren Buffett has been leading the charge for millionaires TO pay more taxes for a couple of years. Don't you read the newspaper? Sheesh....

goofus

As if President Harrison J. Bounel would ever make meaningful and lasting cuts from other agencies other than the military!!!!!
So has Warren Buffet ever open his check book yet. Talk is cheap!! Let's see him write that check to the treasury!!!

Contango

coasterfan writes:

"Warren Buffett has been leading the charge for millionaires TO pay more taxes for a couple of years."

However, he intends to donate his fortune to charity, thereby skipping the estate tax.

An annual 3% wealth tax (not unlike the one in France) would capture some of his fortune incrementally.

Contango

coasterfan writes:

"...but a majority of Americans agree with Obama's plan for a mixture of taxes and cuts."

So, let's dust off the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform recommendations that Mr. Obama chose to ignore and get the President and Congress back to work!

http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/

It would appear that Pres. BHO only understands campaigning and playing politics, while totally lacking any hint of leadership skills.

Thank you for your deep and caring concern regarding the quality of my life style. I do OK without any govt. entitlement assistance whatsoever.

arnmcrmn

I have an idea. How about EVERYONE pays taxes. Not just the top earners in this nation. I failed to realize that only the rich use the roads, get the public services to respond to them, use bridges...etc.

We have a national problem where we are handing out to much. If people want a fix, its going to have to come on EVERYONES backs in taxes. Oh and BTW the so called RICH already pay 90% of the Federal tax bill. The CBO has already tried to run the numbers and make them work so bad for Obama but nothing adds up. Even if you took 100% of the so called rich's paycheck....its a drop in the bucket.

2 ways to fix this. Broaden the tax base by including everyone, which means no more thousands of dollars in tax returns for a lot of people, or cut spending drastically. All the other talk is just crap going down the toilet.

Thank God coasterfan isn't a business owner or leader. Taxing the so called rich at 90% would kill this country. There wouldn't be anymore doctors or people who go to school for 8+ years......I mean what would be the motivation to.......oh thats right, rack up millions in debt only to hand over 90% of your paycheck to the government so they can just give it out to those that are lazy. This type of thinking is just asinine and anyone with a business degree....even Obie would agree.

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Contango

@ BULLISDEEP:

Unfortunately, social entitlement spending is growing exponentially whereas "corp. welfare" is not.

Our society is spending, spending, spending and sending the bill to future generations.

coasterfan

How convenient that you don't seem to recognize that corp welfare is already at an impossibly high level. Of course, it's only a problem because conservatives don't seem to grasp the obvious fact that, if you almost completely cut off incoming revenue, It's impossible to continue offering even the most basic things Americans have none to rely upon. One wonders if they'll finally figure it out, as the bridge they are driving over, collapses underneath them.

Contango

@ coasterfan:

Yea, why not disregard the billions in fed, state and local tax dollars corps pay as well as all the jobs they provide?

Good luck, even the Dems have their sacred cows. LA - oil and gas.

Revisit Bowles-Simpson: Flatten the base, lower the tax rate. Mr. Obama asked for it and then ignored it.

goofus

Who can afford new cars to drive over those bridges!!! Thanks to union greed and their workers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/0...
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/ca...

arnmcrmn

@contango....that is exactly the formula the socialists want.

underthebridge

Read "A Bitter Pill" which is an in-depth analysis by Time magazine of why heathcare is so expensive and why good care has been difficult for the uninsured to access especially in the last ten years. Think about every hospital or healthcare organization in our area. NOMS = building. Firelands = building. Fisher-Titus = building. Magruder = building. Bellevue = building. Northcoast Cancer = building. Duplication of services under the disguise of competition bringing down prices. It is making some people very very wealthy and typically not those delivering the care (nurses, even some docs). Eye-opening article. 7 - 10 pages, but worth it.

http://healthland.time.com/2013/...

Contango

@ underthebridge:

Thanks for the link.

From my reading of a synopsis several days ago, the author advocates price controls.

With the lack of a free market economy, the Soviet Union had the heavily bureaucratic Gossnab to set prices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gos...

The Progressives think that they are smarter than those "dumb ol' Russians" and can succeed where they failed.

Price controls = lack of access and reduced quality.

coasterfan

"A Bitter Pill" is an excellent article and a must read for everyone. Of course, in Contango's world, it doesn't matter if everyday Americans are financially ruined as the result of a five day stay in the hospital. As long as we can keep the hospital CEO happy, all is just fine with him.

Contango

@ coasterfan:

Again with the straw man absurdity.

Obviously in coasterfan's world more govt. central planning eventually solves all socio-economic ills.

As long as we have well-paid bureaucrats at the helm until we crash on the shores of massive debt; all will be well.

The possibility of free market solutions would never cross his socialist mind.

coasterfan

Actually, I have had plenty of chance to see what free market solutions ( which is a euphemism for runaway greed) has done for America lately. Should we be surprised that more young Americans under age 28 favor socialism over capitalism? If people like Contango line up with capitalism, I don't blame them for choosing another path.

goofus

That's cause they don't want to work, they would rather stay in mom and dad's basement.

Contango

@ coasterfan:

So there is no "greed" in the hearts and minds of govt. central planning bureaucrats? lol

arnmcrmn

thats because the majority of people under 28 are still living off of mom and dad, spending every cent they make and wanting everything NOW. Forget doing what their mom and dad did, by working hard, saving and eventually getting to that point where they can retire and enjoy life.......nahhh, these kids want it now and want someone else to pay for it. Welcome to America 2.0

Centauri

The Tea Party should have never joined in with the Republicans. The Libertarians would have welcomed the Tea Party members.

http://www.teaparty.org/

http://www.teaparty.org/white-ho...

coasterfan

I was always surprised that everyday mainstream Republicans alllowed their party to get hijacked by a decided minority of tea party extremists. I do thank the tea party for handing the Democrats the 2012 election, along with the Dems continued Senate majority. There are 3-4 Senate seats that ended up swinging Democrat thanks to the Todd Akins and Richard Mourdocks and other tea party Neanderthals.

The biggest surprise of all is that they haven't seemed to learn anything from it. If it were me, it wouldn't take long to realize that reason my socks were wet/yellow was because I.d been piddling down my own leg. The tea party gang still operate as if they are a majority opinion in America, when they aren't even a majority opinion within their own party. They remind me of Garrison Keillor's assessment ofGeorge W. Bush: dead wrong and proud of it.

Contango

@ coasterfan:

The socialists "hijacked" the Democrats decades ago.

About the last old-line conservative Dem was Joe Lieberman and he was kicked out even after being the VP nominee. lol.

coasterfan

LOL is right. Where do you come up with this stuff?

arnmcrmn

Oh, lets talk about the Dems being hijacked by the whack job of a group known as Occupy " ". Yeah, they really had their stuff together......"insert sarcasm"

underthebridge

There used to be a law in Ohio and in other states called "Certificate of Need." A hospital or healthcare organization needed to apply to purchase a huge piece of equipment or to offer new services. They needed to demonstrate that the area needed the service or equipment and that it didn't represent a duplication of something already offered. I'm not sure of the exact time frame, but I believe that the law was abandoned about 15 years ago. What do we have now? In our area we have huge pieces of medical equipment (DaVinci Robot just purchased for Fisher Titus in Norwalk) that can't be paid off unless the fees are exorbitant. Then, I'm sure Firelands will buy one too because they will see it as a cash cow. You need to look no further than North Coast Cancer and Firelands Cancer Center as examples of duplication of services not promoting competition, not driving down prices, but making one side the loser (currently, Firelands which has not operated their cancer center at full capacity). I don't have all the answers, but I'd suggest reading the entire article and you will see the excesses are ridiculous.

Centauri

Good comment, underthebridge.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubm...
"Hospital service duplication: evidence on the medical arms race"

Centauri

http://bcn.boulder.co.us/health/...
"After the passage of the Medicare legislation in 1965, the government carelessly issued a blank check to hospitals and healthcare providers to scam billions of our tax dollars. The bills were paid by the government on the basis of "usual and customary" fees. Not only did the government pay the patients bill, but it allowed the hospitals to include capital costs (like expensive hi-tech toys and even hospital construction). Hospitals over built, and there was an enormous duplication of medical services and devices.

A direct outcome of all this was the amazing growth of the hospital corporations. Investors took control and ran the medical facilities not for service and care, but for profit. Today, the king of the lot is Columbia-HCA, its revenues exceeding $10 billion a year."

arnmcrmn

You can't tax and spend your way outta this mess. The numbers don't add up and every independent study agrees.

Gotta love liberals. They hate success and capitalism. Must come from some hidden jealousy because they know they have failed at some point in their life and feel like the person who did make it big, did it all illegally.

When one says "cooperate America" is squeezing every cent out of them, I'd really like proof instead of empty lines on a forum. Do you mean profit by a company is greed? If so, its simple......move out of America.

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