Chief Lang schedules dog training for officers

Police report getting supportive messages
Tom Jackson
Feb 28, 2013

In the wake of last week's dog shooting Sandusky police Chief Jim Lang has set up officer training sessions with Erie County dog warden Barb Knapp.

"I'm not saying we did anything wrong," Lang said. "If we can learn anything by this then we will. We're always trying to be better."

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Through the training he hoped to open Sandusky police officers to different strategies of dealing with dogs and give officers a better understanding of canine behavior.

After getting a slew of nasty emails Tuesday when the cruiser cam video of the incident was released, Lang said a flood of supportive emails came Thursday.

"They're mostly saying 'you shouldn't have to deal with this kind of abuse,'" Lang said.

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Yellow Snow

Schedules dog training for officers, sounds like he's training the officers the way you'd train a dog. Funny headline, thanks!

Trustafarian

Whatcoo talkin' 'bout Yellow? I immediately thought BDSM. Diff'rent Strokes for diff'rent folks!

LifeIsCrazy

Do we really need an update on every minute detail of this case? They've had their 15 minutes, now let it pass.

Yes, this Donna lady deserves the FULL punishment for the crimes she committed. (Yes, they were CRIMES.)

Yes, the officer made a HUGE mistake in the way he handled the situation.

No, we should not be "supporting" the dog-owner - just as we should not be "condemning" the officer.

We are all humans. We ALL make mistakes. People need to realize that this lady was just a careless dog owner whose poor dog's death was a tragic mistake. They also need to realize that this officer is a HUSBAND and FATHER to 4 children with another on the way. This has probably not been easy on him AT ALL. He doesn't need the threats.

Why can't we all just act like the ADULTS we are? Geeeez.

MrSandusky

I wish there was a like button on here. Great comment!

crazyaide

I so agree!!!

transplant

Love your comment, LifeIsCrazy! Both people were wrong in this situation.

dwa9995294

Well said.

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Yes, we all make mistakes, and we face consequences in proportion to the magnitude of those mistakes. YOU , LifeisCrazy, called it a HUGE (emphasis yours) mistake.

She made a mistake with a dog. He made a mistake with a gun. For perspective on the comparative magnitudes, notice that the entire federal administration isn't currently consumed with curbing dog violence.

This may not be easy on the officer, but then, we do not conscript police. People make a big deal about the responsibility in owning a pet, but what about the responsibility of strapping on a gun?

Additional training about dogs is a great idea, and when someone makes a mistake in a field in which they are inadequately trained, the training is also to blame. However, the growing trend of police shootings of dogs, as well as that of people in botched raids, often on the wrong address, raises a bigger issue - the militarization of law enforcement. This nation forbids the use of the military in enforcing domestic law because, at least on paper, the USA is dedicated to the consent of the governed and not maintaining power by force. However, of what good is that when the police are indistinguishable from the military? Law enforcement should depend on broad consensus that the laws they enforce are reasonable, rather than raw firepower.

LifeIsCrazy

All I can say to you is that you are obviously making "a mountain out of a molehill". You're reading entirely too deeply into something that is not as serious as you're making it out to be.

And if you truly believe that the military and police are indistinguishable, you've got bigger problems than I can even comprehend.

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BW1

LifeisCrazy, you should pay more attention to the world around you.

This one incident may be a molehill, but it's part of a larger pattern.

As for distinguishing police from military, when it comes to equipment and tactics, the difference is fast disappearing. Police departments in towns far smaller than Sandusky are receiving millions of dollars in military hardware, including tanks and other armored vehicles developed for places like Fallujah. Most SWAT teams serving warrants look more like infantry squads in Afghanistan. Try taking this quiz:

http://www.proprofs.com/quiz-sch...

Police militarization is a threat to our form of government. More importantly, it's a threat to our safety, as firepower wielded inevitably becomes firepower used. Read up on it:

http://www.theagitator.com/categ...

luvblues2

This horse doesn't look dead enough. I want and NEED to kill it four or five more times, just to be certain.

Rod Farva

By horse you mean rottweiler right?

starryeyes83

better than another dead kid

pavedparadise

Speakin about the Erie County Dog Warden, does anyone know what that office's responsibility is in these cases or do they only handle unincorporated areas of the county?

It seems to me Sandusky did have an Animal Control Officer for this at one time.

asweetnessabove

They still do, it was most likely his day off though. If he was working, they would have sent him.

crazyaide

From what I understand they no longer do.

asweetnessabove

When did this happen then? Because we are friends with him and his family.

BytheBy

Barb Knapp Erie County Dog Warden has been silent on this.

No Animal Control Offcier, budget cuts.

dire wolf

A true step in the right direction. Thank you.

Pastor Ron

When are the classes for owners being held?

crazyaide

I believe that would be a good one too Ron.

transplant

North Coast Canine can train the owner and the pet.

cugs1

really chief? ur leaving soon, let the new chief do what he seems appropriate. the officer did absolutely nothing wrong, nor have other officers who have shot dogs in the past. let it go..................but then again, maybe redo sensitivity training to deal with people like hansen and likes

BEHAPPY

YES, he did do wrong!

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BytheBy

The officer responded in the right way.
the dog was an aggresive menace.

Cityslicker

Is the SR going to print the supportive e-mails, or is that being too fair?

BEHAPPY

Looks to me like you are doing just fine yourselves at supporting his actions! Killing a dog for no reason~phhhhhhffffff

Trustafarian

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I'm sorry, I should have written that ending a comment with a vaginal fart is childish. I apologize to my fellow commenters if my use of slang offended them.

BEHAPPY

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Trustafarian

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The Bizness

HAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Rod Farva

Some people are unbelievable

The Bizness

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Rod Farva

Yummy

crazyaide

Of course not....

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Yea fair is fair.

herbie_hancock

Fat chance, that would be unbias journalism we don't get that here.

lmalley77

All this is just a little too late for Lucy now isn't it!?!?!?!......And for all of you who are blaming the dog/her owner, you probably DON'T ven own/like animals yourselves, because our PETS ARE our BABIES!!!!.....This didn't have to happen to Lucy and I will continue to stand behind it 10000000%!!!!.....You all are saying "let it go"....would you just "let it go" if this officer up and shoots a human being who is close to your heart one day???...I don't think so!!!....And I don't mean for legitimate reasons either, I mean if they are just drunk and beligerant and spouting off at the mouth and make this officer "feel threatened"......

Trustafarian

Cool story bro. Woof!

Nor'easter

Fact is the police attempted to contact owner, who would not answer because boyfriend in the house had a bench warrant for his arrest. Rather than face the police and go to jail over bench warrant, he hid in the house until the dog was shot and then came out to complain. He was subsequently arrested on the bench warrant. Name is Jesse Likes and he paid his fine to the court to stay out of jail later that day on a credit card. It is in the Sandusky Municipal Court records. (See Below)
Case Number: CRB 1201549B
Defendant(s): Likes, Jesse D
05/18/2012
DEFENDANT PLEAD NOT GUILTY
CASE WAS FILED WITH COURT
CASE SET FOR A ARRAIGNMENT ON 05/18/2012 AT 9:00 AM
07/30/2012
DELAY PAYMENT FEE15.00
FINE AMOUNT $ 10.00
CRIMINAL COURT COSTS AS OF 01/18/11 $ 92.00
DEF. PLED NO CONT, FOUND G, FINE 10.00, SUSP
COSTS 92.00, SUSP
11/19/2012
LOCAL COURT COSTS $25.00
FINE BENCH WARRANT ISSUED ON DEFENDANT
02/21/2013
PAYMENT - RECEIPT NO. 417364 IN THE AMOUNT OF $ 147.00
LOCAL COURT COSTS $5.00
CREDIT CARD FEE
02/22/2013
WARRANT WAS RECALLED/RETURNED

starryeyes83

IN other words, the idiot boyfriend hid behind the dog -- wow what a man!

Rod Farva

There's too much random punctuation and ignorance in this crap to even read

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You got that right Imalley77 A person with "police" training is suppost to be able to handle sticky situations where they "feel threatened" better than that before resorting to "gun violence".

Rod Farva

I bet you deal with a lot of "sticky" situations ...

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Sandusky Regist...

Yea i used to make sticy buns you bum.

Rod Farva

I like sticy buns but sticky buns are better

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Sandusky Regist...

Yea yea yea so I have sticky keys on my keyboard too..........

Rod Farva

Your not supposed to blow it on the keyboard

Trustafarian

I bet you like sticky bums too, you little cheeky monkey!

Rod Farva

Slippery not sticky

ladydye_5

Yes they are like babies....I never left my babies unattended either. You do NOT leave a dog out in the yard unattended. Would you leave your CHILD in the yard unattended? Especially in sandusky?????? I own pets, I own a rottie myself....she is NEVER outside with out me, in the front yard she is on a chain, and she has a TAG! If this owner loved her "baby" she would have taken better care of it!

BytheBy

AMEN! She will never take responsibility though.

herbie_hancock

Don't know about you but I don't let my "babies" run around in the street chasing people. The analogy that he is going to shoot a human being next, for no reason other than they are acting stupid is so far out of reach that you are defeating your own cause.

dire wolf

Maybe the post office can get some training too? How 'bout the city shelling out a few bucks for setting up a class or seminar for people who are afraid of dogs of just how to handle a potential angry dog, without a "thunderdome" mentality. those that fear enough for their life to kill would probably jump at the chance to attend. It sounds like there are many more than you may have thought. Take positive steps here. make lemonade out of a lemon. find a way for love and peace, not war. Say no to the Thunderdome!

Rod Farva

This thunderdome idea sounds pretty enticing

herbie_hancock

or we could host a free class to teach people how to be responsible pet owners.

Informed

lmalley, those owners neglected their "baby". And regardless of whether you or anyone else feels their pet is their baby, it's not. It's an animal, and does not have the rights that people do. And before you go running off at the mouth about how I must not like animals, I have three pets, for which my family is completely responsible.

asweetnessabove

Very well said. I too have an ANIMAL. He is a huskey, (one of the dogs on the top ten most dangerous). If he were to have gotten out, and been aggressive and got shot. It'd be MY FAULT, and mine alone. I love my dog, but it would be my responsibility to make sure he was properly secured.

Thank you, I agree with you 100%.

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Informed you are so off the mark here. Although I recognize the importantance for both the dog owner and the cop that shot her and their respective ciscumstances,emotions, etc. it's not about the dog or it's owners lack of responsibility anymore. It's now about the way a "trained police office" who is suppost to "keep the peace" and resolve conflict misused his authority to use his weapon in public. In this instance the chief has recognized more situational training and less reliance on a weapon is in order.

BytheBy

You people really have no sense of ownership do you?

The officer was right! Deal with it!

DGMutley

The officer wasn't right. He made absolutely no attempt to save the dog. You either agree with that protocol or you don't.

Darwin's choice

"Dog training"....so thats what they're calling time at the shooting range now....!

Trustafarian

I like your style! Keep bringing it strong! This forum is "evolving"!

Rod Farva

That's punny

Pastor Ron

Will they be offering training to neighbors of vicious dogs so they know when to run or distinguish between the different types of growls? Seems like everybody needs training except the people who left their dog roam free in the first place.

Centauri

Never trust a police dog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P...
Police dog bites reporter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5...
Girl, 13 attacked by Police dog

Centauri

Would this dog attacking an elderly man deserve to be shot?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W...
Dog attacks elderly man.

sandusky440

Thank you Chief Lang for stepping up and doing something right for the City Of Sandusky! I don't know what everyone else wanted you to do but for most of us dog lovers is all we ask for is training on how to deal with a dog at large. I just don't want to think that the SPD is going to go out and shoot any do that is at large because that is not what is going to solve the problem. So thank you for being proactive.

BytheBy

No Donna doesn't want what is right. She wants money from all her crazy supporters and from the city.

Centauri

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7...
Dog on leash attacks child. Is that a Rottweiler?

Kimo

Bring in George Zimmerman to do that training.........
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Good 2 B Me

Way to be reactive instead of proactive. This sure makes SPD look bad, like they might be admitting to not being properly trained. You know, the kind of thing that lets someone sue the City.

dire wolf

that ship already sailed. time for damage control.

Darkhorse

I think having training from the Dog Warden is a good idea. There is always room for improvement. Since the budget has been cut, it seems the officers are not getting enough training. There was a dog warden a few years back but then when the budget was cut, they cut out the dog warden and the duties fell on the Police Department. I don't know if they every hired that person back and if they did why that person was not called out to handle the problem.

Hoss McGee

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lmalley77

I said it once, and I will say it again, IF we, the public were to have shot and killed a "CANINE OFFICER" because it was barking at us, then WE, the Public, would be going to PRISON for MURDERING a POLICE OFFICER!!!!!!.......It seems a little hypocritical to me that officers would be ALLOWED to shoot and KILL OUR family pets with absolutely NO consequences!!....
And I don't want to hear,"but the owner is at fault because the dog didn't have tags and a collar on!" We all know that Lucy SHOULD have had those things, but that DOESN'T give a police officer the right to shoot and kill an animal who was BARKING at him WITHOUT using other, more HUMANE tactics FIRST!!!! Lucy was shot within a MINUTE of that officer getting to the scene....and I honestly feel that this officer did nothing but provoke her and her barking!!....She was NOT running at the officer when he took the fatal shot, she was standing at the end of her driveway BARKING at him....He squared off with her for at least 5 seconds before he sot her, at which time she was STANDING STILL, NOT charging at him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lmalley77

*shot

Rod Farva

Quit whining

lmalley77

I'm not whining Rod...SIMPLY stating the facts!!!....And everyone who is agreeing that Officer Wilson SHOULD have killed Lucy is just too set in their own ways to understand that the TRUTH hurts!!....Because the TRUTH is, that Lucy was not trying to harm that officer!!....WATCH THE VIDEO PEOPLE!!!!...Half of those who are siding with the officer probably haven't even watched it!!....I stated my point and now have better things to do than argue with people who can't see that TRUTH!..good day! :)

BEHAPPY

Trust me do not argue with ROD or his buddy TRISTAsomethingorother. You will get no where because they have issues

Rod Farva

Aww thanks

Trustafarian

Rod, I think someone needs a hug. Maybe then they'd be happy.

Rod Farva

I agree, maybe some ice cream and a balloon too

BEHAPPY

Trust me do not argue with ROD or his buddy TRISTAsomethingorother. You will get no where because they have issues

Trustafarian

Point on the doll where the bad man touched you. It's never too late to be happy.

Rod Farva

You sound pretty whiny

jes1413

The dog charged the officer, and apparently a postal worker as well. Maybe you should watch the video again, it is after Lucy goes between the two houses that she then charges the officer, who takes 2-3 seconds to aim before shooting. The fact is, the postal worker called the police because of a viscous dog, and the cop shot it. Don't blame the cop, blame the owner who put their dog in that situation.

BytheBy

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Advocate For Animals

Wilson knows what he did and so does the SPD but they can't break the "code blue" by admitting his actions were wrong.

Yes, Lucy should have had tags and not been running free but that in no way whatsoever justifies what he did much less that he committed a much crueler act by simply standing there while Lucy took 10 min. to die. That's pure heartlessness..plain and simple.

I agree with whoever said this is damage control. I don't think they expected the outrage this heinous act has generated much less that the video of what REALLY happened, which shows a completely different scenario from the written version, would be seen by the public.

This is a small step in the right direction. Hopefully no other dog in this city will suffer the horrific death poor Lucy did.

Darwin's choice

Exactly right! Yes, it's "just a dog", and it's "a guy sitting on his porch", or it's a "semi-comatose guy sitting in a chair", who's going to be the next "only" dead person? Wilson needs to sit out for a while, or go completely! Lang, good luck un-ringing this bell........

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BULLISDEEP

They carry that snare ,why not some milkbone treats also.

44846GWP

A-- hole Cop!

Rod Farva

A** hole dog

Hoss McGee

Lucy last words arrrrr

Trustafarian

I wonder what was going through her mind at the end.

Rod Farva

A 9mm jacketed hollow point

24productions

LMAO>>>>peh heh heh...

dire wolf

Has anybody ever met a dog that wasn't receptive to a treat, a dog bone, a rawhide, almost to the point where they will be your friend forever if you just show them you can be their friend. (happy dog = peaceful solutuion). The police can buy a whole box of treats for less than 4 bucks. Will last years and be a great option #1. no cold blood on their hands. Say no to the Thunderdome!

Trustafarian

I'll have to try that next time I go to Daly's.

BEHAPPY

Aggravating souls

Trustafarian

I'm a ginger. I have no soul.

BEHAPPY

Nothing else to do HA

nofufucat

Kudos to Jim Lang for giving some thought to dealing with an aggressive dog. Another suggestion would be not only to have the county dog warden involved in the training of officers in dealing with aggressive or apparent aggressive dogs but you have canine officers that are trained use them too.

mikel

Train them to use a 45 on them instead of a .40

Rod Farva

I was thinking 00 buck

Trustafarian

Maybe I could be of assistance. I like drinking Colt 45 in a 40.

Rod Farva

Lucy likes mad dog 40's

Trustafarian

She can't handle her liquor though. One shot and she's on the floor.

Rod Farva

Lightweight

Trustafarian

If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.

Rod Farva

Or just get shot

24productions

you two are killin' me...lmao...please, stop, or I'll cough up my rott burger

mikel

thats funny as hel

Now The Rest of...

I am a huge dog lover but lets get serious, how many different articles on the same subject do we rely need? Once again we see the anti law enforcement/SPD bias of this alleged newspaper. Time for Lang to retire, again.

Julie R.

Appease the outrage over this by scheduling dog training for the officers .... wow, now that should do the trick, right? No reprimand or anything for the unjustifiable cruel shooting of a dog .... or the cops that shot the senior citizen sitting on his front porch .... or the cops that shot the young man that was passed out on the couch in his parents' house. You can bet those Cleveland cops that shot 137 times into a car won't get anything, either. OHIO has turned into a pathetic joke. None of these public servants that get paid with taxpayer dollars are ever held accountable for anything.

Centauri

Great comment.

I wish that more people would pay attention to the police shootings of humans. I am neutral on the shooting of the dog because the dash cam did not show the actions of the dog behind the house. The back stepping of the police officer could be considered a clue. I would like to hear the call to police and what the police dispatcher said to the officer before he arrived on the scene.

If a person shot and killed a police dog, even if the police dog attacked an innocent person, the person shooting the police dog would be charged for killing a police officer.

EdO's

"a flood of supportive emails came Thursday." "They're mostly saying 'you shouldn't have to deal with this kind of abuse,'" Lang said.

Police chief getting nasty emails from people upset about officer shooting dog ...http://www.sanduskyregister.com/...

A flood? I think most reasonable people will say that the actions of the officer are not warranted and he should be removed from the position of public trust.

I don't want any more loose cannons in positions of authority.

And I also have a problem with the police chief downplaying this inexcusable behavior. The perpetrator doesn't belong in public with a gun and if the chief wants to support that kind of reprehensible conduct, we may want to ask ourselves whether this is the kind of man we want in this position.

Father of 1

So let me get this straight. The "team Lucy" people said he let the dog suffer for well over ten minutes right? The whole dashcam video wasn't even that long. "Team Lucy" says he got out of the car and pulled his gun right away! Really??? Looks to me like he didn't draw his weapon til he was slowly walking around where the dog went between the two houses. Did anyone see teeth showing in the video? Of course not. Why? Because the video isn't zoomed in on the dog. You people are beating a dead horse. The dog is gone. It will never come back. I'm sorry it ended badly for "team Lucy" but unfortunately for the dog it had very irresponsible owners who didn't care enough about their "child" to look after it. It chased after the mail lady and neighbors and lunged at Officer Wilson enough that he had to shoot. You don't like the SPD or how our city is run? MOVE. We don't want or need your problems here.

asweetnessabove

Agreed.

BytheBy

Team Lucy is full of a lot of people very familiar with the law! You know, getting arrested, going to jail, going to court, getting arrested again. Repeat, repeat, repeat

DGMutley

"... You don't like the SPD or how our city is run? MOVE. We don't want or need your problems here. ..." <<< Father of 1

Really? In other words the only solution for Lucy was to put her down? Sorry to have to point this out to you, but you aren't making any points for the SPD.

rickross2

So, did a cop shoot a dog or something?

tzu4u

Very good move! It is nice to have the SPD act quickly on this. Using bullets is not the best way to deal with dogs.

BytheBy

It is when the public and an officer feel threatened.

OMG.LOL.WT_

How much was the dog's owner fined? I saw the pictures of her facing the judge but no mention of the outcome. That would be news.
Redaction: Found the long, boring, stupid video and my understanding now is she will be back in court later.
I would rather read news than watch a poorly produced video. CC would help.

doc5798a

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BEHAPPY

What about his fellow police officers that wrote in the readers forum. First sentence he is not an animal lover, blamed the owner because they had calls on Lucy in the past. Well, I have a real problem with that. If they had calls on Lucy in the past, they knew the dog, they knew where she lived, they knew the owners, they handled it without SHOOTING and KILLING her in the past.....WHY THIS TIME?

Hoss McGee

All I have to say is her or her boyfriend had plenty of time to get up off the couch and check on the dog. Couldn't they hear her barking or were they just ignoring her? She didn't pay the past fines for the dog being out and about. So now she had more fines to pay. Which probably won't get paid. So the Crowbar (Home of the Strange Rangers) decides to have a benefit for her to possibly sue the City of Sandusky for shooting her dog. Well she needs to get over it and face the facts that its her fault the dog was shot!

DGMutley

I guess you missed the part about Wilson responding to the call in 3 minutes. Plenty of time? And, definitely no time to go up and knock on the door? Yeah, Hoss I got ya.

doc5798a

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Hoss McGee

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Darwin's choice

He (wilson) didn't think that far ahead! "So ok you say the officer just let the dog lay there and suffer. So let me ask you this what was the officer suppose to do?" Well, Hoss, wilson didn't think that far ahead, he had no "training" about what to do after shooting someone,or something. Lang didn't advise what to do or say after pulling the trigger. Who's next?

miktoxic

bytheby and hossmcgee are definitely gun owners and if they ever had a dog probably kicked it once or twice.

listen. the dog didn't even make an attempt TO BITE THE OFFICER!!!

these officers look like a bunch of scared little girls in the nation's eyes. i live 10 miles north of NYC and cops here don't shoot dogs. guess it's jsut better training or the fact after dealing with real criminals a dog isn't much of a threat even if it bites you.

what's the matter, these guys have never taken a punch before?

what a well-trained bunch of girl scouts. pathetic.

JohnDorian12

Im not saying we did anything wrong, but we are going to waste time and money to train the officers in something we didnt do wrong in the first place..uhm HUH??? If Lang is trying to appease the public and satisy them, hes more clueless than I thought he was, there will ALWAYS be something that those morons hate about that PD.....that city REALLY needs a new STRONG OUTSIDE THE CITY Police Chief....