VIDEO: What if the Perkins levy fails?

The Perkins Board of Education and superintendent Jim Gunner outlined who and what could possibly be cut. There will be a $600,000 shortfall should the levy not pass in March and any program not mandated by the state could be affected.
Jason Werling
Feb 19, 2013

 

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Click HERE for the video of pending cuts being made regardless of the levy vote outcome

Comments

rww859

I have the following questions. If someone has accurate information I would appreciate your answers:
1. Will the current open enrollment students stay at Perkins next year or are they being sent back to their home schools?
2. If open enrollment was used to fill grades that needed 4-5 children, why were there 456 open enrollment students?
3. How many teachers were hired for the Open Enrollment?
4. Do teachers still get full tuition reinbursement for all the classes they take?
5. What percentage do teachers pay for their health insurance?
6. What percentage do teachers pay for their contribution to State Teachers Retirement System?
7. Is the superintendent really getting mileage to drive to Perkins?

Trustafarian

Eventual consolidation with Sandusky city schools. Better hope abortion stays legal and Obama doesn't take your guns!

rww859

Tue, 02/19/2013 - 1:52pm
I have the following questions. If someone has accurate information I would appreciate your answers:
1. Will the current open enrollment students stay at Perkins next year or are they being sent back to their home schools?
2. If open enrollment was used to fill grades that needed 4-5 children, why were there 456 open enrollment students?
3. How many teachers were hired for the Open Enrollment?
4. Do teachers still get full tuition reinbursement for all the classes they take?
5. What percentage do teachers pay for their health insurance?
6. What percentage do teachers pay for their contribution to State Teachers Retirement System?
7. Is the superintendent really getting mileage to drive to Perkins

wiredmama222

@trustafarian....I doubt that there will be a consolidation with Sandusky schools since since they were the only ones to get Fed funds in the area. And unless both House and Senate change the second amendment, no one can take your guns. So you are safe on that note

But unfortunately the second one has nothing whatsoever to do with schools

wiredmama222

If there is going to be this much shortfall, how in the world could they have even begun to think about building a new school even with a levy?

Perkins2060

wiredmamma222 I finally agree with you! LOL!

wiredmama222

@Perkins2060...it had to happen sooner or later. LOLOLOL

Resident51

Exactly! If you didn't steal operating money to build your school, these cuts wouldn't be necessary. Be informed, they are building a new school no matter what!

EdO's

The same rhetoric..."it costs too much money to maintain." Sure it does NOT. Line up the costs of new construction including interest and risk to the costs of maintenance. Maintenance wins every time.
It's a scheme. School building is big business and the taxpayers pay for the deals that favor the bond makers and the contractors.

Resident51

I would ask what they have done with the Permanent Improvement money all these years? Why haven't they addressed these issues? Funny how the school was not safe a few weeks ago. Now after a report from the Health Department, Gunner doesn't even mention his "unsafe" school. With the exception of the 1908 very small section of the high school, Perkins has newer buildings than any schools in the area.

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BW1

Maintaining the existing buildings doesn't serve Gunner's edifice complex.

Curley

I agree with Wiredmama if there's going to be a shortage in the school system how can they ask for a new building. Fix up what you have and watch your spending start to cut back even if it means cutting help. The city schools cut back on teachers why can't Perkins cut back on help and save money to build a new school. Don't always ask for a levy.

VoteYES

You don't even pay taxes like the other districts! Stop complaining!!

underthebridge

wiredmama - this is why many of us have lost confidence in the BOE and the district's superintendent. We attend meetings. We ask questions. We remember when they announced that the budget surplus would not last forever because of expected cuts at the state level. We're informed. Building a new facility now makes about as much sense as building a house when you've lost your job or had a reduction in your pay.

Resident51

These are simply scare tactics the board is using to obtain your yes vote! All schools do it. And when they start talking about the state coming in to take over-don't believe that lie either! Margaretta went through something similar a few years ago and I read in the paper that the state doesn't "take over". You don't have to repay the state with interest. Whatever comes out of Gunner's mouth is a lie. I hope your levy committees don't come knocking at my door. You will never have my trust, confidence or vote!

wiredmama222

@ resident51...actually, look at what happened to Cleveland when they came in and "took over" but then they give it back. So I wouldn't worry about that. But do you realize what problems Perkins would have to have to make the State come in and "take over"? PLEASE>>>>>> Perkins is no where NEAR that problem.

This man cannot get a straight story straight can he? First you guys had money for a new school. Now you have a shortfall? If that is true, where did the BOE ever intend to get the money to build a new school? The money fairy only shows up in even years and only when there is 31 days in February if memory serves....lol

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BW1

" First you guys had money for a new school. Now you have a shortfall? "

For crying out loud, haven't you been paying attention? They got the money for the school by shifting millage/funds from the operating budget to the building fund, and now the operating budget has a shortfall.

i.e. they essentially STOLE from the operating budget to pay for servicing Gunner's edifice complex, and now the levy is to put back what they took.

wiredmama222

@BW1...then let them put back what they took. Since they no longer have a building fund, the point is moot, wouldn't you say? How ridiculous.

wiredmama222

@underthebridge...and I can see why you have lost confidence. This is one board I bet should start thinking about election time really soon, right? LOL

Darkhorse

Perkins wants money to build a new school and where do you think they are going to get it, a tax levy. Tis the season of tax levies and they need to sell it by getting everyone hyper that they are on the verge of collapse. How can you speak of building a new school and then turn around and plead poor to get a tax levy passed?

Resident51

No, they are not asking for a tax levy for a new school. The are transferring (stealing) operating money, moving it to Permanent Improvement funds, to build a school...without your vote. This is going to happen even though the voters didn't support it, and don't know. Now they are asking for an emergency operating levy....because they don't have enough money to operate. Why? Because they are using it to build the new school. They are holding us hostage! VOTE NO!

EdO's

.without your vote

.without your vote

.without your vote

.without your vote

.without your vote

Curley

They will probably build a new school without the vote of the people like they did the stadium Gunner will find a way to push the new school through.

Resident51

Not "probably". The school IS getting a new school without the vote of the people. The levy is not for the new school, it is for operating money that they stole to build the new school.

beekspubs

Bad management! No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No!
You " the Board of Education" put yourselves in this situation. Now we "The Taxpayers" are not going to bail you out. I am sure you are all educated people, figure it out yourselves. We will say "NO" to you. Change management get honest and maybe we can all move forward towards new levies and a new school. But this will be done on our terms not with a gun to our heads!

Perkins2060

Lot's of great comments on this article! Keep them coming!

bao

re: resident51

the bulk of the permanent inprovement funds have paid for the leased computers the kids have had the last few years

bao

re: resident51

the bulk of the permanent inprovement funds have paid for the leased computers the kids have had the last few years

Resident51

I understand what PI funds are used for. They are also used to maintain buildings which clearly they have not been doing if they need replaced so badly.

goodtime1212

I can NOT beleve after all this,even the BOE would think ANY of this is a good idea. Mr Gunner keeps saying " it will cost to much to keep what we have " Has there ever been bids put out to see just how much it would cost to stay? Oh I know we should take his word on it, just like they did that he woould move here and pay the taxes like the rest of us.

goodtime1212

Can anyone tell me ware we can find out how much the school board payed for the football field and how much was donations/ I know a few voters who think it was 100 percent donations I KNOW thats not true but not sure how it breaks down. thanks

Lil DAB

Maybe your answers are in this audit on the State of Ohio Auditors page. ;-)
http://www.auditor.state.oh.us/a...

donutshopguy

goodtime1212,

Call or e-mail the superintendent or the athletic director. They should both have that data.

berlinrdgang

Next they will threaten to remove sports like Huron did... Schools like Huron and Perkins where sports are fruitful, this always works! oh..and then they will give all your teachers raises too!
Good luck Perkins residence, your back is against the wall!

Perkins2060

They will threaten to stop busing also.

Perkins2060

What's Gunners tax rate where he lives? Is this why he won't move here? Are Perkins Schools not good enough for his kids? Do we pay him mileage to drive back and fourth? How many paid consultants have we hired to get the levy passed? How much are we paying these consultants? How much does it cost the taxpayers every time the board puts a levy on the ballot over and over again?

Tell it how it is.

The comments here make me sick to my stomach. The cancer of negativity in this area is too much for me to handle. The fact is that no matter what the school does the same people will write negativity up here. (fact) The scary thing is that Perkins has the lowest effective tax rate in the area and the community won't pass a levy. (fact) Historically they don't pass levy's. (fact) Sandusky will stand to tax themselves at 41 mills while the Perkins Residents have a problem taxing at 26mils. (fact) When will people realize who they are hurting by voting these down. If people want run down schools and very limited programming they will soon get it. (fact)

And I think the BOE for staying off the ballet this long. Longer than any other district in Erie County. (fact) I also thank them for keeping my taxes low while I live here.

Perkins2060

(Fact) levy supporters make me sick. (Fact) The majority of Sandusky homes are not owner occupied. (Fact) That is why Sandusky blindly passes all levies. (Fact) The majority of homes in Perkins Township are owner occupied. (Fact) That is why levies have a hard time passing.

Pirate Mom

I have a job (fact). I pay taxes through my employer and on my home (fact). I support the levy because I've actually stepped foot into the schools in the last 20 years (fact). I vote (fact).

goodtime1212

FACT: I WORK IN THE TOWNSHIP, FACT: I VOTE IN THE TOWNSHIP, FACT: MY KIDS GO TO SCHOOL IN THE TOWNSHIP, FACT: I WAS IN THE SCHOOL LAST WEEK. FACT: I WILL BE VOTING NO.

PerkRes555

Fact: you will only be hurting the kids if you vote no

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BW1

No, that is an opinion, and one not supported by the facts.
Fact: there is NO correlation between school spending and student outcomes.

Resident51

The school funded half the stadium (fact). The school moved inside millage to PI to build a school without voter support (fact). The school now is threatening cuts because they don't have enough money to operate (fact). I will be voting no (fact).

myname

I will be voting no.(fact)

goodtime1212

FACT.. if we could trust the BOE to be responsable with our money I would vote YES now. A million oR so bucks in a football field, knowing the school needed work is not responsable, Moving over the inside millage to help fund a new school and then saying we are going to get rid of teachers becouse we cant offerd them is not responable. They come out with a plane other then a new school and it is realistic you MIGHT see a big change of minds on here.

Lissa4u

These are just scare tactics the school board is using to pass the levy. They will threaten to drop sports and to stop busing; every school district around here does it.

This year it is Perkins wanting a new school. Next year it will be Sandusky. Why else do you think they bought the old Memorial Hospital? It is to make room for the new school they'll need to build next year because adding the seventh and eighth graders to the high school has caused it to be too crowded. Wait and see. It will be on the ballot this year or next.

FYI: It is my understanding that every school system has a million dollars in reserve for "emergencies".

reader

Com'on, folks ! Don't you want your school to be as nice as your football stadium ???

Stadium cost $ 3.4 million 1/2 donated 1/2 from school funds

How many teaching positions or other staff could have been saved with 1.7 million dollars ?????

myname

Answer: None. Gunner wants to build his new school to put on his resume so he can move on. He doesn't even live here. He has no investment in this District.

donutshopguy

Mr. Gunner has no skin in the game. He has maneuvered funding legally around so the public has no vote on the building of the school. The operating levy will not pass and we will have a new school with no funds to support it and Mr. Gunner will be off to a new job.

beekspubs

I think you hit the nail on the head.

goodtime1212

YOU are correct DONUTSHOPGUY. wHY SHOULD HE CARE his kids dont go here, he wont pay the tax, like he said he has been the head of 2 schools, there will be a 3rd. THE MONEY WAS THERE A YEAR OR SO AGO, THEY HAD IT, THEY JUST MOVED IT FOR THE NEW SCHOOL AND FOOTBALL FIELD. now they say they are broke,HE IS A BULLY thats it. using our kids as pawns for his agenda.

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BW1

One other thing that needs to be said:

Gunner serves at the pleasure of the board. To all those voting no, you do realize that ANY vote to retain an incumbent board member is pretty much asking for these shenanigans to continue, right?

God Of Thunder

Can anyone answer the 1st comment from rww589??? I've been wondering the same things...

whocares

Raises go to the administration first, then the teachers.

PerkRes555

What raises? The teachers have been on a pay freeze for a couple of years. They have made many concessions.

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BW1

No such thing. That only means that they didn't have a cost of living increase, but most of the step increases that remain are as large as or larger than the cost of living increase.

reader

Don't you think the administration has earned it ? Look at that beautiful stadium !

donutshopguy

I'm all for the process taken by the citizens who raised private money to help finance the new football field. I give then credit for their effort to support what they believe in.

Why don't we use the same concept with the new school?

Those people who believe the natatorium is needed raise half private money to help build it. Those people who believe the gymnasium is needed raise half private money to help build it.
Those people who believe the auditorium is needed raise half private money to help build it.
Those people that believe the arts are needed raise half private money to help build it.

Come on guys put some skin in the game. Don't just rely on others to support what you believe to be necessary. You know sports and the arts will be the first areas cut. Tell them no by raising private funds to build the facilities.

I've offered a middle ground approach.

It eliminates some of the feeling that the board and superintendent are forcing this issue down the taxpayers throat. It eliminates some of the feeling that taxpayers are spending money on non-educational facilities. It allows people to believe that they were a part of process and be proud of their effort.

The stadium was truly a community project. Can't we do the same thing with the school?

JERRY from SANDUSKY

I would rather HOME SCHOOL than send them to Sandusky freak school

Lil DAB

I posted the Perkins audit from the State of Ohio at Goodtime1212 comment previous page. To any other schools wondering how much property and income tax is collected and how your district's money is spent, escrowed, donated, dispersed etc go here:
http://www.auditor.state.oh.us/a...

PerkRes555

Perkins Schools is the best school district around and it is upsetting to see all of the negativity. We are only hurting our children if the levy does not pass.

Resident51

You have got to be kidding me?! "You're only hurting the kids" is a bunch of BS! Perkins is "Effective" at best. Gunner first stole students from surrounding schools hurting those schools financially. Perkins residents pay the extra staff, extra buildings, and extra cost for these students above what the school gets in open enrollment. He then stole operating money to build a new school for these additional 500+ new students that the community voted a big fat NO on, yet he's doing it anyways. Now he's crying he doesn't have enough operating money. This negativity was a result of his tactics. You better wake up and smell the no votes because this levy will soundly be defeated.

I'm Done

I find it very disturbing that no matter if the levy passes or fails, Gunner said that will not stop the building of a new building. I find it more disturbing that even though the athletic boosters and band boosters supported financially to the building of Gunner's stadium, he is more than willing to threaten the cutting of sports. Let's not forget the taxpayers money that was put into the stadium without their approval. So, let's get this straight, you threaten any activities not mandated by state and busing but are still going to build? If sports are kept, you are also threatening up to $1,000 per sport to play, but we get a new building? With what money and how do you expect to maintain that building? As a resident of Perkins, with kids in district, I am more than willing to open enroll elsewhere. We voted board members in to represent us, not bully us. We wonder why bullying happening in our schools? They learn through example, example of our superintendent and board members. I MOVED to this district because of what Perkins stood for but no longer holds true with how they respect their community members. If you plan to cut all that is not mandated by state, does that mean computers are also cut? Good. I am tired of all the controversy that open enrollment, computers and the new building has brought forth. I am ready to open enroll outside of district where the board cares about public relations. Gunner needs to go!