ACLU seeks removal of Ohio school's Jesus portrait

A portrait of Jesus that hangs prominently in an entranceway at a rural Ohio public school is in violation of the U.S. Constitution and should be removed, a federal lawsuit filed Thursday says.
Associated Press
Feb 8, 2013

 

The American Civil Liberties Union of Ohio and the Madison, Wis.-based Freedom From Religion Foundation say the large portrait at Jackson Middle School unconstitutionally promotes religion. The two groups seek a court order requiring the school to remove the portrait and prohibiting its re-hanging or any substantially similar display in the future.

"The maintenance and display of the portrait has the effect of advancing and endorsing one religion, improperly entangling the State in religious affairs, and violating the personal consciences of plaintiffs," the lawsuit says.

The suit follows complaints by both groups to school officials, and was filed on behalf of three plaintiffs, identified only as "Sam Doe." One is a student at Jackson Middle School; the other two are parents with children who attend the school.

School Superintendent Phil Howard, named as a defendant along with Jackson City School District and the school board, was out of town for a meeting Thursday but said through a spokeswoman that he was surprised the lawsuit was filed before the district completed its investigation of the issue. He said the board will discuss "an appropriate course of action" at its Feb. 12 meeting.

The Columbus Dispatch previously reported that Howard said at a school board meeting last month: "We're not violating the law and the picture is legal because it has historical significance. It hasn't hurt anyone."

School officials have said the portrait was donated by a student group and has been in the school since about 1947.

But ACLU spokesman Nick Worner said that while defenders of the portrait cite tradition, that doesn't change its interference with constitutional rights.

"Separation of church and state is one of the nation's oldest traditions," Worner said.

The Liberty Institute in Plano, Texas, representing the school district, earlier wrote to the ACLU and Freedom From Religion, saying the institute was investigating the issue. The institute said the portrait has been in place for some 65 years, apparently without anyone complaining about it.

Hiram Sasser, director of litigation for Liberty Institute, said Thursday the lawsuit was premature. He said Liberty Institute planned to present its findings and recommendations to the school board at next week's meeting. He declined to discuss the findings, but said the goal was to make sure the legal rights of all involved were considered.

"It's obviously a delicate balance," he said.

The district is some 65 miles south of Columbus.

 

Comments

The Bizness

"The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." and Article VI specifies that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." - Wikipedia

This is obvious favoritism to a specific religion and should not be in a public school.

John Harville

bIZ... "CONGRESS" being the definitive word in this discussion.

Contango

Closer to home: Always wondered why a copy of the 10 Commandments are in front of the Norwalk City Hall.

Are the atheists fallin' down on the job?

And what the (bleep) are all those "God" references on our currency and federal buildings?

John Harville

"God" references. Not "In Jesus We Trust". Not "With Jesus All Things Are Possible". Not "one nation under Jesus"...
the Ten Commandments are from God via Moses...the other 656 in the Penateuch are from Moses - you know, the ones about killing a non-virgin wife, and prohibiting tattoos and piercings and - my favorite - the limits on how much money a father can charge for his daughter.

happyfeet64

I've wondered why noone has said anything b4 now about city hall. I practice a different religion and I do not agree that it should be there.

John Harville

The Ten Commandments are from God, Allah, Jhwh - at least that's what Moses told the Israelites (and ONLY the Israelites). But why didn't they post the other 646?

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Well, for starters, because there are over 600, not 256.

John Harville

BW1.. You are absolutely RIGHT. 656.(I corected my incorrect post) But they ALL are Mosaic and thereby Judaeic/Muslim (You DO know Islam traces its beginning to Abraham too?)

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You should probably just stop before you dig any deeper. The number is 613 and the Mosaic covenant is not acknowledged by Islam. Commonality ends at Abraham's sons, many generations before Moses.

John Harville

I will yield. Obviously you know more than the Evangelical Baptist preacher who taught us.

Islamic law - according to the Imam under whom I studied - adopts the laws of the Torah which comes from Abraham and was illuminated by Moses who - along with Jesus - is given space in the Qu'ran.

So perhaps the picture of a white Jesus should be replaced by picture of Abraham?

herbie_hancock

aww does it hurt your feelings?

paws4thought

The Bizness - what, pray tell, specific religion is the portrait favoring? I can see where displaying a portait of Jesus in a school or posting the 10 Commandments in a public place, as questioned by Contango, could lead to the ultimate downfall of civilization as we know it, but I fail to see how the existence of either favors ANY SPECIFIC religion. Fortunately for the rest of us, though, we have you and the ACLU here to tell us how to think and superimpose your will on us.

The Bizness

I really don't care if it is there or not

But that picture does favor Christianity

paws4thought

And your point would be?

John Harville

This was NOT founded as a Christian nation. Thus, In GOD we trust - not Jesus.

John Harville

Paws. Really?
Jesus CHRIST. CHRISTianity.
Ten Commandments. Mosaic/Judaic laws. JUDAISM and ISLAM (Abraham laid down many of the laws - except that adultery thing of course. And Islam and other Arabic religions ALSO trace their beginnings to Abraham.
Instead, we have you and Contango to tell us how to think and to attempt to superimpose your wills on us.

Kottage Kat

Seeing
THOU SHALL NOT KILL
Well. ???????

Contango

Most scholars believe that a more accurate translation is: Thou shall not murder.

The Judeo-Christian God often advocated the killing of Hebrew enemies.

John Harville

Well. Something we agree on. Scary, huh?
EXCEPT: It was the Judaeo/Mosaic God. Christianity had nothing to do with it - unless you are openly accepting the Triune God in the Gospel of John that "and the Word was God."

Floyd P

I can be as liberal as they come but sometimes the ACLU gets a little carried away. A simple solution would be a compromise. Since the superintendent believes Jesus is of historical importance, why not place a picture of the Buddha on one side and a picture of the Star of David on the other? Then add on from there - a pentacle for Wiccans, a yin-yang for Eastern philosophy, a crescent moon for Islam and the Om symbol for Hinduism. Now you've covered the major religions and it would give children a chance to open their worlds and explore other traditions so they can decide a belief system for themselves and just maybe they would grow up to be more tolerant of each other.
Oh, and add a blank canvas for the atheists.

John Harville

@Floyd...You beat me to it.

jon491

You forgot the $ sign

John Harville

jon491... GOOD! And the Bomb.

pntbutterandjelly

They may want to also consider puting up "666" in all fairness.

mikel

there are so many more IMPORTANT things that we should be worrying about!!!

it is interesting that the aclu does this yet it is ok for the gov't to give vouchers for kids to go to.......wait for it.......catholic schools (which, btw, i have no problem). mixing gov't and religion there!

John Harville

@Mikel. actually the Governor is giving public money to private for-profit schools as well. But now Christians are getting upset about vouchers for Catholic/religious schools because of a huge upsurge of Muslim/Islamic schools in the state - whose students also qualify for vouchers.
And for years public schools have been required to provide transportation for private school students as well as being administrator for state funds to private schools for speech therapy, reading therapy, etc. which religious schools can't afford to offer.
The Ten Commandments are Jewish - no Jesus present on the Mount or in the burning bush.
More important issues? Hmmm. So many of those issues eventually get around to religion - gay marriage, choice, personhood - religion.

mikel

john, quite the contrary person eh?

i do realize that vouchers go to many different schools not just catholic. i was just trying to get to the gov't-religion thing.

As far as my comment about more important things. the argument here is directly regarding a picture. we are worrying about whether or not a picture should be hanging in a school.

and yes, there is more important things to worry about than a picture.

John Harville

Mikel... those 'more important things' include drones, economy and 'entitlements', 'marriage', 'choice' etc. And in EVERY one of those you will find a religious argument... because ALL those issues at the base are about human beings and individual citizens.
The picture of Jesus in a public school is an iconic subliminal message which children see everyday. It's been there how long with its subtle message of Christian morality?

mikel

They also all tie back to obumbles and I don't like his picture so maybe I will call them and have them take down his pic.

John Harville

Mikel. Maybe we can replace it with a picture of you since you obviously know all about all and judge all ...

thinkagain

“It's been there how long with its subtle message of Christian morality?”

God forbid our children become influenced and contaminated with the idea that they should love one another.

gilamonster

I heard they are going on a campaign to remove all religious icons, and replace them with a “state” approved picture of the “messiah?” Next lawsuit will come from the Muslims removing God and replacing it with “in Muhammad” we trust…………just a matter of time

The Bizness

yes and sharia law shall govern our lands

Contango

Moderators have removed this comment because it contained Profane, obscene, sexual or derogatory language.

LOL. Do I need to explain an old Vaudeville joke to you?

(Under Sharia Law, hands are cut off for theft - hence "Lefty")

What did you censors think it meant?

The Bizness

That's a good one

Trustafarian

My wife left me because of my Athiest ways. I still can't believe it.

John Harville

good one!

John Harville

"If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off..."
---MATTHEW 5:30

Some folks on here probably wouldn't be able to text.

John Harville

Contango... REALLY?
"If your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off..." MATTHEW 5:30

Sharia law? Again REALLY?!!!

John Harville

Contango... 'Lefty'... cute.
What did Moses call a non-virgin bride? Executed.

What do Catholics call a divorced Catholic? Excommunicated.

John Harville

Gee. I don't know Contango. Vaudeville... isn't that where Caucasians smeared their faces with burnt cork in Minstrel Shows? Slapstick. It would seem to me your 'joke' was derogatory to an entire religion. But I'm not the moderator..

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I said F the ACLU and my post was pulled the other day, LOL :)

John Harville

Sharia Law = capital punishment = different how?

goofus

The degree of punishment nimrod, everybody must get stoned

John Harville

Goofus... There you go again with the namecalling. "Degree of punishment?" Different shades of dead? Like in England where the upper class was beheaded while the lower class was hanged, drawn and quartered?
Not all executions are by stoning - though that was the favored method in the days of Moses and -- Jesus. The first martyr of the church was stoned. But... Jesus was crucified.
Stoning in Sharia law is only for adulterers. Iran has outlawed it.

goofus

From the person that called fellow bloggers asshats you have the nerve to chastise me for name calling. So are you condoning stoning only for adulterers? Kinda wondering how you feel about the cutting off the hands off thieves? So Iran is a settled down sharia country?

I see you are musically challenged when it comes to old song lyrics and saracasm!!!!

John Harville

Wouldn't a 'state-approved picture of the 'messiah' violate church/state?

Where did you 'hear' such a thing?

goofus

They do, his name is Obozo the messiah, keeper of the Kool-Aid.

coasterfan

Nahhhh... Republicans are the keepers of the Koolaid. Theirs is truly a life inside the bubble, in which no facts permeate. When even your own party leaders start saying things like "We need to stop being the stupid party", this is what most would label a Wake-Up Call.

arnmcrmn

But we allow Muslims a class room and 10 minutes out of the day for prayer......yes that just happened in Dearborn Michigan.

John Harville

And in the same school the other children pray the Lord's Prayer or something similar. That's separation of church and state. In my childhood every Friday a woman came to school and taught Bible class in the classrooms. Catholic children were allowed to go to the library or cafeteria to study.
How would Dearborn parents react if a Muslim teacher made all their 'Christian' kneel with foreheads on the floor and recite Muslim prayers?
Or... what if evangelical Protestant children in a classroom were required by their Catholic teacher to pray a "Hail Mary" or the Catholic version of the Lord's Prayer?
Hooray for Dearborn!!!

thinkagain

The secular humanist’s want to hold God’s funeral and bury His moral law along with Him. He's giving us what we asked for: a world where we get to treat him as though he is absent and unnecessary.

Robert Jastrow: "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

John Harville

The Triune God is with me waking, sleeping, laughing, weeping, when I lie down and when I rise up and all the milliseconds betwixt. -Psalm 139
Sorry you don't seem to have that.

"This is my command. I command you to love one another as I have loved you." Jesus (also in Matthew)

OSUBuckeye59

@thinkagain,
When you wrote "secular humanist's want to hold God's funeral...", are you referring to God or Jesus Christ?

The single most important belief in Islam, and arguably the central theme of Islam, is that there is one God. The Muslim name for God is Allah. Judaism is a monotheistic faith, meaning that Jews believe there is only One God. Christians & Catholics also believe in God, but they go a step further in the belief of Jesus Christ being the Son of God.

thinkagain

There is only one God, who is composed of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Jews reject Jesus because He failed, in their eyes, to do what they expected their Messiah to do. To the Muslim it is incomprehensible to suggest God needed to sacrifice Himself.

One method to helping both Jew and Muslim relate, is by pointing out that throughout the entire Old Testament, a sacrifice was required in order to be reconciled to God. This explains the need of salvation, sacrifice, and Jesus Christ.

Floyd P

More arrogancy - condemning other religions while insisting yours is right. What would you do if you found out no one religion is right? Switch to atheism? Or check All of the Above? Take your blinders off and think for a moment that there may be a Creator who could care less what you believe in, that we are all in the same boat (not ark) and will end up in the same realm after death regardless of what man-made religion you follow.

thinkagain

Lost and confused is your choice, revel in it. For myself, I will follow Jesus.

shucks

Floyd P

You better get busy and find out who the real God is while you're still alive because after you die, it's too late.

I'll you give a big hint, it's Jesus.

http://www.biblegateway.com/pass...

bored reader

But, The God of the Bible is NOT the same god of islam!

MiddleRight

Obviously John has his panties in a bunch.
Look, Jesus was a man, who lived and walked on the earth. If you want to remove his picture from a school for "Religious" reasons, then you are recognizing that he was the son of God, so all of the Christians say Thank You. You might remove him from schools, but you can't take him out of our homes.

thinkagain

It’s interesting how some atheists spend so much of their time focusing on something they don't believe in.

Contango

The road to salvation is long and difficult. Be sure to bring along plenty of snacks and magazines.

John Harville

Contango. Salvation is free. What religion taught you otherwise?

Kimo

Re: "What do Catholics call a divorced Catholic? Excommunicated."

not anymore....
.

Contango

What do ya call a cheating or divorced Catholic? A Kennedy.

John Harville

Reallly Kimo? I'll be sure to tell all my Catholic friends who have not yet spent the money and time to have their marriages annulled. Not three weeks ago one approached the altar and was turned away by the priest. So please give me the reference that says s/he still can receive the sacraments.

anthras

John, I really do not think that happened in Sandusky unless there is more to the story than what you have told. I do attend daily mass and weekly Bible study and spend time reading the "Catechism of The Catholic Church", I am also a eucharistic minister and I have never refused anyone. If someone would receive knowing that they should not then they will pay for that.

I will ask Pateras Joe tomorrow and I would be willing to bet that no one was turned away for that reason alone.
According to the catechism book that I have rule #2383 states that divorced Catholics can receive the eucharist. If they are then remarried out side of the church then of course they should not receive.

KnuckleDragger

Don't exect John to reply since you are able to prove that Mr Knowitall, really is just talking out of his backside again.

Kimo

In some schools in Michigan the majority of the students are Muslim.

Start the day with a pledge and a prayer rug........

Be careful what you pray for.....
.

rickross2

I think that a picture of Jesus should hang in every classroom in the country. If you dont like it, get the heck out of this country! Our founding fathers wouldnt want it any other way. Neither do I!!!! I say close the borders and remove anyone who wasnt born on U.S. soil.(including Obama)

The Big Dog's back

Yeah, let's get rid of john mccain since he wasn't born on U S soil. And last I knew Hawaii was a state in 1962.

shucks

Trueness

OSUBuckeye59

@rickross,

Our Founding Fathers wouldn't necessarily have supported a picture of Jesus hanging in every classroom in our country. If the Founders had truly been devout Christians, they would never have written a wholly secular document, that document being our Constitution. Contemporary documents of the time, everything from personal correspondences up to colonial proclamations and legal code, included references to the Christian faith. The Founders broke with centuries of tradition and wrote the first secular constitution in the world - a constitution which has given rise and protection to a plurality of competing faiths.

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson (letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787)

“I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies.” Benjamin Franklin

"Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together." John Madison.

John Harville

rickross. I think Thomas Jefferson (Deist) and the Unitarians would disagree - they don't recognize Jesus as God. Many of the Presbyterians believed in slavery (even right here in Erie County).
Remove ANYONE who wasn't born on U.S. soil? Does that include their descendants? From where did YOUR ancestors emigrate. When?

coasterfan

Actually, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were either atheists, agnostics or deists. Their anti-Christian comments cannot be interpreted any other way. Separation of church and state was decidedly the prevailing point of view among our Founding Fathers.

Randy_Marsh

How about instead of a picture of Jesus or any other diety, We put up huge copys of the Constitution and the bill of rights so the children will learn what rights they will lose if the continue to vote for the messiah in washington.

John Harville

Randy.. the 'original' Constitution and Bill of Rights? Or the one that has been amended 28 times (including the 18 AFTER 1791?)
What rights will the children lose?

coasterfan

What are your thoughts, I'm wondering, about the Patriot Act, the biggest intrusion on our Constitutional rights over the past 200 years? You are aware that it was a Republican president who enacted that one, right.

Randy_Marsh

@Coaster
I am well aware that bush instituted the patriot act, I am also aware you approve of it as long as Obama is in office. I on the other hand think they both need held for treason. So please save your "Its his fault" BS while campaigning for Obama who has not only kept but expanded these atrocious policys.
(Oh, What rights will they lose? They are advocating for killing citizens without a trial, That about sums it up for the rest of your rights dont you think?)

goofus

Obozo kept all the aspects and enhanced them!!!!!
Have you heard Obozo's drones flying overhead yet???????

The Big Dog's back

Maybe you should read the Constitution. Obama can't run any more.

Randy_Marsh

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06...
Not if the messiahs lacky get their way. You people want a god in washington, Just admit it. Without the golden one telling you when to breath you would be completely lost.
Contango
Tue, 01/22/2013 - 12:44pm
According to Newsweek, Pres. Obama IS the Messiah:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/bre...
The Big Dog's back
Tue, 01/22/2013 - 3:56pm
Yes He is!

9299

And here I thought all along that Ronald Reagan was the be all to end all!

The Big Dog's back

22nd Amendment marshy.

John Harville

In all fairness, there is a small movement afoot to repeal the 22nd - which was put in place by Republicans after FDR saved the nation and the world and voters kept re-electing him.

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I would support that if there was a replacement to it to term limit not just the president but other positions in Congress and perhaps even the Supreme Court. One option would give each president one six-year term or keep a possible two terms of four years each. Members of Congress could abide by similar, maybe with an exception of two six-years or three four-years. Supreme Court Justices...hmmm...can't give a suggestion for that right now. I understand why the appointments are for a lifetime but maybe a 20-something year term to buffer against generational charisma and populism?

Since we are cleaning constitutional house it would be nice to increase the number of U.S. Representatives we have, perhaps tie it to a population figure/percentage, and put the Senate back into being the house of the states (state legislature appointees/election) instead of house of the people "same thing but different edition".

This prevents stagnation of money, ideas, and clout and gets rid of GOBs. Think of all the money "saved" from senatorial races alone! Plus it lets newer, younger minds passing through more frequently. Also a "None of the Above" choice on a ballot would be nice should the people find a lack of faith and confidence in the selection. If it forced out the front-runners it may actually encourage more people to vote since their voice would be heard even if it was one of dissatisfaction.

Randy_Marsh

@Dog
Cant read a link huh?

The Big Dog's back

It doesn't matter what the link says. Do you know what it takes to get an amendment passed or removed?

Randy_Marsh

@Dog
They do not need to remove it to ignore it.And given a chance thats exactly what you worshippers would do, Lord knows you already approve of his ignoring the 5th,6th amendments so why would you not approve of them just ignoring the 22nd? Anti American obamabots are as close as you can come to a terrorist with them undermining the law of the land and blood thirst against fellow citizens.

9299

For those who insist that religious beliefs should continue to be mixed in the public/political arena where separation of church and state are supposed to be the rule, then I suggest that we start to tax church property, Sunday collections, and donations. No way should Pat Robertson and others like him (both Republican and Democratic leaning religious leaders) who influence their "flocks" with regard to blatant political views and actions should be allowed to continue on tax free.

OSUBuckeye59

Agreed.

John Harville

Especially when they endorse candidates.

arnmcrmn

Good old liberal rhetoric. If they endorse someone, and we all know you mean Republican....lets tax em to fix the problem. No different than the Union thugs who collect money and spend 70% of it on politics....endorsing Democrats.

Oh and BTW, churches and their schools do not receive federal funding....that is why they are tax exempt. For someone who knows so much, you think they would of researched that.

KnuckleDragger

How would the Rev's Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton survive?

The Big Dog's back

They both pay taxes.

arnmcrmn

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KURTje

God how I love my Marine Corps!

goofus

So your the one!!!!

John Harville

urp... does that include Uncle Sam's Misguided Children (USMC)? The ones who just posted that ridiculous World Wide News story about Republicans planning to begin impeachment proceedings in March. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

whocares

Why do atheist spend so much time fight something they don't believe in.

coasterfan

My wife is an atheist. Her answer to that question is always two-fold. #1 Religion becomes a problem when it forces its way into politics and begins dictating policy for our country. #2 Religion is pushed into an atheist's face pretty much non-stop.

goofus

Isn't it a religous world? Add up the world's religous followers then the world's atheists, what number do you think is greater.

The Big Dog's back

Gee goof, I didn't know you favored a Theocracy.

John Harville

What does 'religion' have to do with faith? I don't do religion, either. It just gets in the way.
But please ask her how she doesn't believe in something she says doesn't exist. I can say I don't believe in Contango... but oops there it is. And yes I intentionally compared Contango to God.

bored reader

Because they are afraid God may get a hold of them. Deep down they know there is something to the idea of a higher power but are afraid to admit. jmho

hilltop

I see a lithograph by Warner Sallman. Only those in the "secret society" of Christians would know who it depicts. Maybe we should throw out all paintings and/or lithographs of unmarked bearded men with long hair becasue, you just don't know, they might be a picture of God.

Strain at a nat and swallow a camel. Some would rather our children had lock-down drills, DARE classes and "tolerant" sex education before any discussion about universal truth and understanding.

Wonder why some are wandering into schools and killing 1st graders?

Gunner10

Who gets to make these rules I would like to know!?! We can't talk about Jesus in school, but how and why do the kids in school get to learn about Buda and Mahamid, Greek mythology(which some people think is real) Muslem? It's in the text books that they learn out of... and the ones that want to carry their Bibles to school get into trouble. Or how about saying "God Bless You" after you sneeze. I know of one student in our area that got into trouble. I tell you what, we better turn back to Jesus... Could this be why there is so much trouble and havoc in the schools now?

thinkagain

William McGuffey: "Erase all thought and fear of God from a community, and selfishness and sensuality would absorb the whole man." Where do you think the world is heading today?

Contango

"fear of God"?

FEAR = False Evidence Appearing Real.

The Big Dog's back

FEAR= Fox news.

Contango

@ Dog aka betrump aka brutus smith:

Let's get back on-topic shall we?

As a Marxist don't you view the State as God?

"Actually a bunch (of) Stone Age right wingnuts wrote the Old Testament." (brutus smith, Sept. 10, 2010)

John Harville

Buddha, Mohammed, Jesus, Shinto, The Crusades, The Reformation, Puritan overthrow/execution of Charles II, Constantine, Native Americans, Maya, ... ugh... I don't have enough room here to list ALL the various religions to which students are introduced (notice I didn't say learn) in the schools.
"God Bless You" originally was intended to block the evil spirits from re-entering the body after they were sneezed out. It's called Supersititon and has nothing to do with God.

starryeyes83

If I have to fear God , I'm in big trouble...interesting this has been done in -- history month... and can ya all hear the pi$$ ng and moaning if this had been a picture of a certain civil rights leader....hellfire and brimstone would have come knocking already.

{sarcasm is free, all others pay cash}

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John Harville

God came to us as Jesus and taught us to call God "father" so we no longer needed to fear Yahweh.
Pictures of Jesus - especially a long-haired white man - don't belong in schools.

ski

Don't the ACLU lawyers have anything productive to do with their time. If this picture has been up there for over 40 years without hurting anybody, why get your shorts all twisted up now? To bad those commies do not defend the 2nd amendment with the same fervor.

John Harville

No freedom is absolute. Even the Second Amendment is 'abridged' by laws that keep 10-year-olds from buying guns and ammo.
And how free is your 16-year-old's speech when s/he calls you a godmsonabiche?
And parents being allowed to sign consent for their child to submit to a random drug test? oops, there went their Fourth Amendment rigts.

ole45mag

That picture or painting of...Jesus..., probably doesn't come close to what Jesus the Christ looked like. The bible in it's description of the coming Christ stated that there was nothing about him that would make us desire him. King David, who was before the man Jesus, was powerful and handsome. Jesus, who was rejected by the Jews who loved David, was not He was meek and as those predicting his coming...not attractive enough to desire. He was perhaps not as good looking as this painting we see depicting the Christ Jesus. May as well me Eddie Van Halen up there on the wall.
And as for the ten commandments...what's the big deal. We don't follow all of it anyway. Who keeps the sabbath? I know, Jesus did away with it. But he didn't. God said to keep the 7th day holy...period. So we Christians are a group that does break the least of the commandments anyway. And come on anyway, how holy are we anyway? We boycott Procter and Gamble because they promote abortion,then we buy are crap from China that NEVER aborts Babies (except females, we'll need that army someday and the bullets them Americans are helping us afford, and the technology to make good ones)...
Yea, the ACLU and the atheist needs to let us keep making us become the group that Jesus vomits out of his mouth. We're just a bunch of "think we are's".
But we ain't.

Kottage Kat

B. Basic
I. Instruction
B. Before
L. Leaving
E. Earth

ole45mag

It's more than basic instruction. The basic instruction is the milk spoken of. The rest is meat. Basic courses in college are the ones that we take just to fill the colleges requirements whixh are usually less than meanful courses. But then, to get a degree and have a chance at being successfull, you have to take a lot of classes that pertain to your ambitions. Basic instruction teaches you to believe in Jesus. Course requirements teach you to how to follow Jesus.
The rich man believed (basic instruction), but couldn't give up his possessions in order to follow (course requirement).
South Parks's on.

shucks

@Kottage Kat

I like that and it's true.

Some of these people better get it right in this life because after they die, it will be too late.

John Harville

Faith without acts is dead. It's not enough to pray for rain. Grab your umbrella!

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arnmcrmn

Its easy to see the cry babies on this topic because the moment you post something, they come right in...again and again and again to rip on your beliefs, background..etc.

I wonder what the schools answer would be if DEETROIT Michigan had 100 catholic students that wanted a classroom to themselves, some prayer rugs and 10 minutes out of the school day to pray when they felt the need to? Im willing to bet, it wouldn't be allowed.

Our nation caters so much to the minority groups in fear of being blasted in the media, yet we have essentially stripped and tore apart what our country USE to be.......to cater to minority groups.

I don't need a picture to remind me of Jesus or to be thankful for what I have, but when we are told we have to take our Jesus picture down and replace it for a classroom and a Muslim prayer rug......yeah, its wrong either way you look at it.

ole45mag

Or Native American Dream Catchers and Mandalas(?) What really sucks is when the minority becomes the majority, which it will, then the majority will once again rule and get all the benefits.

John Harville

Catholics want prayer rugs?
"..what our country USEd to be.." which is:
In the name of Jeeesuhs this country enslaved an entire race, denied marriage to couples of different races, put people in debtors prisons, confined Catholics to Rhode Island, burned people as witches, herded the first Americans onto reservations in the desert or frozen North, denied the vote to half the population America,conscripted men into military action, confined Japanese Americans to internment camps...
THAT country? And a lot of that was done while Jesus was hanging in that school encouraging children to love one another.

rjk1915

Np one has a clue as to what Jesus looked like; possibly Semitic. ( the Shroud of Turin is apparemtly 14th century).

rjk1915

I notice that the political nuts are avoiding this topic.

meowmix

Sure are alot of "holier than thou" posters on this article. Such store has been set upon a book that one-half of was wrote about some guy and his deeds that none of the penners ever actually knew--(sorta like Kitty Kelly and her biographies.) Seeing as how this is the case, why no belief in unicorns, Santa Claus and the tooth fairy?

Contango

meowmix writes: "...why no belief in unicorns, Santa Claus and the tooth fairy?"

Don't you believe in Pres. BHO? Now THERE'S a fantasy! :)

John Harville

JOBS NOW!
Contango. That's the name you've chosen here.
Not Confucius. Those are Faux pearls drooling from your lips.

I've never seen a unicorn, Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy, either.

rjk1915

I think it'sOK provided that they also post fictitious portraits of Buddha, Confucius, Mary Baker Eddy, etc.

Unabasho

Eschew discrimination
Neglect not The FSM
Respect Pastafarianism

thinkagain

God forbid our children become influenced and contaminated with the idea that they should love one another.