Ohio gun show patrons fear more laws

Some of the hundreds of people who turned out at a northeast Ohio arena to buy, sell and trade guns over the weekend said they feared more government control over firearms.
Associated Press
Feb 4, 2013

 

The attraction was the Ohio Gun, Knife and Military Show at the Summit County Fairgrounds in Tallmadge. Many there said the talk about gun control after the tragedy at Newtown, Conn., has become a political obsession and no additional laws are necessary.

The Akron Beacon Journal (http://bit.ly/UQSfLe ) reports that some of the sellers posted fliers asking gun owners to call their legislators to oppose any new gun regulations.

Countering that effort was a similar call that went out this weekend from religious leaders across the nation encouraging people to call their legislators seeking support for additional gun-control legislation.

 

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real talk

Paranoia is a terrible thing. They should be seeking mental help not more guns

Randy_Marsh

Then why the big push to ban firearms? Are you paranoid?

John Harville

Mellow out Marsh... there's no "big push" to "ban firearms" just a call for a little 'gunsense'.
Why is it always 'ban firearms'... perhaps you are the paranoid one?

Randy_Marsh

You read feinsteins bill? http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/...
That covers 90% of all weapons in the United state according to reports. I'm not paranoid, I'm realistic.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20...
You still want a unarmed populance? Your government is rationalizing killing you.

Simple Enough II

No paranoia here, It isn't about gun control, it is flat out "control" they are after.

shucks

It's paranoia.

shucks

It's paranoia.

thinktwice

No Fear, it's more about the right given by the 2nd ammendment. You also have a right to drive a car, but not operate it recklessly. If you look at the numbers of firearms owned, make no mistake,no matter what they decide it will take alot of effort and for decades to erradicate them. Truth is they aren't going anywhere just like this current administration. If you want bad statistics look at how they've driven this Country into the ground.

Trustafarian

Guns are like abortions. If you're against them, don't get one. I'll respect any American's right to exercise their freedom of speech and protest guns and abortions, but in return they must respect my right to own a gun and support legal abortions.

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thinkagain

Clinging to paranoia while marching around clutching guns isn’t how I want to go through life. I can’t even imagine having to carry a gun for fifty years because I’m afraid to go to the library, restaurant or grocery store without one.

beepx22

then don't carry one, that's your right, just like it's my right to carry one. that's how freedom works

Bluto

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beepx22

I love the first half, and the last 20 minutes or so lol

looking around

I don't like the idea of you carrying a firearm in the grocery store when I'm shopping...how about that! I'm of no threat to you, but if you go crazy over the price of milk who knows what may happen!

beepx22

now who's the paranoid one? you should go to 1 south for help

beepx22

oh if it makes you feel any worse, i've never seen a no gun grocery in the area, so guess what... there's always an evil gun around you waiting to jump out of a holster and start shooting the place up because the milk is expensive, which of course happens all the time, which is why CCWers are in the lowest percentile of having criminal records.

Bluto

I don't believe that CCW'er are the problem or the answer to everything . The real problem is where and to whom these weapons go after private sales . From this point on I personally feel the weapon is in the wind and consider it a liability to the community . I like the idea of having to sign over a weapon from one owner to the next like a vehicle . Then a history of the weapon can be tracked to it's origin . Still not perfect , but a start .

Maggdi

...or recorded in a police report after being stolen..... Oh I think they already do that, don't they?!

herbie_hancock

Your already SUPPOSED to register a gun every time you buy one, people just elect not to do so because now that weapon on "paper" is assigned to that owner/address/ssn etc. this is where the problem is because now the government knows where and to whom the guns are, negating the whole purpose of the second amendment, which is the right to own weapons if we would need to overthrow the government. If the government is trying to take away the ability to over throw them then that should raise some red flags...The president said today that "weapons of war don't belong on the street." As if the everyday AR owner is walking around on the street with one. The ones running around on the street with ARs are gangbangers, which adhere to any and ALL new gun laws and regulations right?.... The problem isn't the guns whatever the make or model. The problem is that our country has lost the respect for life. You can argue until your blue in the face that violent video games, movies and tv shows don't desensitize you to violence but they DO and WILL. When you throw mental illness, bullying and parental neglect in with a violent lifestyle then you have a recipe for evil actions. PLACE THE BLAME WHERE ITS DUE! America is no longer the greatest nation on the earth, its the nation where nothing is your fault. There is virtually zero self accountability anymore. MOLON LABE.

looking around

I would hope they are in the low percentile......if they have a record they should not have a gun period!

Bluto

Yes , I still recall the infamous crab cakes incident at Kroger's . People lose it all the time , and that why I don't think it's too much to ask for universal background checks for all weapons . It won't solve all the problems , but you have to at least try . Unregulated and indiscriminate sales are not the answer .

beepx22

to get my CCW i had to undergo a background check, get printed, ect. I jump through the hoops because i follow the law, let's look at randleman who was under disability, out on the street after killing someone else, used a stolen gun that went missing in like 1976... do you think a background check would have helped him at all, do you think a street level thug is going to jump through any hoops?

Bluto

There is no perfect system , but the one we have now can definitely be upgraded . I agree , the common criminal won't give a crap , and there will always be crime . We have to minimize it as much as we can . There is room for improvement without infringing upon people's rights . The problems start when the extreme factions on either side of the issue start butting heads and fogging up the big picture .

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Bluto

Signs and wonders ; )

Speakezy

Lets start the "assault weapons" ban with the movies! They have been making MILLIONS glorifying them for years. Let Sly put his money where his mouth is. Bullet In The Head... now that title doesn't glorify murder at all.

John Harville

How about "The FBI Story"? You dirty rats!

Maggdi

I seriously cannot understand the SR paying for this kind of dreck from the AP. The headline and the secondary headline suggest we might read some quotes to convey this "fear". No such luck.
I wonder how many could be quoted saying sometime along the lines of "..I reject more government control over firearms"?

RemorselessEverMore

Lame news story... If I want to hear about the politics regarding the gun issues, I would rather check out CNN or Faux News... Not here... Waste of energy to publish this garbage...

whocares

Didn't Sandusky have seven murders last year? How many were committed with a gun? People kill people not guns.

John Harville

People using guns kill people... recalling Officer Dunn.

beepx22

Officer Dunn was killed by a one of the few guns that wouldn't be banned under the new AWB bill. The guns they're going after by name they're going after for cosmetic features only.

Simple Enough II

Dunn was murdered by a drug user who was not allowed to possess a firearm, what about the woman and her 2 children (strangled to death), the po po uncle who was stabbed to death, the man who was bludgeoned to death in his home, yeah firearms played a big part in those murders didn't they.

luvblues2

"po po"? Really?

arnmcrmn

How many deaths occurred around this area last year from car wrecks? Ban cars.....they kill more innocent people each and every year. Facts don't lie.

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The Hero Zone

A bit satirical to a real concern, but maybe it let's us step back a second and consider things in a different way:

http://funtimeshad.com/2012/12/n...

wiredmama222

@the Hero Zone....LOLOLOL....now I know why you are successful. LOLOL

John Harville

The movies? SERIOUSLY?
We had the Godfather series - but I don't recall any resulting massacres.
"Little Caesar" didn't increase the sale of tommy guns.
"Bonnie and Clyde"?
"Dillinger"?
"TaxiDriver"?
And all "psycho" did was make people a bit dirtier as they avoided the shower.
"The Untouchables"?
OOOOOPS... we're coming up on that most fateful "St. Valentine's Day"...

Simple Enough II

How about we look at the Antidepressants folks are using, I think that this bears more on these violent acts than a weapon, something is setting these folks in motion and it is not because of a style or caliber of weapon.

wiredmama222

Could it be that people are a little more ANGRY these days and have no where to go with it? So they are acting out in the worst way they can? They pick up a gun and just start shooting?

They know that will get someone's attention!

Simple Enough II

Take a look at the shooters, they all for the most part were mentally unstable and on anti-depressents, do a little homework on it.

wiredmama222

I have read and listened to all of the last few shootings. Yes, each of the last shooters have indeed been mentally unstable and "on" something. If your point is that mental health is a problem, yes it is. But some of this could be caught if the process of purchasing a gun were better prepared by more "informed" background checks, including those at gun shows. I see nothing wrong with that. Even if seller to seller gun sales were done that way, we might be catching someone who should not be buying a gun for that very reason (mental illness) were found before he bought a gun, it would prevent them from shooting someone else.

The other thing is the way guns are secured within a home. That is the responsibility of the gun owners themselves. unfortunately for Sandy Hook, the owner of those guns either didn't have them secured or was unable to keep them secured before the killer got them from her. We will never know the answer to that problem.

wiredmama222

Do they really fear more laws, or do they fear having to do background checks when they haven't been doing them at all before this?

I bet the latter is the problem for most gun show sales.

Simple Enough II

Then don't go to a gunshow.

arnmcrmn

@simple...obviously wiredmama has never been to a gun show.....because they do background checks on the spot. Just like she knew so much about semi automatics and how they shoot bullets faster.

wiredmama222

I have been to many gun shows. Never assume. And I have yet to see all persons who have purchased, including my ex husband, go through a background check when he or his friend, bought guns there. So please do not try and tell me that ALL gun shows do background checks. Right out at Ehove was a perfect example of how they did not do a background check when the two of them bought guns and not a single check was done when they purchased. That is an out and out lie that a background check was ever done....person to person sales does not always do that and you know it.

And lets not go through that semi automatic thing again, as I was right about how fast they eject their bullets. Unless you are calling the head of the NRA a liar as well? Is that the case? You are saying that Wayne Le Pierre does not know what he is talking about when he talks? Ok, then, I will write and tell him what a total liar you say he is on here and include the transcript of this conversation to point it out. I am sure he will be most gratified to know that.

wiredmama222

@ simple enough 11. You guys just assume too much for not knowing someone very well. Why, we intend to go to one as soon as the next one comes back. Or to one in Toledo. In fact, my husband had a wonderful idea about doing background checks to save everyone a problem. Do the background check right at the door when you are entering. Then simply stamp everyone's hand that has had the check. No stamp, no purchase. That way no one can buy the guns without that stamp. It frees up everyone from having to do their own background checks and each person entering has already been cleared to purchase. Without the correct stamp, which cannot be falsefied, no one can buy a gun. No muss, no fuss. Not a bad idea, I must say. better than going to the last gun shoe we visited in AZ.

abigbear

http://minutemennews.com/2013/02...

“I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new ‘litmus test’ in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks. ‘The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not.’ Those who will not are being removed.”
Read more: http://MinuteMenNews.com/2013/02...

wiredmama222

Oh, please.

abigbear

xzz

abigbear

The U.S. government is authorized to order the killing of any American citizen who is believed to be a “senior operational” leader of al-Qaeda or “an associated force” regardless of whether that person poses an immediate national security threat, according to a confidential Justice Department memo.

The 16-page memo, a copy of which was obtained by NBC News, reveals the rationale behind the September 2011 drone strike in Yemen that killed alleged al-Qaeda operatives Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan. Both men were American citizens and had not been indicted or charged with crimes.

Human rights activists and other critics have questioned the Obama administration’s policy of using drone strikes against alleged al-Qaeda operatives, including U.S. citizens. The key question in the debate has to do with whether the federal government is within its power to kill Americans who have not been indicted or charged with any crimes.

Trustafarian

I'm confused. Now we aren't supposed to kill Americans who have vowed to destroy America and wage jihad against our troops?

The Big Dog's back

Wow, a bleeding heart right winger. If you sleep with dogs you might get fleas. If you pal around with terrorists you might get erased.

wiredmama222

@abigbear....I should hope we WOULD be doing just that. Anyone who has taken up arms against AMERICANS, who vows in any way, shape or form to harm the USA, should be shot down, at or destroyed. If these people were Americans and have become traitors to their own country for beliefs that now go contradictory to their own country, then they should be killed.

They ceased to be Americans when they took up the cause for AlQueda or any foreign government. You cannot play both sides against the middle and call yourself an American ever again. They were indicted by their own words and actions. They were activists for Al Quidea and then their families cry foul? Why is that? Pick a side but do not call yourself an American when you pick up a bomb and use it against Americans in a war AGAINST American's on foreign soil. That makes you a traitor just like these young man became. Of course the military went after them and killed them. They were traitors of America and they got what they deserved.

I don't weep for him, I don't spare one tear for a traitor. Not one. Most American's won't. So don't come on here and expect anyone to feel sorry for him either. He was AlQueida through and through. Not Islam, not pure and free. He was a traitorous man without a soul. He deserved to die and die he did.

Speakezy

But, but he has a Nobel piece prize for the peace he might bring to the world!

Simple Enough II

Is that why he received it? Silly me I thought it was for another reason.

reporter54

8 of 9 massacres were committed by mentally ill persons. They would have found other weapons if they had not been able to obtain guns. Making tougher gun laws won't necessarily help and responsible sane citizens should be able to own/carry guns. There are conspiracy theories that suggest the government wants to disarm citizens in order to have more control (as if they don't have enough already) and then you want to call it paranoid? Just look around and count the rights you no longer have.

Simple Enough II

Thank you Reporter54, but some of these folks will not listen to logic or reason and/or suffer from little man syndrome.

whocares

The Government is trying to maintain popularity by only looking at the problem at the surface. People are murdered everyday by a variety of ways. Guns probably make up the least percentage of murders. And yes mental health does play a big part. So does Hollywood and the video industry. I believe you need to give people back the American Dream again. You don't hear this mentioned any more. Give people a chance to earn a living wage and you would probably see things start to change. Its easy to pick on guns because people are affraid of them. Instead of passing new laws we should enforce the ones we have.

looking around

Some thoughts on gun control or the regulation thereof. It seems as though this topic is at the fore front lately. Those in opposition like to say “if guns are outlawed then only criminals will have guns” Lets look at this statement for a minute. Where do outlaws get guns? They steal them from legal gun owners who don’t take necessary precautions to make sure they don’t fall into the wrong hands, these gun owners are irresponsible in the manner they store their weapons and ammunition. They also fail to use technology that would render the weapons useless to those who may gain unauthorized access. The criminal also obtains these weapons by going to states that have little or no control over the sale of guns and ammunition to anyone with the money to purchase them. An unscrupulous person may purchase and re- sell in the interest of profit with no regard for legalities.
Those in opposition of stricter gun control are against background checks and psychological evaluation. How many think that someone hole up in the woods with likeminded individuals suffering delusional paranoia that fear their government, with numerous weapons at the ready with a boat load of ammunition stores for what they feel is an ultimate standoff, could pass a true evaluation to legally purchase and own these weapons and ammunition?
Take a look at the way gun dealers, police, and military safe guard their arsenals and ammunition stores. Why do you think they feel it is necessary to maintain these safe guards?
IMHO the more weapons and ammunition we can keep out of the hands of irresponsible people as described in the beginning of this message, the better chance we have of keeping guns out of criminal hands or out of the hands of those not properly trained in handling them.
What is wrong with regulation that forces the gun owner to take full responsibility for the guns they own? I have two long barrel rifles a shotgun and a revolver. I have trigger locks on all, they are not stored loaded and I keep the ammunition in a lock box in another location of the house. When I’m away for extended periods I entrust another person in my family to lock them up with their guns for safe keeping. If I take a gun out of storage and have it at the ready and loaded, it does not leave my sight and is placed back in safe storage when not needed.
I have no problem with looking at better ways to regulate the ownership and use of weapons and can’t envision any sane person feeling any different.

beepx22

locked inside my house should be plenty safe, since you know, breaking and entry is illegal.

looking around

@ beepx22 not good enough if someone else can get their hands on your guns and ammunition and they being at the ready or in a useable state be in possession of them for ongoing criminal activity. If that's the way you store your weapons than you should be held as accountable as the criminal who steals and uses them.

beepx22

are your knives locked up? how about your hammers, do you put your car keys in a safe and lock them up? all of these kill more than what most people call "Assault weapons" by your train of thought, it's okay to break into someones house, which is a giant lock box. Not saying my guns aren't locked up, but your home is your sanctuary

looking around

@ beepx22 of the items you mention the only one that a criminal takes with future considerations of murder is your gun.......be responsible for it.

beepx22

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looking around

Not at all I own guns, but I respect and accept my responsibility for safeguarding them from ending up in the hands of those with criminal intent. As for murder by other instruments you identify, these are not used as weapons of choice in mass murders or for that matter most murders that are premeditated. A person threatening with a knife would have a hard way to go in a Sandy Hook style situation. A person would have a difficult time driving my suv around the hallways of a school building or theater targeting his victims. Incidentally my car has several factory safe guards against unauthorized use. Alarm system, door locks, ignition lock plus my club. and my car is insured for liability......perhaps your guns should require liability insurance in case they are misused. The insurance company could do the same as if I left my keys in the car unattended, they could tell you to sit and spin.

looking around

BTW it was not I that had your post removed, I respect others opinions even that I may not agree. Actually you note I answered before it disappeared.

Contango

Photo of Pres. Obama with rifle has been photoshopped (and after they asked us not to):

http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjoh...

luvblues2

lol...

The Big Dog's back

With the recent rash of shootings at gun shows, these gun nuts should be fearing each other instead of new laws.

gunsmith4267

Do a little research folks. The last time "assault weapons" were banned was during the Clinton administration. It didn't work and,when it came up for re-newal it wasn't voted for. If a person is going to use a firearm for illegal purposes, is that person going to worry if posession of that firearm is illegal?
The website of the U.S. Justice Department has the statistics of crimes comitted with firearms, check there-rather than basing your decisions on what the liberal main-stream media is feeding you.

Unabasho

Fearing bad man, government, world government
Hiding behide a veil of weapons, one will not do
Confess your fear
Then fear only fear, and a nation of cowards

shucks

All these paranoid gun lovers are afraid of the US government.

It's the One World Government they should be afraid of. AND....all their precious little "fire sticks" won't save them from that government.

eriemom

I think that I will buy stock in Reynolds.

gilamonster

ABOUT TIME.

arnmcrmn

If you tree hugging liberals dont want to have a semi auto, then don't. I like mine and my handguns so leave me alone.

looking around

Were just saying we want you to be evaluated before saying you can have them, we have rights to you know....also we want you to be held accountable for their safe keeping and use. Also why do you think it is liberals against conservatives? They all own guns. It focuses on your paranoia.

beepx22

Then people need mental evaluations before they can buy a car, or alcohol, or a baseball bat, if you get caught drunk driving you should be charged with attempted murder, and locked away. If a kid is caught with a bat with out a baseball game permit, lock him up. Looking Around needs to feel safer guys, come and Donate to the Imaginary Gun Victims fund so we can make the world better for one paranoid reader.

looking around

You pick some very poor analogy's...It makes me a bit curious about your age? Not that it means a lot, just wondering about your life's experience.

beepx22

how are they poor analogies, all of the things i mention are responsible for more deaths per year than all rifles together. by the way I'm 34, I've been shooting since i was 7 or so. I can also say that I've been lucky to be armed once in my life.

looking around

Are they all premeditated events? or accidents?

beepx22

and you're worried about my age? how many people do you think are killed accidentally by a hammer? a hammer is close and personal

looking around

If you ever worked around construction trades, that is why hardhats are worn. Dropped hammers actually were the cause of many injuries and deaths. But my point was the hammer would not be the choice of weapons for someone planing a mass murder plot. Your really struggling here and some of your thought process is the very reason people are looking for improved regulation and control over guns. Don't get excited I'm not labeling you as a risk but I am saying your attitude towards responsible ownership could lead to your weapons falling in the wrong hands. Rather than take that responsibility, you tend to try to rational a reason to dodge that issue.

wiredmama222

do you even realize how silly that rationale is? That people BUYING guns need to have a background check that includes mental stability? That it is as important as anything else?

And yet you people say that the problem with the last people shooting things up was because these souls had mental problems? It makes no sense.

You say WE are all paranoid but what about all of you gun owners? Are you not MORE paranoid than all of us combined?

Your fear of being stripped of your guns boarders on more paranoia than is normal. Not once in any of the discussions have I heard has ANYONE with authority said anything about dismantling the second amendment, making anyone turn in their guns or anything even near that.

Give me a day, date and time and who in AUTHORITY said anything like that please?

beepx22

Most of "us" gun owners just wan't to be left alone. We exercise our constitution right. I don't have the right to tell you to own guns. It's also historically accurate to say that Registration 1. doesn't work (see canada most recently) and 2. only leads to Confiscation (again see Canada, or maybe Germany if you like) Feinstein has mentioned Forced buybacks manytimes, As did Cuomo in NY. A forced buyback is nothing less Confiscation with a smile. Dec 20th, 2012,

NYT: In the interview, Mr. Cuomo did not offer specifics about the measures he might propose, but, while discussing assault weapons, he said: “Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option.

Truth is Feinsteins AWB doesn't seem to have the traction to go anywhere, because a large number of Americans want nothing to do with Policies that are proven failures.

As for Background Checks, if they opened the NICS system to us private sellers, we'd use it, especially if selling to folks we don't know/gunshows/ect. I'm not running a check to sell a gun to a family member or close friend though

looking around

Their are many "rights" protected by the constitution that are regulated. The reasoning is that there are abuses that infringe on others well being. You have to understand that with any right comes privilege, in today's society, which is a direct result of ones acceptance of responsibility for exercising their "right". Unfortunately many have not done a very good job of this leading to a debate for further restrictions, rules, or laws. No one is trampling on the constitution but changes to regulation must be made coinciding with current technology and times.

shucks

I like my perimeter of Claymore mines, so leave me alone.

Contango

I seem to recall a scene of Korean shop owners holding rifles and protecting their property during the LA "Rodney King" riots.

The cops refused to enter the area.

Referring to their firearms they said: THIS is 911.

Yea, let's talk paranoid.

Contango

Universal background checks is a step in the right direction.

Let's begin with making Pres. BHO's school records, etc. public.

looking around

Is he applying for a permit?

wiredmama222

@contango.....when are you going to stop complaining about the election? Its over, man. The RP lost. Its time to move on to a new subject, ok? I really do like you. But this beef with Obama is becoming an obsession with you. Lets move on to another subject, ok???

Get onto what we are all talking about and stick with us, ok, man? Love ya.

Contango

@ wiredmama222:

Who is it that's in campaign mode over gun control?

I'm an independent, not a Repub.

KURTje

Form DD-214 the best. Forget all the rest.

wiredmama222

And what about those who do not have a discharge form?

looking around

BTW it was not I that removed your comment, I respect your right to an opinion whether I agree or not.

Sir_Nerdsalot

Gun reform needs to take on many forms and to be effective must both lessen certain restrictions and promote others. The idea that one size fits all solutions and only having two diametrically opposed is absolutely outrageous.

Solving any issue with Gun Control is a two step process.

1) Promote Conceal and Carry.
2) More restrictions on assault style weapons and magazine sizes.

It is a fact that people who have Conceal and Carry permits are, as a group, more law abiding, tend to pay their taxes, and overall safer in this country. The restriction on the assault weapons as well as the magazine sizes work towards removing them from going into the wrong hands.

This isn't an issue that can be solved with instant gratification (sadly -_-) and it seems this that many have forgotten that the best solutions are often painful to swallow and take time.

whocares

Hitler took a way the guns,look what the German people got.

Kimo

Re: "to get my CCW i had to undergo a background check, get printed, ect"

No drug test. Less than a week ago a CCW holder stole a spool of copper wire to sell and support his drug habit. Background checks are a bunch of spit when a junkie can carry a "legal" gun in the back of his belt.

I really don't need him or his kind sitting next to me in a restaurant.

How many of those "legal" ccw's belong to a junkie........
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