Perkins High School is 'serious health and safety hazard'

A third independent assessment of Perkins High School echoes the first two: To keep the building safe, modern and efficient, it's cheaper to rebuild, not renovate.
Alissa Widman Neese
Jan 24, 2013

 

The building, constructed in 1905, is a "serious health and safety hazard" in need of speedy replacement, according to a recent report from the Ohio Schools Facilities Commission.

Asbestos, flooding, inadequate fire alarms and a crawl space covered in raw sewage are just a few reasons the facilities commission is urging Perkins to construct a new high school as quickly as possible. 

"Essentially, the report says 'What are you waiting for? Build,'" superintendent Jim Gunner said. "I'm waiting for money, for the right financial alignment to make it happen."

A new building and its landscaping would likely cost $50 million, Gunner said. It would be used for both junior high and high school students.

For more on the report, pick up a copy of Thursday's Register and look at the PDF below.

 

Also, stop back at noon today for Between the Lines, a live public affairs program, with guest Jim Gunner. There will be a live chat room where viewers can ask questions about the building project and proposed levies. We will get to as many questions as we can during the duration of the show.

 

Comments

donutshopguy

Get ready for it. They are going to build a new building without public approval. The changing of outside millage to inside millage was the first step. Don't be surprised.

Remember the Ohio Schools Facility Commission only job is to recommend the building of new schools. Without new schools they would not have a job. Do you think they have a bias ?

The spin doctors are using the media to sell their voodoo magic funding. Don't believe you are not going to pay for this. A couple levies are coming up masked as as operating funds.

samiam

I agree. The board, and Gunner, don't care what the taxpayers say. They decided they are going to do what they want to do.

Bluto

What is best for the children isn't always what's best for the taxpayers .Catch my drift ? ; )))

Factitious

The Ohio Schools Facility Commission wreaks economic havoc wherever it get involved. You only get the "free" state money if you spend a $gazillion of your own and saddle your district with monumental debt. This system is just welfare for the building industry.

Tell it how it is.

What are your solutions?

Bluto

Maybe the students would be safer if we armed all the teachers instead of building a better school. ; )))

my oh my

Of course they will say this and go along with it so they can shaft twp taxpayers as is a ritual in the twp not only with the school system but with twp board of trustees as well....And the beat goes on....

nofufucat

Nothing like a little bait and switch. According to this report the building was built in 1905. Yes, a very small part was built then, the section that is north of the athletic area, gymnasium, and the theatre area. The rest of it was built in the late 1950's and early 1960's. Before the main section was built the high school students went to Sandusky High School. The old section was used as a kindergarten area in the 1960's after Fury was built. Previous to that, the OLD section had been a grade school. Before these powers that be lead people to unintentional false statements, maybe they should have a dialogue with folks that have lived in Perkins Township for the last 60+ years and get the real history of the school. I may be wrong with some of the history however I'm sure someone with a better recollection will clarify it.

goodtime1212

This man is a bully, He didnt get what he wanted the last time the Levy failed, so he went behind our backs, moved money around and now says they dont have the money to run the school. Now they are using scare tactics, isnt that what a bully dose to get there way? Like evryone knows, he dosnt even live in the Township.
Also if the school is SOOOOOOO unsafe why did they spend over $100,000.00 a few years ago to move the school board into the high school???
I do agree the old part should be torn down and new built, we DO NOT need this huge new school.
Oh and dont forget about the windmill great money maker idea.

anthras

You are right NOFUFUCAT and the SR makes no mention of the misstated facts. Maybe the SR is just ignorant of the facts or just going along with the lies. I went to Margaretta and their high school is about the same age and I haven't heard of any mention of replacing that school nor have I heard of any mention of replacing Sandusky High School built also in the 50's.

Living in Perkins Twp. I will have the pleasure of voting no on their levies.

Just Thinkin

Aren't some of the schools in Europe over 300 years old and still used,Come on I am so tired of this school board whining and crying, They are a bunch of small country bumkins wanting to run the system like a big city system. What they need to do is get rid of Gunner's post, and let the Board President take over, as Gunner only follow's what he's told by the Board anyway, give the Board President a little extra pay not much and save tons of money. also before anything else I would like to see an audit of the schools monies,

The New World Czar

Let's see...Perkins has what percent students from Sandusky City through open enrollment, and Sandusky High School's high school enrollment is only enough to fill half the school...and Perkins "needs" a new high school and NOT a new middle school.

Why not merge the two school systems? Oh that's right, one of the two superintendents (not to mention those within the administrative and teaching ranks) would be out of a job. Makes too much sense.

SamAdams

No matter WHAT the problem is, it seems the government answer is always to throw more money at it. Unfortunately, that money doesn't belong to the government. It's taken at gunpoint from the taxpayers. (Don't believe the "at gunpoint" part? Try not paying your taxes sometime...)

Maybe the building really does need to be replaced. Maybe it really is cheaper to build new than to renovate (that's frequently the case). But there are already some real doubters posting here, and that's due to one very simple reason: Officials have lied so much in the past, and have been so greedy for so long, that even on those rare occasions they DO tell the truth, it's pretty hard to believe!

underthebridge

We've got to get new BOE members in this school district.

laynee39

I agree 150% !
We need one's that have the taxpayers and students in their best interest. NOT the one's we currently have that are on a power trip!! They make me sick!

Bluto

In the real world you can't always have your cake and eat it to . I noticed you put taxpayers before students .

The Bizness

I am all for it...both Perkins and Sandusky need new high schools. Stuff built in the 1900's was built to last for 50 years...

The comment about 300 year old schools makes a good point, but those schools were built to last with thick stone walls and they were kept up well.

Bluto

Hmmm , Perkins township , The next cancer cluster ?

Bluto

Sounds like a lot on here are for renovating instead of the cheaper option of new construction . Must have some deep pockets .

reader

This is terrible news.

Let's build a new football stadium.

reader

Shame on those who ignored the problems....sewage seeping in the crawl space, etc.

You have to maintain your home with periodic maintenance and upgrades... school buildings are no different.

Bluto

I don't know , there are some people who don't seem to mind living in some NASTY conditions .

goodtime1212

Cant agree more Reader, Just like the football Field, they said they "HAD TO HAVE A NEW ONE,THE OLD ONE IS CONDEMED". Well they didnt get that way over night, not even in 5 years, its all about haveing to one up each other with tax payers money! One more time,How can he say he cares when he dosnt live here, he could give two S*@TS ABOUT Perkins, if he did he would have moved here. Its just a job he dose to get paid, thats it.

Perkins Resident

I urge everyone to vote no on the upcoming levies.

Bluto

I urge parents to buy your kids HAZMAT suits ; ))))

laynee39

I will DEFINATELY be voting NO on the levies!!!

Perkins2060

I will be voting NO!

The Bizness

Don't you want your kids to have the best facilities possible? I don't get how you can just ignore reports like this. I guess if you want your school system to continue to degrade you can vote no?

goodtime1212

Not Ignoreing the reports BIZNESS, just the spin they put on it,the main body of the school is fine, but they spin it tp make it sound like the kids are in huge danger. Again why did they move the school board there a few years ago if its sooooooooooo bad.

underthebridge

BINGO! They will say that the cost of operating the old building was too high so it was cost effective to move, but then why spend at least $200,00 renovating it when they plan to level the building. Wasteful. Also, when did they stop doing regular maintenance and where is that money going now?

underthebridge

I want to correct my statement above. Gunner clarified in the video that the Administrative Services Center will be maintained in some way when (not if) the new high school is built.

Good 2 B Me

$100,000,000... That is what Gunner wanted and got told a resounding NO. So, he is going to find a way to spend it without the Taxpayers saying Yes. Sounds like he had this one all mapped out in advance. Thinking that Perkins should call Shenanigans!

Perkins Resident

Shut Gunner and his cronies down by voting NO on both levies!

Good 2 B Me

Sadly, it seems as if Gunner has us over a barrel. If we vote no, he does it anyhow. If we vote yes, he gets what he wants. Either way, he gets what he wants.

wildman862

Im voting yes!!!

starryeyes83

Absolutely shell out millions of dollars for new construction and then sit back and wonder why you have water leaks 4 months after it opens like Clyde and Bellevue.

It's a heck of a "mistake" when they find out that certain things were not properly connected. Umm yeah.

Cowboy

Gunner should be a disk jockey! I've never seen someone spin things like he does. Gunner for congress, he'll fit right in!

Cowboy

God save us from Gunner!

Seriously

Same old crap/ administration going back to the watering hole! Surprisingly they haven't gotten it condemned yet like the stadium! A couple years back they asked for a levy to build the COLLEGE OF PERKINS. They paid for a report stating everything wrong with all of the schools HVAC, ADA, Electric, Safety Standards you name it, it was in there! Then they got the BIG OLE NO from the public! These schools are so bad according to their reports that it should be criminal to allow these kids to keep entering the buildings! I am a Perkins Alum and love everything about Perkins except for this certain group of people who in the last couple of years have changed/ tried to change everything. They will get there new school without the Taxpayers consent, that is how they work! It is an utter embarrassment to what is currently going on there! DISGUSTED!!!!!!!

Seriously

If GUNNER and gang agree to resign, and people, the right people get involved with planning than I would vote YES! Look at the planning of the stadium....what great architecture went into the press box! A stupid rectangle box that never accounted for an overhang or any other detail. Stop planning things around where the advertisement boards will go.......TERRIBLE!

Just Because

Getting a new school is nice. Bellevue has 2 BUT what the government doesn't tell you is when they give you money towards the new school is that you cannot take the contents from the old schools into the new schools. The only items Bellevue was allowed to take was some technology items such as smart boards. No deskss, tables, chairs...not even a stupid waste basket. The first several weeks of school they were using cardboard boxes as waste cans! That is the govt wasting the taxpayer money as usual. Bellevue had an auction to sell off the old items and got a fraction of what the new stuff cost I am sure!!! Govt wasting again!!!

Perkins2060

Just say no.

Erie Countian

I'm the parent of 2 Perkins graduates. I think the older sections of the PHS building are an embarrassment to the community, especially the ancient 1905 wing. I agree we need a new high school, but I feel Gunner has been a complete shyster during his time at Perkins. He lied about moving his family here and still doesn't reside here. He took in all these open enrollment students and he's played lots of underhanded games with our tax dollars. I don't know of anyone who really trusts this guy at all, and I'm afraid there will be no levy passed as long as he remains here. It's a shame for our current and future students, who really do need a newer and modernized high school facility.

Perkins Resident

Very well said Erie Countian!

Good 2 B Me

Well said. Now, do we know how to get him out? I would love to dig in and help remove him and his huge spending habits from our District.

perkinsparent

You are right, Erie Countian. Just about everyone I know in Perkins does not trust him, nor the board that keeps him on the payroll. I expect that, regardless of passage or not, real estate in Perkins Twp will be going up for sale at record pace. Either will be nickel and dimed to death or our children will not be given the proper education they deserve due to cut backs. I want to know who knew about the raw sewage and some of the other major issues logged in the report. Someone should be losing their job(s) over this!

9299

Played "lots of underhanded games with our tax dollars." Can you give some actual details or just hyperbole. If one of the "shyster" moves was the inside millage, it was openly discussed over the course of numerous public meetings-hardly sneaky even if you didn't agree with the move. Commenters on here regarding being against open enrollment must not vote for EHOVE levies (your tax dollars going there are supporting open enrollment students from three counties). Open enrollment has brought approx. $3,000,000 dollars to the school district which delayed the need for levies for a few years; open enrollment had to be done since no new levy money was voted for the district.

samiam

Yes, moving inside millage was legal and openly discussed at meetings, but that doesn't make it right in the eyes of many residents. This board and supt basically thumbed their noses at the "NO" given to them by voters and are determined to do what they want regardless of what the voters say.

jacwildcat

Even if the levy fails employees will be laid off and the building will be built anyway --why do you think the budget transfer took place -- the community will then end up taking the blame for laying off personal..

Perkins2060

So be it. Lay personnel off and do away with open enrollment. Sounds like a great plan to me!

FearistheMindKiller

Education these days is way overrated. We could save a lot of money if we just got rid of the schools or stripped them down to the bare essentials.

If the kids and parents of our community don't like it just send the rottens to the military and maybe come up with forced labor camps or something to keep them busy. Isn't there a lot of trash along the roadways that kids could be picking up instead of spending all that time in school with these outrageously costly teachers?

And buses, what the heck, so many people drive their kids to school already, couldn't we just eliminate those big wasteful boxes on wheels? The kids do not like buses anyhow.

Enough of this wasteful spending on education!

If you watch Family Guy, a really good show for the family (it's name says it all) you would have seen a good episode last night when Peter rallies the community to get rid of all local government. It was great. Onward ho Tea Party!

ladydye_5

You can't get rid of the big wasteful boxes on wheels....what would the football team ride on for games?

underthebridge

This is the best job he has done in explaining the need for facilities, but he does not inspire trust. Not sure what I will do.

Erie Countian

I stand by my comment, "9299". Gunner outright lied to the community right from the start about moving here...even had a photo of his wife and kids in the Perkins Local Schools newsletter stating his kids would be attending Perkins. Well, they never did. Also, just a week or so after he's hired here, Gunner goes to interview at Oregon Schools! That began the doubts about this fellow right away! I know that these plans of Gunner's have been openly discussed...but he and the Board are going to do whatever they want despite anyone's objections, and do it in a rather underhanded way. He has lost the trust of most of the Perkins community, and there is resentment that he has never moved here. I'm not saying I will not vote for the levy, but I'll have to hold my nose if I do! (And as for EHOVE, I always vote for their levies, as that's the only option for Perkins students wanting vocational education.)

PTBarnumWouldBeProud

I'd suggest you take a bit of time and watch the "between the lines" interview. Gunner goes into detail the circumstances surrounding his living in Oregon. There were extenuating circumstances that the board readily accepted. So, before you condemn the man, I encourage you to avail yourself of the facts.

donutshopguy

PT,

I've talked to Mr. Gunner numerous times over the last four years. I know the extenuating circumstances that you speak of. Why does he continue to lie to me in 2012 about moving to the community? It makes no sense. Maybe he can't keep track of the people he lies to or he's lied so much he can't tell it from the truth. It's a trust issue with me.

goodtime1212

I am with you ERIE COUNTIAN. The man has lost TOTAL trustworthyness. He can sit in an interview and say anything he wants, sounds just like the last presidential election, A bunch of BLA BLA BULL to sell himself to get what he wants, even though most of the communitys he works for but not live in ( just had to say that ) has said they dont want it.

goodtime1212

I am with you ERIE COUNTIAN. The man has lost TOTAL trustworthyness. He can sit in an interview and say anything he wants, sounds just like the last presidential election, A bunch of BLA BLA BULL to sell himself to get what he wants, even though most of the communitys he works for but not live in ( just had to say that ) has said they dont want it.

Wald

The high school isn't safe, huh? Thank God they spent all that money on a new football stadium, then. smh

underthebridge

The scaled down plan from $100 million to this new one which is about $10 million is giving me pause for consideration. I still don't think he inspires trust.

Perkins2060

Just say no.

fredinperkins

EHOVE is funded or not by the voters of Erie, Huron and Ottowa counties. I do not believe open enrollment enters the picture.
An "emergency" levy does not indicate a fiscal crisis. A $2.15 million emergency levy for 8 years (which I thought 5 was the max) GUARANTEES the school district that much money per year regardless if your property value again decreases by 25 percent in Perkins Township. The tax rate is adusted by the County Budget Commision to maintain that revenue and it is not subject to HB 920.
I have no problem with open enrollment, however, those properties real estate taxes outside the township will NOT increase to support the $2.15 million per year.
Perhaps it is about political-economic gentrification.

goodtime1212

HOW Bout this,tear down the oldest part of the school, add on what ever you need to the building on the south side going into the south parking lot, move the parking lot over in front of the new stadium. Just an idea.

Perkins2060

Not big enough for Gunners ego. He needs much more than that to put on his resume.

PerkinsResident77

Jim Gunner is an idiot. Making a arrogant comment like "I'm waiting for money", is not a way to win over the public about building a new school. Why doesn't the Sandusky Register do a story on how long Gunner has stalled on actually moving to Perkins Township. Living almost an hour away and happily collecting the gas money to drive back and forth goes along way in budgeting for a new school. Besides, not being a resident in the district of the school system you are managing shows everyone how serious you really are about committing to the education of this city's children.

Perkins2060

Wait a minute. We pay this guy mileage to drive to and from his home? Are you kidding me?

PerkinsResident77

I'm not sure if this is true or not, but there is a rumor that Gunner was given a certain amount of time to move to Perkins over a year ago by the board. Yet, still no move.

ladydye_5

I agree with many other posts...the school did NOT become so UNSAFE in a day or two. How long has this been a problem and why wasn't it take care of. And if it is so unhealthy and unsafe for children call the health department and have it condemned?

lifetimeresident

I watched the interview. I'm concerned about the safety of the school also. Like the rest of you, I just dont trust the guy!

Centauri

Doesn't Gunner live in Oregon, Ohio? He would pay no property taxes towards the school.
http://co.lucas.oh.us/index.aspx...

What about the school board members and those who want to vote in more taxes? Check out their property taxes. Did their property valuations and taxes go down? What about the others who want to vote in more taxes.
http://erie.iviewtaxmaps.com/

Perkins2060

Don't leave out all of the paid "consultants".

SamSlugDuff

I agree with Goodtime. The south end was built in the 1960's to accommodate any future additions (reason for low bldg... they could build on a second story). Improvement levies have been passed over the years why have things gotten so bad, i.e. sewage problem, outdated fire alarm system, exit signs, etc??? Or did all this just happen since the milage was transferred? Scare tactics once again. Does it mean the children will have to endure all these issues for three years should the levy pass waiting for their CASTLE to be built? How much will it cost the taxpayers to maintain a new school bldg.? More levies eh? We are voting NO !

God Of Thunder

All I can say is this school system used to be the best in the surrounding counties. Then you have Gunner come in and eventually screw every Perkins taxpayer over, and of course, Gunner isn't in this alone.. The elected board members went right along with this.

Bottom line.. You deceived all of us tax payers and moved millage around to how you see fit, even though we told you no on the previous levy. If there is raw sewage floating around in the crawl space and basement as is stated in the report, then that building would be condemned by the health dept, of course here I go giving them ideas..

If you are letting raw sewage build up without getting problems fixed, then you are just as big of a slum lord as lot of the normal slum lords in Erie County...Fix the problems that exist and don't p*** everybody off more than you already have..

Perkins2060

Just be sure to get out and vote no. Vote no even on the renewal.

FearistheMindKiller

Vote NO on all levies. Seriously, is there any government agency that doesn't lie? Even if it's a semi-reputable government body or agency if one person lies about anything then vote no. Shut them down!

Its time for taxpayers to rise up and take back their God given rights to keep their hard earned dollars!

Vote no on all levies and for government funding, especially for education, police, libraries, road crews and fire. It's all wasteful, and certainly not all the people that work in said departments are honest, no way are they all honest.

As I already stated, education is overrated. There are plenty of jobs to be had regardless if you've gone to school.

PerkinsResident77

SOMEONE has to get an education so they can get a job that helps pay for your government checks

Speakezy

So you have a leaky sewer pipe and you need a new building. Makes perfect sense to me! By your own admission Perkins Schools fails to properly maintain their facilities and allowed them to become unsafe. What's next... the tires on the busses are getting bald so we better get all new busses too!!! LMAO at you fools!

Rabbi

Although Perkins Schools officials have done nothing illegal, what they have done gives the impression of impropriety and arrogance to the community. District officials often complain that the average person doesn't understand how "all of this works" and they would be right.

Perkins Schools officials would do well to recognize the previously mentioned phenomenon, and adapt to it. If they did so, the levies would likely pass.
These are very intelligent people who fail to recognize that what they are doing has a debilitating effect on voter confidence.

donutshopguy

The school will have a couple levies on the June ballot. The township will have a couple levies on the ballot. The Metro Parks and the Health Department are always asking for new funds.

The golden goose (taxpayer) is finally seeing this trend. The insatiable thirst by government entities for more money.

Wake up. Most people are paying almost 50% of their income now in some type of tax. Federal, state, county, city,sales ,gas, ect., ect.

wiredmama222

do you live in Perkins or Sandusky? I thought you lived in Sandusky?

FearistheMindKiller

Hey PerkinsRez77,
I've got a job, and it's in the free market. Thanks for asking though before you took the opportunity to be a rude jack**s.

Could you please state for the record why anybody has to be forced to get an "education"?

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were both college dropouts, proof that education, at least at the higher level, is not necessary. One has to wonder about how serious you people really are about voting down levies. Either do it right or don't do it at all. Many in this story's comment thread are in favor of preventing any education levies from passing, take it just one step further, vote NO on all levies!

Stop government spending! End regulation! End government intrusions into our lives. Don't do this half-a**ed like the gov't would, do it right!

donutshopguy

Fear,

I believe education is the most productive way to improve one's self. But, with that said, I don't believe bricks and mortar are that influential.

I am 100% behind stopping government spending, ending most government regulations and ending government intrusion in our lives.

The General

.....Chicks dig my "mooseknuckle"

Seriously

I drove by today and teachers students and administration were filing in to this condemned school. A school with a crawl space reportedly covered in fecal matter. If this school is so bad, and conditions warrant a new school immediately why are the people in trusted with the safety of our children, teachers, administration, and anyone else who believes that these schools are this bad allowing the students enter the building. Would this not be considered a criminal act?

Seriously

Has anyone been fired over the fecal matter? Obviously someone new about this and did nothing! The maintenance dept, the head of the dept or the person in charge of the head of the head of the department? These are the issues that need addressed immediately. These issues of neglect, issues that will not be fixed with a new school!

Wald

Love the priorities at Perkins: brand new football stadium first, then worry about the school. Nice.

kelly2013

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Speakezy

Just close the bathrooms so the flow of poop stops! At least keep Gunner out of the building so it doesn't get any deeper!!!

Perkins2060

These levies will both go down in flames.

Just Saying

Has anyone else noticed the High School Office's atmosphere has deteriorated with Mr. Gasteier's removal and staff changes? It used to be a polite, friendly, helpful place. - No More.

Cowboy

Gunner needs to stop plugging up the toilets!

JohnDorian12

BUT, They have a GREAT football stadium, I guess we can all see where the priorities of the School Board stand......what a joke!

underthebridge

With the extremely scaled down plan (from $100 million to $10 million), I'm seeing the benefit of a new high school. I just don't think this leader is the person to do it.

PTBarnumWouldBeProud

But wait.....isn't he (and the board) the folks that developed the "scaled down" plan?

underthebridge

I'll give them some credit for scaling down the plan in response to the community saying no to the last levy and the funding plan. But frankly, the fact that they even suggested a $100 million dollar facility for this community in these economic times tells me how out of touch they are. Maybe some people are pleased that they responded to the community's wishes, but it troubles me that they missed the mark the first time around by $90 million. That isn't a small miscalculation. That represents a significant divide. These are the very kind of things that don't inspire trust and confidence.

Tell it how it is.

Why do people hate Perkins and Dr. Gunner if 550 students elect to attend there from outside the district and find their own way to get there? Why are people upset that the district seeks ways to bring in money from the outside with open enrollment? Why do most superintendents last only 3-4 years at a district? I don't think people on here will be happy unless the school is run into the ground first. If the superintendent wanted the easy way to solve this he would not want to put up a new building and would just live out the remainder of his days signing his name without dealing with the old depleted buildings.
VOTE YES to replace this high school that is past its prime or
VOTE NO if you have a bone to pick with the superintendent. Because that will quickly solve the district's problems.

wiredmama222

I have to agree with TIHIS. Everything this person is saying is absolutely right. You don't vote yes or no because of the person running things. You vote according to what you think needs to be done for the kids and the school district. It is just that simple. The person running things is 'after the fact'. This isn't a popularity contest, its about the future of the children who go to the school, about the district in which your children are educated.

You people in Perkins are lucky. You have a great district, a bunch of nice kids for the majority and an affluent community on which to draw. Your tax base is relatively high and you really don't have too much trouble out there. All of this is positive. To read some of what you write, you would think that it is bad. What you write is mostly complaints about one person, not about the community itself.

How unfortunte it would be to let ONE person influence or stop something as great as a new school for kids that really need it. Especially in a community where it can be afforded, where it can be appreciated and where it is so necessary.

Vote for it, let it happen. Don't let one person stop that just because you don't happen to like that person very much.

The kids are worth far more than that. Just my humble opinion.

goodtime1212

The voter's told this school board NO a few years ago about paying a higher tax for a new school. The board basicly Said, screw what the voters want, we will force them to have to vote FOR WHAT WE WANT, Thats what this is about. They went and moved money around out of an operatiing budget, so now they can say we dont have anough money operate. There is no trust for them. A few years ago voters were told that if they didnt vote yes for the levy there will be no way the board would EVER be able to build a new school with out the state money that was availible at that time, well voters said NO. Again the BOARD SAID SCREW THE VOTERS WE WANT A NEW SHCOOL NO MATTER WHAT. MR Gunner is the head of the board, Hell he gets milage to drive here since he dose not live in the TWP. to pay for the school he wants US to pay for. This is deeper then just not liking someone.

wiredmama222

Thank you for the feedback and information. I do understand what you are saying....to a point. No one likes to have lies told to them. Funny how there are funds for what some want and not what others want. That happens a great deal.

I read further down and your board, since 2000 has had 4 different supers, if I read correctly? That is a lot of different people leading. No wonder people aren't up to snuff on what is happening.

But I will stand by what I said on your community and add one more thing, you tax base is broad out there. You have a great deal of tax base from waterparks, restaurants and the mall, do you not? That should help some, plus the old KBI. It isn't as if you are penniless.

I just hope that you can all see you could afford some things you may not think you can.

I have no vested interest out there as yet, unless we move there. If we do, I will vote YES for a school levy. Without hesitation. I have no qualms about it. The kids need a new school and I just feel it is the right thing to do. My kids are grown and my grandkids all go to Margaretta. But I would support the Perkins kids for the need of it and not stand in the way of Perkins kids getting what they needed. Not now and not ever. Even on a fixed income like we will be. That isn't in my nature or my husband's nature to be that selfish. Not saying any of you are.

underthebridge

For the record, it is not about popularity. I've said this before, Gunner and the current BOE have a history of not executing plans well. That is why I do not support them spearheading this plan.

wiredmama222

Who would you consider to spearhead he plan? Would you consider a group of parents to lead? Or perhaps a combined BOE/Parents group?

Perkins2060

VOTE NO ON BOTH LEVIES! SAY NO TO THE RENEWAL!

reader

Times have changed. Many organizations have accepted and embraced change to survive and thrive.

We cannot afford the many fiefdoms of school districts any longer.

The time is now for a serious, citizen managed examination of the question of district consolidation.

wiredmama222

Are you talking about a possible consideration of combining a school district with Sandusky? If that is the case, why not go a step further and consider doing an entire consolidation of the entire communities?

We have no permanent chief of police....yours is pretty good. Combine forces. You have good perkins twp trustees....take our best three commissioners (or better yet ELECT THREE commissioner) and add them to your trustees, add our fire department to yours, your city department to yours. (you can let us in how you do such a great job getting your snow plowers out there so fast), etc. and just take off with it. How sweet is that.

There is ONE poster on here who thinks Sandusky is heading for broke city anyway and there are several people in town who want to fire our Ms Ard, so that would please them.

Combine the incomes and away we go.....perfect meshing.

Our high school becomes the new junior high, we build a new high school and HOME FREE.

Besides, you have that new city building...we don't. They could add on before it gets overcrowed and they could add on the county jail. PERFECT

Rename the place through a contest......WONDERFUL.

samantha

Many posters are accusing the board and Gunner as being rogue. If my memory serves, there was a survey after the levy failure that revealed that the community was supportive of a new high school but not an entire campus. Thus, the path they are now on. It’s obvious that the need is there. Are they supposed to just pretend these problems away? You cannot keep putting Band-Aids on open wounds. At some point you need replacement.

And how is it that PC, Bellevue, Norwalk, Clyde, South Central, and Western Reserve can all support their new building initiatives but Perkins is attacked so viciously? It just doesn’t make sense.

9299

You raise good points. Also, don't forget New London a few years back with its new school. No business is being conducted "in secret". Anyone who takes the time to attend an open, public meeting every month would know that. Perkins Township hasn't passed a school levy for new tax money since 2000. In the meantime, EHOVE levies, senior citizen levies, metro parks levies, fire dept. levies, health dept. levies and others have all passed new, renewals and/or replacements, so I have trouble buying the economic argument. Don't allow new money, the district does what it must do and brings in millions of dollars from open enrollment, and the same people criticize that move even though it has put off the need for a levy for several years.

There are reasons why people want to send kids to Perkins. I hardly think that would happen if "rogue" superintendents are doing all they can to be deceitful and not keeping what is best for students in mind.

As for personalities in charge. There have been at least four superintendents since 2000-some better than others. I guess all of them have failed the test of character and honesty (although, I'm not sure what the metrics are).

iamrevolutionary

I will tell you that in the case of South Central, the voters were outright lied to. Not to mention, they got 1/2 of what the other districts got for the $$. And, they have had nothing but problems with leaks in the roof, flooding parking lot, etc... I don't blame Perkins voters for being VERY skeptical about this plan. I would look in every dark corner....

iamrevolutionary

Not only that, but they built the school too Small for future enrollment! They were out of room before they even had the school finished!

goodtime1212

If anyone knows anyone in Clyde, we have heard that they are having a lot of trouble with money since they built there new school.

goodtime1212

I think Building a football field for a million pluse dollers knowing the school needed work ( and they knew ) is being rogue. IF your house leaked crap in the basement, I bet you would fix it before you bought a new car.

hometownboy

I have now read the full report on this. I have to agree with Ladydye. Most of these have been problematical and were left to fester over time. They now have accumulated into a huge ball and I think are being used to Shanghai us voters. Interestingly, some of this stuff written up goes far back into the days of Superintendents past... and I mean wayyyyyy past. So, where was that money going to all these years? Obviously NOT for repairs as these issues still exist and are huge.

Let's go back into time a little and I'll tell you of some of the issues they had that I remember....Let's see...Roofs leaking, broken windows, broken tiles, a faulty and dangerous electrical system, safety rails missing or in need of repair, an auxiliary gym with paint issues, a pool that sometimes emptied out, doors that opened outwards, a fire alarm system that wasn't adequate...OK get the picture? Anyone out there 5, 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago remember any of this stuff? Even worse, why is the High School still plagued by these things? Hey alumni, check out the photos attached to that report because I recognized some of these issues written up in the report and ironically in the same spot for that matter!

Oh and wait...Let's not forget the Asbestos ceilings that were, at one point, painted in the summer by upper HS kids back in the day (This was done long after they linked Asbestos to cancer). I often wondered if any of those young men ever developed any issues later in life. I still remember them wearing those useless face masks that don't protect anything.

How about the summer when they didn't mow the lawns around the district and that was to make a point to us voters?! The grass only got done only because of a letter that was written to the editor of the Register.

Now the reason I bring all this up is to address those who feel that they shouldn't blame the board or Gunner. Consider how long the current board has been active and how long Gunner has been in power. Now ask yourself- If they were TRULY concerned about safety, then why wait until NOW to talk about how unsafe the school is (Particularly the feces lined crawl space)? If there ever was a TRUE concern, then this, now a laundry list, would have been discussed and addressed way before now and taken care of when each of them first occurred.

So it's a, "no," vote from me too. No apologies...just a vote...and if I could vote, "no confidence," I would do that too!

samantha

I see your points but I look at it differently. We have a board and super, unlike those of the past, that ARE looking long term. Too long Perkins has put quick fixes on major problems. This board finally said enough is enough. It ends here.

Many have used the football stadium as a negative example. I disagree. It was a great plan. The bleachers were a hazard- two kids and one adult fell through in the final season. In a cost saving approach in the 80’s the base of the track was cheaply installed. The result, a failing track with soft spots. They patched; patched; patched; and patched. But because someone wanted to save $20,000 twenty years ago, the entire track needed to be replaced. The field was a glorified cow pasture in need of major repair.

A private group of motivated individuals approached the school. Said they wanted a first class stadium and would raise half the money. Mission accomplished. We should celebrate a great accomplishment of a public/private partnership, but ,oh no, people just want to hate.

HTB, this is the first time you’re hearing of the cast iron pipes and sewage? Pay attention. It was part of the levy campaign two years ago and in a news letter a year and a half ago.

Hang in there BOE and Gunner. You’re doing the right thing. This blog does not represent everyone. In addition, I think the state contribution is new. Well done. Somehow you were able to move us from the bottom of that list to the top!

Perkins2060

No

9299

What is the scenario that would cause you to vote yes or say something nice about the school district? What are your requirements to cast a positive vote? I am assuming that when you were in school, the local community voted for at least one levy to allow you and your fellow students to enjoy a decent education. If you are old enough to have attended Perkins 40-50 years ago, then you did so in a building that was constructed by the community by people who had long since graduated but saw a need regarding facilities.

hometownboy

Samantha,

OK, the pipes were apart of levy campaign two years ago. However, look at the pictures in that report. They're dated December of 2012. If you're paying attention that was pretty much last month. So, in essence, they let this go for two years? This is why I'm gobsmacked by a school waiting two years and really still not attempting to clean that up. Again, if the board and Gunner were TRULY concerned with safety then heaven and earth would have been moved to at least clean that up or make an attempt to do so. If you're paying attention, you'd know that can be a health hazard.

There's no hate from me...just a NO vote for making NO attempt to clean that up but rather using it for PR purposes! Yes God Bless the BOE and Gunner! Well done, for making it so much easier to vote NO!

Seriously

READ THE REPORT.......There is nothing structurally wrong with the facility. All problems sited are minor and cosmetic, if you know anything about construction! I can't believe these things haven't been taken care of already. Stop creating new debt in a belief that a new building will make kids smarter. Stop drinking the Cool Aid and wake up. Teachers educate children! They can do it online now! You are investing in a future that has already changed to put up a brand building with new paint, shrubs, and concrete walks all of which have nothing to do with educating our children! VOTE NO not because of Gunner but because nothing has changed. The old building is in such bad shape because of pure neglect! Neglect the taxpayers paid for! The current management can't even take care of an old school and you people want to hand them keys to a new one? WAKE UP.....

donutshopguy

Mortar and bricks have never made kids smarter.

Tell it how it is.

What has then you Educational Genius. I would guess that you have all the answers. Donut guy for BOE. He has all of the answers. Where are your solutions. Attend a board meeting and give some feedback. Apply for Superintendent and show all of us how to do it instead of cooperating on this anonymous blog about it.

Seriously

SITUATION: When your kid turns 16 do you A. go out and buy them a Cadillac, Hummer, or maybe even a brand new mustang, or do you B. look for something used, or do you C. share your vehicle with them?
REMEMBER: The car will only be used to transport the kid from one spot to another, and for this example all cars shall have the same safety standards. If they don't you can easily have a mechanic that everyone pays for install them.

If you chose A. Then vote yes for a levy!

IF you chose B or C then you really need to start questioning the motives of the people managing your school and vote NO until that management is changed!

MP

Donut Shop... yeah Bricks and Mortar do not teach kids. No argument there. But at some point, they do interfere. I think we are at that point. Read below...

Seriously... yeah, your right read the report. I think the point that Gunner and board are making is that the expense of doing all of these repairs is cost prohibited. You might as well build new. You seem to be good at construction. Help me out. How much will this stuff cost?
add more bathrooms
add exhaust to existing bathrooms
I see cracks all over the building (is that not structural? surely that is not cosmetic)
dig up all cast iron pipes and replace
replace hot water heating system throughout the school
remove ALL asbestos ($$$$$$)
add ventilation throughout entire school (ever been on airplane and wonder why you got sick?)
upgrade ALL electrical systems
upgrade all emergency systems
upgrade kitchen systems
widen hallways
change door systems
basement walls cracking
Once you add those up, don't forget to add in the rest. Once you do a remodel of this magnitude EVERYTHING has to come up to current code. Everything has to ADA compliant... every door, every ramp, every hallway, every parking lot. Air conditioning must be added by the new standards. how do you do that to an existing building? Electrical; plumbing, etc.

Fact, building additions in 1905, 1934, 1950, 1958, 1965, and 1978. Unlike buildings in Europe, these buildings were built with no master plan by the lowest bidder at the time. They were NOT built to last. It has been 34 years since the last major remodel. It has outlived its life. Throwing more money at the problem IS A WASTE!

Thank you Gunner and BOE for have the guts to stand up and take your punches. You are doing the right thing!

donutshopguy

MP,

So with your assumption that these building additions weren't made to last we should assume the same with this 50 million dollar brick and mortar dream? Now who is throwing away money?

Tell it how it is.

donut guy, It is a better solution to replace than fix here. If your 100K home needed 85 K in repairs would you do it or just start from scratch and bring up everything to better levels? That is what the private sector would do as well. What do you want to have happen? Where are you going.

eriemom

No, according to donut guys past posts we should just close all of the schools. He believes that they are obsolete.

Now there is an answer. That adds to the adult conversation.

goodtime1212

Pretty sure they put in new boilers in the high school in the last few years, and upgraded the middel schools fire alarm system, but they are not saying anything about that. I would like to see a list of just what there has been repaired in the last 5 years. There is also in the high school one huge room dedicated to ONE child with there OWN staff paid for buy a VARY wealthy famly. Is that best use of space in a tax payer building? Not to mention the problems. ONE MORE TIME IF the school is SOOO bad then why did they spend over a #100,000.00 to move the B.O.E. into it?

Wald

I am voting NO to both levies because of the fact that Gunner deceptively moved around taxpayer funds in order to get his own way after the last levy was defeated. Now the funds that he pilfered are gone and he wants us to pay for his arrogance. NO and NO again!

9299

Not deceptive, even though you may not agree with it. All of the discussion regarding this move was done in the open at public meetings. Moving the inside millage advanced needing additional money by one year. Would you vote for an operating levy in another year?

Wald

They said they were doing it; they didn't discuss it. There's a difference. A discussion implies that if people would have been against it, they wouldn't have done it. They were going to move the millage come hell or high water.

Seriously

"MP"..... SMH ...pg.1 "Serious Health and Safety Hazards"
Damaged asbestos to ceilings in 1958 building. Tear out and replace w/ drop ceiling...I can get you a quote! Raw sewage in crawl space! That's a shop vac some gloves and termination of whichever employee didn't clean it up in first place. I provide the shop vac and gloves you do the termination.! Moderate water intrusion in Boiler Room. Replace the effing window and seal it correctly! Around 2 k there! I can keep going it is really that simple!

As for the brick which you believe to be structural mostly the East wall yeah tear it off and add a new addition to the school there is a crap ton of land to the east off of this "structural wall" great place to add new things like restrooms classrooms, new auxillary gym, pool extension, new wing! That way we have a place to move to when we renovate the older parts! Cracks happen everywhere in every type of building. I bet you have cracks in your house! you should have a report done and then buy a new one! Point is your right things need fixin some things need to be new but you don't just throw away everything that is just stupidity especially at the cost of new construction with all the new requirements and standards which are mostly grandfathered in in the old buildings. If it were so bad shouldn't everyone be sick......shouldn't we be prosecuted for allowing children into an unsafe building???

Seriously

I believe something needs to be done! Said this the last time, last report when they got voted down on their university solution! They took there ball and went home. Then built a stadium. While the schools got worse. They have no other solution except for the all new one! Which is not cost effective. LETS SEE THE MATH.....There is plenty of room to expand to add. While keeping the old! I would hate to hear how you treat your grandparents! SO SAD!

hometownboy

That was my whole point. Perhaps it didn't come across. I got a little ticked because if safety and health were TRULY the concern then they wouldn't have sat and waited on any of this. If they would have attempted to do something about the situation as opposed to just coming back to us for more money and also using it as a PR media ploy it would a bit of a different story.

Perkins2060

No way either levy passes.

9299

We get it. You aren't going to vote for any levy, any time, no how, not in your or anybody else's lifetime, no way. And you certainly haven't had any constructive input, so how about you just assume we all know what you think and stop posting the same thing every two hours.

Perkins2060

NO!

9299

YES! Vote YES!

Perkins Resident

Neither of the levies has a chance.

Dutigas

Does anyone know why the Health Department hasen't been notified about Raw Sewage in the School?
Sounds like another Gunner's scare tactics.
I think Gunner should be replaced by a fifth grander.

samantha

They don't ignore the sewage-they make tough calls. Close school. Close class rooms. Close restrooms. They pump out the sewage. They patch the break. Yet it doesn't change the long term answer. The repair will cost $3-5M, involve a school shut down, and having to bring everything up to current code. Add to that all the other repairs... Why put good money after bad? It just stupid to continue to dump money into these buildings

eriemom

I owed an old farm house with cast iron plumbing many years ago. It failed. I had to replace the plumbing in the entire house. Cast Iron sort of rots from the inside. Maybe a plumber, someone with some expertise, could educate those whom believe that a patch n' vac is what is needed.

Perkins2060

How much did you owe it?

Perkins Resident

Gunner and the board wouldn't have replaced the pipes. They would have built a new house. ( If they were using taxpayers money and not their own)

Common Sense

some of these no votes are the same people who buy "expensive toys" for their children, but don't want to fork out one red penny to have their children educated in a safe environment. What a pity!

Peachy Keen

I've decided I will not vote no on the levy to SPITE Gunner and the school board, but will vote yes DESPITE them. We honestly DO need a new high school facility, no matter how underhanded the tactics being used by the superintendant and school board. PHS was old, outdated and needed a lot of work when my own kids graduated from there over a decade ago! So, I'll simply save my NO votes for when the current school board members come up for re-election!! We also need a superintendant who lives in and is invested in our community.